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APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

Horiuchi took out Vicky Weaver on Clinton's watch.

Exactly!

More right thinking from Ambush at Ruby Ridge:

To: Joe 6-pack
And this was the Clintons! Imagine what 0bama will authorize and do! These agencies must be salivating at all the conservatives they can take down!
7 posted on 11/11/2008 12:01:49 PM by TenthAmendmentChampion (Don't blame me, I voted for John McCain and Sarah Palin. Well, for Sarah Palin, anyway.)

The amazing thing about the CRA is the delayed explosion of a bomb that destroyed our economy, along with all goodness and niceness in America, plus motherhood.

Think of it: enacted 1977, detonated 2007. The ultimate sleeper device.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

Easy to conflate the events given the distance now and the focus on key actors like special forces, Horiuchi, etc. But is it an article of faith among the tea baggers that Clinton ordered the fire at will protocol at the Weavers?

Boring!

Stop trying to discuss and step back into character. What's the matter with you?!

Shit, I didn't come to the Internet for reasoned discourse! Blech!

More hirsute lesbians taking Ballantyne Ale pisses on realtors frozen to the sidewalk!

So Bush spent $3,500,000,000,003.74 to go there, and didn't bother to destroy those chemical weapons?

Nah, "there were no WMDs in Iraq".

You know where that gas came from?
The Reagan Administration. The special envoy to Saddam was Rummsfeld.

WaPo article re-posted by Common Dreams:
https://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/1230-04.htm

When Saddam Gassed the Kurds, we lied and blamed Iran.

But I doubt that facility has any working material.

Besides, ISIS already got chemical weapons from Saudi Arabia and used them in Syria. Like in the 80s with Saddam, we lied and blamed Assad.

The problem with realism as a major justification in foreign policy is that yesterday's friend may be tomorrow's enemy. See Afghanistan.

Shit, the NSA must be freaking out.

Thanks, ObamaCare.

Call it Crazy says

Iraq crisis: Isis jihadists 'seize Saddam Hussein's chemical weapons stockpile

All the other headlines read chemical weapons facility, not stockpile. Only the telegraph used the word stockpile. The US military spokesman said today there aren't any usable weapons there. The UN said there weren't any usable weapons there in 2004.

So yes Bush lied.

WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

Say hey! This was in the Wall Street Journal on March 30, 1999. Note "... how much it will buy."

Holy cow/interesting/compelling ...!

And where is it up to date??? Right here ... see the first chart shown in this thread.
Recent Dow day is Thursday, June 19, 2014 __ Level is 106.2

WOW! It is hideous that this is hidden! Is there any such "Homes, Inflation Adjusted"? Yes! This was in the New York Times on August 27, 2006:

And up to date (by me) is here:
http://patrick.net/?p=1219038&c=999083#comment-999083

WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

And "ThePublic Be Suckered"
http://patrick.net/?p=1230886

Call it Crazy says

Chemical weapons produced at the Al Muthanna facility, which Isis today seized, are believed to have included mustard gas, Sarin, Tabun, and VX.

The remaining chemical weapons from Saddam Hussein's regime are stored in two sealed bunkers, both located at the Al Muthanna Chemicals Weapons Complex, a large site in the western desert some 80km north west of Baghdad.

So Bush could not find any.
Obama could not find any.
But the Jihadis found them. NSA should be hiring the Jihadis.

Call it Crazy says

bob2356 says

All the other headlines read chemical weapons facility, not stockpile. Only the telegraph used the word stockpile.

I guess you didn't read this part of the article:

Stockpiles of chemical munitions are still stored there. Although declared, the bunkers contents have yet to be confirmed.

These areas of the compound pose a hazard to civilians and potential blackmarketers.

But, I'm glad you were there to verify the contents!!!

So let's not get too worked up until someone other than a 6th century wannabe can "verify the contents".

After all one man's biological weapon of mass destruction is another's package of rancid bacon.

New Renter says

Call it Crazy says

bob2356 says

All the other headlines read chemical weapons facility, not stockpile. Only the telegraph used the word stockpile.

I guess you didn't read this part of the article:

Stockpiles of chemical munitions are still stored there. Although declared, the bunkers contents have yet to be confirmed.

These areas of the compound pose a hazard to civilians and potential blackmarketers.

But, I'm glad you were there to verify the contents!!!

So let's not get too worked up until someone other than a 6th century wannabe can "verify the contents".

After all one man's biological weapon of mass destruction is another's package of rancid bacon.

Well, that means we have to find them as our friends the Jihadis have taken them. We never found them before.
They could be on their way to New York.

Strategist says

They could be on their way to New York.

or boston - the symbolism of the patriots "winning" those superbowls cannot be overlooked

Pot use causes delusions and narcissism.

Heraclitusstudent says

Strategist says

I would imagine recoveries would be accompanied by higher borrowing. We might need more debt for a real recovery to take hold.

I guess a period of healing was in order. Now loans are growing again.

Without wage gains, this indeed will lead us to the next crisis - but it will take years to get there.

And again, folks confuse potentially ephemeral capital gains for real wealth.

When the tide goes out again,.....

It all sounds great, now how do the have nots convince the haves to go along with it?

Aside from a bloody armed uprising that is.

When they become a Man, they'll put away childish things.

What no official 4:20 smoke breaks, required by law?

Question: How many Bush administration officials does it take to replace a broken lightbulb?

Answer: There's nothing wrong with that bulb!

Yup they should not have gone into Iraq, but leaving zero troops there is O's mistake.

Call it Crazy says

Funny, Bush ordered the surge, and things really quieted down in the country. Obama, as part of his second round campaigning, ordered all troops out of Iraq, totally AGAINST the judgment of all his top generals and his other military advisors.

The country goes to shit as a result of Obama's orders and he doesn't even leave a support group to help...

But some how, it's Bush's fault now for the CURRENT situation.... Hmmm...

The algorithm is simple, really: if problem which occurred during or was caused by previous administrations is solved - take credit, if not - blame predecessor.

WTF that is Marxist crap. The Rolling Stone, Salon, NY times are in the same category.

Call it Crazy says

Funny, Bush ordered the surge, and things really quieted down in the country.

The surge coincided with the end of a spasm of sectarian violence - some factions lost their funding and weapons at the same time.

Obama, as part of his campaigning, ordered all troops out of Iraq, totally AGAINST the judgment of all his top generals and his other military advisors.

Obama withdrew troops to honor the a status-of-forces agreement signed between Maliki and the Bush State Department before Obama took office. End of story.

I'm sure that if Obama had violated this agreement, conservatives would have had many nice things to say about Obama.

You should stay away from the Iraq issue: your low level of understanding here is hurting what remains of your credibility after spamming this forum with so many mindless Chicken Little anti-ACA threads.

They forgot free marijuana and guaranteed surrogates to adopt and pay for your kids if you don't feel like raising them.

"Life is a Commune!"

This communal idea has been tried before.

Its my webname^5th.

I will add a 6th dimension. - That burger flippers make the same as a Physician - this is really fair!

Call it Crazy says

Yep, there has never been in history any conflicts between Iraq and Iran and Iran has never sent or supported any attackers in Iraq... ever...

Got it!!

I suspected it before but now I actually believe you really are too stupid and/or uninformed to be a real person. ISIS is a sunni group funded and supplied by saudi arabia. Iran is a shia country just like the current government in iraq. Iran and Iraq had a war when Hussein and the sunni's were in power in Iraq.

It is far better to remain silent and appear to be a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt. Mark Twain.

Communist Manifesto:

http://www.gradesaver.com/communist-manifesto/study-guide/section2/

While Marx acknowledges that the revolution will be different in different countries, he includes an outline of its likely course in advanced capitalistic nations: (in Marx's words, 104)
1. Abolition of private property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of the rights of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of wastelands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal liability of all labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of the population over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.

Rolling Stone should be censored for Plagarism - Its not nice to copy someone elses Manifesto and then publish it as if it were Rolling Stones idea!!!

Call it Crazy says

And I guess the generals were unaware of this agreement when they made their recommendations to Obama after 2009, because it must have been so Top Secret, that they didn't know the terms and conditions of it, you know, they were just generals with no experience, making recommendations without any previous knowledge..

Generals make military recommendations which don't (or shouldn't) have any consideration of political agreements.

Call it Crazy says

And I guess the generals were unaware of this agreement when they made their recommendations to Obama after 2009, because it must have been so Top Secret, that they didn't know the terms and conditions of it, you know, they were just generals with no experience, making recommendations without any previous knowledge..

What's with all the sarcasm?

I guess you're still angry at Bush for all the times he ignored the advice of generals, then?

Call it Crazy says

Funny, Bush ordered the surge, and things really quieted down in the country. Obama, as part of his campaigning, ordered all troops out of Iraq, totally AGAINST the judgment of all his top generals and his other military advisors.

The country goes to shit as a result of Obama's orders and he doesn't even leave a support group to help...

But some how, it's Bush's fault now for the CURRENT situation.... Hmmm...

We have this assymettrical warfare.

A) These Gangs dont march their troop on top of soil in the open like Hitler.

1) Clinton did not have the will to get OBL when he bombed two embassies in a "stealth" secretive attach. (See A) He did a test early in the basement of the WTC.
2) This embolded OBL and his venture capitol group for terror to attack with 4 Plane destroying NYC and P-gon.
3) We got one dictator, in the non-ideal fashion (see A)
4) The surged worked, but the terrorists have funding and will.
5) We downscaled in Iraq, the terrorists move in.
6) But several other countries in the Meds upper and lower East side get rid of their dictators.
7) Bad Drug and Religious gangs seeing their support fall step it up.
8) Obama does nothing in Syria. Russia sees this and goes into Ukraine.
9) Korea sees this and tests missiles frequently
10) China sees this and is trying to gain islands around their sea in conflict with Japan, Vietnam etc.
11) The complete lack of foreign policy, the fast withdrawals is saying to all communists (or wish they were ) countries that we are losing our will, and so with that Europe as well.
12) Drug cartels are still in control in many parts of Mexico.

Clinton, Bush, made mistakes that they wish they would have dont differently (See A).

But Obama is undoing all the work of Reagan, Clinton and Bush in support of Terrorist and Communist Regimes. That Terrorist/Drug Cartels and Communist Regimes have more in common with each other than Liberty Egalitarism, and Freedom.

This is a Cluster and Obama's passivity is the root cause.

Dems=Repubs, funny that some still manage to get a kick out of the one-party system. To war with Oceania! ;)

"Handing Bush a major victory, the Democratic-led Senate voted 77-23 for a war powers resolution negotiated between the White House and congressional leaders backing a possible use of force to rid Iraq of suspected weapons of mass destruction and possibly oust Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

The Republican-led House earlier on Thursday passed it 296-133."

Addendum:

Obama uses "A" from above to justify NSA spying. I am on the fence about this, but may be one of the things he is doing correctly.

But if we do nothing to stop the progress of past or Current communist/dictatorial countries, the probability of a terrible conflict increases dramatically.

bgamall4 says

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/five-economic-reforms-millennials-should-be-fighting-for-20140103

January 3, 2014 10:00 AM ET It's a new year, but one thing hasn't changed: The economy still blows. Five years after Wall Street crashed, America's banker-gamblers have only gotten richer, while huge swaths of the country are still drowning in personal debt, tens of millions of Americans remain unemployed – and the new jobs being created are largely low-wage, sub-contracted, part-time grunt work.

Thumbs down- noting in that plan that is helpful just recycled rabble rousing.

bgamall4 says

I believe a wealth tax, not even yearly, would balance the budget. We have assets worth too much compared to income and every economist knows it.

that's rich-taking people's money would balance the budget- the assumption there is it's better for the government to have the money than individuals. Is it because the government is such a grand responsible steward of money? or that they worked for it or deserve it? that they wouldn't use it to fight more wars or institute tyranny?

bgamall4 says

10. Free education for all children in public schools.

"free" public education is very costly and in many instances amounts to nothing more than day care, indoctrination or worse -a dangerous place to be.

bgamall4 says

Capitalism has been tried before a failed as well.

Capitalism fails when the capitalists find willing partners in government to back stop their failures, subsidize their success, and write laws to keep competitors at bay, thus ensuring that they reap all the gains without having to serve their customers.

RE Cartoon in post 2... looks like clever use of Guernica imagery.

Selective Memory is an interesting Anthropological Effect:

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/4540958/ns/nbc_nightly_news_with_brian_williams/t/osama-bin-laden-missed-opportunities/

indigenous says

The US spent what 2 trillion on this exercise, but now we should just throw that away?

You prefer throwing good money after bad? Hey, I have a couple houses over here you might like to buy...

https://www.ted.com/talks/sean_gourley_on_the_mathematics_of_war