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bdrasin says

Jesus H Christ, the typical illegal immigrant isn't a drug dealer or sex-slave dealer, s/he's the in the fields picking your food, manicuring a garden, sweating in a kitchen, etc

illegal immigrants be it from Mexico or Asia have loans (extortion) they must pay back..they have to pay it back by smuggling and sex trade. the gangs are reaping billions.. all the while many sit here sit idle.

Anyway... seems by their own laws.. they are.

Mexico’s illegals laws tougher than Arizona’s

Mexican President Felipe Calderon denounced as “racial discrimination” an Arizona law giving state and local police the authority to arrest suspected illegal immigrants and vowed to use all means at his disposal to defend Mexican nationals against a law he called a “violation of human rights.”

But the legislation, signed April 23 by Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer, is similar to Reglamento de la Ley General de Poblacion — the General Law on Population enacted in Mexico in April 2000, which mandates that federal, local and municipal police cooperate with federal immigration authorities in that country in the arrests of illegal immigrants.

Under the Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony, punishable by up to two years in prison. Immigrants who are deported and attempt to re-enter can be imprisoned for 10 years. Visa violators can be sentenced to six-year terms. Mexicans who help illegal immigrants are considered criminals.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/3/mexicos-illegals-laws-tougher-than-arizonas/#ixzz2gvBtOsiO
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as an aside, she provides the best cleavage shots on fox...

thomaswong.1986 says

Kimberly Guilfoyle CNN / ABC

Well we know for sure he wasn't teaching 13th grade...

egads101 says

thomaswong.1986 says

as Jon Stewart ever ever studied Finance, Economic, Business, Law, International Commerce or Engineer topic..

The real question, is outside of irritating your professors and other students in your class, what did you do in college?

You're going to get all of these people that somehow miraculously manage to live in San Francisco in spite of it being the most expensive city in Ameirca to live in. To chime in, and give you philosophical and political commentary on how great Obamacare is.
But not one dumb sonofabitch in Washington or SF has answered the fucking question.

"Where the HELL am I supposed to get $3,000 more a year to pay for this 'bronze' health insurance plan!?!??? And I DO NOT EVEN WANT INSURANCE to begin with!!

Call it Crazy says

So tell me which fast food joint you work at, and I'll swing by a pay you a
visit!!

What are you, 10 years old?

I call you out as what I consider to be a real shit for brains, and you post some stupid caricature type of junk.

That's it, that's the best that your pea brain could conjure up?

CaptainShuddup says

You're going to get all of these people that somehow miraculously manage to live in San Francisco in spite of it being the most expensive city in Ameirca to live in. To chime in, and give you philosophical and political commentary on how great Obamacare is.

But not one dumb sonofabitch in Washington or SF has answered the fucking question.

"Where the HELL am I supposed to get $3,000 more a year to pay for this 'bronze' health insurance plan!?!??? And I DO NOT EVEN WANT INSURANCE to begin with!!

Hang on a minute, you are using an example of someone who wants you to pay for their medical treatment if something happens to them. Isn't that the sort of thing you piss and moan about all the time?

Bigsby says

Hang on a minute, you are using an example of someone who wants you to pay for their medical treatment if something happens to them. Isn't that the sort of thing you piss and moan about all the time?

I sugest you go back and do some reading up on TPB, Done, TOT and Captain Shuddup. I am not the racist republican you are looking for.

I want a full blown socialist healthcare system. That is in no way shape or form, has any ties with Keynesian economics and unregulated Capitalism.

CaptainShuddup says

Bigsby says

Hang on a minute, you are using an example of someone who wants you to pay for their medical treatment if something happens to them. Isn't that the sort of thing you piss and moan about all the time?

I sugest you go back and do some reading up on TPB, Done, TOT and Captain Shuddup. I am not the racist republican you are looking for.

I want a full blown socialist healthcare system. That is in no way shape or form, has any ties with Keynesian economics and unregulated Capitalism.

You do? My apologies. Mind, I still don't see why you are so hostile to this new system considering what you had that went before. You seem to be placing complete blame for the situation on Obama, but the new healthcare laws you've ended up with were very much a forced compromise, were they not? At least they expand coverage and protect those with pre-existing conditions, two things that were shockingly lacking beforehand.

If the government defaults it will be because the wealthy elite who control the government want it to default. There is no other way for it to happen. So ask yourself: would I want a government default if I owned a lot of dollars and US property? Would I want a default if I only owned property, and maybe some Euros? What would that do for me?
Let me speculate: interest rates for T bills would rise, dollar value would plummet, the US would have to take on even more debt to remain solvent, the budget would be even more unsolvable. So if dollars got cut in half, property values (since they are international in hot cities) would rise, perhaps even by double. Since the labor market here is still very depressed, and would get worse, employers would decline to give cost of living raises that match or even approach the new radical inflation. So the wealthy owners could pay workers much less and get the same work from them.
Now that I think about it, Paul, you may be right. The US may just default.

Im all for it!

catastrophic collapse is really the only hope I have for a better future.

Sincerely,

The Young People

whose making shit up? that's the best thing the young people have going at this point.

Quigley says

Let me speculate: interest rates for T bills would rise, dollar value would plummet, the US would have to take on even more debt to remain solvent, the budget would be even more unsolvable.

no Im afraid it would be far worse than this.

if the dollar collapsed, how will Americans buy anything? what will they eat? most of our produce comes from Mexico. How will we pay soldiers and veterans? do you really want to see what happens when you cut off veteran benefits? They are already a few steps away from forming militia groups, if they're not already there.

We Dont Make Anything Here Anymore, we just have a bunch of fucking buffoons from Asia helping corporations cheat on their taxes and get out of jail. We also have Realtors, and Venture Capitalists. Hmm what else? we've got the Service Economy(tm), I suppose those people could serve each other cheeseburgers.

But wait, we can just BORROW our way to prosperity, right? it's really that easy. Boomerology dictates it's entire possible to borrow indefinitely because money is borrowed into existence! QED! You stupid kids couldn't think your way out of a god damn sudoku puzzle! haha Generation X-Y-Z whatever the fuck, Boomers are the best generation because we discovered how to borrow money through the government to buy cheeseburgers.

kind of funny to watch the people on here imagine dollar collapse scenarios that they will watch from their patio while sipping scotch and listening to Miley Cyrus.

guess what idiots: you get enough people angry, they're going to take political action. In this wonderful democracy of ours, anything is possible- there is nothing cut in stone that says this or that economic principle is sacred.

It's already there. All the Occupy kids just call up their friends and say 'ok this time lets get serious'. Do you think for a moment that the politicians will bat an eye at this? They're just like you, they'll do anything to keep their jobs.

I don't think they will default. Might be a good time to be defensive and get money out of the stock market though.

@Mershedperturders
I agree that it would be very bad for the regular American people. But it may help consolidate power for the corporations and wealthy elite. When you already own everything real, letting dollars inflate is no big deal. Your shit just raises in value, your real debt plummets, and you make way more selling the same hit as you did before! It's a great deal for owners, a bum deal for debt holders (think pension funds) a bad deal for people living on fixed incomes (let's put granny back to work!), and a bad deal for labor. Yah we don't make much here anymore and that does need to change. How it will change is this: cut the dollar in half, keep wages stagnant, and BOOM! Wages are competitive again with the Chinese! At least when you figure in shipping costs and tax breaks for moving production back. Manufacturing can return, and there will be plenty of takers. Do you really think they will double welfare money? Hell no! Welfare recipients can stay on it and slowly starve or they can go to work in a sweat shop for slave wages and subsist on whatever the corporation bean counters decide is necessary to sustain their work force!
T'will be awesome sauce for the owners! Back to the good old days of 1890!

I think Quigley nailed it. To predict what will happen, you need to look at how the rich and the corporations will fare. If the default will hurt them, then it won't happen. If it will benefit them, then it will.

I don’t know but this sounds insane. We are now going to pay (in the future) the workers for work they are not doing and will not have done. But we could just pay them now and get them to do the work they are not doing but the congressional geniuses have now decided for said work the Gov. workers have not done that we are, at some point (in the future) going to pay them for not doing. Gentlemen of the circular firing squad please load and aim your weapons.

the only people who would lose under some kind of neo-Marxist Occupy like politics are Boomers who have built their lives around moving into administrative/clerical/legal positions and acquiring small property holdings. Your classic Petty Bourgeois mentality.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/r38xdzJSbNI

Boomernomics fails to model our economic activity in any remotely recognizable sense. They see everything in terms of JOBS, CAPITAL, INDUSTRY. All largely outdated models. The 'intellectual property factory' is an UTTER JOKE. Just read about any writings on open source.

wave9x says

I think Quigley nailed it. To predict what will happen, you need to look at how the rich and the corporations will fare. If the default will hurt them, then it won't happen. If it will benefit them, then it will.

you must be a Boomer. Only a boomer could harbor this cynical inevitability of the status quo.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/cbN1NaQ7yQI

sbh says

Nothing frustrates a Republican more than when the President acts like a Republican and gives him a taste of his own medicine.

So what you're saying is, since the public blames the Teapublicans, they therefore blame Obama.

Ballo,

I think the first step for the Millenials is they need to become aware of labor politics. Start to get firmer on the effects of work visas and illegal aliens. This first and foremost puts them back to work and in a negotiation position.

Once that is accomplished, then they can start working on other issues like environmentalism, etc. Boomers will continue to promote the open labor policy but will not do so openly.

the labor problem should really be job one for the millenials and they are being fooled into thinking that Racism, Gender Sex Issues are the most important- these are just diversionary tactics.

sbh says

Hey Mershed,

What do you do for work in the real world? Just askin'.

plastic surgeon

Call it Crazy says

Yep, totally false....

Go take a little view of other comments here:

https://www.facebook.com/Healthcare.gov

I'm sure all those other unhappy posters are all "fake" and just made up by the red team, right??

So if ACA is such a disaster, wouldn't Republicans be giddy not just with shutting down the government, but cleaning up at the polls in 2014 with a failed health care initiative that they can tie like an albatross around Dems necks?

I think they are worried it might work.

And BTW, it originated out of the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/27/conservative-origins-of-obamacare/?_r=0

thomaswong.1986 says

Charles Krauthammer - panelist on PBS Inside Washington

The Walking Dead 2010-2013

sbh says

MershedPerturders says

sbh says

Hey Mershed,

What do you do for work in the real world? Just askin'.

plastic surgeon

Good one. That why you hate California and California women so much?

http://www.youtube.com/embed/eIqESwzCGg4

Yes old people have too much money. Do you know how hard it is to find a retired person willing to watch kids for extra money? The solution is to inflate the currency with a default and the repercussions thereafter. Then watch them try to live on social security when the dollar takes a dive! And their cash holdings won't be worth as much, so win-win for the true wealthy and corporations. Meanwhile the true wealthy stock up on inflation proof assets like real estate, stocks, and corporate holdings. Cash is for the little people. When the government shutdown triggers another recession and a run on the dollar they will only get more wealthy.
And the beautiful part is that they have total deniability! The politicians did it!

Quigley says

Yes old people have too much money. Do you know how hard it is to find a retired person willing to watch kids for extra money? The solution is to inflate the currency with a default and the repercussions thereafter. Then watch them try to live on social security when the dollar takes a dive! And their cash holdings won't be worth as much, so win-win for the true wealthy and corporations. Meanwhile the true wealthy stock up on inflation proof assets like real estate, stocks, and corporate holdings. Cash is for the little people. When the government shutdown triggers another recession and a run on the dollar they will only get more wealthy.

And the beautiful part is that they have total deniability! The politicians did it!

no the beautiful part is that there will be no police to enforce the law when the Millenials go !@#$ing berserk.

sorry Mr. Bobertson are you experiencing crime problems in your neighborhod. Please contact your local representative at 1800 FUCK ME.

this guy is actually considered to be cool, hip, and charming among the millenials:

sbh says

Quigley says

Meanwhile the true wealthy stock up on inflation proof assets like real estate, stocks, and corporate holdings. Cash is for the little people. When the government shutdown triggers another recession and a run on the dollar they will only get more wealthy.

So you're buying, right? Sounds real dumb to be holding cash. But that's what the wealthy Boomers have always been doing, and why we'll make out like bandits no matter what? Is that what you're saying? If little people would just treat their cash differently they wouldn't be the little people.

all these morons on here think they are the 'truly wealthy' when in reality they are the truly screwed. Actually its this class of people, who are too poor to find a haven in another country, yet wealthy enough to be considered 'rich' by Occupy Wall St. that will pay the most.

gee I hope you didn't let the relationship with your kids suffer in your wild chase for $$$$. If youre a Boomer I'm quite sure you did.

finehoe says

thomaswong.1986 says

Charles Krauthammer - panelist on PBS Inside Washington

The Walking Dead 2010-2013

He doesn't walk. He's in a wheelchair. Duh!

Bellingham Bill says

Krugman, DeLong, and other neoliberal centrists don't get this.

Bless you, BB.

They are still laboring on the old industrial model. That no longer works because increased retail demand != increased demand for employees in labor-intensive domestic factories.

diminishing returns cat is diminishing.

sbh says

you really should devote yourselves to Roth IRAs

Agreed. While I will fight tax raises I see nothing but higher taxes in the future (some of them necessary, a lot unnecessary). I think there will be changes to the IRAs though once the going gets even tougher.

Call it Crazy says

sbh says

Then, if you wish to substantiate it, use some attribution or association to history or logic. Otherwise you're just babbling like a lost cretin, staggering from one failure to another.

That's funny... After your 747 comments here, we are still waiting for YOU to come up with ONE substantial post.... Just One!!!

he does have a chart...

MershedPerturders says

this guy is actually considered to be cool, hip, and charming among the millenials:

Charming? Friends'll say "Fred? Advanced decomp? He looked the same, we had no idea he was dead!"

Bigsby says

At least they expand coverage and protect those with pre-existing conditions, two things that were shockingly lacking beforehand.

Yes but it also well grounded in Keynesian economics and unregulated Capitalism. Sure you've got insurance, and pre existing conditions are covered. But do you know what I'm finding out, that list of things that are actually covered, and not covered, is a blurred line. Sure all of the populous stuff is covered, while we actually lost a lot of ground on what insurance plans have to covered, from the 1996 Liberal victory from the last time they took a crack at it.
Many important cancer screenings have been drastically scaled back, sure diabetics are covered, my friend is ecstatic. I'll wait to see how it pans out for him after he actually shops the exchange, and then if he buys, how well his diabetic supplies are covered.
But in the meantime, catching colon and rectal cancers, and early detection breast screenings, and Pap smears, have been cut back, the age to get free screenings is about ten years later than they were before this legislation.

And if you are in your 40's and are scared you might have something going on that should be checked out. You will get a $1200 to $3000 hospital bill for it.
Or more, it will be a rejected claim and you will pay the full price.

It's a forced insurance, and nothing else. They are free to fuck, screw and pilage their captive policy holders, as there is little or no regulation defining what insurance, is even supposed to do.

It has become a privilege to be insured, one that you must oblige.
But make no mistake, there is very little rights into what that insurance policy will do for you. The best I can tell, the Liberal squeaky wheel gets the Oil. Which ever infliction is popular on the political shit list, then you can screened every day on the minute. But most all other procedures and services, you'll fork out 40% or more, before the doctor will even see you. This is on top of the hefty premiums, you either may or may not have to pay depending on your subsidy you get. But every body will be billed and or have claims rejected more often than not.

I remember simpler times, when all you had to do is grow you hair long, maybe put on a pair of bell bottoms to be a freak.

Of course that caught on, and a couple years later everyone was doing it.

Somehow I doubt this will catch on. But he is definitely a freak.

Man, being unique and cool sure has gotten challenging.

MershedPerturders says

this guy is actually considered to be cool, hip, and charming among the millenials:

What does that have to do with the thread again ?

Shut down Washington permanently. Everyone will be better off without them.

Yes, and then let's devolop a perpetual motion machine. And also I would like to stop aging and win the lottery.

Call it Crazy says

If you are so sure of yourself, why are you using the word "might"???

Nothing is 100% in life. If the Koch Brothers keep running commercials to sabotage participation in health insurance (which will cause people to die), then it might not work.