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HappyGilmore says

what the rationale could be when declaring that someone planting bombs designed to kill people isn't terrorism?

Its called murder. This guy was indeed out to cause mayhem and terror. He was not, however, a terrorist since he has no known political or group motive. He was just a nihilistic FUCK, who wanted to murder strangers. If he was a member of a group that had a goal of overthrowing the patriarchy, for example, then there may be a case for calling this terrorism. THAT still wouldnt be WHITE TERROR unless his group identity and motivation behind this attack was somehow linked to a "WHITE" group.

OFC everything is an assumption at this point, so we really don't know.

This isnt complicated, just seems like the left cant skip a chance to shit on white men. Quite pathetic

mell says

No that would be a clear lie since there are no Christian motives at all.

This is true. The bomber's likely origin in the majority ethnic group and majority religion is completely irrelevant because those characteristics have nothing to do with his motive (as far as we know so far).

Islamic bombing is the opposite, where the religion is the bomber's main motive for the bombing, and the attack is very loudly proclaimed to be for Islam in pretty much every case.

CBOEtrader says

This isnt complicated, just seems like the left cant skip a chance to shit on white men. Quite pathetic

No, it's just a chance to, once again, show the hypocrisy of the Trump supporters.

CBOEtrader says

just seems like the left cant skip a chance to shit on white men

The unifying theme of the NY Times and NPR is that they shit on white men every day, either explicitly, or implicitly by selecting daily coverage of and showing great sympathy for anyone who is not white and male, simply because they are not white and male.

The NY Times and NPR are nearly perfect examples of racism and sexism (and psychological projection) in daily life.

If this is the deceased suspect, it's a refutation of the Media/DNC (but I repeat myself) line about it being "White Terror"

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/reddit-user-claims-austin-bomber-compares-zodiac-article-1.3886094

HappyGilmore says

deepcgi says

Ah...sarcasm. I think you’ll find that bombs are already illegal. Apparently didn’t matter did it?

Again--so the solution is to get rid of all laws then?

Last I checked, people are still getting raped, so rape laws don't matter

Please point out here who said get rid of all laws? Please link it.

What's been pointed out with the delusional Libbies is that laws already exist on the books that make these acts illegal, but the Libbies think adding NEW laws will stop future attacks.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

If this is the deceased suspect, it's a refutation of the Media/DNC (but I repeat myself) line about it being "White Terror"

Can you provide a DNC or media source claiming it was white terror?

HappyGilmore says

Pretty sure most here would assume it was Islamic terrorism if he was Muslim.

If he yelled "Alahu Ahkbar" before he did it, the muslim terror would be a reasonable guess.

If there were a string and pattern of christians terrorizing the country using bombs like this, then assuming christian terror may be valid.

In this situation, there is no association between his christian family, and his actions. Unless they find a manifesto where he says something to that nature than calling it WHITE or CHRISTIAN terror is pure bigotry. Its a deplorable move... but go ahead and try to make your bigoted point if ya like.

HappyGilmore says

No, it's just a chance to, once again, show the hypocrisy of the Trump supporters.

What hypocrisy would that be?

Sniper says

What's been pointed out with the delusional Libbies is that laws already exist on the books that make these acts illegal, but the Libbies think adding NEW laws will stop future attacks.

Yeah i noticed his bait and switch too. Very weak, illogical argument

CBOEtrader says

In this situation, there is no association between his christian family, and his actions. Unless they find a manifesto where he says something to that nature than calling it WHITE or CHRISTIAN terror is pure bigotry. Its a deplorable move... but go ahead and try to make your bigoted point if ya like.

No, my point is we should all be non-bigoted and not assume anything.

Just fyi:

http://time.com/3934980/right-wing-extremists-white-terrorism-islamist-jihadi-dangerous/

"Study Says White Extremists Have Killed More Americans in the U.S. Than Jihadists Since 9/11"

HappyGilmore says

"Study Says White Extremists Have Killed More Americans in the U.S. Than Jihadists Since 9/11"

Convenient. Why 9/11 is excluded? Because it tips the scale in unwanted direction?

HappyGilmore says

No, it's just a chance to, once again, show the hypocrisy of the Trump supporters.

So you are being hypocritical with the intent to show that someone else is hypocritical. FACEPALM

The left is today so lost in their foolish righteousness that they justify obvious deplorable behavior. Its ok to be racist against whites, because some white guy somewhere behaved racist once.

This is the logic that leads to death camps. Please stop the righteous racism before things get worse.

HappyGilmore says

Just fyi:

http://time.com/3934980/right-wing-extremists-white-terrorism-islamist-jihadi-dangerous/

"Study Says White Extremists Have Killed More Americans in the U.S. Than Jihadists Since 9/11"

Wow, just wow...

..."In their June study, the foundation decided to examine groups “engaged in violent extremist activity” and found that white extremists were by far the most dangerous. They pointed to the recent Emanuel AME Church shooting in Charleston, S.C., and the 2012 attack on a Sikh temple in Wisconsin, as well as many lesser-known attacks on Jewish institutions and on police. They found that 48 people were killed by white terrorists, while 26 were killed by radical Islamists, since Sept. 11.

This is what is being used to support a narrative? Unbelievable

Hell, 48 get killed in a month in Chicago.

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

HappyGilmore says

"Study Says White Extremists Have Killed More Americans in the U.S. Than Jihadists Since 9/11"

Convenient. Why 9/11 is excluded? Because it tips the scale in unwanted direction?

Those studies have been debunked many times cause they group everything Caucasian without motive under white extremism. The real numbers are the polar opposite to what they claim.

HappyGilmore says

"Study Says White Extremists Have Killed More Americans in the U.S. Than Jihadists Since 9/11"

This is a very weak argument as well, since whites outnumber Muslims in America by something like 40 to 1.

The fact that Muslim terrorist attacks are similarly frequent means that Muslims are attacking innocent Americans at about 40 times the reverse rate.

Sniper says

..."In their June study, the foundation decided to examine groups “engaged in violent extremist activity” and found that white extremists were by far the most dangerous. They pointed to the recent Emanuel AME Church shooting in Charleston, S.C., and the 2012 attack on a Sikh temple in Wisconsin, as well as many lesser-known attacks on Jewish institutions and on police. They found that 48 people were killed by white terrorists, while 26 were killed by radical Islamists, since Sept. 11.

Debunk this very quickly:

Whites are more than 70% of the US Population.
Muslims are 1% of the US Population.

Therefore, White Supremacists would have to kill hundreds of people each year to merely EQUAL the Islamic Domestic Fatalities in the USA.

CBOEtrader says

righteous racism

Good description.

mell says

Those studies have been debunked many times cause they group everything Caucasian without motive under white extremism. The real numbers are the polar opposite to what they claim.

Exactly. And the opposite, like the DC Sniper, isn't considered an Islamic Attack, even though the notebook is filled with Quranic Quotes and he asks Allah to help him kill.

And I think one of the US Base attacks, though clearly Islamic, isn't counted as a Terror Attack but as "Mental Illness" (as is Mohammed Allen or whatever the DC Sniper was called).

While the guy who hated the IRS and crashed a plane into it, is counted as White Supremacist Terror, even though the guy wasn't at all racist and simply hated the IRS. A terrorist maybe, but not a White Surpemacist one.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

Sniper says

..."In their June study, the foundation decided to examine groups “engaged in violent extremist activity” and found that white extremists were by far the most dangerous. They pointed to the recent Emanuel AME Church shooting in Charleston, S.C., and the 2012 attack on a Sikh temple in Wisconsin, as well as many lesser-known attacks on Jewish institutions and on police. They found that 48 people were killed by white terrorists, while 26 were killed by radical Islamists, since Sept. 11.

Debunk this very quickly:

Whites are more than 70% of the US Population.
Muslims are 1% of the US Population.

Therefore, White Supremacists would have to kill hundreds of people each year to merely EQUAL the Islamic Domestic Fatalities in the USA.

That doesnt even count cherrypicking dates. "Since 911..." You mean when terrorists killed 3000 americans? OK, so since then they have to manipulate data to suggest that white extremists have killed 48 people. How does anyone not see the foolishness of this logic?

Sure lets just leave out the event that killed 60 times the number of people that white extremists supposedly have killed in the last 17 years. Seems totally reasonable. DOUBLE FACEPALM

TwoScoopsPlissken says

A terrorist maybe, but not a White Surpemacist one.

Yeah if you go into the details of the data, it is all garbage. Total idiocy on a platter only accepted by those affected by the worst confirmation bias.

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

Convenient. Why 9/11 is excluded? Because it tips the scale in unwanted direction?

Because that's when they chose to start the study?

CBOEtrader says

So you are being hypocritical with the intent to show that someone else is hypocritical. FACEPALM

Yes, it's a common technique to help others see their own faults. People see it immediately in others, but are painfully blind and unable to see it in themselves.

Still waiting for Two Scoops source on DNC or media calling him a White Terrorist.

Coming soon?

Sniper says

What hypocrisy would that be?

There are so many to choose from. In this case, Trump supporters are all "Don't jump to any conclusions, let's wait and see the motive"

CBOEtrader says

Sniper says

What's been pointed out with the delusional Libbies is that laws already exist on the books that make these acts illegal, but the Libbies think adding NEW laws will stop future attacks.

Yeah i noticed his bait and switch too. Very weak, illogical argument

lol--Is someone going to tell me why we have any laws on the books at all??

Criminals don't follow them, so what's the point???

Family Guy reference:

Speaking of White Terror, within 24 hours of this guy blowing himself up, we have multiple footage released by the Austin PD.

Where is the Footage of the Las Vegas Shooter? Been like 6 months.

They're both dead so neither is awaiting trial, so what gives LVPD?

rando says

CBOEtrader says

just seems like the left cant skip a chance to shit on white men

The unifying theme of the NY Times and NPR is that they shit on white men every day,

People may not realize, or not care, but I personally quite agree that white men as a group are badly treated in US society. Indeed, all men are treated very badly in almost all countries of the world. But the proper response to that problem is not to paper over the occurrences of white (and christian) males killing people as mental illness, while jumping on opportunities to denounce non-white non-christian males misdeeds as "terrorism". The solution to the mistreatment of white males is not to exclaim, at every opportunity, "look at those non-white non-Christian (meaning Muslim) men, they are much worse than us, they are TERRORISTS!".

Indeed, there is a group of predominantly white and so-called Christian men in Washington that are responsible for killing large number of Muslims, and by a huge factor, maybe 400X if you look at 5k dead US soldiers and 2M dead in the Middle East wars. Not to speak of completely demolishing entire cities in order to rid them of terrorists that the US Government pretty much enabled or created with previous and ongoing evil and stupid actions.

What this thread is about is the hypocrisy of these Washington (mostly) white men (and women such as Condoleeza Rice, Hillary Clinton, Viktoria Nuland), and their murder-apologist supporters that uncritically enable this mass slaughter. There exists no valid moral reason for 2M dead Arabs in the ME since 2003. It is all complete bullshit and psychopathic power games.

It dumbfounds me that people do not understand this.

justme says

It is all complete bullshit and psychopathic power games.

And enrichment of a selected segment of population - ones who already are ultra-rich.

justme says

It dumbfounds me that people do not understand this.

Lol, please show some causal connection between Christianity and the bad things you mention!

We should also complain about people who breathe air, because all terrorists breathe air, right?

HappyGilmore says

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

Convenient. Why 9/11 is excluded? Because it tips the scale in unwanted direction?

Because that's when they chose to start the study?

It's a non-answer. Why did they choose to start the study specifically after 9/11? What's so special about 09/12/2001 that made it a perferct day for the start of the study? It's not like info on terror acts prior to 09/12/2001 is unavailable or unreliable - I'd say we have a pretty good record of this kind of events in the West going at least a century back.

Patrick says

Lol, please show some causal connection between Christianity and the bad things you mention!

Try this logic on for size:

It is ok for white Christians to kill 2M Muslims, because we are not doing it because we are Christian, we are doing it because they are Muslim, and that is a bad and violent religion.

It is not ok for Arab Muslims to kill 3k (9/11) + 5k white Christians, because they are doing it motivated by being Muslim.

Do people see the problem in the above? In my logic, It is NOT ok to kill 2M humans because some religious relatives of these 2M humans killed 3k humans.

HappyGilmore says

criminals don't follow laws, so why make more of them"

That is basically arguing for zero laws. Rapists don't follow laws, so why make it illegal?

I know Leftists are horrid at logic, but this is just pathetic!

Let me break this into tiny bites so even a Leftist can (possibly) Understand it. A caveman does have more of a chance, but here we go anyway.

You’re not a criminal until you’ve BROKEN a law! After that, we don’t need more laws to prosecute you, what we need is law ENFORCEMENT!

False analogy!

The war in Iraq was because of George W Fucking Bush, a super friend of the most violent extremist Muslims, the Saudis.

Please show some causation due to Christianity.

HappyGilmore says

lol--Is someone going to tell me why we have any laws on the books at all??

So we have legal recourse when someone breaks them.

justme says

Indeed, there is a group of predominantly white and so-called Christian men in Washington that are responsible for killing large number of Muslims, and by a huge factor, maybe 400X if you look at 5k dead US soldiers and 2M dead in the Middle East wars. Not to speak of completely demolishing entire cities in order to rid them of terrorists that the US Government pretty much enabled or created with previous and ongoing evil and stupid actions.

Yup thats why voting for D's and R's is a terrible idea. I'm glad you are on the Trump train. #maga

justme says

What this thread is about

According to the OP, the thread is about calling this guy a WHITE TERRORIST. Dont expect anyone to read your mind or follow your "dog whistle" if it isnt explained in clear language.

HappyGilmore says

Still waiting for Two Scoops source on DNC or media calling him a White Terrorist.

Coming soon?

Still waiting for HG to tell us what NEW laws would prevent these mass shootings and terror bombings.

Coming soon?

Quigley says

HappyGilmore says

criminals don't follow laws, so why make more of them"

That is basically arguing for zero laws. Rapists don't follow laws, so why make it illegal?

I know Leftists are horrid at logic, but this is just pathetic!

It's so pathetic, it almost borders on trolling.

justme says

Patrick says

Lol, please show some causal connection between Christianity and the bad things you mention!

Try this logic on for size:

It is ok for white Christians to kill 2M Muslims, because we are not doing it because we are Christian, we are doing it because they are Muslim, and that is a bad and violent religion.

It is not ok for Arab Muslims to kill 3k (9/11) + 5k white Christians, because they are doing it motivated by being Muslim.

Do people see the problem in the above? In my logic, It is NOT ok to kill 2M humans because some religious relatives of these 2M humans killed 3k humans.

That's bs cause we didn't kill them, this has been a constant war zone. If the US pulled out and let Israel do whatever they wanted they'd already have annexed most if not all of middle east. But if this is what you want/prefer (Israeli dominance) instead if the status quo then you do actually have a point.