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The car subsidy is going down in 2019
As others have said here, a Model 3 is most comparable to a BMW 3 series or Audi A4. If you grenade a motor on one of those cars, you are most definitely looking at repairs in the 10k region. And both of those cars only carry warranties of 4yrs/50k miles.
Pretty much the only way to grenade a modern engine is to leave the oil drain open.
What subsidies?
MrMagic saysWhy do they have production defects if they just left the factory??? Hmmmm...
Pretty common practice at other automakers. GM specifically.
DASKAA saysMrMagic saysWhy do they have production defects if they just left the factory??? Hmmmm...
Pretty common practice at other automakers. GM specifically.
Really???
Common???
Talk to anyone who worked at GM plants and they will tell you the stories of fixing cars on the lots after they exit the assembly line.
The normal range for the auto industry is between 65% and 80%, according to experts cited in the BI article. Using the numbers provided, Tesla's first pass yield was less than 14%.
DASKAA saysTalk to anyone who worked at GM plants and they will tell you the stories of fixing cars on the lots after they exit the assembly line.
Nobody said it NEVER happens at other manufactures.... but..
MrMagic saysThe normal range for the auto industry is between 65% and 80%, according to experts cited in the BI article. Using the numbers provided, Tesla's first pass yield was less than 14%.
So, normally 65% - 80% come off the line fine, on average, but Tesla's only have less than 14% that come of the line fine.
That's not an issue??
We could compare these numbers with the numbers for other automakers in early stages of producing completely new model on a brand-new assembly line. I
Existing car companies are producing new models all the time and the overall number is 65-80%
Do we have the number (specifically) for the first several months of (specifically) brand-new model on a (specifically) brand-new assembly line?
DASKAA saysDo we have the number (specifically) for the first several months of (specifically) brand-new model on a (specifically) brand-new assembly line?
Google.com maybe?
Oh, and that acceleration....
Strategist saysMusk deserves another $10 billion in subsidies.
Since you're in the giving mood about throwing just one billion my way? You know, because giving people money is always a sure sign they're successful.
Yep. Really-really. Talk to anyone who worked at GM plants and they will tell you the stories of fixing cars on the lots after they exit the assembly line. Now, Toyota, Honda and such don't do this, because they prefer to stop the line and fix the issue right there, production numbers be damned.
Is there a comparable gas car that you can bang a rin-style hooker on the way to dinner?
I'd pay like 30% more for a Ford Raptor that drove itself
Back in 2005 when my kids were still young, we needed to replace a Mini van.
I'm sure that acceleration really comes in handy when sitting in bumper to bumper traffic on a CA Freeway.
MrMagic saysI'm sure that acceleration really comes in handy when sitting in bumper to bumper traffic on a CA Freeway.
So the only time Tesla owners drive is during the busiest times and only on the freeway? And they never get to use that acceleration?
So the only time Tesla owners drive is during the busiest times and only on the freeway? And they never get to use that acceleration?
That said, it's a nice car.
Someone can have an opinion about a product, but if someone hasn't used said product, or experienced it, their opinion is kind of trash.
WookieMan saysThat said, it's a nice car.
How do you know if you don't own one?
I have ZERO intention of buying one in the near future. I like my gassers.
WookieMan saysI have ZERO intention of buying one in the near future. I like my gassers.
Me too.
Look at that, we agree on something, you can now relax.
I don't recall what you said you did, but if I bashed your company or product without having used it, you would take offense. This is undeniable. I'm not defending Musk, just the practice of humans trashing shit they've never used or experienced.
They're just as bad as the Apple fanboys.
I've been bashing the company (you know, the title of this thread) and the snake oil salesman Musk, more than the car.
For what it's worth, I worked for a start-up car company in the past (remember DeLorean), so I've seen these start-up quality issues before.
Apple has solid products. This is undeniable.
Call them fanboys or you can call them people that like good products.
Yes, of course there will be startup quality issues
EV's make a shitload more sense then gassers. Their time just hasn't come yet.
Like I said, not a fan of Musk. His ego gets in his own way too much.
Yep, that's why everyone needs to pay TWICE the amount for them so they can send email, watch cat video's and post on Patnet.
Twice? That's a bit of a stretch.
But on balance, not double.
MrMagic saysWookieMan saysI have ZERO intention of buying one in the near future. I like my gassers.
Me too.
Look at that, we agree on something, you can now relax.
We agree on more than you think. Don't fool yourself.
And don't worry, I'm 1,000% relaxed. I don't recall what you said you did, but if I bashed your company or product without having used it, you would take offense. This is undeniable. I'm not defending Musk, just the practice of humans trashing shit they've never used or experienced. Don't believe everything you read. I'm sure GM, Ford, Toyota, Nissan, etc are all on board with Tesla doing well. They would NEVER try to trash the competition. They want Tesla to take their market share and would love to write nice articles about them.
MrMagic saysYep, that's why everyone needs to pay TWICE the amount for them so they can send email, watch cat video's and post on Patnet.
Twice? That's a bit of a stretch. You do pay a premium for Apple products, sure, but not double. Galaxy S9 retails for like $700, iPhone X is $900-1000. And that's just in the handset space. For awhile the iMac 5k represented a BETTER value than any possible PC configuration, simply because it was impossible to get a standalone 5k monitor for less than like $1000.
Again, Apple's pricey. But on balance, not double.
I would argue Apple works out cheaper even with a higher price tag, because they work better, last longer, look prettier, and upgrades are free.
I would argue Apple works out cheaper even with a higher price tag, because they work better, last longer, look prettier, and upgrades are free.
Except, like my Macbook, after a few years Apple refuses to support it, there are no updates for critical programs.
My 10 year old MacBook just got locked out of OS updates. So you're right. But it still functions very well for what I need it to do though. Ain't no PC doing that. I can still run the entire Adobe Creative Suite on it, check email, browse the internet and other basic things. It mainly sits in my basement now for recording, but the thing was used for 6 years as a primary work machine (graphics, marketing, etc) and worked amazingly. And it still works like a champ simultaneously recording 12 drum tracks. That's no small feat on a 10 year old machine.
Prior to my Mac time, it was a PC tower or laptop every 3 years without a doubt. None of that shit would last 3 years and I still don't think it will. Wife's work laptop is already shit after 2-1/2 years.
My old lenovo book still operates just fine and it's been 9 years. That being said, my wife's new lenovo is absolutely awful and is the third one we've purchased after several returns. All have been completely useless and not functioned. My surface is about to go into it's 4th year and has never given me an issue. At some point, the battery is going to go though.
Bottom line, that MacBook 10 years ago was about $1,000. Put in some increased RAM to the tune of $150 about 5 years ago to knock it up to 16gb. Still works as well as the day I took it out of the box. You'd probably end up with 3 Windows laptops over this same period of time, probably costing more than $500 over the single MacBook.
And much, MUCH higher resale on the secondary market. My MBP late 2013 could still fetch like $800. Any PC from 2013 would be a glorified doorstop in terms of resale.
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