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tatupu70 says

Are you still going to argue that Duke doesn't support Trump?

Are we still arguing that Trump didn't disavow Duke multiple times?

By Sunday, Trump was already asked repeatedly and was probably tired of it, because it is a political smear, plain and simple. Tatupu, you of all people should see this for the naked smear (and attempt at publicity for professional controversialist David Duke) for what it is.

thunderlips11 says

Are we still arguing that Trump didn't disavow Duke multiple times?

By Sunday, Trump was already asked repeatedly and was probably tired of it, because it is a political smear, plain and simple. Tatupu, you of all people should see this for the naked smear (and attempt at publicity for professional controversialist David Duke) for what it is.

I don't. If he had simply disavowed when asked initially, it's a non-story. But he first lied saying he didn't know who Duke was-when, as you showed earlier, he disavowed Duke less than a year earlier. And, even if he hadn't--do we want someone to be President that doesn't know who David Duke is?

Trump caused this because he was playing politics as socal2 said. He needs the racist vote on Super Tuesday so he didn't want to come out against Duke initially.

Ironman says

You're right... You're now reaching back to 1990 (25 years ago) to dig up dirt.... I think that's called "desperate".

Dude - Trump still praises Putin today for being a "big strong leader". And who in their right fucking mind would praise China 25 years ago for slaughtering Democracy advocates at Tienanmen square? Who in their right fucking mind would criticize Gorbachev for opening up Communist Russia to reforms?

Trump is an authoritarian through and through.

There is so much dirt on this New York Liberal scumbag that the Democrats and Media are sitting on and they are hoping and praying that the retarded segment of the Republican party are dumb enough to nominate Trump.

Trump is the ONLY Republican that will lose to Hillary.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

tatupu70 says

If he had simply disavowed when asked initially, it's a non-story.

He did on Friday in no uncertain terms. CNN asked him AGAIN on Sunday, where he disavowed Duke. And all weekend long on Social Media, clearly over and over again.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/02/29/trump_disavows_kkk_duke_how_many_times_do_i_have_to_continue_to_disavow_people.html

Again, the smear doesn't matter, it just needs to be repeated over and over again.

thunderlips11 says

He did on Friday in no uncertain terms. CNN asked him AGAIN on Sunday, where he disavowed Duke. And all weekend long on Social Media, clearly over and over again.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/02/29/trump_disavows_kkk_duke_how_many_times_do_i_have_to_continue_to_disavow_people.html

Again, the smear doesn't matter, it just needs to be repeated over and over again.

So why did he say he didn't know who Duke was then?

Trump supporters have almost as thin a skin as he does. Oh--look at the injustice. People are saying bad things about Trump. Boo-hoo. Not every attack is a smear. All Trump does is attack--you think the nonsense about Rubio sweating is fair?

PS--A bad earpiece? Really?

YesYNot says

He is giving legitimacy to racists and encouraging people with minor racist tendencies to cultivate that part of their personalities.

Nope. Being against immigration is not the same as having minor racist tendencies.
Fuck this amalgam.

I cant wait for tatupu to put this much energy into airing out Clintons hate of blacks.

BRING THEM TO HEEL!

errc says

I cant wait for tatupu to put this much energy into airing out Clintons hate of blacks.

BRING THEM TO HEEL!

lol--you don't see the same hero-worship out of Clinton supporters. It's not as fun.

Trump, however, did not take that opportunity. Instead, the real estate mogul, apparently so fearful of alienating even the worse elements of the electorate whose votes he wants, described men who beat a Hispanic Boston man as "passionate."

Heraclitusstudent says

Nope. Being against immigration is not the same as having minor racist tendencies.

Fuck this amalgam.

Ironman says

Do you think telling a lie over and over makes it true? Don't you think the other Repubs and the RNC would have served up all the dirt they had before today? After tonight, the nomination will be Trump's.

Yep, if there was all this shit out there, GOPe would have used some of it against Trump already. He's not so stupid not to have thoroughly investigated himself first and find out what investigators and muckrackers can come up with. He's already lived 30+ years in public eye, a Tabloid regular. Anything bad would have come out.

That's why they are grasping at straws like Duke.

tatupu70 says

So why did he say he didn't know who Duke was then?

On Sunday. He already told CNN in no uncertain terms on Friday. Why does CNN keep asking the same question?

Because merely asking the question is a repeat of the smear, and you ask again and again and again, hoping the recipient makes a snarky or less-than-100% clear response.

Which is exactly what happened here.

thunderlips11 says

He already told CNN in no uncertain terms on Friday. Why does CNN keep asking the same question?

They wanted to give him another opportunity to emphatically disavow Duke. Instead, the Donald choked on the softball.

thunderlips11 says

On Sunday. He already told CNN in no uncertain terms on Friday. Why does CNN keep asking the same question?

Because merely asking the question is a repeat of the smear, and you ask again and again and again, hoping the recipient makes a snarky or less-than-100% clear response.

Which is exactly what happened here.

Come on--first of all, it wasn't on CNN on Friday. It was at the Christie endorsement when someone asked him and he quickly brushed the question aside. If anything, CNN was giving him the opportunity to publicly denounce/disavow on a national forum. It was a gift to Trump.

It was anything but a smear. It only became a smear when Trump decided to lie about not knowing Duke.

Who the fuck is david duke and why should anyone care?

Im more concerned about Hilary forcibly removing the young black woman who paid to be at her event, and asked for apology for MAKE THEM HEEL

thunderlips11 says

He's already lived 30+ years in public eye, a Tabloid regular. Anything bad would have come out.

That's exactly it. A bunch of bullshit twits and lamestream-media "news" are more opinion-forming than a man's lifetime these days. I hope Trump cleans up tonight.

Ironman says

Do you think telling a lie over and over makes it true? Don't you think the other Repubs and the RNC would have served up all the dirt they had before today?

Facts are hard for Trump-bots.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/02/20/super-pacs-have-spent-more-than-215-million-on-the-presidential-race-guess-how-much-has-gone-into-ads-opposing-trump/Ironman says

Trump isn't a Republican.

I know - he is a Liberal Fascist. Why do you think Thundercommie is so excited about him?

Hater says

Would you consider Obama a racist?

No.

errc says

Who the fuck is david duke and why should anyone care?

How old are you? Anyone over 40 who hasn't been living under a rock would have to know who he is. He's the most famous member of the KKK, probably because of his efforts to run for President in the late 80s / early nineties. He's apparently more for the white supremacy side of things than the violence, and wanted to bring new legitimacy to the pro-white movement. Anyway, he's pretty much synonymous with the KKK in my mind. Trump either knows very well who Duke is, or he is senile.

Ironman says

Oh please.... have you seen any video clips the last week or two. All Rubio and Cruz have done in ALL their rallies, media interviews and townhalls is spew their endless talking points about Trump. Have you watched the last couple of debates, it's been all attacks on Trump...

Earth to Irontrumpbot - the last 7 days doesn't equal hundreds of millions in attack ads that have been spent on the other candidates over the last several months.

The dumb GOPe and other candidates thought Trump would implode all by himself, so they spent next to nothing attacking Trump. They underestimated how much Trump resonates with Democrats and Nationalists.

YesYNot says

They wanted to give him another opportunity to emphatically disavow Duke. Instead, the Donald choked on the softball.

Not another opportunity, unless it was use repeating the question as a means of repeating the smear, as I discussed. Trump already on Friday disavowed Duke clearly and succinctly.

Either CNN is deaf or they wanted to repeat the smear.

socal2 says

They underestimated how much Trump resonates with Democrats and Nationalists.

There's a disturbing number of people in america on both sides of political spectrum who are willing to live under dictatorship. They don't care that it will be worse than it is today, they are simply upset either because of their economic problems or because they are simply bored and want to tear down society as we know it. They are a perfect bait for nefarious characters to exploit.

How old are you?

34

Ironman says

You guys are so full of shit. If Trump was a dictator, wouldn't some of his 22,000 employees have come forward to express how big of a dictator he is? If he is really this bad, there should be THOUSANDS of former employees coming forward.

Just how much shit can you pull out of your asses?

They all say the exact opposite - that he's tough, fair, and very loyal to his employees.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3464605/If-want-know-Donald-Trump-run-White-House-look-operates-Mar-Lago.html

dublin hillz says

There's a disturbing number of people in america on both sides of political spectrum who are willing to live under dictatorship. They don't care that it will be worse than it is today, they are simply upset either because of their economic problems or because they are simply bored and want to tear down society as we know it. They are a perfect bait for nefarious characters to exploit.

Blah Blah Blah, Media and Political Hacks said the same shit about Reagan, FDR, Obama-Commie, Nixon, etc. etc. Cut the crap.

thunderlips11 says

Obama-Commie

He wanted to bring people together, but the usual suspects didn't want any part of it and protested from day 1. When did he say hitleresque divisive comments that propelled him to the top of his party polls like you know who?

"Let's not vote for Trump: he is a liar, we don't know what he stands for."
www.youtube.com/embed/-dY77j6uBHI

You just know that Hitlery has a fierce ache in her snatch that can only be sated with the circumcised bits of millions of young Muslim men she plans to import once she is POTUS.

dublin hillz says

He wanted to bring people together, but the usual suspects didn't want any part of it and protested from day 1. When did he say hitleresque divisive comments that propelled him to the top of his party polls like you know who?

I didn't say Obama WAS a Commie, I was stating that pundits always call the nominee or candidate they despise a closet Dictator just waiting for the chance to rule with ze Iron Pfist fur zie benefit auf der Mittengrabben, Vingerpokken allies.

Heraclitusstudent says

Do you think a candidate with integrity really stands a chance against the establishment?

THIS.

That's the error many are making.

People are dreaming of a respected, fairly well known and well spoken, moderate member of the Establishment to run and capture the nation with his reason and good sense. Such a person would be shredded to pieces, or simply ignored into oblivion, long before the New Hampshire Primaries were held.

Only an asshole with deep pockets and a huge ego has a shot to go against both the GOP and the Corporate Clinton Democrats who dominate that party and break up this Extreme TINA-Neoliberal Monopoly. Not to mention the Oligarch-owned Media that likes things just the way they are.

The owner class doesn't want reform, folks.

Bad news for Socal and GOPe... record turnout - highest Republican Primary attendance in State's History.

A video from a show that caters it's content to 18 year old socialists is the best you can come up with?

That's why on day two Trump will abrogate NAFTA, drop out of TPP negotiations after publishing their entire content on the Presidents Website, and the Congress will be forced to flat out state their love of Free Trade, or make a deal with Trump.

He has to use exec powers wisely to come out swinging from the moment he walks into the Oval Office.

Once he abrogates, Senate will never be able to get it back. Not after a lengthy court fight about whether the Constitution requires the Senate to abrogate as well as approve all Treaties.

Or so I hope.

I'm thinking a recall Mitch McConnell campaign is a good late Spring/early Summer project. Shipping magnate wife Elaine Chao makes a fortune on outsourcing America.

I'm sure Senator Sessions would be happy to stand for Majority Leader in McConnell's absence. He'll know who butters his bread.

We have no data on trade. The problem with trying to turn around global free trade is two-fold.

1) The premise is that by using free markets, we can make products more efficiently. If this is correct, then by stopping free trade in our country, we will all lose when the rest of the world keeps on going in a more efficient manner. Free markets used to be a basic republican idea.

2) We have made many structural changes to produce the world we are currently in. Rolling that back would be very expensive.

#2 isn't such a huge problem, but #1 is. I don't know how this would play out in an election, but it's a problem with Trump's idea.

YesYNot says

1) The premise is that by using free markets, we can make products more efficiently. If this is correct, then by stopping free trade in our country, we will all lose when the rest of the world keeps on going in a more efficient manner. Free markets used to be a basic republican idea.

IMO-this is complete bullshit. It's along the lines of comparative advantage. Being able to pay lower wages is not a comparative advantage. It's not more efficient.

YesYNot says

1) The premise is that by using free markets, we can make products more efficiently. If this is correct, then by stopping free trade in our country, we will all lose when the rest of the world keeps on going in a more efficient manner. Free markets used to be a basic republican idea.

Only way to compete with China is to return to 19th Century living conditions.

We of course will have to open up Teaching to H1-Bs and cut pay and pensions 50% because the tax base would be devastated.

You couldn't have Americans working 16 hours a day in a textile mill for $2/hr while teachers are making $50k/yr + benefits.

tatupu70 says

IMO-this is complete bullshit. It's along the lines of comparative advantage. Being able to pay lower wages is not a comparative advantage. It's not more efficient.

If you and I run companies making run of the mill paper clips, and I pay Chinese $4 / hr, while you pay US citizens $12 / hr, I have a comparative advantage. If we are the only paper clip companies, I can run you out of business or I can keep the bigger profits for myself. In any case, this is so basic and obvious, I look forward to your explanation about how this is not a comparative advantage.

If you buy your steel from US companies making steel produced from scratch (ore and coal) in the US and I buy my steel from Chinese companies, I have another competitive advantage.

thunderlips11 says

Only way to compete with China is to return to 19th Century living conditions.

Technology is making things cheaper. However, as more people in the world have risen out of poverty and as even more will, we have more and more people competing for the same resources. This is obviously going to produce cost issues for resource limited activities and products. There is no way out of this fact.

The issue of wealth disparity is huge, but I'm not sure that isolationist trade policies are a solution or are good for the country. It is a debate that should happen (not sure if it will), especially with Drumpf doing so well.

YesYNot says

If you and I run companies making run of the mill paper clips, and I pay Chinese $4 / hr, while you pay US citizens $12 / hr, I have a comparative advantage. If we are the only paper clip companies, I can run you out of business or I can keep the bigger profits for myself. In any case, this is so basic and obvious, I look forward to your explanation about how this is not a comparative advantage.

If you buy your steel from US companies making steel produced from scratch (ore and coal) in the US and I buy my steel from Chinese companies, I have another competitive advantage.

That's not comparative advantage. It's exploitation. It's not more efficient--likely it's less efficient because there's very little incentive to increase efficiency.

I would be happy if we shared the benefits of free trade and open borders.

I salute NYC in trying to open teacher licensing to Illegal Migrants. It's silly that millions of manufacturing jobs are lost, but we continue to shelter teachers, government workers, etc. from healthy competition with Filipina and Jamaican and Kenya Educators, Clerks, etc.

It's racist and economically inefficient to deny a visa-overstaying Jamaican the chance to teach school in NYC, esp. if she undercuts a 35-year old JAP or Italian-American Teacher by 50%.

CEO pay at world levels is a stetch, but we can start by opening up USAJobs and CA Teaching Licenses to foreigners, get rid of job protection schemes Tenure and Contract Negotiations.

If nobody is scratching the back of working class White America, they need to stop scratching others. They might as well say fuck you to everybody if everybody else says fuck you to them.

I look forward to $25k a year, no benefit no pension DMW workers, State College Employees, Teachers, Firefighters, Cops etc. and fighting World Poverty by opening them up to Syrian refugees and others.

Oh! And government contractors should also have all American worker protections stripped, starting with Lockheed-Martin, etc.

Nothing unites like Class Warfare in the name of Free Trade to benefit some!

tatupu70 says

That's not comparative advantage. It's exploitation.

The two aren't mutually exclusive.