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Y
2014 Apr 29, 2:37pm
1- Illegal Immigrants (II's) routinely lie to obtain employment.
2- II's that obtain employment commit perjury when they sign the I-9 form supplied by their employer.
3- II's have broken the law by simply being in the USA
4- II's lie to obtain medical care
5- II's lie when obtaining food stamps
6- II's lie when obtaining unemployment benefits
7- II's lie when registering to vote.
The reason you don't see much of this in the news is due to liberal media bias in reporting it, and due to Hispanic backlash if they did report it.
Democratic party spokesmen justify their opposition to laws requiring proof of citizenship in order to register to vote by the absurd claim that poor people do not have birth certificates or passports. But we require everyone, including the poor, to produce such documents when becoming employed for their I-9 Forms. And if that is tolerable, then it must also be tolerable for the same documents to be produced to register to vote and some sort of photo ID in order to vote.
There is a huge problem with voter fraud. And, in my opinion, it is proven by the vehemence of the Democrats, the beneficiaries of the fraud, toward enforcement of our laws.
One of hundreds of examples...
I noticed a hell of a lot of details missing.
Y
2014 Apr 29, 2:39pm
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Why should I have to provide ID to board an airplane? Surely that is no more important than voting. That just affects a few people's lives. Voting affects millions of people's lives.
Y
2014 Apr 29, 2:43pm
What you are saying below is a red herring, as the voting system is currently setup to not require proof of citizenship...so how in the hell would we know?
he number of undocumented immigrants who try to vote is almost non-existent.
Y
2014 Apr 29, 2:55pm
bottom line:
LEGAL citizens benefit if ILLEGALS do not vote.
LEGAL citizens should be the ones making the decisions in this country.
. But we require everyone, including the poor, to produce such documents when becoming employed for their I-9 Forms
Huffington post doesn't know what they are talking about. The I-9 doesn't require a birth certificate or a passport. You can use a ss card and pretty much any picture id including a student ID. Illegals all have fake ss cards and picture IDs anyway.
What you are saying below is a red herring, as the voting system is currently setup to not require proof of citizenship...so how in the hell would we know?
he number of undocumented immigrants who try to vote is almost non-existent.
Then how are you so sure they are voting?
A national ID card can serve multiple purposes...so easy to cost-effectively implement with today's technology....
You'll have to provide another avenue of reasoning as to why such a thing is bad for the country.
Suppressing votes doesn't fly.
Who is going to pay for the national ID card?
What also is moronic is the left's resistance to, and reasons to suppress voter/national ID cards.
A national ID card can serve multiple purposes...so easy to cost-effectively implement with today's technology....
Great idea, it worked terrific in communist and fascist countries. You seriously want the government to have more information about you then they already do or is this trolling bullshit?
FortWayne
2014 Apr 30, 12:33am
A national ID card can serve multiple purposes...so easy to cost-effectively implement with today's technology....
You'll have to provide another avenue of reasoning as to why such a thing is bad for the country.
Suppressing votes doesn't fly.
Who is going to pay for the national ID card?
Why not require passport to vote? It's not far fetched, and every citizen does have one, or at least should.
Why not require passport to vote? It's not far fetched, and every citizen does have one, or at least should.
I just renewed my passport, it cost $110. Would you change the burden of cost to the issuer if making a passport a requirement to vote?
HydroCabron
2014 Apr 30, 12:56am
Who is going to pay for the national ID card?
Other people!
Don't tax you, don't tax me!
Just tax the guy behind that tree!
Since a national ID card makes so much sense, I think a federal electronic gun registry also is a great idea: If one makes sense, so does the other!
Why not require passport to vote? It's not far fetched, and every citizen does have one, or at least should.
There are 109 million passports for 311 million citizens. Not every citizen has one.
Since a national ID card makes so much sense, I think a federal electronic gun registry also is a great idea: If one makes sense, so does the other!
It's different. No national gun registry is about freedom and being a rugged individualist standing up for your constitutional rights. Requiring a nation id is about, is about, is about oh hell never mind I forgot I can't figure out right wing logic.
Y
2014 Apr 30, 1:04am
We will transfer birth control funding away from the Sandra Flukes of the world and put it to better use implementing national ID cards with embedded iris imprints coupled with dna samples.
A national ID card can serve multiple purposes...so easy to cost-effectively implement with today's technology....
You'll have to provide another avenue of reasoning as to why such a thing is bad for the country.
Suppressing votes doesn't fly.
Who is going to pay for the national ID card?
Y
2014 Apr 30, 1:05am
A national ID card would not contain any more information about anyone that the government doesn't already have.
Unless you have a specific example in mind...
What also is moronic is the left's resistance to, and reasons to suppress voter/national ID cards.
A national ID card can serve multiple purposes...so easy to cost-effectively implement with today's technology....
Great idea, it worked terrific in communist and fascist countries. You seriously want the government to have more information about you then they already do or is this trolling bullshit?
Y
2014 Apr 30, 1:09am
Agreed.
Surprised?
You can add gun registry information to the national ID card...have it all embedded on a chip with your iris scan and dna.
Since a national ID card makes so much sense, I think a federal electronic gun registry also is a great idea: If one makes sense, so does the other!
Y
2014 Apr 30, 1:14am
With the world population increasing exponentially, terrorist organizations on the rise, international travel increasing, more borders opening up, it's only logical that at some future point there will be a World ID card.
Why not catch the wave of the future, develop and implement the technology before china/japan does so we can create jobs now and heal the middle class in this country.
A national ID card would not contain any more information about anyone that the government doesn't already have.
Why not catch the wave of the future, develop and implement the technology before china/japan does so we can create jobs now and heal the middle class in this country.
Following your "logic" to the end conclusion then It would be more logical to put it all on a encrypted chip and implant it rather than to implement it. No lost cards, no identity theft. The police could just walk around with RF scanners.
I think you should volunteer to be in the first test batch.
Dan8267
2014 Apr 30, 1:56am
SoftShell makes a lot of assertions and provides little evidence. In contrast, independent commissions have study the alleged problem of in-person voter fraud and found only 13 cases in Pennsylvania. No solution that infringes upon a million person's voting rights in order to stop 13 illegal votes is rational. Hell 13 x 50 or 650 does not justify infringing a million legal votes.
And absentee ballet fraud is much, much more pervasive than in-person. There's more benefit to it. It scales more. And there's less risk. Yet, no conservative proposes preventing this fraud. If they really cared about stopping illegal votes, they would call for absentee ballots to be banned.
And when you get right down to it, most of SoftShell's complaints have nothing to do with voting or the illegality of immigrants and everything to do with immigration itself.
If the problem conservatives have with immigration is the illegality of it, then the solution is simple, quick, and easy. Make all immigration legal. Provide a free, quick path to citizenship. You want to be a U.S. citizen? Fill out a simple form and wowla, you're a tax paying citizen with a social security number.
Of course, this is not what conservatives want. They don't want immigrants to be legal. They want no more immigrants. And that's a perfectly fine position to take, if you are honest about it.
However, there are consequences to this like driving out all the profits that big farm makes using essentially slave labor. People in Florida will have to mow their own lawns like I do.
If conservatives had balls and honesty, they would simply come out against immigration, all immigration legal or not. Come up with a compelling case that America's population is already too high. Hell, I could make that case myself and have many times. But don't bullshit about immigration and voter law because you don't have the courage to defend the actual position you want.
The current system is the worst of all possibilities. We have massive amounts of immigration, yet
- the immigrants are doomed to live in poverty and thus use social resources payed by taxpayers
- children and adults are sent to countries they never knew
- the immigrants are abused by big farm and other corporations
- there is no tracking of people
- they don't pay taxes
- social funds like school funding is not allocated properly as a result
- more crime results from all the above, especially the poverty
- illegals are essentially treated as slaves or indentured servants with no legal rights
As much as conservatives want all the Mexicans to leave, they still need the Mexicans for cheap, slave labor. They just don't want to pay for the cost of keeping the slaves alive. That's why they don't want to solve the problem of immigration. They just want to use the issue to keep the immigrants powerless. They like the idea of a large population of slave labor that cannot vote or get benefits or a living wage. They like illegal immigration precisely because it dis-empowers and impoverishes multitudes of people. But they have to maintain the ruse that they are against it.
Conservatives, grow some balls and just come out against immigration itself.
What you are saying below is a red herring, as the voting system is currently setup to not require proof of citizenship...so how in the hell would we know?
he number of undocumented immigrants who try to vote is almost non-existent.
Then how are you so sure they are voting?
You forgot to answer the question.
We will transfer birth control funding away from the Sandra Flukes of the world and put it to better use implementing national ID cards with embedded iris imprints coupled with dna samples.
Saved.
In that case, you are not against a powerful federal government being involved in the lives of the citizenry, you are against it being involved in the lives of the citizenry only if it does so in ways you don't agree with.
You aren't against government spending and taxation, as long as it taxes and spends in ways you agree with.
Commie.
indigenous
2014 Apr 30, 2:28am
And when you get right down to it, most of SoftShell's complaints have nothing to do with voting or the illegality of immigrants and everything to do with immigration itself.
The problem I have is that Calif gives away so much to illegal immigrants. This has created a culture of subsidized people who have a culture built around this. This also gives them a big advantage over non subsidized workers.
Gee, I wonder who the 1 dislike was on my post #99 while there is 1 corresponding like on post #100.
Y
2014 Apr 30, 2:58am
There are 18 to 20 million illegal immigrants in a position to defraud the us government and their citizenry.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/9/nearly-20m-illegal-immigrants-us-ex-border-patrol/
Illegal immigrants, by definition, have intentionally broken US law just by being here. So it is a fact that this class of people have no problems ignoring/breaking US law.
While there are no concrete statistics to track illegal voting, those statistics are available for illegally obtaining food stamps, welfare checks, etc etc etc..
It is entirely logical to assume that 20 million lawbreakers, a good portion of them multiple lawbreakers, will add to that resume by voting illegally if the act is made profitable to them by any group that would benefit from their vote.
But, putting aside the illegal immigrant component, why the fuck would any US citizen want to expose the US democratic process of voting to over 70 million international visitors expected to arrive during 2014?
Quite simply, not having voter verification opens up the voting process to illegal immigrants, foreign visitors, convicts, and any other group present in the US who does not have the right to vote. Thats over 100 million potential illegal votes waiting in the wings to be bought and paid for by those that would benefit from their illegal votes...
What you are saying below is a red herring, as the voting system is currently setup to not require proof of citizenship...so how in the hell would we know?
he number of undocumented immigrants who try to vote is almost non-existent.
Then how are you so sure they are voting?
You forgot to answer the question.
Y
2014 Apr 30, 3:01am
That doesn't follow any sane person's logic..
Why not catch the wave of the future, develop and implement the technology before china/japan does so we can create jobs now and heal the middle class in this country.
Following your "logic" to the end conclusion then It would be more logical to put it all on a encrypted chip and implant it rather than to implement it.
Y
2014 Apr 30, 3:04am
I am defending the actual position I want.
We need legal immigrants to perform the functions you define in your post.
Just follow the law in implementing it...It's all about following the laws we all vote to put in place.
Quite simple, really.
If conservatives had balls and honesty, they would simply come out against immigration, all immigration legal or not. Come up with a compelling case that America's population is already too high. Hell, I could make that case myself and have many times. But don't bullshit about immigration and voter law because you don't have the courage to defend the actual position you want.
But, putting aside the illegal immigrant component, why the fuck would any US citizen want to expose the US democratic process of voting to over 70 million international visitors expected to arrive during 2014?
It is very evident that you don't have the vaguest clue how voter registration works.
It is entirely logical to assume that 20 million lawbreakers, a good portion of them multiple lawbreakers, will add to that resume by voting illegally if the act is made profitable to them by any group that would benefit from their vote
That doesn't follow any sane person's logic.
Y
2014 Apr 30, 4:04am
Two things are necessary:
1- provide proof of residency, available for free from any one of the 600,000,000 garbage cans on US curbs...
2- provide incentive (cash) to those in a position to demonize the system.
But, putting aside the illegal immigrant component, why the fuck would any US citizen want to expose the US democratic process of voting to over 70 million international visitors expected to arrive during 2014?
It is very evident that you don't have the vaguest clue how voter registration works.
Y
2014 Apr 30, 4:04am
You can't 'rest' what you don't have.
That doesn't follow any sane person's logic..
I rest my case.
Y
2014 Apr 30, 4:05am
You are entitled to your opinion.
It is entirely logical to assume that 20 million lawbreakers, a good portion of them multiple lawbreakers, will add to that resume by voting illegally if the act is made profitable to them by any group that would benefit from their vote
That doesn't follow any sane person's logic.
Dan8267
2014 Apr 30, 4:54am
Why not require passport to vote?
The government can revoke and confiscate passports. Therefore, they cannot be used as voter IDs. An ID needed for voting cannot be confiscated for any reason other than the person does not have the right to vote. Otherwise, it violates people's right to vote, which is paramount.
4- II's lie to obtain medical care
5- II's lie when obtaining food stamps
6- II's lie when obtaining unemployment benefits
Where are you getting this stuff? No undocumented immigrant is eligible food stamps or unemployment benefits (unless they pay unemployment insurance, which many do or their employers do), and there's no evidence that undocumented immigrants are fraudulently obtaining them on a wide scale. As for medical care -- I'm not sure why they would need to lie to get medical care, please explain. Not even bothering addressing #7, it's just plain stupid -- again, no undocumented immigrants gives a shit about voting; there are plenty of other problems in their life. Take off the tin foil hat (and btw, posting a Washington Times article doesn't help, especially one whose chief support is disgruntled blue collar people who have no expertise in demography).
Conservatives, grow some balls and just come out against immigration itself.
They won't because business interests love lower class undocumented immigrants for cheap labor.
The problem I have is that Calif gives away so much to illegal immigrants.
Such as?
indigenous
2014 Apr 30, 7:53am
The problem I have is that Calif gives away so much to illegal immigrants.
Such as?
Section 8 housing, WIC, emergency healthcare, children's education, child support for single mothers.
Section 8 housing, WIC, emergency healthcare, children's education, child support for single mothers.
Emergency healthcare is not unique to California. Children's education is not unique to California.
Last I checked, none of the rest are going to illegal immigrants.
indigenous
2014 Apr 30, 8:04am
Emergency healthcare is not unique to California. Children's education is not unique to California.
Last I checked, none of the rest are going to illegal immigrants.
My understanding is that 1/3 of the welfare in the US goes to Calif with 12% of the population. Unless that is not true, Calif is doing a shit load of welfare that is unique to Calif.
Y
2014 Apr 30, 8:15am
Food Stamps:
* over 47 million participants as of 2013...
* 4% are not citizens
* 1,888,000 non-citizens are receiving food stamps
Undocumented immigrants are ineligible for SNAP. Additionally, there is already a strict waiting period for documented immigrants. Documented adult immigrants (those with a greencard) are subject to a five-year waiting period before they are eligible for SNAP.
Noncitizens make up a very small portion of SNAP participants – only 4% of participants are noncitizens (documented immigrants
http://feedingamerica.org/how-we-fight-hunger/programs-and-services/public-assistance-programs/supplemental-nutrition-assistance-program/snap-myths-realities.aspx
http://www.fns.usda.gov/pd/29snapcurrpp.htm
4- II's lie to obtain medical care
5- II's lie when obtaining food stamps
6- II's lie when obtaining unemployment benefitsWhere are you getting this stuff?
Y
2014 Apr 30, 8:21am
Medical Care:
Under federal law, hospitals are required to provide emergency room care to everyone, regardless of ability to pay or immigration status.
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/stories/2012/october/11/health-care-immigrants.aspx
4- II's lie to obtain medical care
5- II's lie when obtaining food stamps
6- II's lie when obtaining unemployment benefitsWhere are you getting this stuff?
Y
2014 Apr 30, 8:30am
Unemployment benefits being shortchanged due to illegal immigrants claiming false childcare benefits:
How easy it is.....
The ease with which the fraud is committed was revealed by an investigative reporter in Indiana in 2012:
An undocumented worker in southern Indiana told 13 Investigates just how easy it truly is.
He said four other illegal immigrants file tax returns using his address, even though none of them actually lives there. And he said this year those four workers filed tax returns claiming 20 children live inside his small trailer home. As a result, the IRS sent the illegal immigrants tax refunds totaling more than $29,000.
But none of the 20 children listed as dependents on the tax returns live in Indiana — or even in the United States.
"No, they don't live here," admitted the undocumented worker, who lives with his young daughter. "The other kids are in their country of origin, which is Mexico."
http://www.cis.org/cadman/gaming-system-illegal-aliens-1-unemployed-americans-0
And how this affects your unemployment benefits....
“I am not surprised that Senator Reid is backtracking,†said David North. The immigration-law expert praised GOP Sen. Kelly Ayotte, R-N.H., for her amendment to halt IRS child tax-credit refunds going to illegal immigrants.
“Whether you are a Republican or a Democrat, you could not fail to be impressed by Sen. Ayotte’s move,†North told Watchdog.org.
The policy analyst with the Center for Immigration Studies, called Ayotte’s gambit “a stroke of genius.â€
“It provides money to the unemployed while taking undeserved tax refunds away from illegal aliens,†North said.
http://directorblue.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/yep-harry-reid-blocks-unemployment.html
4- II's lie to obtain medical care
5- II's lie when obtaining food stamps
6- II's lie when obtaining unemployment benefitsWhere are you getting this stuff?
indigenous
2014 Apr 30, 9:18am
Unemployment benefits being shortchanged due to illegal immigrants claiming false childcare benefits:
Good Work SoftShell, What about single mothers getting child support from the state?
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/04/07/the-less-americans-know-about-ukraines-location-the-more-they-want-u-s-to-intervene/
I'm guessing that the further away their guesses were from Ukraine's actual location, the more likely they were to
- be religious
- oppose marriage equality
- reject evolution
- support voter ID laws designed to keep minorities from voting
- want to cut "entitlements" but not the military
Can we just admit that one third of Americans are just plain stupid and should not be allowed to vote or reproduce?
When you place the Ukraine inside the borders of the continental United States, you shouldn't have a voice when it comes to important decisions.