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bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

you accept ALL evidence of a conspiracy

Yeah, Squibbs, White Smoke, Firefighters testimony, all those proofs that you say are not proofs. But then you post no proof.

Post no proof? I and others have responded to everything you post. You simply ignore facts. Random dust and debris being forced out of the building by downward pressure are squibs to you. Confused eye witness testimony by a couple of firefighters at a location unconnected to the point of collapse is absolute proof to you. And 'white smoke' is, well what the fuck is that laughable bit of 'proof' that you are now peddling? You don't deal in facts. You deal in conspiracy nonsense.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

Duh. Here we go again.

Thatcherism resulted directly in our housing bubble and I can prove it.

I thought you Americans were strong on personal responsibility. Obviously not in your case.

bgamall4 says

egads101 says

care to name ANOTHER time in history when 1000's of people were told an earth shattering secret and managed to keep it?

If Israel Shahak had not interpreted the Yinon Plan into English, the strategy of regime change could have been kept a secret.

You must be having a laugh. Everything you post comes across as parody.

bgamall4 says

bgamall4 says

egads101 says

care to name ANOTHER time in history when 1000's of people were told an earth shattering secret and managed to keep it?

If Israel Shahak had not interpreted the Yinon Plan into English, the strategy of regime change could have been kept a secret.

One more point, not all the Council on Foreign Relations believes in continual war which is a hallmark of Yinon Zionism. That is a good sign. Many in the US, including the generals, are not keen on invading Iran, believing it is a bad idea.

You don't say. Remarkable insight.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

I thought you Americans were strong on personal responsibility. Obviously not in your case.

It is the job of the underwriter to tell you how much house you can afford. But when securitization came along, the underwriters left the building. Tell you what Bigs, don't go to a doctor and exercise your personal responsibility to diagnose your next big disease.

Ah, I see. You can post that comment but I'm not allowed to respond in kind without you deleting my post. That must be why you start all these conspiracy threads and pay your little premium.

egads101 says

Job creation has been low for the past 3 years. Why did housing prices rise if they require better job creation?

Lending standards were loosened, not to levels seen during the bubble but quite a bit still. The big difference was on allowed DTI's and down payment which was lower than what was normal before I'd say 2000 or so. Basically most everything was a 20% down/30 yr loan with a DTI of ~33% + a decent credit score. These days 5-10% down on a 30 yr loan with a DTI of 40% + lousy credit score is the norm. 2nd's are still not unheard of either.

Also the govt./Fed pushing and keeping rates artificially low has an effect too. If rates were to rise to the approximate historical average of ~5% it'd probably be terrible for the housing market.

egads101 says

Supply and demand are "overly simplified"?...so care to explain why they don't give information about the market today, when in your own post, you say they've worked since ww2?

I did in that same post which you later try to hand wave away with a "blah blah blah".

Since you don't appear to have understood what I said or read the links I posted here is the short(er) version and answer to your questions: supply and demand matter but so do the amount of money and cost of living of your average American. The income your average American has access to has been going down while the cost of living has been going up. That is the continuing long term trend and there is nothing you can point to reasonably and say, "this will fix that problem". Therefore housing prices will be suppressed for some time to come.

Now they've already loosened lending standards quite a bit, too much IMO, and if they try to do that any further they'll have a bubble on their hands and they know it. So you're probably not going to see lending get much looser so there can be no "fix" from that angle either.

egads101 says

lending standards were extremely tight for the past 3 years.

Compared to the bubble years sure. Compared to the years prior to 2000 no. Since you're not posting any evidence to the contrary and just continue to essentially say "nuh uh" the point still stands.

egads101 says

IF home prices were too high for americans, today, supply would rise, and demand would fall.

If supply and demand were the sole drivers of housing prices in the US than we wouldn't have had the bubble. Nor any of the other booms and busts of the prior decades too. Supply and demand are not the only factors at play here. Posting statements of denial + overt insults when I haven't even been slightly insulting to you will not convince anyone of anything either BTW.

egads101 says

I've posted copious graphs and information above...Your response is basically "salaries aren't going up, and home prices can't increase, unless salaries are going up... except for the past 3 years when home prices increased like hell while salaries weren't going up" wow!

You've posted lots of data that is in of itself good and reasonably accurate but you're also ignoring other information too.

You're not looking at the whole picture in other words.

Home prices have been responding to the banks/govt. efforts to reinflate the housing market by having a echo boom but now those efforts are falling flat. They'd have to continue loosening lending standards or find a way to reduce rates further to keep the boom going.

He kicked our veterans out of the WWII Memorial, then shot and killed them.

Invade Iraq first.

Plan the occupation at some future point.

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Comptroller says

It's the fact that his *wife*, the insane cannibal vegan Amazon, cooked them on a hibachi on the Capitol mall and ate them.

It's amazing how much meat you can shotgun while wearing a burqa. And did you see Oprah devour that fat dude's head?! Didn't even use two hands!

The video feed was pretty cool, though. I learned a lot of Islamic prayers in Swahili.

HydroCabron says

He kicked our veterans out of the WWII Memorial, then shot and killed
them.

So does that make Obama a veteran then?

I agree, its the ferengi first lady

The intense concentration of pure snark in this thread should be bottled and sold as a bracing aftershave that repels the opposite sex.
At 1/10th dilution, of course. We wouldn't want to cause any nasty chemical burns.

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Comptroller says

It's true, Minister of Islamofascist Hate and Rage Oprah has more than
doubled in size since the Kenyan Interloper has seized America, now that she has
had unlimited supplies of veterans and white babies to cannibalize with her
lesbian lover, the genocidal Amazon, satan's own sous chef, the diabolical
Michelle.

She's come a long way since being a pointless mouthpiece for all things nobody gives a shit about, while giving away freebies from big corporations. Was her audience listening to her babble because it was prophetic, or because they had to to get to the time of the freebies?

But she did make "Dr." Phil famous, so there's that. She's still obese and irrelevant but nobody cares or pays attention now, because there's no freebies.

Obama isn't letting the financial industry commit crimes for no reason. It is part of a plan to destroy America.

He wants to communicate to the masses that it is OK to commit crime. Soon attorney generals will be calling serial killers to negotiate civil penalties.

But his ultimate goal is to bring down capitalism by showing what a sham it is.

Dunnross is my financial advisor.

I wanted to come back in and apologize to Bigsby. I certainly didn't mean to insult you like that.

I type things I generally don't mean after I've been drinking a lot :)

I still think there's some fishy shit WRT 9/11 (really fishy shit) but insulting you wasn't on the list of things to do.

Sorry.

Mark D says

Hitler was VERY wise man.

Yowza, that's some seriously stupid shit.

I think there's much more than meets the eye, but come on, this statement is insane.

Mark D says

RT is a hundred times more credible than any jew-owned news network.

it is no secret that the zionists control America and are the root cause of its destruction.

http://tomatobubble.com/id199.html

the main reason why China gets hated by the jew media is because China told the zionist bankers to go fuck themselves, the reason why China is financially sound and the U.S is NOT!

Hitler was VERY wise man.

Bgamall4, please police your thread in the correct way. It's gotten out of hand and it's a personal attack, which is against the rules. (I'm tempted though to let him continue. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.)

By allowing this idiot to spout anti-Semitic attacks, you are as guilty as him. (And no, you don't get a pass because your natural father was Jewish. It doesn't immunize you, so don't try and pass it off like it does, which allows you to make the same type of ridiculous comments.)

bgamall4 says

Jewish owned media does control America, and that is a danger to US autonomy. Israel does not wholly control the US government or we would have invaded Iran by now.

I see now that you are two birds of a feather.

And the worst part is, you're wrong about the Israelis and Mossad wanting a war:
http://www.youtube.com/embed/3QbKwLEfSo8

Oh, I'm not anti-semite in the least, but the Israelis are seriously insane. They want to control that entire region and they are hell bent on achieving it.

Israel is a terrorist nation, no doubt. Backed whole hardheadedly by the good ol US of A, another terrorist nation (our greatest generation, which includes my father, roll over in their graves on a regular basis).

Let's face it. That entire region is full of of insane, religiously fooled (and fueled) idiots hell bent on killing each other.

They are all protagonists to progression. Idiots, the lot of them.

Why can't those evil jews leave those peace loving arabs alone.

CrazyMan says

I wanted to come back in and apologize to Bigsby. I certainly didn't mean to insult you like that.

I type things I generally don't mean after I've been drinking a lot :)

I still think there's some fishy shit WRT 9/11 (really fishy shit) but insulting you wasn't on the list of things to do.

Sorry.

That's good of you, but there's no need - I'm not easily offended. Mind, I'm pretty easily irritated.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

Post no proof? I and others have responded to everything you post. You simply ignore facts. Random dust and debris being forced out of the building by downward pressure are squibs to you.

They aren't random silly. Bigs you are pathetic.

I said 'random dust and debris.' And the 'puffs' are random in the sense that they weren't caused by explosives if that helps you - all the videos you keep posting up clearly demonstrate that. You were the one who posted up a video of the collapse of one of the towers and who tried to make the argument that the out-venting of debris caused by the downward pressure of the collapse was in fact squibs going off - after the bloody collapse was already well underway. Utterly laughable, not to mention pathetic. Post that video up again if you like, so everyone can once again marvel at what 'truthers' take as evidence.

egads101 says

Bigsby says

Post that video up again if you like, so everyone can once again marvel at what 'truthers' take as evidence.

I am amazed at your patience to continue this quixotic task: trying to talk sense to mentally ill people, suffering from conspiracy syndrome.

I have too much free time in Kuwait. Mind, it is clearly a pointless endeavor.

I'm not a perma-bear, RE is just becoming less and less affordable for me, I owned for 8 years, sold in 2010 because I can rent for half the cost of just the property taxes I was paying. The house payment was only $125 more than my tax payment. After 8 years of watching the place fall apart, it was either fix it up, and pay more taxes, or give up on a losing proposition. I was able to sell it for 105k, but the taxers said it was worth 150k.

But, wow, 100%, somebody is making out here, doubled in 2.5 years, looks like the money train is back, still as the article states, just back in 2011 investors were scooping them up for half what was owed on them, so why that local market crashed so hard and recovered so well remains to be seen, certainly enough, investors, flippers, and low interest rates had to have something to do with it.

All these figures prove is that I'm an absolute GENIUS.

Assholes overpay & other Assholes can't stand to be underbid so they are willing to pay more.

Great use of debt & cash. One day I hope to become financially inept.

egads101 says

I was completely wrong

Sure, I'll bite at that.

First, I'm not redacting anything I said, I still think the banks did release the undesirable properties with high hoa, etc. And I'm still bear leaning and enjoy the occasional paranoia fests on this site from time to time.

But, I think people should admit when they are/were wrong and I was wrong. To date, I did not see that all of these actions by the Fed, by the government, by investors, etc, might actually work and prop up the housing market. That these actions were leading to somewhere.

Bottom line, had I thought that way, I could have had a chance at another 100k.

bgamall4 says

You saw this right Tony?

So you might remember from that Silverstein "pull it" discussion, you may not realize it, but some of what you say actually DETRACTS from your conspiracy instead of proving it. Well this is one of those cases...

I am assuming the whole point of ALL this conspiracy stuff, is that someday, the govt will admit it, the media will go crazy, the people of the US will DEMAND that the perpetrators be held accountable, and then we will see frog marches of Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush et all off to jail. Rule of law restored, faith in democracy restored, conspiracy theorists vindicated...This is the basic idea isn't it?

OK. Well you may have noticed the Govt has a history of admitting things long after the event/conspiracy was fabricated -- and by doing so, by admitting to malfeasance that happened such a long time ago, they basically get of scott free.

For example, Area 51. About 2 months ago, the govt FINALLY ADMITTED it exists, and the response of the public was largely.... no one gives a shit. Its old news...Nothing happened, no hearings no nothing, and just like that...its over. http://www.nbcnews.com/science/area-51-its-purpose-declassified-no-ufos-lots-u-2-6C10931555

So anyway, going to your current link about John Kerry. You are now saying that the US SECRETARY OF STATE, #4 IN THE CHAIN OF COMMAND OF THE US GOVERMENT has come out and admitted "yes we blew up the WTC". And yet, this blatant admission of perhaps the worst crime in modern history was met with --- nothing??? I mean think about it.

The reaction of the media... nothing.

The reaction of congress, including all those who dislike Kerry... nothing.

The reaction of the public at large... nothing.

In essence, you are now saying, its over - there is nothing more that will be ever uncovered. The 4th highest member of the government has (according to you) ADMITTED that the Govt was involved, and since no one in the overall public really gives a shit, well that's it. Its over. No more conspiracy. No frog marches, no nothing. I mean by definition it cannot be a conspiracy when the government has admitted their involvement right?

In any event, this is more of a rhteotrical question than anything. Basically the idea that the govt admitted it and nothing happens as a result thereof would essentially be your worst nightmare as it would mean you spent all this time and effort proving something that (a) no longer needs to be proven (since it was admitted) and (b) no one really cares about (given the lack of the reaction of the public at large). If anything you should be advocating this Kerry video does not say anything more than they pulled down some wall, and it has nothing to do with a larger admission by the government that it was involved in 9/11 in any way shape or form.

bgamall4 says

To clarify, there is no writing on the Knesset according to Shahak about the
Nile to the Euphrates.

The real prophecy of Genesis 15 was fulfulled by David in a kingdom that
spanned from the Wadi, that is the border river with Egypt to the Euphrates.

That does not include the Nile but it is far larger than present day borders
of Israel.

Thanks for clarifying that. Now it's all clear to me. 9/11 was an inside job.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

That's good of you, but there's no need - I'm not easily offended. Mind, I'm pretty easily irritated.

I like that you are pretty easily irritated Bisby, because you deserve it.

Oh, I deserve it because I disagree with your moronic conspiracy theories (is there actually one that you don't believe), do I? It's nice your so-called Christian values are on full display as usual. You are so deluded in so many ways that it is just futile to try and reason with you. Seriously, I think Roberto is right when he says you are mentally ill.

bgamall4 says

Of course the neocon controlled media would not report this.

There is nothing more to report. I mean there is a youtube video out there where Kerry admits the US involvement right? So I am curious, in your view:

Why isn't the BBC, NHK, Al Jazeera, and everyone else in the non-neocon controlled media having a field day with this?

Why doesn't anyone in the US Congress care?

Why aren't their massive street protests from 9/11 families and neocon war vets, demanding to hear more about the inside job that Kerry admitted to on youtube?

Why doesn't NATO demand Kerry come and explain why they were told to bomb various countries that (by the USA's now admission) had nothing to do with 9/11?

To put it another way. Why doesn't anyone care? Why is 9/11 now nothing more than yet another publicly admitted, but long forgotten conspiracy theory/proven fact along with every other false flag operation in the dustbin of history?

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

the out-venting of debris

That was not debris. Your brain houses all the debris.

Oh right, because there is obviously no downward pressure when a huge building collapses and absolutely no possibility of such pressure forcing out dust and debris through the paths of least resistance. No, no, that is not what we are seeing according to you, to you it is a handful of disconnected and soundless squibs being detonated after the building has already started collapsing.
How is it that you utterly dismiss the former and completely lap up the latter?

bgamall4 says

Why would the BBC lie? Well, it is because the Brits were in on 9/11 and
needed that oil from the middle east.

Ahh - I forgot about that. OK so let me amend my question:

There is nothing more to report is there? I mean there is a youtube video out there where Kerry admits the US involvement right? So I am curious, in your view:

Why isn't the NHK, Al Jazeera, Al Arabea, Pravda, R-T and everyone else in the non-neocon controlled media having a field day with this?

Why doesn't anyone in the US Congress care?

Why aren't their massive street protests from 9/11 families and neocon war vets, demanding to hear more about the inside job that Kerry admitted to on youtube?

Why doesn't NATO demand Kerry come and explain why they were told to bomb various countries that (by the USA's now admission) had nothing to do with 9/11?

To put it another way. Why doesn't anyone care? Why is 9/11 now nothing more than yet another publicly admitted, but long forgotten conspiracy theory/proven fact along with every other false flag operation in the dustbin of history?

bgamall4 says

So Don. Did you notice that WTC7, the Solomon Building, was still standing when the BBC reported that it collapsed?

It looks that way. But anyway, the BBC involvement is only ancillary. The real issue here, as I noted before is the US GOVERNMENT has admitted their involvement

So I am curious, in your view:

Why isn't the NHK, Al Jazeera, Al Arabea, Pravda, R-T and everyone else in the non-neocon controlled media having a field day with this?

Why doesn't anyone in the US Congress care?

Why aren't their massive street protests from 9/11 families and neocon war vets, demanding to hear more about the inside job that Kerry admitted to on youtube?

Why doesn't NATO demand Kerry come and explain why they were told to bomb various countries that (by the USA's now admission) had nothing to do with 9/11?

To put it another way. Why doesn't anyone care? Why is 9/11 now nothing more than yet another publicly admitted, but long forgotten conspiracy theory/proven fact along with every other false flag operation in the dustbin of history?

bgamall4 says

CDon says

Why isn't the BBC,

The BBC was in on it, and a man sued the BBC for lying about 9/11, and the man did not have to pay the fee. http://2012thebigpicture.wordpress.com/2013/09/24/uk-man-sues-bbc-for-lying-about-911/

He won the court case and didn't have to pay the fine: http://prayingforoneday.wordpress.com/2013/04/10/uk-man-wins-court-case-against-the-bbc-for-911-cover-up/

Why would the BBC lie? Well, it is because the Brits were in on 9/11 and needed that oil from the middle east.

Ho, ho, ho, you are still peddling that story. You've posted this before and I addressed what complete bullshit it was then as well. You get your 'facts' from other conspiracy websites. This man refused to pay his TV licence as every TV owner is required to do. He was taken to court. He was ordered to pay £200 costs and given a CONDITIONAL discharge. On what planet does that mean he won the case? Yes, you guessed it, planet Conspiracy Theory.

bgamall4 says

CDon says

It looks that way. But anyway, the BBC involvement is only ancillary.

You have majored in being an idiot.

I don't understand the ad-hominem here. I am trying to say is that even if true, even if present in the light most favorable to you, we still have one much larger and more everpresent issue specifically:

Give that US GOVERNMENT has admitted their involvement:

Why isn't the NHK, Al Jazeera, Al Arabea, Pravda, R-T and everyone else in the non-neocon controlled media having a field day with this?

Why doesn't anyone in the US Congress care?

Why aren't their massive street protests from 9/11 families and neocon war vets, demanding to hear more about the inside job that Kerry admitted to on youtube?

Why doesn't NATO demand Kerry come and explain why they were told to bomb various countries that (by the USA's now admission) had nothing to do with 9/11?

To put it another way. Why doesn't anyone care? Why is 9/11 now nothing more than yet another publicly admitted, but long forgotten conspiracy theory/proven fact along with every other false flag operation in the dustbin of history?

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

. He was ordered to pay £200 costs and given a CONDITIONAL discharge.

The picture led to the discharge moron. You can't change the picture. The BBC lied. It was scripted. The tower was still standing and all they had to do was look out the window, moron.

The picture led to the discharge? What is that even supposed to mean? It was a CONDITIONAL discharge for what is considered a very common and very minor crime - non-payment of his TV licence fee (he wasn't suing the BBC as you earlier claimed - they took him to court). And do you understand what CONDITIONAL discharge means? It doesn't bloody well mean he was found not guilty.

And the BBC made an ERROR in the news report. An error doesn't automatically translate into a deliberate lie as part of an enormous conspiracy, does it? If it does, then you must be extraordinarily busy wading through new conspiracies considering the number of inaccurate news reports all news agencies produce every day, even when they have the time to do the research in advance.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

It doesn't bloody mean he was found not guilty.

You don't think the high court would want to implicate the BBC do you? You are stupid.

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize that the HIgh Court dealt with non-payment of TV licence fees. Silly me, there I was under the misapprehension the case was dealt with by Horsham Magistrates’ Court. Facts, so easily checked.

bgamall4 says

CDon says

Why isn't the NHK, Al Jazeera, Al Arabea, Pravda, R-T and everyone else in the non-neocon controlled media having a field day with this?

Why doesn't anyone in the US Congress care?

It doesn't matter.

OK so what about the rest of it:

Why aren't their massive street protests from 9/11 families and neocon war vets, demanding to hear more about the inside job that Kerry admitted to on youtube?

Why doesn't NATO demand Kerry come and explain why they were told to bomb various countries that (by the USA's now admission) had nothing to do with 9/11?

I mean seriously -- according to you we have every conspiracy theorist's gift most precious gift ever -- an admission -- from the US Government (per Kerry) -- YES ITS TRUE, WE DID IT, IT WAS AN INSIDE JOB!!! And yet, the larger reaction of the world is... nothing?