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47242   FortWayne   2014 Jun 13, 4:41am  

He is either delusional or a big liar.

47243   tatupu70   2014 Jun 13, 4:54am  

jkaldi1 says

if you remove outsourcing , you will quickly see that our productivity is not
increasing.
infact, our labor cost will be one of the highest

Source? Data?

47244   Dan8267   2014 Jun 13, 6:03am  

FortWayne says

He is either delusional or a big liar.

Not about this period of human history being the least violent so far. That's just a hard core fact. Just because Obama says something, doesn't make it suddenly turn false. You guys are just blacktracking.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/ezzYJnb5A50

47245   FortWayne   2014 Jun 13, 6:31am  

Dan8267 says

Not about this period of human history being the least violent so far. That's just a hard core fact. Just because Obama says something, doesn't make it suddenly turn false. You guys are just blacktracking.

I understand you like Bill Maher, he is a funny man. But this does not apply. I didn't support war during Bush era, and I don't support Obamas doing the same too.

47246   Howdy There   2014 Jun 13, 6:52am  

"Then why do the police need body armor and tanks?"

If I was a cop, I'd want body armour and wouldn't understand why anyone would deny me that. Tanks are a bit much. I'd want to be able to get my hands on an assault rifle because everyone else gets them too. What cop wouldn't want to be at least as well equipped as the criminals and general public?

47247   indigenous   2014 Jun 13, 7:09am  

To the original point Brat frequents the Mises org

How cool is that?

47248   Vicente   2014 Jun 13, 7:17am  

Howdy There says

Henry Ford made an interesting observation on paying his employees enough to be able to afford his cars, but it was flawed.

Henry Ford was full of PR bullshit.

He didn't raise wages due to visionary greatness.

He had 300% turnover and it was necessary to stop it.

47249   Dan8267   2014 Jun 13, 7:20am  

FortWayne says

But this does not apply. I didn't support war during Bush era, and I don't support Obamas doing the same too.

Then you are the exception. Most republicans have blacktracked on issues as soon as Obama has embraced them. Just look at Maher's examples or Syria. All republicans were gun ho to go to war until Obama suggested the U.S. would intervene. Then all of a sudden, they said war was a terrible idea and we needed a diplomatic solution. Then when Obama got one -- albeit from Biden's goof that the president of Syria could turn over all his chemical weapons -- they objected to diplomatic solutions!

By the way, that Biden goof did more to make the world safe than all of Bush's and Obama's anti-liberty, er, anti-terrorism policies.

47250   Dan8267   2014 Jun 13, 7:43am  

Call it Crazy says

Don’t talk to anyone, don’t record anything you might happen to see, but come visit us and we’ll give you a sanitized story with only the photos and accounts we want you to have,

Sounds like every government operation ever. What does this have to do with Obama?

47251   Automan Empire   2014 Jun 13, 7:45am  

Since Obama's opponents think nothing of making dead soldiers and diplomats into political whipping posts, it makes good sense not to offer more grist to the bullshit mill. Some news channels and politicians should have been cut off completely long ago.

47252   dublin hillz   2014 Jun 13, 7:47am  

Christians who rely on old testament demonstrate that they don't believe in jesus as lord and savior so how are they different from the jews?

47253   dublin hillz   2014 Jun 13, 7:50am  

If everyone were to save all their disposable income, they could buy emerging market bond fund and never have to work again but then if everyone did that the yield would get reduced to zirp level. Dammit!

47254   Howdy There   2014 Jun 13, 7:59am  

"They have MRAPs???"

I tracked down the original article. The military is giving over outdated equipment to law enforcement. Clearly this is just an environmental program, you know Reuse.

Seriously though, MRAPs themselves are pretty much defensive unlike a tank or AFV. In high risk areas it might be justified, although I'm betting many police forces will get rid of them due to maintenance costs and lack of use. The most likely use for MRAPs by police is during G8 summits and such where there might actually be IEDs.

NVGs seem fair enough. Anyone can get them. I'm assuming the aircraft are just regular stuff, like the light planes that are used for spotting pot fields in rural areas or helicopters to provide overwatch during car chases (no gunships.)

Machine guns (which probably means assault rifles and submachine guns instead of actual machine guns) are another issue. If patrolmen start carrying 'machine guns' as a matter of course, then there is a problem. Having them available, in today's current era of 'less violence than ever in history,' is fair enough.

As an aside, I'm betting no police forces have actual tanks. Tanks have heavy armour, tracked mobility and an offensive anti-armour cannon.

47255   Tenpoundbass   2014 Jun 13, 8:12am  

If it makes you feel any better he didn't say stone.
Would strangulation be a more desirable phrase?

I'm curious just what in your limited demented world was the way it was actually phrased that you felt it needed embellishing with "Stoning".

If anyone on in Washington is capable of going all "floor kisser" on us, and stoning someone to death for not sharing their views. Would be the Kenyan Terrorist and his Taliban cohort Nancy "Li-li-li-li-li-li" Pelosi.

47256   FortWayne   2014 Jun 13, 8:14am  

Even Bill Maher admits and complains about police being overly militarized.

Remember that child who was injured by a police grenade that stormed completely wrong family?

http://www.gofundme.com/9mih84

47257   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2014 Jun 13, 8:53am  

CaptainShuddup says

If it makes you feel any better he didn't say stone.

Would strangulation be a more desirable phrase?

I'm curious just what in your limited demented world was the way it was actually phrased that you felt it needed embellishing with "Stoning".

What part of "most awesome Internet troll ever" did you not understand?

47258   Howdy There   2014 Jun 13, 8:57am  

FortWayne, hadn't heard of that one. Definitely a tragedy, and the lack of police remorse reported is astounding. They should have been begging forgiveness for their error and offering every bit of support they could. They were probably advised against doing so for legal reasons (whole other thread right there.)

Had they stormed the correct house, the flashbang grenade used as a diversionary device could have saved a police officer's life. This case is evidence that when weapons are used in error there can be devastating effects, but not that the weapons are inappropriate when used properly.

Let's extend this logic. If you take this case as evidence that police should be less militarized because things can go wrong, what does that mean for the general population? Should we consider some form of ban on privately held weapons because they can be misused? Nancy Lanza didn't intend for her firearms to be used the way there were any more than the police intended to cause the harm they did with baby Bou Bou.

47259   ttsmyf   2014 Jun 13, 9:08am  

WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

Say hey! This was in the Wall Street Journal on March 30, 1999. Note "... how much it will buy."

Holy cow/interesting/compelling ...!

And where is it up to date??? Right here ... see the first chart shown in this thread.
Recent Dow day is Friday, June 13, 2014 __ Level is 105.6

WOW! It is hideous that this is hidden! Is there any such "Homes, Inflation Adjusted"? Yes! This was in the New York Times on August 27, 2006:

And up to date (by me) is here:
http://patrick.net/?p=1219038&c=999083#comment-999083

WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

And "ThePublic Be Suckered"
http://patrick.net/?p=1230886

47260   Automan Empire   2014 Jun 13, 9:27am  

I didn't watch the ted talk during work, but sociologists and epidemioligists cite removal of lead from paint and other products is one of the leading drivers of reduction of crime since the '70s. Pretty interesting to me!

47261   lakermania   2014 Jun 13, 9:59am  

" The global peace index score has deteriorated 5 percent in the last 6 years"

http://www.visionofhumanity.org/pdf/gpi/2013_Global_Peace_Index_Report.pdf

47262   New Renter   2014 Jun 13, 11:29am  

Rin says

Well, in comparison to let's say the 20th century with WWI, the Red-White Russian Civil War (plus Spain), WWII (plus genocide), the Cold War (which includes Korea, Vietnam, etc), and all of the Stalin/Mao/Pol Pot purges, that's already circa ~200M dead persons in a world with half of today's population.

But realize, the century's young, so we still have another 86 years to catch up with the last one.

Well we are just a few short weeks from the 100th anniversary of the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand.

That's June 28th, mark your calenders!

Up to that point the 20th century had been relatively calm too. That one assassination triggered WWI, the Red-White Russian Civil War (plus Spain), WWII (plus genocide), the Cold War (which includes Korea, Vietnam, etc), and probably all of the Stalin/Mao/Pol Pot purges

(famous picture from the Munich Odeonplatz taken on August 2 1914 . The photo shows the announcement of Germany's entry into the war to a cheering crowd.)

There's Waldo.

47263   Rin   2014 Jun 13, 11:41am  

CL says

Does New Renter use the same hallucinogens you do? And where do WE get some? :)

It's all very simple... work for a bunch of a-holes, then see the similarities, academic vs work world, and then, you'll get it.

The work world sucks. The only meaningful world is that of those who only work on their own activities.

47264   New Renter   2014 Jun 13, 11:47am  

CL says

Does New Renter use the same hallucinogens you do? And where do WE get some? :)

Take a few courses in organic chemistry and you'll never need to ask that question again.

But please, be careful when you get to the Grignard reactions!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grignard_reaction

47265   bob2356   2014 Jun 13, 1:17pm  

Call it Crazy says

bob2356 says

Call it Crazy says

No, Bob just "thinks" he knows more because he's........

....delusional too, just like the duck....

Ditto.

I'm glad that you agree with that assessment of you!!

Understanding that you have a problem is the first step to recovery!!

Ditto my comment to indigenious not your comment. Try to keep up.

47266   bob2356   2014 Jun 13, 1:40pm  

Call it Crazy says

bob2356 says

Nothing like a little critical thinking.

Exactly... The soon you start with that, the better off you'll be!

So your idea of critical thinking is just mouthing whatever blather you find on some internet blog? Perfect.

My question still stands. Why don't fidelitie's numbers jive with Medicare spending? Of course in your world that would mean medicare is lying about their spending. After all fidelity is an IRA company. There is certainly nothing to be gained for them if they juiced up their numbers to scare people into saving more. Nothing at all.

Before you start your idiotic ranting, I don't know or care if fidelity did or didn't twist their numbers. I just know the numbers that you seem to have an almost religious belief in don't add up. Your response so far is strictly trolling 101 shuck and jive. Of course I expect nothing less.

47267   thomaswong.1986   2014 Jun 13, 1:40pm  

Call it Crazy says

The world is less violent than it has ever been. It is healthier than it has ever been. It is more tolerant than it has ever been. It is better fed then it’s ever been. It is more educated than it’s ever been."

Clearly not talking about Chicago these days... guess he had no problem

dealing with Coke dealers who shot up his neighborhood...

47268   thomaswong.1986   2014 Jun 13, 1:42pm  

Howdy There says

I'm betting no police forces have actual tanks. Tanks have heavy armour, tracked mobility and an offensive anti-armour cannon.

LAPD come knocking on your door...see the : )

47269   Howdy There   2014 Jun 13, 2:03pm  

The smiley face is covering a ram not a cannon. Has armour. Not a tracked vehicle. 1 out of 3 criteria = not a tank.

http://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/los-angeles-police-museum-los-angeles?select=jTJqst7ALEQ-TN53V99Jyg#jTJqst7ALEQ-TN53V99Jyg

47270   Strategist   2014 Jun 13, 2:13pm  

Call it Crazy says

Boy, I hope Obama has a great round on the golf course this weekend and can shoot maybe 6 over par...

You know, he needs to have PRIORITIES!!!

You left out the economy. Maybe he does not think it's a problem.

47271   thomaswong.1986   2014 Jun 13, 2:17pm  

Howdy There says

Not a tracked vehicle. 1 out of 3 criteria = not a tank.

may not have a big gun... but tanks dont always have tracks to be tanks.

so at best 2 out of 3.

47272   Howdy There   2014 Jun 13, 2:31pm  

Tanks do have to have tracks.

http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/american-tanks.asp

Or try googling "what is an army tank".

47273   Ceffer   2014 Jun 13, 2:51pm  

Selfish, retard Old Fucks! That money could pay off a MillXYer's education loans.

47274   Ceffer   2014 Jun 13, 2:54pm  

Maybe OJ and the son tag teamed them.

47275   thomaswong.1986   2014 Jun 13, 3:05pm  

Howdy There says

Tanks do have to have tracks.

http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/american-tanks.asp

Or try googling "what is an army tank".

have it your way...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonov_A-40

47276   Howdy There   2014 Jun 13, 3:21pm  

Seriously?

The Antonov A-40, which admittedly doesn't have tracks, was the plane/delivery system and not the tank. The specs identify that the Antonov A-40 carried a Russian T-60, which had tracks. If in doubt, look at the picture which shows a tracked vehicle with a plane attached, or the other way around if you prefer.

Even this obscure example has tracks.

47277   bob2356   2014 Jun 13, 4:03pm  

Howdy There says

Had they stormed the correct house, the flashbang grenade used as a diversionary device could have saved a police officer's life. This case is evidence that when weapons are used in error there can be devastating effects, but not that the weapons are inappropriate when used properly.

You really need to read up on what these weapons are, where they are going, and how they are being used instead of blindly defending them.

Had they stormed the correct house? This was supposed to be the correct house. The police story has changed several times already. The police team made a buy at the house, an informant made a buy at the house, there were armed men outside the house, there was no one outside the house.

The guy they were after was a low level drug dealer. WTF is so urgent about popping someone over a $50 meth sale (no weapons or drugs were found anywhere, where did they go?) that the swat team needed to storm the house at 3am 18 hours after the alleged drug buy? We're not talking the french connection here. Why not s simple stake out for a day or two until the guy leaves the house or shows up at the house? You know, the old fashioned non macho big dick way that got the job done but didn't get people killed. Then they would have known exactly who was or was not in the house. Of course if you are just going to do things the old fashioned way you miss out on getting lots of cool toys and lots of drug fighting grant money from the federal government.

How can there be an appropriate use for this kind of force when the people using it can't get simple police procedure or their stories together?

Side note the ada says the alleged drug dealer could be charged for the injuries to the baby.

47278   Howdy There   2014 Jun 13, 4:25pm  

Hey Bob,

"This was supposed to be the correct house. The police story has changed several times already."

"...no weapons or drugs were found anywhere, where did they go?"

"Then they would have known exactly who was or was not in the house."

"How can there be an appropriate use for this kind of force when the people using it can't get simple police procedure or their stories together?"

They made serious mistakes. Maybe charges should be pending. I won't argue that. Getting the wrong address seems unbelievably incompetent.

But tell me this. Would you want a family member to go into a criminal's house without body armour, diversionary grenades and weapons equivalent to what the criminals are likely to have?

If you have some critical evidence on the nature of these weapons that I'm not aware of, I'm interested in hearing it, instead of blindly condemning them.

47279   bob2356   2014 Jun 13, 5:39pm  

Howdy There says

But tell me this. Would you want a family member to go into a criminal's house without body armour, diversionary grenades and weapons equivalent to what the criminals are likely to have?

I would expect a family member who was a cop to have enough sense to not go rushing into anyone's house with an assault team loaded with automatic weapons over $50 worth of meth from a know drug dealer. Cops know who these guys are and where they can be found. They can find them and arrest them easy enough in most cases with some plain old police work. Once a police force has a lot of hardware and is paying big bucks for training swat people there is a lot of pressure to use it to justify the cost.

Howdy There says

If you have some critical evidence on the nature of these weapons that I'm not aware of, I'm interested in hearing it, instead of blindly condemning them.

Read it again. I'm not blindly condemning the weapons. I'm condemning the overkill the weapons generate. Use it or lose it. Do you know that an ever increasing number of states require swat teams for all felony arrests. A dawn swat team (on overtime) for check kiters, embezzlers, or tax evaders hardly seems like a justified use of taxpayer dollars when a couple of guys on regular patrol could just knock on the door. Over 90% of crimes are property crimes, not running down dangerous felons. Burglers and car thieves are almost never armed. Not to mention that things can go badly wrong with swat team raids even under the best of circumstances.

Where is all the danger to police that justifies the use of this hardware? The number of police deaths per year have been steadily declining since the 60's from the low to mid 200 a year range to around 150 a year. Since there are 900k police today vs 400k in 1970 it means a cop on the street has 1/3 the chance of being killed in 2014 than in 1970. Don't bother to argue it is because of the military hardware is being used. The trend downward has been flat since before all the military hardware really came pouring into police forces in the last 10 years.

Perhaps, a big perhaps, a single regional swat team could be justified. But there are many places where there are multiple overlapping teams within a small area. This just doesn't make sense. Cornelia, where we are talking, about is a town of 3500 people 1.5 hours from Atlanta with nothing around it. What possible justification can there be for a multijurisdictional SWAT team in a town of 3500 in the middle of no where? Be serious. It took them 18 hours to put together the raid. They could have driven in a swat team from Miami or NY in less than 18 hours for christ sakes, never mind Atlanta.

47280   bob2356   2014 Jun 13, 5:58pm  

indigenous says

Nope just a typo

It's not a typo, it's a totally incorrect usage.

indigenous says

Kant was the guy who was trying to teach Elephants German irregular verbs, yea lot of knowledge there.

How does trying to teach elephants german irregular verbs prove or disprove his lack of knowledge? Anyway Metaphysics of Morals was a philosophical work not auto biographical. I actually had to read it for second year college philosophy. That was heavy going.

47281   bob2356   2014 Jun 13, 6:08pm  

Ceffer says

Maybe OJ and the son tag teamed them.

They were part of the zionist new world order. It was a false flag operation to start a global war against leggy blondes. Nicole's father was from kansas, he knew someone that lived in ethiopia, who was second cousin to someone who once lived in isreal for 5 minutes who dated a girl from hong kong who had the exact same initials as James A. de Rothschild second wife's grandmother. That is why Nicole had to die, it's perfectly clear. See it's all tied together..

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