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Dan8267 2016 May 19, 2:25pm

So piggy CIC is now "Sharingmyintelligencewiththedumbasses"? Not a surprise. Could tell that guy was a dumb ass with a small prick right away.

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curious2 2016 May 19, 4:57pm

Tenpoundbass says

I would have created a Healthcare system from education to staff the Government hospitals, where the staff have to work to pay off their Medical degree.

That is how Mexico achieves 90% lower costs in the medical, dental, and vision sectors. It would take a generation to implement here, although it could go much faster if we allow people with degrees from Mexico and India (among other places) to practice here. Instead, we got NAFTA for the manufacturing sector, and protectionism for the medical sector, so we see lower wages and higher costs.

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curious2 2016 Oct 23, 12:08pm

YesYNot says

Do you have a link for what Stein said about the pipeline?

Here, @YesYNot.

PatNet has a thread on the pipeline deals. Dr. Stein is correct about this issue, but the all wet cuckold chooses to Ignore the reported facts and attack instead with sarcasm. As the map tweeted by Dr. Stein shows, the two proposed pipeline routes are:
1) Sunni: Persian Gulf -> Saudi Arabia -> Jordan -> Syria -> Turkey -> Europe
2) Shia: Persian Gulf -> Iraq -> Syria -> Mediterranean, then either by ship to Europe or subsea pipeline under the Mediterranean via Cyprus, Greece, and then Italy.
Contrary to misleading tweets in the all wet cuckold's thread, the Tabrizâ€“Ankara pipeline does not connect the Persian Gulf gas fields to Europe, nor even Turkey. Tabriz is nearer the Caspian Sea than the Persian Gulf.

The purposes of the wars and sanctions are (1) to preserve Saudi Arabia's market share, and (2) to spread Islam by pumping Sunni Muslims into NATO countries. Libya could have piped gas under the Mediterranean Sea to Italy, but Hillary's War prevented that; today, the Libyans can't secure enough of anything to compete with the Clintons' Saudi sponsors. That was likewise the purpose and effect of the Bush/Clinton wars and sanctions against Iraq.

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FNWGMOBDVZXDNW 2016 Oct 23, 6:13pm

Thanks @curious2 . That was interesting.

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curious2 2016 Nov 17, 2:09pm

I decided to move this comment here to avoid bringing down the tone of the thread in which it appeared originally.

anonymous says

Hope we are not losing all the female members here.

Overall pageviews seem to be down, probably active Users are down too. Patrick has chosen to go in a dark direction, "The Joy of Triggering." It has drawn at least one Nazi; an anti-semitic, racist loser; a closeted troll who overcompensates by calling everybody "faggot", and other assorted obnoxiousness. Gary has returned, more delusional than ever, now crusading for Islam, not only in Israel but worldwide. Not much fun to be around. I'm sort of waiting for AF/DBOAPD to put the place out of its misery, but meanwhile it limps along, with the diarrhetic tovbot on auto-pilot as if nothing had changed.

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Tenpoundbass 2016 Nov 17, 2:37pm

Thanks C

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Tenpoundbass 2016 Dec 24, 6:18am

What's he building in there?

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curious2 2017 Feb 14, 2:53pm

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says

If CNN cared about journalism, theyâ€™d hire Rosie Oâ€™Donnell to show up at White House briefings naked, smeared in transmission fluid to bark these questions two inches from the nose of Melissa McCarthy imitator Sean Spicer.

AF, America and CNN are in crying need of your leadership. With you at the helm, CNN would soar to #1 network. Meanwhile, we have to make do with old movies:

www.youtube.com/embed/Fj5k6toS7i8

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curious2 2017 Apr 11, 5:16pm

Dan8267 says

He no longer exists.

Even early Christians disagreed whether Jesus lived as an actual person, and Paul seems to have believed he didn't, and some of the epistles officially attributed to Paul do not appear to have been written by Paul. There is no proof other than some of the other Gospels that contradicted Paul. Christianity as received results from Constantine imposing the religion upon Rome, and requiring therefore a uniform doctrine. Implying Jesus walked as a person is therefore endorsing a religious view with neither scientific basis nor theological unanimity.

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curious2 2017 May 7, 1:37pm

YesYNot says

just any guy says

Let me also add that the uninsured tend to use the ER because they have to be admitted. The ER, on average, costs 5x that of a normal doctor visit.

That was a big driver that was expected to lost costs when the aca lowered the number of uninsured. Common sense tells you that the benefit is long term, while the cost is front loaded. That's too much nuance for a national debate though.

@YesYNot, if Democrats got you to believe that, then they fooled you with a lie. Romneycare was enacted years before Obamneycare, and the numbers from Romneycare disproved the Democrats' claims on that point among others. Emergency hospitizations and spending (AKA revenue to the patronage networks that wrote the legislation) went up, not down. At the national level, when Obamneycare hit with full force in 2014, spending (patronage revenue) increased while life expectancy flatlined. The following year, spending/revenue increased again, while life expectancy fell. It isn't about nuance, it's about lies. Calling lies "nuance" is the sort of organizationspeak that can grease the wheels in some circuits, but it doesn't change what they are.

I'm replying here because I'm not interested in the ad hominem thunderdome stuff, and I'm making an effort to adjust SIWOTI management by addressing specific comments individually rather than the people who wrote them.

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FNWGMOBDVZXDNW 2017 May 7, 2:19pm

curious2 says

the numbers from Romneycare disproved the Democrats' claims on that point among others.

I'm open to real proof on this topic, but your post didn't discuss the time issue. Frankly, I don't have the time or inclination to research it myself. Here's what I would consider a nuanced discussion:

1) When discussing the total US yearly money spent on health care after passage of the ACA, I'd like to see it plotted on a curve that showed the trajectory of yearly expenses before the ACA. It was growing unsustainably beforehand, so the real interesting question is how that was changed.
2) The ACA extended both preventive care and acute care to people who didn't get it previously. The preventive care should add cost in the first X number of years. After a long enough time, one would expect that the preventive care should reduce the number of emergency visits. How many years should this take? I haven't seen any analysis of it.
3) There should also be an increase in costs due to people with newfound insurance getting treated for things that they had been letting go (call it deferred maintenance). This should go down over time. How long should that take?
4) There are a lot of excess charge expenses due to people not understanding that they should avoid the emergency room. If it was favorable to avoid this, it could be addressed through education. On the other hand, these excessive charges are just the emergency rooms spreading the costs of keeping the doors open from the true emergencies to the people who should get treated elsewhere (who shouldn't go to the ER from a microeconomics perspective). So, if people did learn to avoid the ER unless it is absolutely necessary, then the prices for true emergencies would probably go up as ERs try to stay afloat.

These are not things that I've been told to think. It's just what I can think of offhand while thinking about this topic. I've not seen any evidence in your post or elsewhere that really gets to the bottom of these questions.

Where you and I may agree on more is that a lot of tests probably do more bad than good. Many tests tend to show problems that end up causing unnecessary procedures, when these problems would have been fine if left untreated. More people having too many procedures is not a good thing. That's a problem that ideally would be addressed soon, but isn't central to the issue of who pays what and how for health care, IMO.

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curious2 2017 May 7, 7:01pm

YesYNot says

Frankly, I don't have the time or inclination to research it myself... I'd like to see it plotted on a curve...

The federal actuaries at CMS.gov published a 10-year projection table showing that Obamneycare would increase total national expenditure faster and higher than prior law. I've linked it at least twice on PatNet. It was a table though, not a curve, and since you seem immune to data, I don't feel any inclination to plot the numbers on a curve for you. As for the hospitalization numbers in Massachusetts, those were widely published at the time and subsequently, they're easy to find.

Predictably, you don't even bother asking the right question: why do hospitals charge so much more for the same services; the answer is because they can, due to lobbying and influencing government at all levels. There is no reason for stitches at an American hospital to cost more than anywhere else in the world: it's the same thread, the same technique.

YesYNot says

These are not things that I've been told to think. It's just what I can think of offhand while thinking about this topic.

Of course. That is essential to how the conditioning and hypnosis game works, though I do suspect some petrodollar influence along with your Muslim grad student(s). As with Podesta's brother being a highly paid agent of a foreign power, it is essential that you maintain the illusion of having thought of your opinions on your own.

Yes, excessive diagnostic testing leads to unnecessary procedures. So-called "preventive care" does not save money, and most of it doesn't even extend life expectancy (except a narrow subset of mammograms, age 50-70 IIRC). The rest of it is about maximizing revenue, and it operates as designed. Expecting it to reduce costs in the long run is like seeing the light at the end of the tunnel in Viet Nam: it's an oncoming train.

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FNWGMOBDVZXDNW 2017 May 8, 3:24am

curious2 says

It was a table though, not a curve, and since you seem immune to data

curious2 says

Predictably, you don't even bother asking the right question:

curious2 says

Of course. That is essential to how the conditioning and hypnosis game works,... it is essential that you maintain the illusion of having thought of your opinions on your own.

Gee. That was fun. We should do that again sometime.

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curious2 2017 May 8, 12:58pm

YesYNot says

Gee. That was fun. We should do that again sometime.

You're right, I drifted from the comment to perceived patterns about the person. I continue to have difficulty with SIWOTI, and must continue working on that. I've made some progress but have also stumbled. I am sorry about that.

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curious2 2017 May 26, 1:33pm

YesYNot says

@marcus,

I suggest that when curious goes after you, just point out his ad hom focus, and do not respond. Don't respond with overt insults. Curious definitely has a hard on for you. One of his more creative insults of me was to say that 'you're not as dumb as marcus'. I have no doubt he has a bookmark folder for you with all of the posts he thinks he can use to show us how dumb you are.

@YesYNot, I decided to reply to your vulgar and false comment here rather than continue to detract from the terrorism thread. I am uninterested in marcus, as is almost everyone else apparently. He insists that I hate him, but that's not even true. He trolls people all the time, trying to make them hate him, and he becomes emotionally overwrought when they simply prove him wrong using evidence and reason.

Also, you are either really bad at paraphrasing and search engines, or you are lying yet again. Here is the comment you distorted above. I did not call either of you dumb, but you do both lack integrity.

Lastly, I replied to your parachute question in a different thread. I will paste that reply here too, because you should consider more carefully what you are inviting upon yourself and others when you support spreading Islam.

sagacious1 says

Is Islam incompatible with other forms of government?

Ultimately, you cannot long combine Islam and democracy without sliding into Sharia, which crushes all other religions and western notions of liberty. In most countries that have Muslim majorities, most Muslims demand Sharia. Read about Asia Bibi on death row in Pakistan, and the assassination of Governor Taseer, and the incarceration of the former governor of Jakarta, Basuki Purnama (Ahok), now in prison sentenced for blasphemy, and see some of the consequences. As Islam metastasizes through a society, it takes over and kills everything else: most countries that have more than 20% Muslims, have more than 90% Muslims. As Nassim Taleb wrote, the west is "committing suicide" by importing Islam.

To respond to YesYNot's parachuting question, the invade&import westerners are throwing their neighbors' kids out of otherwise safe planes, and feeling good about it, because parachutes usually work. The problem with using past statistics regarding terror is they do not guarantee future results. One nuclear bomb can ruin your whole day. An egomaniacal person, or a group of believers in a megalomaniacal doctrine, can tend to explode when facts hurt their feelings. Islam maximizes the resulting carnage. More than 20 Muslim countries have already agreed a world plan against blasphemy, and the Islamic State has published online kill lists including Americans living in America. It reminds me of a poem:

"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak outâ€”
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak outâ€”
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak outâ€”
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for meâ€”and there was no one left to speak for me."

Atheists are disbelievers, blasphemers, and now by definition terrorists according to Saudi law. I hope they won't find you, @YesYNot, but they do have a plan. I suggest you should speak out while you still can, and not throw kids out of planes without their consent, even if you enjoy parachuting in your spare time. There is nothing virtuous about spreading Islam. If MSM photos of hapless Muslims (notice they don't show hapless Hindus or Buddhists) require you to do something for Muslims, send them some Richard Dawkins books (which they will probably burn).

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curious2 2017 May 26, 1:47pm

I decided to move the comment below from a terrorism thread where it didn't belong:

FP says

marcus says

It's not addressing or even reflecting an attempt to comprehend anything

Here you are wrong, marcus. George is trying hard but damn *** brain...

Actually, when you collapse into calling me names because you cannot respond with evidence and reason, you have conceded that you are wrong and lost the argument.

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curious2 2017 May 26, 1:53pm

FP says

George is typing again. Someday should make a documentary about him.

@FP, if you want to call me a monkey, at least you could refrain from littering other threads with your ad hominem irrelevance. Use this reply thread.

I look forward to the documentary, btw. Patient person tries to educate a snarky troll who keeps calling him a monkey. If you're anything like marcus, you'll start exploding when you see that you can't make me hate you. I persist in giving you additional chances to redeem yourself. Someday, you might get it right.

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curious2 2017 May 31, 1:47am

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