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All that's happening is that the GOP know they basically screwed themselves and they think if all they say is that "weallly its the Demoqwats fault!!" then maybe, just maybe enough people will actually believe them.

Like I said yesterday- these guys lost big time and they know it. Its just a matter of time before they move on and get over it.

OK CIC. Do you think that sitting Presidents should have to bribe Congress to do its job? Is that your position?

I've got nothing, if the a Democrat Washington, with a Democrat President, can't get anything done, then perhaps they should ask the cartoon elephant, if he will do it for them.

STFU Liberals, we'll make the decisions for you.

+100

Vaticanus says

Why not just pass the house bill? It would have avoided the shutdown. Nobody wants to talk about that. The house did its job. The senate failed to act.

Sorry, but you've basically got that ass-backwards. The Senate already did their job and about 70% of Americans agree and hence are blaming the GOP. Even top GOP leaders said that trying to repeal Obamacare was a flawed tactic. The GOP lost, they know it, and they are going to lose a ton of votes next time around. Good.

Here Here! Thank goodness someone said it like it is. You right wingers reading the above response? I'd suggest doing so to help yourselves become more informed.

See you reject the obvious and simple fact that the senate could and should have passed the house bill and completely avoided the shutdown . If the American people didn't like that obamacare went unfunded we could have had a serious debate on how to proceed without the added stress of a shutdown to muddy the waters. That would have been the civilized thing to do. But they did not want an honest debate.

Homeboy says

Oooh, me hate Obama so much. Me not know why, though.

Fuck off and choke you silly Tway!!!
Dan was the biggest champion of Obama when he ran in 2008 and he supported him all the way to the bitter end. He read the fucking thing after Nancy Sorry Ass Pelosi passed and then he realized what a dirty rotten cunt she is, and the steaming pile of shit that ACA was, and what a dirty rotten fucking liar Obama was.

You racist little cunt, you! Oh people I don't agree with, "Waaa Waaa I want to live on welfare and get free healthcare, why do people hate Obama?"

Get a fucking job, or get a fucking clue!

CaptainShuddup says

You racist little cunt, you! Oh people I don't agree with, "Waaa Waaa I want to live on welfare and get free healthcare, why do people hate Obama?"

Um, you're the one who keeps saying you want free socialized healthcare paid for with tax money, not me.

Dipshit.

Vaticanus says

See you reject the obvious and simple fact that the senate could and should have passed the house bill and completely avoided the shutdown . If the American people didn't like that obamacare went unfunded we could have had a serious debate on how to proceed without the added stress of a shutdown to muddy the waters. That would have been the civilized thing to do. But they did not want an honest debate.

lol--you're kidding, right?

Vaticanus says

See you reject the obvious and simple fact that the senate could and should have passed the house bill and completely avoided the shutdown . If the American people didn't like that obamacare went unfunded we could have had a serious debate on how to proceed without the added stress of a shutdown to muddy the waters.

See, you reject the obvious that Obamacare is a LAW. It was passed, turned into law, upheld by the supreme court, and as I said- LAW. As such, there is nothing to debate and the GOP is not following protocol. There is nothing here to discuss here other than the benefits the American people will have once the GOP endures a massive amount of PR damage they are getting for their own stupidity and childishness.

Yup at least that's a "System", feeding corporate profits are not.

I'm surprised dan is censoring

Care to repost it here, now I'm interested to know what was said

Proper negotiations between Rep and Dem begin when he sloppily and drunkenly starts munching down on Pelosi's oyster. He better have a second fifth or three to survive that experience.

If he pukes, the government crumbles forever.

Vaticanus says

But they did not want an honest debate.

Of course not. Why the hell do you debate whether or not Congress should perform its duty?? All the President is asking is for the House do actually do its effing job. My Lord.

And I like prefer both over the president - that proves what???

"Republicans are a cancer on the country and this crisis is 100% their fault. Democrats share NONE of the blame." Which is why the dems voted to fund the government when the house sent them a bill to fund it.

Oh wait? They didn't do that. They attempted to hold the house hostage and the house didn't blink. And this is republicans fault? yeah right. try the senate majority leader. He said no to passing the funding bill. Hint, he ain't no elephant.

Anyone reduced to using lol-cats as an "argument" has officially lost the debate.

Say hey! This was in the Wall Street Journal on March 30, 1999. Note "... how much it will buy."

Holy cow/interesting/compelling ...!

And where is it up to date??? Right here ... see the first chart shown in this thread.
Recent Dow day is Tuesday, October 8, 2013 __ Level is 94.3

WOW! It is hideous that this is hidden! Is there any such "Homes, Inflation Adjusted"? Yes indeed, go here:
http://patrick.net/?p=1219038&c=999083#comment-999083

The real question is who thinks Congress is doing a good job? The Daily Show had a great segment on that a while back.

“I’m not over exaggerating when I say I can smell the booze wafting from members as they walk off the floor.”

All a terrorist need to do is to go into Congress and light a match? FF-Woooshh!

The smell of singed eyebrows and hairpieces would choke a horse.

Who doesn't like dog poop and cockroaches better than blood sucking leeches?

Ceffer says

Who doesn't like dog poop and cockroaches better than blood sucking leeches?

Dog poop can be used as fertilizer. Come to think of it, that would be a good use for Congress as well.

Using stupid images doesn't make points that were incorrect to start with any more correct.

Ceffer says

All a terrorist need to do is to go into Congress and light a match? FF-Woooshh!

And a terrorist will be there for the State of The Union address!

Imagine Obama astride the dais, in loincloth and Luo tribal face paint, spear in one hand and Koran on the other.

Michelle and the girls, in full hijab, echo his animalistic howls of triumph, AK-47s raised above their heads, in fluent Swahili punctuated by repeated cries of "Allahu Akbar!"

Millions of Americans witness the live HD feed of a massive Satanic cannibal feast, at first horrified but then strangely fascinated, and finally jubilant at the lurid spectacle of primitive revenge. As the final trio of living legislators - Pelosi, Inhofe, and Cantor - are dispatched with quick thrusts of Obama's spear and pitched, still quivering, into the maw of the Oprah, a cheer rings throughout the 50 states: "All hail Chief Obama, killer and consumer of Congress!"

Immediate mass conversion to Islam ensues, and America enters a period of benevolent dictatorship under Sharia law which, considering its attitude to women and sex, and eerie similarity to the social agenda of the Tea Party, proves quite popular among the Republican base.

Democrats won the first battle when they rammed Obamacare through congress, they even bribed Ben Nelson (for those who remember that Cornhusker Kickback).

It's the same fight all over again, this time Republicans have a bargaining chip of their own. This isn't going to end until both sides agree to something.

FortWayne says

Democrats won the first battle when they rammed Obamacare through congress, they even bribed Ben Nelson (for those who remember that Cornhusker Kickback).

It's the same fight all over again, this time Republicans have a bargaining chip of their own.

By this you mean "democrats had the votes to pass a law".

And "we republicans don't have the votes, but we can stage a coup."

It's clear you republicans don't believe in democracy.

FortWayne says

Democrats won the first battle when they rammed Obamacare through congress, they even bribed Ben Nelson (for those who remember that Cornhusker Kickback)

The first battle? The bill passed. It's a law. The war is over.

FortWayne says

It's the same fight all over again, this time Republicans have a bargaining chip of their own. This isn't going to end until both sides agree to something.

No--this is a completely different fight. This is about funding the government and paying our bills. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with existing laws.

Let's see, from housing to the goldbug-sky is falling routine. Sounds like a fad chaser and expert of nothing to me.

Like I posted to him a couple of days ago, the answer to everything is 'buy gold'.

freak80 says

Ceffer says

I can quickly reel off six upper middle class people who are not disabled and can work just fine that collect disability.

Dang, I need to get in on that racket. Can you show me how? ;-)

You need to speak to one of the people who work for the SRO's in downtown Los Angeles. They'll show you how to get state disability(not sure about social security disability though), how to get an SRO apartment(brand spanking new) for $50 a month, which kitchens are open when so you can get free food)even though you have $950 a mo disposible income), and oh yeah, they introduce you to whatever drug dealer is paying them a referal fee at the moment. You'll never want for anything!

dodgerfanjohn says

You need to speak to one of the people who work for the SRO's in downtown Los Angeles. They'll show you how to get state disability(not sure about social security disability though), how to get an SRO apartment(brand spanking new) for $50 a month, which kitchens are open when so you can get free food)even though you have $950 a mo disposible income), and oh yeah, they introduce you to whatever drug dealer is paying them a referal fee at the moment. You'll never want for anything!

West Coast here I come! ;-)

The dems are a bunch of spineless, self serving, limp wristed crooks. They stand for nothing, so of course they haven't anything to negotiate on behalf of.

If they were worth a shit, they'd pine for the rescheduling of marijuana or something of the like, that could help tens of millions of mericans that have been persecuted by the state.

They're even more pathetic then the repukes, which is no small accomplishment.

The senate could have just passes the government funding bill and avoided the shutdown altogether and I defy any democrat to explain why not doing so is the fault of anyone but Harry Reid and the democrats. They shut the government down!

Vaticanus says

The senate could have just passes the government funding bill and avoided the shutdown altogether and I defy any democrat to explain why not doing so is the fault of anyone but Harry Reid and the democrats. They shut the government down!

Why would they have to pass something they don't like in exchange of nothing?

You're like "give us the money and nothing bad will happen".
And "If the senate had folded and given us the money, nothing bad would have happened".

You think you can run the country through petty extortion?

Just who the republicans think they are?

"Why would they have to pass something they don't like in exchange of nothing?"
It is called passing a bill to fund the government which the house did while the senate failed to act. are you admitting the dens did not want to fund the government and created this theatrical shit down because they wanted to? That might be the most honest admission I have heard from the libs. They did not WANT to fund the government. They manufactured this whole "crisis" try and make Repubs look bad and the media is all over it and helping demonize republicans for passing a bill in the house that would have AVOIDED the shutdown altogether.

You are right, I don't see how after passing a bill in the house to fund the goverent and avoid a shutdown the democrats would blame republicans when the democrat majority in the senate said no and shut down the government.

Boo hoo! Nasty Repubs asked us to make a hard choice and we decided to shut government down.

Quick lets blame them before we lose the senate too!

Heraclitusstudent says

Vaticanus says

The senate could have just passes the government funding bill and avoided the shutdown altogether and I defy any democrat to explain why not doing so is the fault of anyone but Harry Reid and the democrats. They shut the government down!

Why would they have to pass something they don't like in exchange of nothing?

You're like "give us the money and nothing bad will happen".

And "If the senate had folded and given us the money, nothing bad would have happened".

You think you can run the country through petty extortion?

Just who the republicans think they are?

Its really not that complicated. The Republicans have total contempt for their opponents and think that just sitting down at the negotiating table with Democrats is a huge concession in itself and all that could be reasonably expected of them.

the help to buy should have been introduced 1st qtr 2008
which would have kept a bigger percentage of workers in
the construction industry, now there is a shortage of skilled workers, those in work are having to be offered pay rises to stay
with existing employer, and this is leading to massive
inflation,

Heraclitusstudent says

FortWayne says

Democrats won the first battle when they rammed Obamacare through congress, they even bribed Ben Nelson (for those who remember that Cornhusker Kickback).

It's the same fight all over again, this time Republicans have a bargaining chip of their own.

By this you mean "democrats had the votes to pass a law".

And "we republicans don't have the votes, but we can stage a coup."

It's clear you republicans don't believe in democracy.

Do you even know what the definition of democracy means? I can't stand it when people claim our country is a democracy. It's a republic.

Meaning the Republicans and Democrats are elected to represent their representatives. Now what's funny is congress approval rating is at an all time low but the democrats actually have a lower approval rating than the republicans. So I guess you can say that congress as a whole are "Batsh*! Crazy"

http://www.gallup.com/poll/165281/congress-job-approval-falls-amid-gov-shutdown.aspx

As for the Repubs taking action against the dems to stop Obamacare, well I can see why. First off, as long as interest rates remain low the country isn't broke and can pay its bills the problem is congress (esp. the Dems) don't want to make any spending cuts to pay for the bills they rather raise the deficit ceiling to borrow more money to fund the programs, which doesn't make any sense but whatever.

Second, has anyone ever recall any of these programs like social security, welfare, disability, and etc ever get reformed? I mean it's very clear they need to be reformed but they never do. So if Obamacare passes and we know it'll cost a ton more than what our representative claim it to cost, when the holes start to leak (just like with all the other programs) are we going to form it and patch it up to reduce costs? Negative we'll just do like what we did with all the other programs and in the past, borrow/print more money.

The Republicans see this as a last stand, now or never otherwise, it's likely that it won't stop at Obamacare.