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Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses says

burning a flag is a protected first amendment right, settled once and for all by the supreme court.

You managed to contradict yourself completely and look utterly stupid in so few sentences.

No your one sided leftie belief systems refuses to let you see reality.
I said hooligans burn our flags while at the same time waving mexican flag on our soil-which means they are saying to hell with America, this is mexico. Sigh.

BTW, McCain doesn't have the temperament to be a senator, much less President.

lostand confused says

Hooligans burn American flags, while proudly waving Mexican flags on our soil.

Why don't you set up safe spaces where nobody can offend your feelings?

Free speech seems to be okay, if it's saying "ethnic group X is lazy, and ethnic group Y are terrorists."

thunderlips11 says

BTW, McCain doesn't have the temperament to be a senator, much less Presiden

Did Salon, CNN, MSNBC, or whatever else you consider left wing media run articles over and over speculating on what diseases McCain had and offering up 'proof' of those maladies? Or, did they just ask for more records.

HydroCabron says

Why don't you set up safe spaces where nobody can offend your feelings?

Free speech seems to be okay, if it's saying "ethnic group X is lazy, and ethnic group Y are terrorists.

Sarcasm is good if you can understand reality. if you only look at it from one sided beleif system-you end up being the joke, not the one telling jokes.

As long as IHLlary can snarf bush, she is healthy enough to make Presidential decisions!

lostand confused says

Hooligans burn American flags, while proudly waving Mexican flags on our soil. Just attending a political rally of a presidential candidate could get you beaten and bloodied and chased through the streets-while police look on and do nothing.

The flag burning and waving, protected by 1st. (Correct disposal of the American flag.)
The violence at the rallies is a big issue, and it is coming from both sides. I don't like any of it. Hate breeds more hate.

lostand confused says

The battle is not for the 2nd but the 1st and it is going on across all areas of our nations. I hope there are some sane lefties who see where this si leading to.

You can say what you like, but you cannot incite violence against another person. I also believe public and media figures have a greater responsibility toward careful and thoughtful speech. Their message sets the tone and has greater influence in what acceptable cultural norms are. Being plane spoken is fine. Leaving room to being misinterpreted as bigoted or biased against members of the nation, and supporting that further to try and justify it, is not. There are zero examples of good world leaders who fly in the face of civility and respect. None.

I hope there are some sane right wingers out there that don't fly off the handle when Clinton wins. You are very right though. It doesn't matter if Trump wins or loses as the violence and hate is now out there at extremely high levels. Neither Clinton or Trump are solutions to that. So, how are you and I going to work on it?

I'm not waving my hand at the Trump phenomenon saying it's all white supremacists under educated poor white men. It doesn't matter what make up of the vote. What matters is we need to work on some of the issues that are underlying this hate, and we do need to stamp out and crush the radical and activist portions of it that are motivated toward violence. This is no different than what is needed for ISIS.

Imagine what would happen if 10-25% of Trump's supporters riot post election. Let's say it is isolated to some cities. What's the reaction? I think it would need to be handled with kid gloves, but the Patriot Act would be pointed right at their throats. We've done this to ourselves. I cannot believe it, but it's 9-11 bred hate, with an economic disparity source.

One good terrorist act here, I think the country tears at its foundations even more. We are not ready. We are weaker now than pre 9-11. The flames of hate would consume us, and we would trade more freedoms away without blinking. You think Islam remains on the religions able to be practiced in the US in a big enough incident? How's that for an attack on the 1st?

So burn some Mexican flags whilst hoisting Old Glory. See how fast you get charged with a hate crime...

Donald Trump's alleged doctor is a bullshitting, derelict buffoon. Some variation of a Park Avenue Dr. FeelGood.

Guess the good doctor didn't realize that "Orange Grandiosity Lying" disease was contagious.

Rew says

The flag burning and waving, protected by 1st. (Correct disposal of the American flag.

You can burn an American flag or wear it or make dresses for your dog with it-who cares.
But when you are burning one and at the same time waving the mexican flag-that is you saying this is Mexico, it is what any army does when they capture new terriroty-since time immemorial.

.Rew says

You can say what you like, but you cannot incite violence against another person. I also believe public and media figures have a greater responsibility toward careful and thoughtful speech. Their message sets the tone and has greater influence in what acceptable cultural norms are. Being plane spoken is fine. Leaving room to being misinterpreted as bigoted or biased against members of the nation, and supporting that further to try and justify it, is not. There are zero examples of good world leaders who fly in the face of civility and respect. None.

Violence is coming from the left. There may be sporadic instances from the right-but the violence and hate is coming from the left and has been for a long, long time.
The hate the elft spews on any speech or action they deem not acceptable. My 1st taste was at the donald trump rally that was cancelled-vioelent thugs disrupt our free speecha nd whenw e walk peacefully back to our cars-get called nazis and all sort of hateful names. Mind you there were so many children there-but the bigots on the left were so violent an dhateful and it was scary.
The next was when I went to the trump rally it was full, so went back. Going in and out we had to pass a wall of hateful bigots calling us the worst sort of names-all families with kids, grandma with stroller. One group of what looked like college kids pointed out and asked me if trump deported me from his rally and they all burst out laughing-I am not white. Just imagine if a repub group points at a non white person and says something like that .

yet all I see is the leftie media saying trump is full of hate and he and his folloowers are causing this . At first they woudl not accept the elftie violence and now they say Trump caused this-nice. The left is full of hate and has been for a while. They are no different than the old religious groups who thought they were oh so holy and had God on their side and so killed anyone who didn't convert or disagree. Their leader Hilalry plays the same tune.

The problem is the right has had enough and is waking up to these loons and beginning to stand up-it will get ugly. After decades of being called racist, bigots every time someone has a different opinion etc-maybe they don't care anymore-and that si why the left lost their ammunition.

They're both too old to be running. How many 70 year olds do you know who could cope with the stress of that job? What about when they're 74 (72) or even 78 (76). It's enough of a strain on a middle-aged person let alone at that age.

lostand confused says

HydroCabron says

Why don't you set up safe spaces where nobody can offend your feelings?

Free speech seems to be okay, if it's saying "ethnic group X is lazy, and ethnic group Y are terrorists.

Sarcasm is good if you can understand reality. if you only look at it from one sided beleif system-you end up being the joke, not the one telling jokes.

As long as other people exist (your understanding of) reality will always be one-sided, hence your anecdote about hate and violence coming from the left: it bears on you personally, ergo it's your one-sided take on things. That's why I tell jokes about you and you tell jokes about me and they're both funny. Trying to alter the fundamental conditions of humor is a little petulant. And no, there's no invasion underway, either by Mexicans or Muslims. It's just that other people exist; they are not you, and you have to deal with it.

neplusultra57 says

As long as other people exist (your understanding of) reality will always be one-sided,

Absolutely wrong. reality is too big for any one person or group to grasp. it is ever changing, in flux and there are far too many constructs. What I mean by one sided, is people who have afixed view of reality and view life through that prism and always try and fit the reality of this universe through that prism. I laugh at both-people trying to justify dinosaurs and 5,000 yr supposed timeline of earth by claiming that people rode dinosaurs. The same for dems who only interpret by the dem angle.

neplusultra57 says

Trying to alter the fundamental conditions of humor is a little petulant.

Trying to say what is humour and who should find it funny is petulant and typical of the left.

neplusultra57 says

And no, there's no invasion underway, either by Mexicans or Muslims. It's just that other people exist; they are not you, and you have to deal with it.

People exist-as do countries, borders and rules. You cna deal with it by kicking illegals out and by not bringing in people that cannot be vetted from countries where they bomb women and children for fun.

lostand confused says

Absolutely wrong. reality is too big for any one person or group to grasp.

Dude, that is exactly what I said. Drink some coffee or something if you want to have an argument.

lostand confused says

Trying to say what is humour and who should find it funny is petulant and typical of the left.

You mad, bro? Just wake up from a nap?

lostand confused says

People exist

Okay, we're starting over. That's progress, I guess.

lostand confused says

You cna deal with it by kicking illegals out and by not bringing in people that cannot be vetted from countries where they bomb women and children for fun.

Didn't know fun had anything to do with it. At least we agree that they can't be vetted. Tell that to the #Orangedouchebag because it'll be part of his yuge speech tomorrow.

neplusultra57 says

Dude, that is exactly what I said. Drink some coffee or something if you want to have an argument

Absolutely not.neplusultra57 says

You mad, bro? Just wake up from a nap?

LOl-is that your attempt at humor.neplusultra57 says

Didn't know fun had anything to do with it. At least we agree that they can't be vetted

Great you are a trump supporter and will not allow people from jihadi nations and strongly oppose Hillary/Obozo plan to bring in hordes of unvetted folks-Great-see how easy that was.

lostand confused says

Great you are a trump supporter

No, Trump is a moron, but he is funny every time he opens his mouth.

lostand confused says

it is what any army does when they capture new terriroty-since time immemorial.

If you are raising it to a high point on a pole or over a building, while armed, and wearing a uniform ... I could see how there could be some confusion as if it was military force or not. Typically, opposing militaries don't burn an enemy flag or symbol. They capture it. It's a trophy.

All recent instances I see are just protesters. Most recent, I think, was the backlash in San Jose. I don't particularly think their antagonizing is a good thing, but understandable.

Rew says

don't particularly think their antagonizing is a good thing, but understandable.

This is understanable? So if this were your kid who is attacked and bleeding for attending the rally of a Presidential candidate-you would agree-please. This is like back then when a man beats his wife and blames her for it or a man rapes a woman and blames her dress-same mentality in work by the lefties here.
www.youtube.com/embed/dzpgxwRXsjE

lostand confused says

This is understanable?

I said burning the flag was understandable. That's the type of sentiment Trump is stirring up by his careless speech. The violence too is 'understandable', but I don't condone it. Like Donald said, people are passionate ...

http://www.vox.com/2015/8/20/9182169/trump-hate-crime
“The people following me are very passionate.”

Maybe if he was more careful and reasonable he would incite less violence in the world? We don't need passions stirred. We don't need anger and hate. We need rational discussion and action on deep problems we face.

You think Trump is a positive force in the country?

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/05/09/donald_trump_and_the_rise_of_anti_muslim_hate_crimes.html

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/delegates-face-death-threats-from-trump-supporters-222302

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/death-threats-trump-supporters

http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_29294710/richmond-donald-trump-supporter-arrested-suspicion-threatening-muslims

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/10-hate-crimes-inspired-donald-trumps-hateful-rhetoric

http://mashable.com/2016/03/12/trump-rally-incite-violence/#jcvlxyEy7iqu

http://mediamatters.org/video/2016/05/20/univision-highlights-how-trump-s-anti-immigrant-rhetoric-may-be-inspiring-violence-against-latinos/210511

https://theintercept.com/2016/05/05/hate-crimes-rise-along-with-donald-trumps-anti-muslim-rhetoric/

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/18/donald-trump-should-be-banned-from-uk-for-inflaming-hate-mp-says

https://www.quora.com/Is-Donald-Trump-responsible-for-these-Islamophobic-hate-crimes

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/category/people/donald-trump
… pages and pages of the stuff.

I almost feel bad for Trump. I don't think he understands what he has done ...
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/trump-supporter-tells-glenn-beck-if-trump-doesnt-build-wall-were-going-come-after-him-person

"[Trump] has condoned violence in that past, hasn't he?" Nate said. "He's appealing to people who are very frustrated and angry. Their frustration and anger can only be subsided if he makes his promises true. And he has a lot on his shoulders; maybe he himself doesn't even know how much. But if he doesn't come true for us, he's going to have bigger problems, bigger problems than what you know."

"Okay," Beck said, ending the call. "Thank you for one of the spookiest phone calls I think I've ever received."

Rew says

I said burning the flag was understandable.

No you didn't
Rew says

All recent instances I see are just protesters. Most recent, I think, was the backlash in San Jose. I don't particularly think their antagonizing is a good thing, but understandable.

And again
Rew says

The violence too is 'understandable',

The same thing back then when a man beat a woman and blamed her for it-or even raped a women and blamed it on her wearing a short skirt.

lostand confused says

All recent instances I see are just protesters. Most recent, I think, was the backlash in San Jose. I don't particularly think their antagonizing is a good thing, but understandable.

Again. I'm referring to the flag burning.

That's right, the violence he is stoking is 'understandable', as in I understand why it is occurring.

This is why i think this is a pivotal moment in this a nation's history. One side thinks that if a presidential candidate speaks of today's problems and demands that existing laws on the books regarding immigration are enforced-then it si fine to beat up innocent people or anyone you don't agree with.

This was at the campus level and now is going mainstream and this si the lefts agenda-if unchecked we will be like pol Pot or Stalin or n.Korea.

the funny thing the lefties don't realize is that they come for the intellectuals first-but by then it will be too late. thank god for the youtubes and the social media-folks can see for themselves and not be deluded by what the mainstream media feeds them.

Rew says

That's right, the violence he is stoking is 'understandable', as in I understand why it is occurring

No it is not. A presidential candidate calls for endforcing the laws on the book. Thugs and hooligans beat up anybody that looks liekt hey agree witha Presidential candiate-not understandable.

Then any violent crime is "understandable."

These are grown ass people choosing to be violent-typical leftist propoganda-nobody is responsible for any of their actions-if they suit leftie agenda/ideas.

lostand confused says

One side thinks that a if a presidential candidate speaks of today's problems and demands that existing laws on the books regarding immigration are enforced-then it si fine to beat up innocent people or anyone you don't agree with.

Right. Hillary is saying go beat up people you don't agree with. Her main platform. She is the one condoning violence at her rallies. She is the one asking for strong arm authoritarianism in the country.

You don't see this as being inflicted by Trump? Guess you are learning, a lot like Trump, just what the power of words and message can be.

The funny thing about communication is it doesn't matter what you say. It matters what the other person hears. Communication is the main craft of politics and works very hard on messaging for effect. Trump understood parts of that, but not what the other side of the coin might be for him.

I'm not gleeful about the levels of hate in the country. This is actually going to be the number one issue in the country now, regardless of Trump election or not. Again, I don't think there is a politician who can unwind it to. What policies can you put in place to work against the tide of hate? Who can do that effectively? How can it be done?

Trump is absolutely the wrong answer, to this, and the other issues he is running on.

lostand confused says

the funny thing the lefties don't realize is that they come for the intellectuals first-but by then it will be too late.

It's possible. I think it is just as likely Patriot Act and homeland security are mobilized against domestic right wing threats. Supper dark day if ever any of that occurs. I think it's easier for our new magic word, 'terrorist' to apply to one of those groups and not the other though ... unless the teachers get really militant.

Rew says

Hillary is saying go beat up people you don't agree with. Her main platform. She is the one condoning violence at her rallies. She is the one asking for strong arm authoritarianism in the country.

You don't see this as being inflicted by Trump? Guess you are learning, a lot like Trump, just what the power of words and message can be.

Hillary is the one calling Trump supporters racists, alt-right whatever. Where do you see roving band of right wingers attacking Hilalry/bernie supproters?
Rew says

You don't see this as being inflicted by Trump? Guess you are learning, a lot like Trump, just what the power of words and message can b

Nope-the hate of the elft has been going on for long-in college campuses, in many places-where anything they don't agree with is deemed racist/bigoted/misogynist.

Trump is the 1st leader ina long time who didn't care, had enough money and decided to take this loons on.

I know violence-I have seen it in 3rd world countries and I am seeing it now in America. We are declining in many aspects-running up debt, slow growth, huge population out of the workplace and no hope.

You probably lived a very sheltered life. Got o mexico, brazil -heck go to south side of chicago and see how much they value life. Trump ain't causing this-he is fixing it. You keep saying Trump is not the answer-but never say why-becaus eyou cna't.

Trade and business is for profit-when the anton is losing massively-time to change-he understands that.

Blacks killing each other and 5 yr old kids or jihadis blowing up 100 people and themselves ahs nothing to do with trump. neither are those thugs/protestors beating up innocent people. But you can't see that-becuse that will force you to admit truths that you don't want to admit. but that si why all civilizations fall-they becoming too civilized and live in the skies and then before they can comprehend-barbarians are at the gates-but it is too late.

lostand confused says

No it is not. A presidential candidate calls for endforcing the laws on the book.

Oh, is that all he said? Wow. What new violent radical leftist agenda is gripping our country then?

Rew says

Oh, is that all he said? Wow. What new violent radical leftist agenda is gripping our country then

So he said rapists, drug smugglers are entering this nation-maybe not all-but there are plenty of criminals entering from mexico. If you are illegal and don't like what he says-go back to your country. Tough luck. But aside from that-his solution is-the law needs to be enforced.

If there are 10 million illegals here-all lawbreakers - who the hell knows who they are?

Now if it were me, I would say all mexicans should have access to come and go not work . Work violations should be enforced at the employer level by fines and for multiple repeated offenses where it was proven they did it knowingly-then some jail time. Make it mandatory to have some sort of background check for visitors.

lostand confused says

Hillary is the one calling Trump supporters racists, alt-right whatever. Where do you see roving band of right wingers attacking Hilalry/bernie supproters?

No no no. Trump isn't espousing violence against them ... look at all the links I provided above. Who is he against? Who is suffering?

lostand confused says

Trump ain't causing this-he is fixing it.

Really? How. How is Trump going to remove the divisiveness and hate. Seriously, if he has an answer for this I'm listening. Be careful if the suggestion is homogeneity along racial or religious lines. In general that is antithetical to America.

lostand confused says

But you can't see that-becuse that will force you to admit truths that you don't want to admit.

Yes. There is violence in the world not associated with Trump. How come so much of it has splashed on him and from him though?

lostand confused says

they becoming too civilized and live in the skies and then before they can comprehend-barbarians are at the gates-but it is too late.

I think you get to choose something. Either America's barbarians are already inside the gates, and WE ARE THEM, or you can choose to blame radical terror, immigrants, externals. I think all we have been discussing is my major case for why WE (the hate) is the issue. That's you and me, that's those anti-Trump protesters, that's the trump supporters at the rallies, that's the Trump supporter making a bomb and shouting death to Muslims.

If you cannot understand where these feelings are coming from, WE will lose.

Next terrorist attack of any significance and we will trade away the country in fear. Again, I think anything that can remotely be called domestic terror will be on the plate at that time too. All Muslim Americans will be in extreme peril as well.

lostand confused says

So he said rapists, drug smugglers are entering ...

Sure, he has said that, and much much more. You say you don't 'understand' the violence against Trump supporters.

Do you 'understand' this type of speech?
www.youtube.com/embed/0gBRXOAtyc8

Rew says

eally? How. How is Trump going to remove the divisiveness and hate. Seriously, if he has an answer for this I'm listening. Be careful if the suggestion is homogeneity along racial or religious lines. In general that is antithetical to America.

First by understanding reality. There was a time when we were prosperous-not anymore-better than 3rd world, but not where we are.Acknowledge it thenw e can deal with it-basically look at our self-interest as a nation first-America 1st.Rew says

Be careful if the suggestion is homogeneity along racial or religious lines. In general that is antithetical to America.

LOl., typical response from the left-as mentioned before. I am not white , not christian-enjoy sex with different women and not married-so there. My belief is live and let live and that includes ending drug laws. Rew says

If you cannot understand where these feelings are coming from, WE will lose

Nah we will lose if you cannot understand where these feelings are coming from. Humans are capable of horrible things, great things. Different things can unleash different angles of the human psyche. Trump does not create them.
I think trump took on the established reality of the left and their reality is breaking down and those are dangerous times, because they are lashing out in fury trying to put Humpty Dumpty back together.

A couple of decades ago the left was right-racism, anti women rules etc were horrendous. But they have the same mindset in a very different world and trump is the one who has the guts to call them out on their stupidity on a national scale. They want to quiet him down so they can go back to their breaking constructs-but it is broken-can't do that.

lostand confused says

And again

Rew says

The violence too is 'understandable',

The same thing back then when a man beat a woman and blamed her for it-or even raped a women and blamed it on her wearing a short skirt

This is exactly it.

Rew says

All Muslim Americans will be in extreme peril as well.

Yeah just like europe. The peril is palpable.

lostand confused says

in many places-where anything they don't agree with is deemed racist/bigoted/misogynist.

Exactly, Missouri-columbia, Yale, and the trump furor at Emory

Rew says

Either America's barbarians are already inside the gates, and WE ARE THEM

Yes, the christian right is much worse than Islamists and those who support them, whether in principle or simply out of fear.

lostand confused says

south side of chicago and see how much they value life

He votes for welfare to keep the coloreds on their side of the tracks.

Rew says

You think Trump is a positive force in the country?

from a policy standpoint, not so much, but it has been extremely entertaining to watch the republican establishment squirm and have to finally man up to some of their bigger fuck-ups.

Rew says

All Muslim Americans will be in extreme peril as well.

not really. They will just use it as a pretext to justify suicide bombing as 1/4 already in the US do.