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Right wingers are just as much statists as the left

They are very loyal to the state. Just most whites are inherently racist against blacks

bgamall4 says

dodgerfanjohn says

Now you are just flat out lying. Your interpretation of events omits relevant facts.

Again I ask Marcus, why do you hate facts and evidence?

I assume it's due to your racist bias.

Why did the officer use inflammatory language right at the beginning to tell those boys to get off the road? It wasn't necessary and it started the ball rolling. It could have been avoided entirely.

Okay so it's official.. When some people or perhaps even many people have childhood trauma or even a bad childhood, their brains don't develop properly and what you get is ignorance and IQs that are probably below 90 which allows them to believe in false stories.

That's the only way I can explain this. Anyone else want to give it a shot?

SBH...it's a step up.

curious2 says

Quigley says

Dollar Tree, etc are being looted.

Who in the world loots a Dollar Tree?

How long you been with Prime??

bgamall4 says

I was in a store one time

It's not that they are dumb.
It's not that they don't have a clue.
They riot for the sake of rioting.
They loot for the sake of looting.
All they need is a semblance of a reason.

carrieon says

The Community is hopeless when it's too dumb to understand that a grand jury consists of their own people to represent them and to override the justice system. Last night's reaction to the verdict is proof they still don't have a clue.

For you, sitting high in your vegas ivory tower, it appears to be inflammatory language.

Ghetto language is not inflammatory when used in the ghetto.
It is just a local dialect to the inhabitants.

bgamall4 says

Why did the officer use inflammatory language right at the beginning to tell those boys to get off the road?

+1.
This is the best description of the DNC I've ever read...

spydah_hh says

When some people or perhaps even many people have childhood trauma or even a bad childhood, their brains don't develop properly and what you get is ignorance and IQs that are probably below 90 which allows them to believe in false stories.

Strategist says

If you had an iPhone you would have got the memo.

Or an Obamaphone!

bgamall4 says

dodgerfanjohn says

Now you are just flat out lying. Your interpretation of events omits relevant facts.

Again I ask Marcus, why do you hate facts and evidence?

I assume it's due to your racist bias.

Why did the officer use inflammatory language right at the beginning to tell those boys to get off the road? It wasn't necessary and it started the ball rolling. It could have been avoided entirely.

What? It's the only language teenagers in high crime neighborhoods understand.

zzyzzx says

Strategist says

If you had an iPhone you would have got the memo.

Or an Obamaphone!

Yeah, everyone in Ferguson has an Obamaphone, and got the message.

It is group think, it is the same with any riot. People in a group are not rational.

Same thing happened in LA in 92. You had a few gang members who got the riot going and the rest joined in.

Hell they did the same thing when the Lakers won.

It will last the same amount of time about 3 days.

indigenous says

It is group think, it is the same with any riot. People in a group are not rational.

Same thing happened in LA in 92. You had a few gang members who got the riot going and the rest joined in.

Hell they did the same thing when the Lakers won.

It will last the same amount of time about 3 days.

The real irrational act is the police just standing by watching the rioters destroy everything in sight.

Strategist says

The real irrational act is the police just standing by watching the rioters destroy everything in sight.

That part is not group think, that is a cop doing a quick tally then deciding he is out numbered. Maybe if he has a Custer mentality or an M35 it would be different.

It's beyond tragic that Americans are in uproar to the citizens of Ferguson reacting to police murdering a local kid with no repercussions. Yet those same Americans not only aren't speaking out against the fascist police state, they seem to be supporting their brutality. Bizarro world

First, they came for the Jews , and I said nothing, Because I'm not a Jew

Then, they came for the blacks, and I said nothing because I am not black

errc says

citizens of Ferguson reacting to police murdering a local kid with no repercussions.

You really see it that way? Good mota Aunt B.

Don't get me wrong the police state is becoming more and more coercive, but not in this case. Or as much as the media would have you believe, with the Rodney King case

If Brown did assault Wilson, and if there was a struggle for his gun, it wouldn't be unusual for Wilson to fear for his life. If Brown did charge Wilson after these events, lethal force is a likely outcome.

Up here in Washington state, cops kill folks who brush up against officers with their cars while fleeing, irrespective of color. That doesn't seem right at all. In these cases policy needs to change, but there have been no grand juries convened.

errc says

It's beyond tragic that Americans are in uproar to the citizens of Ferguson reacting to police murdering a local kid with no repercussions. Yet those same Americans not only aren't speaking out against the fascist police state, they seem to be supporting their brutality. Bizarro world

First, they came for the Jews , and I said nothing, Because I'm not a Jew

Then, they came for the blacks, and I said nothing because I am not black

I agree on the dangers of the police state but it has nothing to do with racism. Minority cops in the bay area will tell you the same thing, they are simply more afraid in problem districts and they know the crime statistics by race. We could start breaking that cycle with drug legalization which then wouldn't get people in problem and socially poor areas into prison into the first place. It's a start, be practical about it. Screaming racism accomplishes nothing.

Sad store owner who was robbed by Michael Brown had his store looted last night.

Robert Sproul says

Store owner who was robbed by Michael Brown had his store looted last night.

Racist! ;)

Robert Sproul says

Sad store owner who was robbed by Michael Brown had his store looted last night.

And the reason he doesn't have a M134 in hand is???

mell says

Screaming racism accomplishes nothing.

Don't tell that to Sharpton or Jackson.

indigenous says

mell says

Screaming racism accomplishes nothing.

Don't tell that to Sharpton or Jackson.

Thats how those two make their living.

bgamall4 says

This could have been avoided by a real trial.

I doubt that. It would delay the inevitable looting by blacks.

bgamall4 says

This could have been avoided by a real trial. There are conflicting reports as to Brown's actions after the initial confrontation in the cop car. Those should have been sorted out by a jury of Wilson's peers. They would have been mostly black and the prosecutor feared that.

There wasn't enough evidence to support having a real trial! The preponderance of evidence supported the cop's story, and he was just doing his job. A grand jury just decides if there is a decent chance that the person is guilty of something. This jury decided that there was not. This is why people call you nuts, Gary. Because you believe blindly in things both unseen and contrary to evidence. So when you might actually have a point about something controversial, people just assume you're still wearing your tin hat. How can you expect to gain credibility when you seem to lack judgement?

Call it Crazy says

Is this amount of retaliation to private citizens and businesses justified for the "murdering" of Brown?

IT's the wrong question. WOuld I be pissed if I were a member of the black community there ? Yes. Does it justify vandalism or violence ? Of course not. Are most of those punks out there dirt bags, yes, although most are probably kids, so that's a little harsh, but being kids doesn't excuse it.

This case is different than TRayvon Martin in that there were witnesses that saw what happened. Possibly (JUST POSSIBLY) the black community trusts the witnesses who back Johnson's story. He was there. My point being that in this case it may really be a travesty that there will be no trial, for at least 2nd degree murder.

But of course it doesn't justify the violence.

On a side note, I wonder how many businesses in Ferguson were burned down by their owners for the insurance money last night. Probably at least one or two of those.

marcus says

On a side note, I wonder how many businesses in Ferguson were burned down by their owners for the insurance money last night. Probably at least one or two of those.

On a side note how many teachers do a piss poor job?

marcus says

This case is different than TRayvon Martin in that there were witnesses that saw what happened. Possibly (JUST POSSIBLY) the black community trusts the witnesses who back Johnson's story. He was there. My point being that in this case it may really be a travesty that there will be no trial, for at least 2nd degree murder.

But you aren't racist.....

I'll add this. In the abstract I do see a kind of symmetry to this.

On the one hand, the message that the killing sends to the community is that citizens should be very cautious and comply with police, and do not fuck with the police, OR ELSE.

THe community answers back. Don't push your fucking police state attitude too far, OR ELSE.

What we saw last night in Ferguson is that we aren't far at all from chaos an anarchy. A few hundred people blocked the freeway in protest and while the cops were distracted, a few hundred others looted an burned the town. Anarchy means death in most times and places. People destroying their communities leads to them killing each other, leads to a complete breakdown of the social trust, and then you have every man or family or gang for themselves. It's impossible to have a functioning economy in such a situation. And cities of millions become death traps for all who reside therein. The only way to have a society like ours, a population like ours, is to have a perfectly tuned food and goods delivery system with an equally tuned economy. If the breaks down, 90-95% of everyone in cities would die within weeks.

This is why people look at ferguson and cheer the cops, because no cause, no petty racist claim, is greater than group survival.
Those idiots just made their town into a ghetto. Think the stores will rebuild and reopen? Many will not, taking the insurance money and getting out while the getting is good.
I expect that ferguson real estate will soon be as popular as Detroit, which is sad for the non black residents who didn't deserve this. My wife's friend lives there and is really sad and upset about all this. She can't understand how her town went from being a nice town to being a ghetto.

Quigley says

She can't understand how her town went from being a nice town to being a ghetto.

Certainly an incompetent cop is partly to blame. Will anybody be worrying about body cameras and more rigorous training for cops after this ?

In many places last night there were nonviolent fairly well behaved protests.

Yup as soon as the politicians quit with welfare payments in all of it's stripes, I suspect rioting will be quite common. Maybe a part of the weather report.

The mistake is not in having a big enough police force but with having this big of a government in the first place.

I am sure the county prosecutor did his level best to convict his allied institution's employee.

indigenous says

marcus says

On a side note, I wonder how many businesses in Ferguson were burned down by their owners for the insurance money last night. Probably at least one or two of those.

On a side note how many teachers do a piss poor job?

And never get fired because the unions are doing a good job of protecting bad teachers.

indigenous says

Yup as soon as the politicians quit with welfare payments in all of it's stripes, I suspect rioting will be quite common.

Nothing much seems to have changed since Watts 50 years ago.

OH yeah, you're not a racist.

Call it Crazy says

But, you know more then the Grand Jury....

I know that their finding was based on his (the cops) story. Along with the testimony of Josie, a family friend of WIlson's.

Look, courts accepting the cops side of the story is how it's always been, and that's probably necessary. But that doesn't help us when cops do wrong, and it ends up giving them too much power. WE need cops to have cameras on them, not just to get at the truth in these matters, but also so that cops watch themselves better, knowing they are being recorded.

I'm racist!

Quigley says

I expect that ferguson real estate will soon be as popular as Detroit, which is sad for the non black residents who didn't deserve this. My wife's friend lives there and is really sad and upset about all this. She can't understand how her town went from being a nice town to being a ghetto.

Black people ruin everything!

Nothing new here...move on.

HydroCabron says

I'm racist!

Call it Crazy says

Why the fuck do you keep LYING???

How are you so stupid ? When you don't understand someone, that doesn't mean they are lying.

Yes, they looked at testimony and evidence, with the goal being basically to see if there is justifiable reason to not accept the cops story. They decided no.

Look, I'm not trying to say that I know Wilson's story is wrong. I'm just saying that I think he was incompetent in this situation. He unloaded 12 shots, at least 6 into brown, 2 into his head. I'll bet that in hindsight, even Wilson thinks maybe it would have been better to just risk letting the kid get away with stealing a swisher sweet, that is if backup didn't make it there in time. You've gotta pick your battles.

The cop fucked up. Even he wouldn't deny that.

Call it Crazy says

marcus says

Yes, they looked at testimony and evidence, with the goal being basically to see if there is justifiable reason to not accept the cops story. They decided no.

So, what's YOUR problem? (besides being a racist)

I don't think common sense means what Marcus thinks it means.