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Rew says

If it's me...we take

Those would be acts of war by the United States against Syria, a country that has not even threatened us with acts of war in a very long time, maybe since the Barbary Wars ~200 years ago. (Some accuse Syria of involvement in Pan Am Flight 103, but America decided to blame Kadaffy, and besides the DEA had reportedly a role in weakening security on that flight, so that may have inhibited investigation.)

I propose a new rule regarding wars against countries that have neither attacked us nor threatened to do so. If people want to get involved in yet another foreign war, then let them pledge personally to pay for it and to serve in it. If corporations and foreign governments want it, then let them pledge money too. KSA and Turkey have been arming and financing "anyone who would fight against Assad," including al-Qaeda. The sum pledged and deposited becomes the total budget for the war proposal, and the Senate can decide whether to declare it. If the Senate declares it, then the President as commander-in-chief can decide whether to fight it, with the stipulation that the TOTAL RESOURCES AVAILABLE will be strictly limited to the budget and volunteers pledged personally by supporters. No borrowing, no conscription, and no tax increases for unnecessary wars.

That might shut up some of the sadists who get their rocks off by blasting other human beings apart and seeing the blood on TV.

YesYNot says

the real story remains Trump and the investigation of potential deals with Russia.

Nonsense.

Zero evidence of trump/russia collusion.

Compare that to proof of felony leaking, as well as unmasking ... Only confused fools think Trump/Russia is the real story.

I'm with curious, NOTHING (without arming the rebels) is the right policy here. Not criticizing Obummer for doing nothing (he got that right IMO even though he shouldn't have made the red line comment in the first place), but for arming the rebels.

jazz music says

Strategist says

You think people like them who have no ability to keep their wealth, have an ability to make wealth? No, they are doomed to perennial failure because the lack what it takes to be successful. Don't blame the capitalist system for the lack of common sense most people have.

Ehh, wealth can happen, so can poverty, illness, you feel wealthy, good for you: Start showing it instead of using it as a club to beat people. Make a difference.

Wealth doesn't just happen. It is created. Same goes for poverty. If you can't make it in America, try making it in Venezuela. Illness happens, you got something right.
Lazy Welfare recipients who are able bodied deserve to be criticized. You want to congratulate them?

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says

Drop Rosie O'Donnell on ISIS.

Whoa easy here, never heard of the Geneva convention?

jazz music says

And if you haven't done anything wrong you have nothing to fear.

Oh ninja puh-leeze

That's true.
We don't live in a Muslim country. A communist country. A dictatorship.
Everyone is equal in America and has the equal protection of the law.
Why do you think we are the number one destination for immigrants. Why deny you appreciate what you have that 80% of the world does not have.

This shit has got to stop.

Our broad surveillance net needs a public backlash. Too bad dems are distracted by their partisan narrative to care about enforcing limited govt power.

Dems today = repubs in 2006. Selling out our freedoms to the next administration because govt power creep pays off as long as we're in office. Its pure idiocy.

This story has just started to break.

jazz music says

Some of the best doctors I ever had have been muslims.

Some of the best doctors I ever had have been mexican. Great prices too. And they will actually take the time to talk to you. And give you the best treatment for what ails you instead of giving you best treatment that will protect them from a potential lawsuit, however ineffective it is.

What's next? The whole FBI investigating since like, I dunno, July?

It's almost as if there are security concerns around the Trump administration.

Rew says

What's next? The whole FBI investigating since like, I dunno, July?

It's almost as if there are security concerns around the Trump administration.

Yet nothing comes up. This whole thing was a ruse, to spy on trump. if proven-Obama is pure evil and the most dangerous President in our history.

Tim Aurora says

The Chinese government has granted preliminary approval for 35 Trump-related trademarks in businesses ranging from mining and construction to restaurants, hotels and golf courses.

Trump is making America great again by monetizing the office of the president of the United States. Now that's innovation. And he's created many jobs for his family members.

Obama still in French Tahiti.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/17/politics/where-in-the-world-is-barack-obama/

He's staying until this blows over or doesn't.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/04/us/politics/fact-check-trump-syria-obama.html?_r=0
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-has-strong-words-after-syria-attack--but-what-next/2017/04/05/d37064a4-19d3-11e7-8598-9a99da559f9e_story.html?utm_term=.aba84f67d0f0

I wonder if he will tweet that nobody knew this was so hard.

bob2356 says

Grab you socks son this is really going to hurt.

That's an oddly specific statement about child rape. Sounds like it stems from firsthand knowledge. It's certainly not funny, and I have a dismal view of anyone who would find child rape anything to laugh about.

Quigley says

That's an oddly specific statement about child rape.

Wow! You read that and thought of child rape? You better get some religion, son. You might be in need of some help walking the straight line. I'll try to remember not to bend over and touch my toes in public. You never know what someone like you will think.

Whatever Republicans do will be a failure.
WALL?
REPEAL?
BETTER & AFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE?
JOBS?
35% TARIFFS?

One 5 time draft dodger can destroy the credibility of the Office of POTUS.
The gullible,failure,low paid,unemployed white men will regret their stupid votes.
WTF= WHITE TRASH FUCKERS!

This is impossible. Fake news! All white men love Trump whether they know it or not. Trump 2020! He's such a strong decider - a real man of action.

Trump will be the hottest selling action figure in 2017. They are working on the molds as we speak... in China.

Pennsylvania avenue has to be cleaned twice a day to hold back the flow of pussy juice from all of the tourists lining up for a quick grab.

Lol, those same polls showed he could never be elected!

Now wiretapping is OK, but its the Unmasking that matters.

Tell me the lawyers that ran the Obama admin aren't smart devils......

CBOEtrader says

Zero evidence of trump/russia collusion.

True. The opposition party (which is indeed the MSM) still has nothing.

But they don't care. What they really care about is the perception that there is something there, which they can maintain with their control over mainstream headlines.

interesting. i was gonna liquidate a large CD later this month and dollar-cost average it into my vanguard index funds

What comes first, the investigation or the proof? The congressional investigation hasn't even really gotten started, because the process has been totally politicized. Nunes is not sharing evidence and holding up the hearings and Nunes/Trump want to focus on an accusation of a Democrat that they cannot prove (they cannot prove the intent). One Democrat (Schiff) is saying that there is direct evidence of collusion. Another (Castro) is saying (with nothing to back it up) that several people on team Trump might end up in Jail.
If a reasonable person would conclude that there was some evidence (but not necessarily proof) of collusion between Trump team and Russia, then the unmaskings were justified for national security reasons. The Dems and Repubs are not likely to agree on what a reasonable person would conclude, and nobody without top secret security clearance is going to get to see the evidence, so we'll never know whether Rice was justified or not.

CBOEtrader says

Our broad surveillance net needs a public backlash.

Continued Islamic murder of random Americans will ensure that the government will maintain nearly unlimited power to monitor everyone. And then the government will use that info for political purposes, of course. It's a pretty elegant system in a way, making terrorism useful to government.

But Trump is a wild card. He may well blow the cover off of massive public surveillance programs we have not even heard about yet. He cannot be counted on to play along or to shut the fuck up. Kind of amazing that our owners have not managed to get rid of him yet.

www.youtube.com/embed/RyQ1RoEotPk

Tim Aurora says

CBOEtrader says

Compare that to proof of felony leaking, as well as unmasking ... Only confused fools think Trump/Russia is the real story.

Trump/ Russia is the story of treason. Leaking is a side story/distraction.

False equivalence. A felony leak occurred. The only question is who leaked? We also know Trump associates were unmasked in most uniquely biased circumstances, which deserves an investigation.

Trump/Russia is a conspiracy theory w no hard evidence. This is a distinct and obvious difference to anyone but the most partisan.

Tim Aurora says

CBOEtrader says

Zero evidence of trump/russia collusion.

Compare that to proof of felony leaking, as well as unmasking ... Only confused fools think Trump/Russia is the real story.

https://patrick.net/1304704/2017-04-04-problem-isnt-russian-meddling-in-our-election-the-problem-is-that-somebody-revealed-russian-meddling-in-our-election

Yawn.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/05/susan-rices-alleged-unmasking-requests-not-so-routine-ex-officials-say.html

We can all find our articles and "experts" who project their narrative on ambiguous evidence. At this point, either the Obama admin had hard evidence of Trump admin being a potential criminal threat to national security, or Rice broke the law.

All we now for certain is that a felony leak occurred. This leak does indeed look like a targeted political attack on Trump though. This is a potentially huge political scandal.

I own a Vanguard index fund and it does seem to track the S&P 500 pretty well, though not exactly:

rando says

True. The opposition party (which is indeed the MSM) still has nothing.

But they don't care. What they really care about is the perception that there is something there

Like Obama being born in kenya? I wonder what orange person spent years harping that story?

CBOEtrader says

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/05/susan-rices-alleged-unmasking-requests-not-so-routine-ex-officials-say.html

We can all find our articles and "experts" who project their narrative on ambiguous evidence.

An army lt colonel is fox's expert? Seriously? Lt colonels aren't even water boys at this level of intelligence. Why didn't they ask the mail room boy also?

CBOEtrader says

Rice broke the law.

Which statute makes it illegal for the NSA to read intelligence reports and ask for the names to be unmasked? Just post the relevant section, not the entire statute.

Because trump says so doesn't count.

Tim Aurora says

You do not have a case

LOL! There is no case!

No Russian Conspiracy Theorist on this board has yet answered the question:

Why hasn't the DNC Turned over the Server for Forensic Examination by the country's counter-intelligence and Cybersecurity Agencies, backed by the best Cybersecurity Contractors, and their employees, in the world?

"The Russians hacked the election."
"What does that mean."
"uhh, umm... RT and Sputnik"
"Almost nobody, relative to the other major media outlets, watches that. And Der Spiegel, BBC, The Guardian, Le Monde, etc. etc. all aggressively pushed Hillary and have more reach. Too say nothing of the overwhelmingly negative coverage by almost every domestic outlet from ABC to NYT to MSNBC to WaPo"
"well I mean the DNC hack."
"Great, pressure the DNC over the server to the Government for Forensics and let's see if we can find a smoking gun."
"Well, uh, I oh, ummmm."

You know damn well why the DNC won't turn it over. There's probably a ton of shit on there that isn't on the up and up, Creamer Style, that could be recovered (even inadvertently. The DNC themselves don't trust the FBI, and they know already there isn't any conclusive evidence. They want to use "Russia done hacked the election" as a political club, the last thing they want to do is conclusively establish that the evidence is either inconclusive or even non-existent in an official investigation.

Yup.

The Russians hacked the election means that they hacked the DNC and Clinton campaign computers and disseminated the information at the most strategic time. It also may mean that Russia employed a group of people to invent fake news and see how best to spread it on Facebook. The first part is a major problem. The second part, well, that's kind of our own dam fault. It wasn't just Russia doing that either. It turned out to be an easy way for lots of people to make easy money. It turned out that the pro Trump anti Hillary stories were shared more than the reverse, so those made up a larger part of the business.

YesYNot says

The Russians hacked the election means that they hacked the DNC and Clinton campaign computers and disseminated the information at the most strategic time.

Evidence? The most strategic time would have been September-November, not the middle of the summer.

True or False: The DNC emails resulted in the resignation of the DNC Chair for overwhelming bias for one nominee, and further revelations resulted in her replacement resigning for leaking Debate Questions in advance to only one of the party's candidates.

Love how the Media and the Democrats are focused on the remote possibility the DNC hacks were Russian, not on the ethics of such behavior and concentrating on Party Reform.

Also, please explain why the DNC isn't turning over their server for forensic evidence by Counter-intelligence Agencies

YesYNot says

It also may mean that Russia employed a group of people to invent fake news and see how best to spread it on Facebook.

The US government has proveably done so, and not just in foreign countries. There were published contracts from the Pentagon to hire infowarriors to fight back against Iraq War skeptics and detractors, the target of influence being Americans themselves.

Also, that's not hacking, as almost everybody understands the term. And not proven.

YesYNot says

It turned out that the pro Trump anti Hillary stories were shared more than the reverse, so those made up a larger part of the business.

It's long known that conservative chain emails get shared more often, which is a similar case. This was the case long before Trump. Also, Facebook shares tend to go to people who already share similar views, like chain emails.

Nobody mentions how POTUS openly interfered in the Brexit Vote, either.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/284790-nigel-farage-obama-helped-force-brexit
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/obama-brexit-wont-affect-special-relationship-224764
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/04/obamas-brexit-plea/479469/

Was Obama trying to "Hack" the Brexit Referendum?

Or that German Ministers, Holland, Blair all making it clear in no uncertain terms they supported Hillary - during the campaign.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-germany-idUSMTZSAPEC36LTD4ZC
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-trailguide-updates-french-president-endorses-hillary-1467307987-htmlstory.html
http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/02/tony-blair-hillary-clinton-endorsement-219680

Looks like B'liars will believe others after all
https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-09-20/tony-blair-says-he-trusts-hillary-clinton-completely

And Merkel didn't endorse Hillary explicitly but praised her throughout 2016 (and vice-versa)
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-03-06/merkel-lauds-clinton-brushes-off-trump-attacks-over-refugees

Ironman says

Yep, the RNC Convention wasn't until the end of July, where Trump was officially nominated, so he was being surveilled before he was officially the nominee.

Trump wasn't being surveilled at all. Foreign agents were.

Two possibilities to ask for the unmasking of civilians communicating with foreign agents:

- the US citizen is engaging in something illegal
- we need to know the US citizen to understand the context of what is occurring

Just appoint an independent investigation already. Administration swirling in doubt, credibility concerns, ineptitude ... and yes ... it's only been 60+ days to get here. ;)

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

Nobody mentions how POTUS openly interfered in the Brexit Vote, either.

Making your voice known on the issues and for candidates is far different than giving seed money to right wing organizations, hacking emails, and running a propaganda campaign.

I don't care what Russia did. I care what Trump and his administration did. It just happens they appear to have done it with the Russians.

Rew says

giving seed money to right wing organizations

Like alt-left correct the record that spent millions arguing w people on the internet in an attempt to swing public perception?

Rew says

hacking emails,

Like what Obama did to Trump?

Rew says

and running a propaganda campaign.

Like CNN, WashPo, the DNC, and Hillary's $1.2 billion warchest?

Pot meet kettle.

Rew says

I don't care what Russia did.

Um, ok. For the record our intelligence is unsure of Russia's involvement. We basically just know they hack our shit, but cant say for sure where/what/how.

Rew says

I care what Trump and his administration did.

Our intelligence agencies surveilled every transcript of every conversation between Russia and Trump admin. They found zero evidence of any crime, no evidence of collusion. You are allowed to theorize all you want. At this point, if there were fire, we would have found some smoke. So far, nothing.

Using our intelligence overreach as a political weapon is a real crime w actual hard evidence.

Ironman says

bob2356 says

Like Obama being born in kenya?

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bob2356 says

Because trump says so doesn't count.

But if you say so, it counts, right??? It is because YOU say it is.... so sad...

Even trump has given up on this shit. Looks like you are the last one on the planet still believing it.

I didn't see where you posted the statute that Rice violated? Is that coming soon? Like everything you post, the proof will be here on the twelfth of never.

bob2356 says

Equal opportunity unbiased leakers, right? I cannot wait for the Russian leaks and document drops to begin.

That statute I believe is called: "Doing her job." That's a hard one for the Trump administration because they have no clue what theirs actually are.