Calling it Now: Best-President-to-Date
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2018 Jul 1, 12:01am 19,473 views 69 comments
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It has truly been an unexpected surprise to watch the Trump admin perform thus far. In totality, I am fairly confident to call it now: we are witnessing a very rare event of effective and beneficial leadership, one that we may not witness again in our lifetime. That is all I wanted to post. Good luck to each of you in making the best of these good times.
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bob2356
2018 Jul 8, 8:11pm
MrMagic says
The dow went up 250% under obama. Does that make obama the best president to date instead?
Yes you did, a BIG one... your 401K balance:
The dow went up 250% under obama. Does that make obama the best president to date instead?
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MrMagic
2018 Jul 8, 8:48pm
MrMagic
2018 Jul 8, 8:48pm
bob2356 says
Ahhhh, math with Bernie supporters...
The answer is NO, the DOW was at 14K and dropped to 7K, and took 5 years to get back to just break even of 14K under Obama, before finishing at 18K when Trump came in.
Even if you started at the 7K number, 18K isn't 250%..
Where do Bernie supporters learn Math?
MrMagic saysYes you did, a BIG one... your 401K balance:
The dow went up 250% under obama. Does that make obama the best president to date instead?
Ahhhh, math with Bernie supporters...
The answer is NO, the DOW was at 14K and dropped to 7K, and took 5 years to get back to just break even of 14K under Obama, before finishing at 18K when Trump came in.
Even if you started at the 7K number, 18K isn't 250%..
Where do Bernie supporters learn Math?
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Shaman
2018 Jul 8, 8:51pm
Shaman
2018 Jul 8, 8:51pm
Oddly, the Dow dropped sharply after Obama’s election, then began to rise again after he was sworn in. With Trump, the rising began as soon as he was elected and didn’t reverse much for a solid year.
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anonymous
2018 Jul 8, 9:11pm
bob2356 says
MrMagic saysThe market went up under Obama during QE Infinity. Wow.Yes you did, a BIG one... your 401K balance:
The dow went up 250% under obama. Does that make obama the best president to date instead?
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MrMagic
2018 Jul 8, 9:31pm
MrMagic
2018 Jul 8, 9:31pm
PrivilegedtobeWhite says
Exactly.
Amazing what happens to the market when you juice it with over $4 TRILLION of printed money, then what happens to it when the printing press is shut off.
Since Bob likes doubling of the market under Obama, he must like doubling of the debt under Obama too, right?
Those pesky facts.
bob2356 saysMrMagic saysThe market went up under Obama during QE Infinity. Wow.Yes you did, a BIG one... your 401K balance:
The dow went up 250% under obama. Does that make obama the best president to date instead?
Exactly.
Amazing what happens to the market when you juice it with over $4 TRILLION of printed money, then what happens to it when the printing press is shut off.
Since Bob likes doubling of the market under Obama, he must like doubling of the debt under Obama too, right?
Those pesky facts.
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Shaman
2018 Jul 9, 8:33am
Shaman
2018 Jul 9, 8:33am
Trump can’t repeal a Congressionally passed law. The Constitution says only Congress may do that. So there’s that.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Jul 9, 8:09pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Jul 9, 8:09pm
TrumpingTits says
Nope. The President has foreign policy power, and only the Senate (not the House) can approve foreign agreements as a check on the near absolute power of the Presidency in this area.
SCOTUS has already stood aside while similar agreements were nixed by Presidents, including McKinley and Carter. SCOTUS has historically been extremely shy of restricting the Foreign Policy powers of the President.
So the Congress may have passed enabling legislation for NAFTA, but the President can abrogate participation in it.
The Constitution is strangely specific by explicitly mentioning treaties have to be approved by the Senate, but says nothing of their abrogation. Historically, Presidents have unilaterally done so, and such actions took effect immediately, even if the Senate huffed and puffed before "approving" it (not that their approval is needed).
Yeah. TREATIES. Not Congressional-Executive Agreements. Those are just like domestic laws that stay on the books until Congress says otherwise.
Nope. The President has foreign policy power, and only the Senate (not the House) can approve foreign agreements as a check on the near absolute power of the Presidency in this area.
SCOTUS has already stood aside while similar agreements were nixed by Presidents, including McKinley and Carter. SCOTUS has historically been extremely shy of restricting the Foreign Policy powers of the President.
So the Congress may have passed enabling legislation for NAFTA, but the President can abrogate participation in it.
The Constitution is strangely specific by explicitly mentioning treaties have to be approved by the Senate, but says nothing of their abrogation. Historically, Presidents have unilaterally done so, and such actions took effect immediately, even if the Senate huffed and puffed before "approving" it (not that their approval is needed).
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Jul 9, 8:10pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Jul 9, 8:10pm
TrumpingTits says
If one President makes an agreement with Congress , another President may nix. Just like every other Executive Agreement.
If Somehow Obama made the Iran Deal some kind of Congressional-Executive agreement, Trump could have withdrawn from it.
Almost every expert, even Globalists from the Roosevelt Institute, agree that Trump can pull out of NAFTA. Neither the Senate, and certainly not the House, has the authority to impose an international agreement without the President.
This could be the SCOTUS issue of Trump's Presidency, but I'm very confident that SCOTUS will not take away the President's historically interpreted as near-total foreign policy powers. By historically, I mean since the birth of the Republic.
Yeah. TREATIES. Not Congressional-Executive Agreements. Those are just like domestic laws that stay on the books until Congress says otherwise.
If one President makes an agreement with Congress , another President may nix. Just like every other Executive Agreement.
If Somehow Obama made the Iran Deal some kind of Congressional-Executive agreement, Trump could have withdrawn from it.
Almost every expert, even Globalists from the Roosevelt Institute, agree that Trump can pull out of NAFTA. Neither the Senate, and certainly not the House, has the authority to impose an international agreement without the President.
This could be the SCOTUS issue of Trump's Presidency, but I'm very confident that SCOTUS will not take away the President's historically interpreted as near-total foreign policy powers. By historically, I mean since the birth of the Republic.
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BayArea
2018 Jul 10, 6:32am
BayArea
2018 Jul 10, 6:32am
bob2356 says
You should be ashamed of yourself for that one.
MrMagic saysYes you did, a BIG one... your 401K balance:
The dow went up 250% under obama. Does that make obama the best president to date instead?
You should be ashamed of yourself for that one.
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Bd6r
2018 Jul 10, 6:41am
Bd6r
2018 Jul 10, 6:41am
Aphroman says
About 4.5% of taxpayers, which is quite a lot
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/11/28/us/politics/obamacare-individual-mandate-penalty-maps.html
How many people paid the fine each year for not having insurance
About 4.5% of taxpayers, which is quite a lot
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/11/28/us/politics/obamacare-individual-mandate-penalty-maps.html
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Bd6r
2018 Jul 10, 6:47am
Bd6r
2018 Jul 10, 6:47am
ThreeBays says
The new talking point is "we can never pay it back", forgetting that in some way it WILL be paid back (inflation). Or that most of it is owed to entities in US of A. Also, giving money to defense contractors is OK, but paying anyone else is a crime.
It's party time, since Republicans switched from bitching about the deficit to pretending it doesn't even exist.
The new talking point is "we can never pay it back", forgetting that in some way it WILL be paid back (inflation). Or that most of it is owed to entities in US of A. Also, giving money to defense contractors is OK, but paying anyone else is a crime.
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Shaman
2018 Jul 10, 7:32am
Shaman
2018 Jul 10, 7:32am
Aphroman says
And somehow the President controls worldwide gas prices? Interesting how your mind works.
That’s less than the increase in gas prices that afe crushing low income Americans, under Trump
And somehow the President controls worldwide gas prices? Interesting how your mind works.
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Bd6r
2018 Jul 10, 7:33am
Bd6r
2018 Jul 10, 7:33am
Aphroman says
High gas prices are extremely good - I wish gas was $5-8/gal. This allows development of alternative energy sources (less global warming and/or dependence on Gulf terroristocracies) and really helps state where I live. Also, as we all are adults here (hopefully), we know that Obamacare was a giveaway to insurance companies.
That’s less than the increase in gas prices
High gas prices are extremely good - I wish gas was $5-8/gal. This allows development of alternative energy sources (less global warming and/or dependence on Gulf terroristocracies) and really helps state where I live. Also, as we all are adults here (hopefully), we know that Obamacare was a giveaway to insurance companies.
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steverbeaver
2018 Jul 10, 7:36am
steverbeaver
2018 Jul 10, 7:36am
I have a friend who was "taxed" ~$1400 for not buying the sham that is Obamacare.
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Onvacation
2018 Jul 10, 8:17am
Onvacation
2018 Jul 10, 8:17am
Aphroman says
Hard to do after half the country voted for her. History will reveal the Clintons' and Bushes' crimes.
Locking Her up?
Hard to do after half the country voted for her. History will reveal the Clintons' and Bushes' crimes.
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Goran_K
2018 Jul 10, 9:07am
Goran_K
2018 Jul 10, 9:07am
Bob, knock it off with the "are you a native english speaker" crap.
Your personal insults and racism are not the topic here.
Your personal insults and racism are not the topic here.
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socal2
2018 Jul 10, 9:28am
drB6 says
It's also very bad for the poor - who often have to drive the farthest commute each day for their jobs since they can't afford to live near the coast in California.
Gas taxes are the most regressive taxes out there.
High gas prices are extremely good - I wish gas was $5-8/gal. This allows development of alternative energy sources (less global warming and/or dependence on Gulf terroristocracies) and really helps state where I live.
It's also very bad for the poor - who often have to drive the farthest commute each day for their jobs since they can't afford to live near the coast in California.
Gas taxes are the most regressive taxes out there.
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Bd6r
2018 Jul 10, 9:32am
Bd6r
2018 Jul 10, 9:32am
socal2 says
Good for TX - low taxes and many jobs created.
It's also very bad for the poor - who often have to drive the farthest commute each day for their jobs since they can't afford to live near the coast in California.
Gas taxes are the most regressive taxes out there.
Good for TX - low taxes and many jobs created.
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Shaman
2018 Jul 10, 10:07am
Shaman
2018 Jul 10, 10:07am
Aphroman says
Remember $5 gas? I do. It was under Obama’s reign of terror. $3.50 seems like a bargain still to me!
Are you saying that the President has no effect on gas prices?
Remember $5 gas? I do. It was under Obama’s reign of terror. $3.50 seems like a bargain still to me!
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Patrick
2018 Jul 10, 4:15pm
Patrick
2018 Jul 10, 4:15pm
drB6 says
Yes, that was my problem with the mandate. It's wrong to force people to pay a small set of private companies whatever they say you have to pay or face fines.
It was a tax which we were obligated to pay to certain favored companies.
as we all are adults here (hopefully), we know that Obamacare was a giveaway to insurance companies.
Yes, that was my problem with the mandate. It's wrong to force people to pay a small set of private companies whatever they say you have to pay or face fines.
It was a tax which we were obligated to pay to certain favored companies.
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Shaman
2018 Jul 10, 8:31pm
Shaman
2018 Jul 10, 8:31pm
Patrick says
Since the people who didn’t have insurance were the ones who had to buy it, they often couldn’t afford to budget 12% of their income for that one thing. And so, effectively it became a tax on the uninsured.
That’s how it affected my parents anyway, before they went on Medicare.
Yes, that was my problem with the mandate. It's wrong to force people to pay a small set of private companies whatever they say you have to pay or face fines.
Since the people who didn’t have insurance were the ones who had to buy it, they often couldn’t afford to budget 12% of their income for that one thing. And so, effectively it became a tax on the uninsured.
That’s how it affected my parents anyway, before they went on Medicare.
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Patrick
2018 Jul 11, 8:50am
Patrick
2018 Jul 11, 8:50am
It's all about trapping people and forcing them to pay.
You can make a great product, but that takes work. If you're well connected, it's much easier to just use the government to take the money.
You can make a great product, but that takes work. If you're well connected, it's much easier to just use the government to take the money.
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RC2006
2018 Jul 13, 8:24am
RC2006
2018 Jul 13, 8:24am
Trump just doesn't give a shit.
CNN wimper "But we are real news too ......"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=dO1f9EZ-0uw
CNN wimper "But we are real news too ......"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=dO1f9EZ-0uw
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Jul 13, 11:27am
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Jul 13, 11:27am
Tim Aurora says
But the uninsured didn't have $1000 / month for a $5000 deductible shitty ass plan, either.
You do know that Emergency care in US is mandatory ( if not entirely free) , which means that uninsured normally ended up in Emergency costing the Govt
But the uninsured didn't have $1000 / month for a $5000 deductible shitty ass plan, either.
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Shaman
2018 Jul 18, 10:56am
Shaman
2018 Jul 18, 10:56am
Tim Aurora says
It’s only free if you’re an illegal immigrant. Otherwise they come after you with the bill. This is known. Stop trying to obfuscate the issue.
You do know that Emergency care in US is mandatory ( if not entirely free)
It’s only free if you’re an illegal immigrant. Otherwise they come after you with the bill. This is known. Stop trying to obfuscate the issue.
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