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It's OK It will result in a single page internet.

Probably the work of minority contractors.

zzyzzx says

Probably the work of minority contractors.

No it's the result of Democracy development, where the non technical members of the organization, play a bigger role in dictating the overall design, than the technical people in that organization.

How ever that being said, you have to realize, there isn't one single site on the internet that can't be breached, and probably hasn't been breached, when skilled hackers want in.

What I find frustrating, is all of the obscure and vague charges made against Obamacare. As much as I just love a reason to bitch about Obama and Obamacare, I don't like feeling like some lemming schmuck who's just bitching about technology, on the very limited information we're being given.

Though the reality of it, could be far worse, that what little tidbits we're being feed, or it's all just being put in layman terms, for the American fool can play along with the outrage.

The truth would probably make those who made the decisions in Washington look like even bigger idiots. So we're just spoon fed, vague limited tech'ese jargon, to make it seem like the world biggest idiots developed the site. When it was probably the worlds biggest Idiots, dictating to the requirements, not only in concept but in implementation.

Looks like you fellas are gunna' have to find some other sound bite you heard on right wing talk shows to badmouth healthcare because it now appears that the worst is over, the site is now mostly fixed with more glitches being repaired every day, record numbers of people are signing up, and Congress will be out on a long vacation, meaning a long stretch in which the other problems with the site will be fixed without the GOP making up more crap they were spoon fed by the tea party and other fake outside interests.

In other words- history repeats itself and the GOP finds itself in the same historical situation they always find themselves in, which is that they almost always support legislation and rhetoric that goes contrary to what actually happens. They can't hold back the hands of time and thus history keeps on happening without their input.

Call it Crazy says

We know Eddie, you'll just keep waving the Rah, Rah Rah, Obama flag... Your rose colored glass are working full time these days...

As I've mentioned a number of times, I grew up in a very rural, almost entirely Republican area in the South, and for a time was a Republican voter myself. I now live in a fairly liberal area. I've witnessed both sides of the table. Seeing the world from this experience showed me reality and reality seems to have a whole hell of a lot less to do with the agenda of the GOP. So no, to put aside your assertion, I don't see things through rose colored glasses, but rather through the lens of real life experience and objectivity. There are very few people like me, who have been on both sides and lived in such total polar opposite sides of the political spectrum.

As far as the Obamacare site, yes- the site has had some problems and the launch was carried out poorly. But that doesn't mean the healthcare plan is not sound. Could it be better? Sure. There's lots of room for improvement. But the takeaway is that the system we had before SUCKED about 200% more, with the largest number of bankruptcies in the US tied to healthcare related problems. Now- the GOP is always going on and on about spending. What do you think happens when someone declares bankruptcies? The banks eat it and like it or not, we in turn all are affected in some way and the net result is a cost of billions and billions to the US economy.

The GOP had their chance. Years in fact to present their own plan. Hell- they even ran a presidential candidate who implemented a healthcare plan that was damned close to being the same as Obamacare. Instead, they were so hell-bent on trying to stop ANY form of public healthcare, in large part thanks to their party having been co-opted by the likes of the Tea Party, which in of itself is a astroturf organization supported by the very outside interests who would profit if the system were to have been kept as it was-meaning huge profits from substandard care, that they in effect wasted that opportunity from day one.

So the GOP lost. And the best they can come up with is to keep up the badmouthing. They have wasted years so far on an issue they lost. They could move forward and start doing their jobs, but I doubt that will happen. Instead they'll simply keep painting themselves into a narrowing corner.

At this point the GOP is in complete dysfunction. Despite my lack of support for their causes, we do in fact need a stronger GOP versus the status it finds itself in. The intentional gridlock the GOP has undertaken is costing the US economy dearly. The sooner the GOP gets with the program and stops pandering to monied interests and actually starts working for their constituents again the better off everyone- whether conservative or liberal- will be.

edvard2 says

As I've mentioned a number of times, I grew up in a very rural, almost entirely Republican area in the South, and for a time was a Republican voter myself. I now live in a fairly liberal area. I've witnessed both sides of the table. Seeing the world from this experience showed me reality and reality seems to have a whole hell of a lot less to do with the agenda of the GOP.

So basically you're saying Rich Liberals are more fun than Poor Southern Liberals. If you are in the South, then you're a republican, but in Heathenville, you're a true blue Liberal.

Laughing with the sinners rather than crying with the saints aye?

zzyzzx says

Probably the work of minority contractors.

Realistically it was probably outsourced to a group of men, somewhere overseas, who have never seen a computer until now, and go by names most of us can't pronounce.

Crony capitalism in all it's glory.

edvard2 says

Looks like you fellas are gunna' have to find some other sound bite you heard on right wing talk shows to badmouth healthcare because it now appears that the worst is over, the site is now mostly fixed with more glitches being repaired every day, record numbers of people are signing up, and Congress will be out on a long vacation, meaning a long stretch in which the other problems with the site will be fixed without the GOP making up more crap they were spoon fed by the tea party and other fake outside interests.

You are still excusing Obamacare website? At some point you should open your eyes to the government corruption and finally see what the rest of us have been aware of.

Look around you, there are millions of websites out there Edvard. And I'm sure very few get that kind of money put into them, and most don't have the trillion problems Obama's website has. It ain't rocket science.

There is something wrong with this government, when they spend millions and can't even put up a basic website. Something tells me, that a few kids in their garage can do a better job over a few weekends while playing beer pong.

For all it's worth, patrick has made a better website making patrick.net on his own free time compared to millions spent making Obamacare website. If that doesn't open your eyes... you are just choosing to be blind.

Call it Crazy says

Why do you always roll back to your GOP blame smoke screen???

Three paragraphs of GOP rant?? REALLY??

How did the GOP have ANYTHING to do with the Obamacare web site issues???

I'm not putting up any smoke screen. All one has to do is go back and look at the 2012 election results. The numbers are easy to see. The GOP doesn't appeal to much of anyone outside of a narrowing demographic. So they are basically in deep doo-doo and they know it, and the best they seem to believe they can do is act like 5 years olds, throw tantrums, and sit on their hands.FortWayne says

You are still excusing Obamacare website? At some point you should open your eyes to the government corruption and finally see what the rest of us have been aware of.

Look around you, there are millions of websites out there Edvard. And I'm sure very few get that kind of money put into them, and most don't have the trillion problems Obama's website has. It ain't rocket science.

There is something wrong with this government, when they spend millions and can't even put up a basic website. Something tells me, that a few kids in their garage can do a better job over a few weekends while playing beer pong

The site is being fixed. That is reality. Also- you're going to find it difficult to pinpoint any time in US history when anything on such a monumental scale was carried out perfectly without major glitches. Interesting that you mention "rocket science" Ever read about the NASA program in its early years? We spent untold BILLIONS of 1960's dollars on it and for years, the program and the spacecraft it built were rife with problems and in many cases the rockets couldn't even make it off the ground.

So why would this be any different? Is it any surprise that a system that has been broken for decades could be solved immediately? Of course not.

But to summarize, the site is being fixed and coming close to being resolved. With that reality, what are you guys going to argue about now? Seems to me that one of the few things the GOP has been able to grab ahold of is about to go away and thus they'll probably resort to their number one tactic of simply being obstructive at every turn.

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Comptroller says

In fact, every house in the US is worth at least twice what any house now
costs in Westminster or Notre Dame and is underpriced, no matter where it is in
the US.

You have my vote for the true genius of Pat.net.

That's it. Isn't it? So right on I'm speechless.

You're seriously sick man. Get some professional help.

WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

Say hey! This was in the Wall Street Journal on March 30, 1999. Note "... how much it will buy."

Holy cow/interesting/compelling ...!

And where is it up to date??? Right here ... see the first chart shown in this thread.
Recent Dow day is Tuesday, December 3, 2013 __ Level is 101.8

WOW! It is hideous that this is hidden! Is there any such "Homes, Inflation Adjusted"? Yes! This was in the New York Times on August 27, 2006:

And up to date (by me) is here:
http://patrick.net/?p=1219038&c=999083#comment-999083

WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

And http://patrick.net/?p=1230886

What's up with that Robbie Parker video? So bizarre.

Every crime has some anomalies, especially one of this magnitude. But to say the tragedy didn't happen and all the family members are actors, is absurd. Also, even if you were right, which you aren't, how can you say that it's some Zionist plot?Lastly, has Sandy Hook significantly changed gun control laws? It hasn't. You sound kind of delusional to be honest.

I've done a ton of research on the Sandy Hook shooting going back as far as when it happened a year ago, and there's no question in my mind that something fishy went on and that it was likely a gov't-driven event. There are so many "anomalies" that it would take 50 paragraphs explaining them all...examples include:
- photoshopping of family pictures of victims; I've seen analysis done by professionals showing they're clearly photoshopped
- newspapers showing a photo a victim that wasn't really her...the photo was of a girl who was still alive
- crisis actors involved; these actors are legitimate and used for FEMA exercises and can be easily traced to other productions that were done; Robbie Parker among others are clearly crisis actors
- An huge, industrial "Check in Here sign" existed at the firehouse within 2 hours of the event; these are used specifically for FEMA drills and there's no way in hell it could've arrived that fast
- No videos or photos of hundreds of kids evacuating the school; no videos or photos of blood or anyone seriously injured
- no security camera footage at all of Adam walking into the school that day; there's even a photo of a camera installed near the entrance, and the camera was then photographed having been removed
- Donation sites set up before the event or as it had occurred...this NEVER happens
- The guy running in the woods in camouflage who the media later claimed was a parent helping make gingerbread houses with the kids...yea right, in CAMO??

There are so many mess-ups it's absolutely ridiculous how any logical human being could think that what the media reported is what really happened. For those of you who make fun of people believing it's a conspiracy, you are either part of the media BS or you're too brainwashed by society and embarrassed to be called a "conspiracy theorist" so you just follow the herd mentality and stick your head in the sand.

@bgamall4 - I'm glad you're not one of the "sheeple" that discredits anyone who asks questions about what really happened, but I would just ask that you don't come off too radical with your Zionist/Neocon comments and such because it totally discredits those who are trying to find out the truth about the monstrosity that went on.

I know a great deal on tinfoil hats in case you're running low...

AverageBear says

3 years in the making, and they didn't build security measures into the Obamacare website?

Not to worry... we have the NSA PRISM to track down any hackers...

from the article...

"“We went through the biggest housing bubble in U.S. history in the 2000s, and there is a knee-jerk reaction among some people who think, well, maybe we are doing that again,” Yale economist Robert Shiller, a home-price expert and Nobel Prize winner, said in a recent Barron’s interview. “But you have to consider that these are very rare phenomena, and it was such a decisive break at the end of the last housing bubble that we might not be psychologically ready for another bubble.”

we sure werent ready during the peak year for a bubble, fact is most everyone except Robert Shiller was in denial that a bubble even existed. "psychologically ready" or not we sure have a bubble in SFBA.. we havent corrected fully yet..

bgamall4 says

debyne says

but I would just ask that you don't come off too radical with your Zionist/Neocon comments and such because it totally discredits those who are trying to find out the truth about the monstrosity that went on.

Actually, there would be no other folks with motive to do the hoax. Think about it. Like I say, my natural father was Jewish and I am adopted, but I have no doubt Zionists were involved. There is a big difference between being anti Zionist and anti Semitic. And I don't have a problem with Israel existing. But I have a big problem with Israel wanting to boot the Palestinians out, and causing regime change with the assistance of the US neocons in the middle east.

Believe me, I'm not saying it's not true, it's just that most people aren't ready to hear something so drastic unlike you and me since we're willing to have an open mind and look at the facts instead of thinking with our pride like most people will do.

bgamall4 says

debyne says

- crisis actors involved; these actors are legitimate and used for FEMA exercises and can be easily traced to other productions that were done; Robbie Parker among others are clearly crisis actors

Interesting you say crisis actors because one crisis actor website said they didn't engage in government actions. But now you list FEMA and that is government. I would like to hear more.

Crisis actors are used in crises simulated by FEMA. In fact, there's an official handbook that contains their standard operating procedures that talks about actors. The similarities between Sandy Hook and the events in a simulated crises under FEMA are disturbing.

bgamall4 says

Tell us about yourself. Who are you, and what do you stand for. Otherwise these potshots attacking me personally are evidence that you got nothin'.

@bgamall - You can't even acknowledge these sheeple because their too brainwashed by the big media. It's like trying to convince a religious zealot in that his religion isn't true, but he's too blinded by societal brainwashing to look at the facts objectively...it's a sign of an unevolved brain.

thomaswong.1986 says

from the article...

"“We went through the biggest housing bubble in U.S. history in the 2000s, and there is a knee-jerk reaction among some people who think, well, maybe we are doing that again,” Yale economist Robert Shiller, a home-price expert and Nobel Prize winner, said in a recent Barron’s interview. “But you have to consider that these are very rare phenomena, and it was such a decisive break at the end of the last housing bubble that we might not be psychologically ready for another bubble.”

we sure werent ready during the peak year for a bubble, fact is most everyone except Robert Shiller was in denial that a bubble even existed. "psychologically ready" or not we sure have a bubble in SFBA.. we havent corrected fully yet..

Its almost EXACTLY like 2006 in one respect....nearly everyone buying during the past year or so* has this thought in their head:

"I better buy now before I'm priced out forever"

Note that there are not many people who think that way. But inventory is minimal and so it doesn't take a lot of people thinking that way.

*The exception is cash buyers which I believe, at least for coastal urban CA, is comprised of two, and only two groups...wealthy overseas buyers and people seeking to park investment or criminal money. Again, not a whole lot of people.

dodgerfanjohn says

Note that there are not many people who think that way. But inventory is minimal and so it doesn't take a lot of people thinking that way.

Yes, that is true, but Inventory as measured by the MLS has been manipulated the MLS low inventory is misleading per even the Realtors.. (CAR) ....since many are using unlisted pocket listings...

a fast scan of Pocket listings recent articles..

California Association Warns About 'Pocket Listings' | Realtor ...
realtormag.realtor.org › News & Commentary › Daily News‎
Jun 27, 2013 - About 1-in-4 home sales are reportedly pocket listings in some Northern California markets, and the California Association of REALTORS® is ...

California Realtors warning sellers about pocket listings | Inman News
www.inman.com/.../california-realtors-warning-sellers-about-pocket-listi...‎
Jun 25, 2013 - The California Association of Realtors has published a “Q-and-A” on pocket listings for Realtors to distribute to their clients and the news media ...

Pocket listings under fire in California | Inman News
www.inman.com/2013/07/11/pocket-listings-under-fire-in-california/‎
Jul 11, 2013 - An ombudsman, a legal hotline and a distressed property helpline are just a few of the innovations that the California Association of Realtors ...

Pocket listings grow as more sellers keep homes off MLS - Kathleen ...
blog.sfgate.com/.../pocket-listings-grow-as-more-sellers-keep-homes-off-...‎
Aug 19, 2013 - A pocket listing is a home for sale that hasn't been entered into the .... The California Association of Realtors contends that pocket listings hurt ...

Mental illness is no laughing matter. Curious bg...do you ever wonder about how something of this magnitude is pulled off ?

In your fantasy were there really some people killed that day that 26 people were killed ? If not, how do those who were there in the middle of things deal with the discrepancies ? MAybe they killed a couple children and adults, to help pull it off ?

Is it possible that some aliens needed some human passengers for a mission to distant worlds ? Maybe these people were volunteers to have their kids go. And it was a long process, they got all the volunteer families to move to Sandy Hook in the years before hand, so that they could all conveniently disappear from the same location at the same time.

I guess a few mortuary techs would have to be bought off, but that could be done. Probably a couple dozen other various first responders. I wonder, would they try to contacts all the first reponders in advance, to set it up ? Or did they have to pay them off after to keep it quiet ? Definitely complicated to pull off something like that on this scale.

Maybe it wasn't aliens, but we already have ships that go on missions in to deep space, and so they took volunteer children and adults for the U.S. space mission on that day.

Not to change the subject, but getting passengers for deep space trips could have been what was behind 9/11 as well. IF a lot of people were going to be departing on missions in to space, or possible leaving via one of those magical gates, it would have been a great cover.

I for one think alien involvement is more likely. By the way, doesn't this guy sort of look like an alien ? The wig and make up doesn't fool me.

Actually the op began as a modest proposal from the Department of Education to the Department of Agriculture. Faced with overcrowded schools and a sequestered lunch budget, school shootings seemed like the only way to supply the cafeteria.

The parents were just happy not to have to pay for college. Plus they get to have sex again, which some of them hadn't done in years.

those are very happy parents indeed.

plus, no surveillance footage. something is V E R Y fishy.

I'm not gonna go all deep into conspiracy land here,,,but,,,my last post dissappeared from this thread.

Vanished without a trace. I wish another soul bore witness to it, lest I am tossed on the heap of crazies and conspiracist whack a doos

I bet some of these loons think that the holocaust actually happened.

Like it wasn't some big zionist propaganda to sway public opinion so they could do away with hitler

errc says

some of these loons

...probably believe in the moon landing too. Of course everyone knows it was all fake, I saw a documentary re-enactment where OJ Simpson showed how the whole thing was done.

That's why they got him btw. The real killers were from NASA, and their cover was they work as golf caddies, which is why OJ dedicated himself to searching for them on golf courses. The Nevada robbery case was all part of the cover-up.

Mark D says

plus, no surveillance footage.

Yes, in this day and age, any place that doesn't have continuous video surveillance from at least a dozen camera angles is very suspicious.

bgamall4 says

Like I say, my natural father was Jewish and I am adopted,

When you are finally committed or at least undergoing therapy and undergoing psychiatric care and therapy, examing this statement regarding your biological father, which you continually post, would be an excellent place to start to find the root of your obsession(s) and delusion(s) as reflected in many of your postings.

some of the photos of the moon landing are definitely fake.

1. flag "flying" when there is no wind on the moon
2. no burn crater under the landing spot
4. a piece of rock has the word "C" carved out (studio props)
5. camera's cross-hair is behind an object

http://www.youtube.com/embed/6NfXw0UzSYA

errc says

I'm not gonna go all deep into conspiracy land here,,,but,,,my last post dissappeared from this thread.

Vanished without a trace. I wish another soul bore witness to it, lest I am tossed on the heap of crazies and conspiracist whack a doos

Quite a few posts will disappear from this thread before it runs its course.

My cousin, who is on a new drug regimen for schizophrenia, plus a convenience-store clerk I know, have researched the connections among Zionism, the moon landings, and Sandy Hook, and have convinced me that only someone at the intellectual level of Terry Schiavo would believe the official story.

This sequence of false-flag ops goes back to 1945, when Hitler, together with 1000 hand-picked Nazis, fled planet Earth for the moon, where they had established a lunar Auschwitz stocked with Jewish slave labor. Kennedy, knowing full well that Hitler knew way more about Joe Kennedy's (and Prescott Bush's) financial relationships with the Reich, started the Apollo program as a military operation to bomb the Nazi lunar base at Scheisskopf Crater.

Problem was that Kennedy was having second thoughts about secrecy, which pissed off the Israelis. So they killed him in Dallas.

The moon landings had to go forward, and would be detectable by radio and visual observers from Earth, so they needed a benign version to feed the public: all the Armstrong/Aldrin stuff was filmed in a studio, while real combat astronauts engaged the Nazinauts in lunar combat. That's why the Apollo program ended after 3 years and only 6 landings. It's fair to say that the moon landings were both real and faked.

Fast forward to 2001, and the Zionists get wind of pockets of Nazi resistance remaining near Copernicus Crater. Bush, hoping to destroy any remaining documents in Hitler's lunar archives which might embarrass his grandfather, greenlights 9-11 in order to get enough black-budget money for another moon landing - much of the equipment sent to Iraq was rocket stages, launch facilities, and spacesuits and capsules.

I have researched this, and there is a homeless drug addict in the park downtown who says he can tie Sandy Hook to 9-11, so I think there's a continuum of evil here.

David9 says

You have my vote for the true genius of Pat.net.

It is true, isn't it?

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Comptroller says

Housing prices never go down. Never have. Ever.

Unless buyers do exactly what they are told by REALTORS, they and their children will die homeless, freezing in the dark and begging for someone to shoot them.

In fact, every house in the US is worth at least twice what any house now costs in Westminster or Notre Dame and is underpriced, no matter where it is in the US.

This is the best post on the Internet.

edvard2 says

The site is being fixed. That is reality. Also- you're going to find it difficult to pinpoint any time in US history when anything on such a monumental scale was carried out perfectly without major glitches. Interesting that you mention "rocket science" Ever read about the NASA program in its early years? We spent untold BILLIONS of 1960's dollars on it and for years, the program and the spacecraft it built were rife with problems and in many cases the rockets couldn't even make it off the ground.

You are still excusing it. They are just building a website, not reinventing internet and the wheel from scratch.

In this market what would realtors say to try and drum up some life/sales volume? How would you 'scare' sellers into selling?

2014 is going to look like 2013 with higher house prices. Inventory isn't going to suddenly flood the market.

Call it Crazy says

No security ever built into Obamacare site: Hacker

That's ok. If a hacker deletes everyone's data, the NSA has a backup copy.

Sellers are doing fine.There are plenty of Dumass buyers willing to overpay for sellers shacks.

Without the prospect of rapid house price inflation, and all things being equal, decreasing prices for new homes should cause existing home prices to plunge.

It's like if there's a sale on new model cars, then used cars become much less valuable. Who wants an old dirty falling part house with ancient appliances when you can get brand new house with clean walls and fixtures and so on.

Tim Aurora says

Supply also dwindled to 4.5 months indicating that the home prices may increase.

There isn't a limited supply of something that can be built at will.