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Quigley says

I guess you missed the memo where it was decided that both men were innocent.

Everyone knows that the jury in both cases made the wrong call. Everyone knows that there are some people in each race that's OK with the wrong call that favors their race. And then there are people like me who would rather justice had been served in both cases.

Every response to my statement by the pro-Zimmerman crowd supports my statement, Zimmerman is the white man's O.J. A lot of white people feel that Zimmerman getting away with killing a black boy makes up for O.J. getting away with killing a white woman. Thankfully, there are more white people who don't believe in that nonsense.

Call it Crazy says

Quigley says

Huh, I guess you missed the memo where it was decided that both men were innocent. Evidence now strongly suggests that OJ was indeed innocent of the murders, and Zimmerman was following the Florida state law when he shot TM.

Yeah, that's just a small detail Dan missed

Hardly. Although the jury made that decision, a different jury might not have. I've read Florida's Stand Your Ground law. There is nothing in it that implies a person has the right to chase down another person and then kill him. It's Stand Your Ground not Take Ground.

Dan8267 says

Sufficient data mining could filter for that and determine if political ideology independent of religious doctrine affects alcohol consumption.

You have to be a real loser to dislike such a dry statement as the one above.

Call it Crazy says

Hmmmm... why are the liberals here so concerned with this study???

Who says I'm concerned? That's you jumping to a conclusion.

There is nothing wrong with drinking alcohol. So whether or not liberals do so, although maybe interesting from a sociological view, is completely irrelevant to judgments of intelligence, integrity, morality, or correctness of political philosophy.

I did make suggestions of how the study could be made better, but those suggestions have nothing to do with the conclusion of the study.

Now, perhaps you posted this thread to suggest that liberals are somehow inferior to the assholes who call themselves social conservatives, but if that's the case you are way off base. Social conservatives have sided with evil on every issue for the past 400 years including
- slavery
- subjugating women
- segregation
- killing unarmed college students at anti-war protests
- torturing men, women, and children
- assassinating U.S. citizens including minors
- falsely imprisoning minorities to prevent them from voting
- Jim Crow Laws
- Voter ID laws who sole intention is to prevent legitimate minority voters from voting

Social conservatives are morally inferior, intellectually inferior, and despicable. This is true because of the horrific history of social conservatives. Whether or not they drink more is utterly irrelevant. Drinking isn't evil. Even getting drunk isn't evil. Raping your slave and then killing her children is fucking evil. Conservatives come from a very long line of evil, vile, despicable people. Evil is in their genes and their culture.

I rebut Dan's argument with solid facts and he responds with hand-waving "Everyone knows..."
The difference between Truth and what "everyone knows" is evident to anyone with a modicum of wisdom. If you ever find yourself in the majority, you can be certain you're heading off a cliff.

This is about Obama stay on topic guys.

Call it Crazy says

I've read Florida's Stand Your Ground law. There is nothing in it that implies a person has the right to chase down another person and then kill him. It's Stand Your Ground not Take Ground.

The only problem I have with what you said in the context of the Zimmerman trial, he was not defending his right to exercise "Stand your Ground". All he had to defend was that, He is not a racist killer. He should have been tried for Manslaughter, neglegence, murder 2nd, or murder 3rd, but the Obama super pac fund money was trying Zimmerman for Murder 1st. They tried to skirt the stand your ground argument by painting his as an angry homicidal racist lunatic.

What can I tell ya, Liberals shouldn't mix business with pleasure, then maybe Zimmerman would be probation wearing an ankle bracelet, and the City of Sanford would on the losing side of a 50 million dollar lawsuit, for their negligence for letting a lone whacko nutt job lose with a loaded gun patrolling the streets under the pretense that he is the law.

Meh tough break Kid, whudaya gonna do? Can't paint every White lone whacko nutt job as a racist. Sometimes they are just your average run of the mill fuckups that had no business with a Gun.

Oh and because the Liberal political money machine blundered his trial so badly. Zimmerman gets to keep his Gun(s). Good JOB!

Zimmermans not white.

Dan8267 says

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

George Zimmerman Agrees to Celeb Boxing Match -- I'll Fight Anyone, Even Black People

George Zimmerman: the white man's O.J. Simpson

Wrong again.
Zimmerman is 'adobe south'...

Dan8267 says

drudometkin says

Too bad zimmerman ain't white.

1. Zimmerman is white

Call it Crazy says

TM was NOT "chased down"... he was sitting on Zim's chest when he was shot.... Nice twist of the facts!!!

You've got a political agenda. I don't.

Zimmerman followed Martin in his car. Stalked him around the neighborhood. And then got out of his car and chased Martin on foot. That's not standing your ground.

If Zimmerman was black and Martin white, you'd be outraged that another hoodlum killed a white kid. Your position is determined by the races. I'd be calling Zimmerman guilty if he were black and Martin was white, just like I call O.J. guilty. Race matters to you, not me.

As for Stand Your Ground, funny that it does not apply to a black woman firing a warning shot in her own house when her ex-husband breaks in and threatens her. She gets 20 years for her self-defense and no one got hurt.

But a white guy chases after an unarmed, black minor who committed NO CRIME and was not threatening anyone at the time, and then shoots him to death when the black minor fights back against his stalker, and that's self-defense. Makes a lot of sense, doesn't it.

I suppose when Drunky McDumbass walks up to a couple, sucker punches the guy, and groups the woman's genitals, Drunky McDumbass will be justified in shooting the man he just punched out when that man gets up to hit Drunky. After all, Drunky is legitimately in fear of his life because the guy he assaulted might have a gun just like Drunky does.

In that scenario, I consider Drunky the guilty party. Depending on his race and the race of his victims, you'd either call him a hoodlum or a hero. 'Nuff said.

Quigley says

I rebut Dan's argument with solid facts and he responds with hand-waving "Everyone knows..."

Your solid facts is that the jury acquitted Zimmerman, not that the jury was right. Your assuming that African Americans have never been disfranchised by the legal system. Maybe you should watch a few documentaries, or at least The Butler.

You are hardly a voice of rationality.

CaptainShuddup says

He is not a racist killer.

Maybe, maybe not. It's hard to tell. And the manipulation of the 9/11 call by the press just fucked up everything.

Nonetheless, he prejudicial assumed Martin was a burglar, which was completely false, whether that was racism or some other prejudice is a secondary matter at best. Zimmerman is still guilty of second degree murder, not manslaughter. He got lucky that the system failed in his favor. He's a violent punk with a history of crimes, and he's clearly a danger to society.

Since when did Quigley buy a majority position in 'assuming'??

Dan8267 says

Your assuming that African Americans have never been disfranchised by the legal system.

SoftShell says

Wrong again.

Zimmerman is 'adobe south'...

Wow, you're really pushing it when you have to take out a color swatch to make the case that Zimmerman's skin isn't white. He looks as white as I do and people passing him on the street would consider him white if they never heard of him and just had to describe him to the police.

Hell, Zimmerman is lighter than Evangeline Lilly. I guess she's not white either.

Dan8267 says

Zimmerman followed Martin in his car. Stalked him around the neighborhood. And then got out of his car and chased Martin on foot. That's not standing your ground.

If Zimmerman was black and Martin white, you'd be outraged that another hoodlum killed a white kid. Your position is determined by the races. I'd be calling Zimmerman guilty if he were black and Martin was white, just like I call O.J. guilty. Race matters to you, not me

Straw Man says

You might as well say that about blaming the Nazis for the Holocaust. It doesn't make it less true.

Dan8267 says

Zimmerman followed Martin in his car. Stalked him around the neighborhood. And then got out of his car and chased Martin on foot

So what? Trayvon got what was coming to him.

I'd need to examine her more closely to validate your statement...

Dan8267 says

Hell, Zimmerman is lighter than Evangeline Lilly. I guess she's not white either.

Lay off Zimmermann.

Haven't enough people leveled baseless accusations of assault, battery, sexual assault on a minor, and brandishing against this murdering piece of shit?

Have some compassion. Aren't even the most evil among us still human beings?

SoftShell says

I'd need to examine her more closely to validate your statement...

Dan8267 says

Hell, Zimmerman is lighter than Evangeline Lilly. I guess she's not white either.

Get in line, buddy.

Call it Crazy says

TM was NOT "chased down"... he was sitting on Zim's chest when he was shot.... Nice twist of the facts!!!

Zimmerman stalked and chased down Martin. Martin tied to run away from his murderer but could not. So Martin stood his ground and attacked his stalker in self-defense. The criminal then shot Martin.

Honey, they can't both be standing their ground. It's just like Drunky McDumbass starting assaulting someone and then killing his victim when the victim fights back.

It was Martin, not Zimmerman, fighting in self-defense. Martin had a real fear for his life, and one obviously justified since Zimmerman killed him. If Zimmerman had done the same damn thing to you, you would have attacked him in self-defense, probably shot him if you carry a gun yourself.

Facts that are inconvenient to The Story can and should be discarded by all right-thinking people. Why mess with a perfectly good narrative because of inconsequential things like evidence and history of burgulary?
"She's a witch! Burn her!"

Call it Crazy says

You definitely have a great imagination!!

Just because you assert something is false, does not make it so. There is plenty of reports of what happened. Martin fled and Zimmerman chased him down. You simply want to make the black boy the bad guy and that is why you refuse to accept any facts that make Zimmerman look bad.

Guilty is as guilty does.
Witnesses put tray on top of zim pounding away.
All else is speculation.

When the skittles spilt..trayvon owned guilt.

Cabron Del Hydro says

Will we ever understand the mind of a killer?

Ask me anything.

SoftShell says

Wrong again.

Zimmerman is 'adobe south'...

Midnight at the Cantina

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I don't think Gold is overvalued based on the above, and also based on its performance over the last 20 years.

JodyChunder says

Cabron Del Hydro says

Will we ever understand the mind of a killer?

Ask me anything.

Flies and garden snails don't count.

TM was just another violent young thug raised by a violent thug, his own father. He looked and dressed like a gang member and was followed. The violent little thug ended up on Zims chest, stereotype proven, where he got smoked. Sucks that people are raising their kids to be thugs or enabling this behavior. Zim saw the man in the ski mask with a chainssaw, followed him, was asttacked, then defended himself. Glad the jury saw through the political BS.

Not from your consciousness's interpretation, but from CIC's it is as true as the wavelength of blue.

Dan8267 says

Call it Crazy says

You definitely have a great imagination!!

Just because you assert something is false, does not make it so.

sbh says

and it's easy to mess with those whose bias doesn't recognize factual incidence

Huh? Market is down dodo bird. How silly.

Then you too are Adobe South.
Hey that makes you a minority, you qualify for a bunch of shit!!

Dan8267 says

SoftShell says

Wrong again.


Zimmerman is 'adobe south'...

Wow, you're really pushing it when you have to take out a color swatch to make the case that Zimmerman's skin isn't white. He looks as white as I do

dublin hillz says

and budweiser, the companies which ironically aren't even american.

...and it's the best thing to happen to beer in America, since the invention of Icehouses.

If not for InBev, we would still be drinking preservative swill.
Now thanks to them, even Gas stations have a wider range of even "Great" beers, than specially liquor stores had pre InBev.

The InBev deal was about opening markets for beers America never had before. It was all about distributorship. Although they claimed they wouldn't touch the Budweiser formula, I can't help but think they fixed it somewhat. The last Budweiser product I tasted over the holidays was actually drinkable.

CaptainShuddup says

...and it's the best thing to happen to beer in America, since the invention of Icehouses.

If not for InBev, we would still be drinking preservative swill.

Now thanks to them, even Gas stations have a wider range of even "Great" beers, than specially liquor stores had pre InBev.

The InBev deal was about opening markets for beers America never had before. It was all about distributorship. Although they claimed they wouldn't touch the Budweiser formula, I can't help but think they fixed it somewhat. The last Budweiser product I tasted over the holidays was actually drinkable.

I hope that was sarcastic. Otherwise, I'm speechless. InBev has destroyed AB and every other brand they have. Quality takes a huge backseat to $$. InBev will literally drive AB into bankruptcy.

Call it Crazy says

More baseless claims by you or do you actually have data to back it up???

Inbev buys AB for 52 Billion so they can bankrupt it??? Really??

Baseless claims? Have you followed the news at all?

They didn't buy it to bankrupt it--that is happening because of their mismanagement..

Right all the conservatives are in the hourly motel room popping Oxycontin and molesting kids from their Bible study.

I'll join the the wine and beer drinkers thanks.

The headline should read: "Liberal Drinkin' Causes Stinkin' Thinkin'"

postbubblesucess says

He looked and dressed like a gang member and was followed

I miss the seventies when all the teenagers looked and acted like drug addicted hippies.

Even most of the members of the "young republicans" had long hair and looked like godless dope smoking hippies.

It's called fashion.

Seriously, you might as well say that being a male teenager is what made TM look suspicious.

We're told George is open to fighting a black person, but the promoter is not discriminating, telling us "We're not looking at it as a race thing ... We haven't discussed purple, yellow, white, black."

Lately George has been more interested in boxing than guns ... regularly training in the ring.

As for George's cut from the fight, we're told he's donating the money to charity.

If you'd like to throw your hat in the ring for the March 1 match.

What a fucking joke.

Yeah, this won't be rigged.