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I'm not impressed with Obama, but have to admit that at least he didn't lie to start a pointless war like Bush II did.

GW Bush is clearly the worst president ever, imho.

Patrick says

I'm not impressed with Obama, but have to admit that at least he didn't lie to start a pointless war like Bush II did.

I'm not convinced that any war is pointless although I do agree that the reason that the media gives is bullshit. Follow the money. Cui bono. As far as the worst president goes, the least significant: Gerald Ford.

GW Bush was pretty bard. Ford and Obama and Carter are about equally awful.

The could-have-been worst President was John McCain.

Patrick says

I'm not impressed with Obama, but have to admit that at least he didn't lie to start a pointless war like Bush II did.

GW Bush is clearly the worst president ever, imho.

True, But Obama did lie to give us Obamacare and he did lie about free trade and gave us the TPP. he did lie about TPP and nSA and turned out to use the deep state to interfere in a Presidnetial election.

lostand confused says

True, But Obama did lie to give us Obamacare and he did lie about free trade and gave us the TPP. he did lie about TPP and nSA and turned out to use the deep state to interfere in a Presidnetial election.

Huh??? Reality doesn't work for you somehow? The US entered TPP negotiations under Bush. How did Obama give us TPP, it was never passed or even sent to congress for consideration. WTF?

OOOH The DEEP STATE boogeyman. Are we going to get another BLOCKBUSTER about the DEEP STATE that is going to send hillary/obama to jaii? I'm all aquiver with anticipation.

George W. Bush - our first "intellectually disabled" president.

Booger says

In a new Quinnipiac University Poll, 33% named Obama the worst president since World War II, and 28% put Bush at the bottom of post-war presidents.

"Over the span of 69 years of American history and 12 presidencies, President Barack Obama finds himself with President George W. Bush at the bottom of the popularity barrel," said Tim Malloy, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll.

Ronald Reagan topped the poll as the best president since World War II, with 35%

Who did they poll, the heritage foundation? Bush lived us into war, destabilized the entire mid east. created an endless war in Afghanistan by going after the taliban instead of sticking with al queda, created a giant bubble and 2nd worst crash in US history, and gave us a huge unfunded giveaway to pharma. Obama gave us a huge unfunded giveaway to health insurance and managed to not fuck up the recovery or make bush's wars any worse. I'm having a lot of trouble seeing how the poll got the results it did.

Reagan? Really? He is a god to the current on trick pony (all tax cuts all the time) republican party, but the reality is his policies were the beginning of the fall of the middle class, the rise of the plutocrats. and the explosion of the debt. Most of his economic success was from Carter's deregulation and a huge drop in the price of oil ($120 down to $20) at a time when the US, especially industry, was much less energy efficient. He was a good president but I think he got sold a bill of goods by the trickle down fanatics

bob2356 says

Reagan? Really?

He has the blood of AIDS fatalities on his hands.

bob2356 says

Huh??? Reality doesn't work for you somehow? The US entered TPP negotiations under Bush. How did Obama give us TPP, it was never passed or even sent to congress for consideration. WTF?

OOOH The DEEP STATE boogeyman. Are we going to get another BLOCKBUSTER about the DEEP STATE that is going to send hillary/obama to jaii? I'm all aquiver with anticipation.

Obama negotiated TPP and pushed for it and was ready to sign it, except Trump won. Hilary called it he gold standard of trade deals. Stop.

Deep state is the most dangerous thing in America. until now the police and dep state were taregting low income folks-we are the msot incarcerated nation in the entire world. Now they are going after a president-while you laugh. Democrats, democrats-of course what do you except-quite a few demcorats have called for a coup openly . That the FBI spied on Trump is not in question -the only thing left to find out is who ordered it and how much and when Obama knew.

I am sure you are still arguing Obamacare is great. It is truly astounding to know how little democrats care about democracy-just like the traitors of yore who gave up their country to the enemy, because they had a dispute with the current ruler.

Bush came in during a time of the Everyday Joe Millionaire.
He sat out to destroy that and make sure it never happened again.
He picked FED cheifs that knew how to pimp slap the bitches back line.

Jane Doe the secretary getting rich day trading in tech stocks. Well the FED declared it was over exuberance and not worth a penny. Then after it crashed Bush allowed micro Monopolies in every tech sector. Then those same day traders that lost in tech tried their hand in real estate. Bush's FED chiefs were obliged to set them all up to fail with Mortgages most working class homeowners would never be able to pay back and repay. Bush set out to destroy the middle class. Obama came into lift the affirmative action class up into every government and administration job to rule over the ex-middle class with prejudice and then told them they don't count in the job numbers.

The two of them together were a 1-2 punch to create what we had before Trump. That reality was planned it was not an accident.

lostand confused says

Obama negotiated TPP and pushed for it and was ready to sign it, except Trump won. Hilary called it he gold standard of trade deals. Stop.

Ready to sign what? It never even went to congress. There is that pesky little detail from the constitution about congress passing it.

lostand confused says

Deep state is the most dangerous thing in America. until now the police and dep state were taregting low income folks-we are the msot incarcerated nation in the entire world. Now they are going after a president-while you laugh. Democrats, democrats-of course what do you except-quite a few demcorats have called for a coup openly . That the FBI spied on Trump is not in question -the only thing left to find out is who ordered it and how much and when Obama knew

We are now officially in the twilight zone. or infowars zone hard to tell the difference.

lostand confused says

I am sure you are still arguing Obamacare is great. It is truly astounding to know how little democrats care about democracy-just like the traitors of yore who gave up their country to the enemy, because they had a dispute with the current ruler.

You somehow missed my gazillion posts against obamacare or just spouting of willfully ignorant demagoguery nonsense? Last time I checked democracy was when our elected representatives in congress passed a bill, even a really shitty bill like the tax cut, medicare D (whoops those were republican bills), or obamacare and the president signed them. That is now considered a traitorous action giving up the country to the enemy? Citizens without health insurance are the enemy? Was that the sovereign nation of the uninsured? Was the constitution changed recently and I didn't read about it? Much mystery here.

bob2356 says

Ready to sign what? It never even went to congress. There is that pesky little detail from the constitution about congress passing it.

Oh dear Bobbie. LOL-again do you troll or just actually believe this nonsense.
the remaining tripe-oh well, come back to the real world and we can have a healthy debate.

Obama was also the first Gay President with a Tranny Wife

lostand confused says

Oh dear Bobbie. LOL-again do you troll or just actually believe this nonsense.
the remaining tripe-oh well, come back to the real world and we can have a healthy debate.

Could you post the congressional vote on TPP. I missed it. or the changes to the constitution where congress doesn't have to vote in favor of bills before going to the president to sign? I'm not sure how the constitutional process of governance is trolling. Want to explain since you seem to be a scholar of government?

Could also use a little explanation of how the uninsured are the enemy or how passing a bill and the president signing it is just like the traitors of yore. I thought that was what governments diid. Obviously I was mistaken.

These s simply questions about your statements. An explanation should not be hard.

Tenpoundbass says

Obama was also the first Gay President with a Tranny Wife

Really? You know this from personal experience?

bob2356 says

Ready to sign what? It never even went to congress. There is that pesky little detail from the constitution about congress passing it.

The GOPe combined with the rank and file Democrats marching in lockstep with Her< would have passed it easily. We all know this.
I was almost as upset with the Republican Party as with the Democrats before Trump got elected and began the GOP rehabilitation. It’s still got a ways to go, but that will be up to the voters to finish the job.

Quigley says

The GOPe combined with the rank and file Democrats marching in lockstep with Her< would have passed it easily. We all know this.

We all knew hillary would win and obamacare would get repealed also. How'd that work out? The only sure things are death and taxes.

Obama was the first purely manufactured cardboard cutout legend to be elected President. As fake as Max Headroom.

They looked for a politically correct composite candidate, puffed him and funded him, plastered token medals on his chest like a banana republic generalissimo, had him write bogus books on African ancestry, and set him out there promising free shit for the electorate to devour.

Obama should be in the top 3 for Libya, Syria, Iran and ObamaCare alone.

Honestly think bush was worse than obama but not by much. I never liked Reagan still think he is the worst one out of the bunch.

Obama can never be judged due to elephants obstruction, announced, right out of the gate.
Anything bad he did after that can be chalked up to vengence...
Patrick says

I'm not impressed with Obama,

BlueSardine says

Obama can never be judged due to elephants obstruction, announced, right out of the gate.
Anything bad he did after that can be chalked up to vengence...

Oh you mean he acted like a Jive Ass Bitch for 8 years blaming the previous administration. Trump inherited nothing but Shit from Obama. A Justice Department out to frame him and overthrow his office. He hired thugs to beat and harangue his supporters at inauguration and Trump events. The Idiot even moved into digs close to the White house so he could obstruct and sully any legacy he may have left worth keeping.

Obama is Shit.

I am convinced that most of the DC establishment felt threatened by real change and did everything they could, including illegal acts, to thwart democracy for, you know, the good of the country.

Tenpoundbass says

Obama was also the first Gay President with a Tranny Wife

Booger says

In a new Quinnipiac University Poll, 33% named Obama the worst president since World War II, and 28% put Bush at the bottom of post-war presidents.

Recency effect. As Westerners find their standard of living drifting closer to the rest of the world, they'll blame whoever is in power. Sorry DJT.

Here's the crux. If you believe in Capitalism, then you believe in competition based on price. This includes wages from poor countries competing with wages from rich countries. If you don't want to compete, then you're a Leftist.

Booger says

Poll: Obama 'worst president' since World War II

How could you post this Booger? It's disgusting, it's false, it's racist. Obama is the second worst President. Jimmy Carter was the worst.

Booger says

In a new Quinnipiac University Poll, 33% named Obama the worst president since World War II, and 28% put Bush at the bottom of post-war presidents.

Booger says

Ronald Reagan topped the poll as the best president since World War II, with 35%

Gee, I wonder whether it's more or less the same people.

Strategist says

Obama is the second worst President. Jimmy Carter was the worst.

Yeah but at least Jimmy made amends in his post presidency. He's the best ex-President America ever had.
The guy is 90 yrs old still out there swinging hammers to provide shelter for the unfortunate. He's what Bono tried to be, but Bono pockets the money and doesn't do shit for anyone but himself. He took his foundation money and bought Facebook stock when they went public. Funny thing Bono hasn't done one single philanthropic thing since.

Strategist says

it's false, it's racist. Obama is the second worst President. Jimmy Carter was the worst.

Jimmy didn't lie us into war, destabilize the entire mid east, or blow a giant wall street bubble that led to a horrific crash of the economy. His deregulation and appointing of volker actually set up decades of increased prosperity. What metrics are you judging worst by?

Feux Follets says

Race - that is why Barrack came in last amongs't a polling group that was 73% white.

That was presumably also why he got elected with electorate which was about 70% white.../sarc off. Everything is racism, unless it is directed against Fucking White Males, in which case it is an achievement to be emulated.

Patrick says

GW Bush is clearly the worst president ever, imho.

Wholeheartedly agreed, and Obama does not come close. I think Obama was an empty suit, which is way better than habitual liar and deceiver Bush (WMD's). Bush started pointless wars that resulted in at least hundreds of thousands of deaths, cut taxes while doing that, and to waste even more taxpayer's money, started his Medicare XYZ giveaway to pharma. It also seems that in Bush time the destruction of the middle class rapidly accelerated.

Feux Follets says

Race - that is why Barrack came in last amongs't a polling group that was 73% white.

Remember that more white people voted for Obama than every other ethnic group put together.
Perhaps the current sentiment has more to do with his lackluster performance than any entrenched racism.

Quigley says

Feux Follets says

Race - that is why Barrack came in last amongs't a polling group that was 73% white.

Remember that more white people voted for Obama than every other ethnic group put together.
Perhaps the current sentiment has more to do with his lackluster performance than any entrenched racism.

That's right, and what percentage of blacks voted for Obama since the race card and identity politics is being used?

Quigley says

Remember that more white people voted for Obama than every other ethnic group put together.

This has nothing to do with the number of racist assholes that always hated that uppity negro for having the audacity to become President while being black. We're talking people that would have voted against him just for being a democrat. But being a black democrat made it so much worse for them when he won.

marcus says

This has nothing to do with the number of racist assholes that always hated that uppity negro for having the audacity to become President while being black.

If you’re going to insist on paying attention to everyone’s opinion on everything, you’re going to be fucking disappointed 100% of the time

Tenpoundbass says

Strategist says

Obama is the second worst President. Jimmy Carter was the worst.

Yeah but at least Jimmy made amends in his post presidency. He's the best ex-President America ever had.
The guy is 90 yrs old still out there swinging hammers to provide shelter for the unfortunate.

Jimmy Carter is a wonderful man, but was a horrible President.
If I had Trump as a neighbor on one side, and Carter as a neighbor on the other side, who's door do you think I would knock in the middle of the night in an emergency?

Quigley says

If you’re going to insist on paying attention to everyone’s opinion on everything, you’re going to be fucking disappointed 100% of the time

It was actually a logic based response to what I thought you were inferring.

Yes, a lot of white people voted for Obama. Many of them wish we had him as President still. The fact that 33% of people out there think Obama was the worst Presdent ever, has absolutely nothing to do with whether he was. Most of those same people think Reagan was the best President ever. IT's still only about a third of the population.

MY opinion is that of those that voted against Obama in 2008 and 2012 (over 45%), virtually all of that 33% are a subset of that 45%, and of those, some significant percentage simply couldn't deal with his being black.

I would bet anything that very very very very very very very few of those that voted for Obama twice, ranked him as the worst President since WWII.

Hence the logical irrelevance of your comment.


Quigley says

Feux Follets says

Race - that is why Barrack came in last amongs't a polling group that was 73% white.

Remember that more white people voted for Obama than every other ethnic group put together.
Perhaps the current sentiment has more to do with his lackluster performance than any entrenched racism.

bob2356 says

Strategist says

it's false, it's racist. Obama is the second worst President. Jimmy Carter was the worst.

Jimmy didn't lie us into war, destabilize the entire mid east, or blow a giant wall street bubble that led to a horrific crash of the economy. His deregulation and appointing of volker actually set up decades of increased prosperity. What metrics are you judging worst by?

Jimmy Carter laid the foundations for war and destabilizing the Middle East by not supporting the Shah of Iran, and allowing that barbarian Khomeini to come to power. Nothing good has happened in the Mid East since. Sometimes, doing nothing is the worst thing you can do.
Carter also screwed up the economy with stagflation. Reagan fixed it once and for all.

Strategist says

Carter also screwed up the economy with stagflation

Wtf ?

Nixon actually tried to freeze wages and prices. Ford coined the term Whip inflation now. THe problem was deep and was not caused in any way by Carter.

Carter appointed Volker who solved the problem, but not without causing a recession first, which started while Carter was still President - it may have been the reason he lost to Reagan.