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Ironman says

"Perception is Reality". To the low information voters not paying attention, she sounded more professional.

Sad but true.

Hillary is neocon, show stopper for me.

She is more of the same show stopper

She is way corrupt and evil show stopper big time

The real problem is the women's vote

I think Trump dealt Trump the worst blow all night.
His shoot em in the ass rant about race problems in large cities had me squirming.
There's a lot of truth to what he is trying to say. But if you're going to sell that message you better have a better plan and message that what he laid out.
But he did go around the country and was a hit with the black community for the most part. I don't if he was off message from the eloquent way he put it to them.
Or maybe he didn't do that bad at all. And it was the triggered response we've been conditioned to think. But if I lived on MLK in many cities around the country.
I bet I would know what Donald was saying. Listening to bullets whiz by all night. I bet the drive by victims surviving family knows what He was saying.

Very educational. Trump needs to change his campaign from 'SUCK MY DICK, AMERICA!' to 'FLEECE THE WORLD AND SUCK MY DICK, AMERICA!" It demonstrates a much more expansive vision.

I think I would rather spend some quality time in Shelob's lair than debate IHLlary and Dworkin Golem.

So who really think that this changed anyone's vote? Did it change an undecided's vote? More of the same nonsense from each. Such a sad choice.

indigenous says

Hillary looked a lot more poised than I thought.

Trump's answers could have been better.

Agree. I thought he was supposed to be a bit more restrained. After a while, he couldn't explain himself too well.

Decision - Hillary Clinton, ahead on all cards.

But he got some real good punches. But she being the career politician, just let them roll off with that stupid grin. he was good, she practiced for 20+ days-but now he knows her-lets see the next debate.
You can't say he lost.

Indeed, and women tend to vote their perceptions. Trump lost tonight on that score. Hillary came off as more poised, more presidential, and more informed. Trump was put on the defensive many times and resorted to bully tactics talking over her and the moderator which just made him look like a jerk.

I'll give this extremely long term prediction now: Ivanka Trump will run for President in eight years and possibly win. If Hillary is POTUS at the time, she will definitely win.

We are waiting for Hillary's next health crisis. If it comes, she is done. If not, she'll probably win. Regardless, I'm enjoying the abuse she takes.

My biggest hope is that Hillary has disqualifying health problems.

Otherwise she is going to win. Which sucks

Well he has come this far, he should course correct for the next debate. She can't-I still think this country will not elect that corrupt slimebag-lets see.

lostand confused says

You can't say he lost.

He lost.
He lost because he was unprepared and lacks the temperament and work ethic for the presidency.
He will not keep us safe at night. He will not fight for us. He does not deserve the presidency.
He has gotten this far only by telling fearful racists what they want to hear. He is a con man and a lying slimeball.

Ironman says

That's his issue, in theory, he knows the problems, but he doesn't articulate well

Agree. He knew what he wanted to say but didn't say it too well.

Y'know, I'll give the usually feverish wingnuts here some credit.

You were surprisingly objective in your debate analysis tonight, which is extremely impressive in light of some of your other posts here.

Goon on ya.

HydroCabron says

He lost.

He lost because he was unprepared and lacks the temperament and work ethic for the presidency.

He will not keep us safe at night. He will not fight for us. He does not deserve the presidency.

He has gotten this far only by telling fearful racists what they want to hear. He is a con man and a lying slimebal

In your dreams.

Hillary is very ill - probably at the very brink of a code blue.

It's amazing how she stayed focused under that cocktail of chemo, painkillers and formaldehyde.

Ironman says

It comes down to if the voters want a "snake oil saleslady" with Hillary, or a rough talking, but knows how to get things done, Trump

But he should know how to course correct. Witch cast a spell and appeared as the flower lady. Now he knows-this wa snot a bad debate-just outfoxed. But that is why we have 3 debates.

Dumb libbies still don't get it after all this time.
Trump was not put in that position by the electorate to win debates. That's old school
He is in there to blow up the system. Period.
Watching IHLiarry represent the system is enough to sway the electorate.

lostand confused says

HydroCabron says

He lost.

I beleve we should lock her up. In a room with no corners. For several years.

What in the fuck is wrong with the biased moderators 'correcting the record' every since the second Romney debate? That's not their damn job otherwise they become a debater.

Unfortunately I think Donald looked bad for all of the same reasons others posted. Totally on the defensive but equally due to the biased questions, lack of response times and so-called fact correction from the moderator as it was due to Clinton's attacks.

I know the record and so could see through her BS answers. He rambled too much even when he wasn't on defense. He'd say something correct at a high level and I'd think, 'Ok, now peel back the onion a a couple of layers in plain-speak so people understand why that's important', but he never did. Just repeated the same things over and over like a broken record.

Joe Hasntbeenpayinattention, the main target, will think Hillary was more persuasive and looked more presidential. By that measure, the important measure, she won big time.

He probably should have called out the moderator a few times like he did in earlier debates.

Dammit!

I'd rate it a tie. Hillary had to clear a low bar here by just being healthy and alert which she was, I think both did a decent job strategy wise, maybe slight edge to Hillary which was easy since only Trump would get inconvenient questions, so his upside was limited, but he may get credit for getting up on stage at all with everybody against him. I also think that most people did not change their mind tonight anyways.

lostand confused says

But he should know how to course correct.

Absolutely. He'll have to get better at that or his message just won't be heard. She'll be happy to keep him busy setting the record straight for the next six weeks.

just_passing_through says

What in the fuck is wrong with the biased moderators 'correcting the record' every since the second Romney debate? That's not their damn job otherwise they become a debater.

What else did you expect from Lester asschap Holt? Trump had no choice but to get up and face the headwinds, and walk a tightrope between being presidential (i.e. not to intercept and call out all the time) and being the politically incorrect entertainer that got him there. I think he may be doing better sticking with being politically incorrect and call out the bias as you said, but considering the fact that he may already have won over the die-hards and non-PC crowd he may want to try to bring over some "moderates" - tough call and not easy for his campaign to figure out. Hillary will just bank and ride on ray's cyst and feminism.

I don't think this debate changed anyone's mind.

It's good to see those polls. Does anyone know who the next two moderators will be?

Interesting poll results.

mell says

What else did you expect from Lester asschap Holt?

Until tonight I'd never seen or heard of him. I'll remember the piece of crap from now on though.

just_passing_through says

What in the fuck is wrong with the biased moderators 'correcting the record' every since the second Romney debate

How dare the moderators expect Trump to tell the truth? His fucking retarded asshole supporters want him to lie and get away with it!

Hillary spanked him tonight! Go ahead ironpussy, try to pretend otherwise!

mell says

Trump had no choice but to get up and face the headwinds, and walk a tightrope between being presidential (i.e. not to intercept and call out all the time) and being the politically incorrect entertainer that got him there. I think he may be doing better sticking with being politically incorrect and call out the bias as you said, but considering the fact that he may already have won over the die-hards and non-PC crowd he may want to try to bring over some "moderates" - tough call and not easy for his campaign to figure out.

Good points btw..

just_passing_through says

Until tonight I'd never seen or heard of him. I'll remember the piece of crap from now on though.

I only know him from Dateline.

"For Dateline on ID, I'm Lester Holt." In fact, every time he spoke... I kept expecting him to say that.

Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses says

How dare the moderators expect Trump to tell the truth?

He was telling the truth dickhead. That's was makes all the more outrageous.

turtledove is deplorable says

just_passing_through says

Until tonight I'd never seen or heard of him. I'll remember the piece of crap from now on though.

I only know him from Dateline.

"For Dateline on ID, I'm Lester Holt." In fact, every time he spoke... I kept expecting him to say that.

hahaha

just_passing_through says

Joe Hasntbeenpayinattention, the main target, will think Hillary was more persuasive and looked more presidential. By that measure, the important measure, she won big time.

He probably should have called out the moderator a few times like he did in earlier debates.

Dammit!

He was Walter Freaking Contrite tonight no matter how bad the optics looked.
He gave America, the fence sitters and the complacent Hillary supporters, some homework.
He brought things to their attention that they have never heard before. I know for a fact 90% of things we post and talk about in the election when it comes to Hillary Clinton.
Her supporters are in a self imposed news bubble. They aren't curios they don't seek and they don't look. But they do give a shit... sometimes!
Donald Trump just slapped them with a big ole shit sandwich that they are going to have to chew on between now and the next debate.

Trump was prepared to night. Now by time the next debate in almost 2 weeks. They Hillary's default supporters, will have done their homework and be on the same page as the rest of us.
Trump will continue the beatings then.

just_passing_through says

He was telling the truth dickhead. That's was makes all the more outrageous.

not according to EVERY SINGLE FACT CHECKER!!!

trump got assfucked tonight.... he's a loser! and you fucktards are too!

CNN says 62% Hillary; 27% Trump... though they say that the polled debate watchers skewed toward Hillary democrats.... So, what was the point of the poll?

This from this:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/09/26/lester-holt-candy-crowley-moment-first-debate/

It looked to me like Donald's was on the defensive much of the night and that's mostly attributable to the biased moderator.
Excerpt:
Again and again, Holt asked Trump tough questions that were straight from the Clinton campaign’s talking points, and which were obvious set-ups for Clinton to attack (and for fact-checkers to pounce on whatever Trump asserted in his own defense).
Here are the five worst examples.
Tax returns. Holt never asked Clinton about her e-mail scandal, about Benghazi, or about the Clinton Foundation and its dubious dealings. But he did ask Trump about his tax returns, arguing — not asking — that there might be questionable information in them that the American public deserved to hear.
Birther conspiracy theory. Holt never asked Clinton about her past record of racist statements, including her “super-predator” remarks as First Lady, or her explicit appeal to “white Americans” in her 2008 primary campaign against Obama. Yet he asked Trump about the Birther conspiracy theory and cast it as racist.
Stop-and-frisk. After an exchange between the candidates over the policy of “stop-and-frisk,” Holt interjected to bolster Clinton’s point by stating, erroneously, that stop-and-frisk had ended in New York because it had been declared unconstitutional by a court. Trump countered, correctly, that the new mayor had canceled the policy before the litigation was over.
“A presidential look.” Towards the end of the debate, Holt asked Trump about what he meant by saying Hillary Clinton did not have “a presidential look.” He did so after noting that Clinton had become “the first woman” to be nominated for president by a major political party, thus setting Trump up as a sexist. As Trump answered, Holt interrupted him, then gave Clinton a chance to respond with her talking points about Trump’s past comments on women.
Iraq War. The question of whether Trump supported the Iraq War or not has been widely debated. What is beyond doubt is that Hillary Clinton voted for it. Holt only represented one side of the debate about Trump, and never asked Clinton about her own vote.
In addition, the audience repeatedly interjected — almost always in Clinton’s favor — and Holt did not stop them, though it was against the rules. He only stopped the audience when there were cheers for Trump calling for Clinton’s emails.

Personal opinions are one thing.
But these poll results are Damning...

turtledove is deplorable says

So, what was the point of the poll?

Well you take CNN and Huffingtonpost and you aggregate those,
then you aggregate the ones Irony has posted plus the one that has the same conclusion.

To see whom amongst the card carrying Libbytarians are apostates to be shunned...

turtledove is deplorable says

CNN says 62% Hillary; 27% Trump... though they say that the polled debate watchers skewed toward Hillary democrats.... So, what was the point of the poll?