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True, but oil companies still receive subsidies. Why shouldn't clean energy and electric cars?
Because oil companies pay politicians a lot more money.
The US MAY (MIT just did a research study that said the industry group EIA numbers for future production are way over optimistic and killing the mileage regs is going to increase gasoline consumption) become a net oil producer but it won't be producing anywhere enough gasoline with domestic supplies anytime soon. The refineries are mostly built for heavy sour crude that is imported, , not the light sweet coming out of fracking. Capacity to refine light sweet is pretty much maxed out. There ins't a strong market overseas to sell it either. Refineries cost billions of dollars and take up to a decade to get up and running so there isn't going to be a quick changeover coming.
Even if he succeeds, California and half the states will still maintain their mileage requirements. So will all of Europe, China, and Asia. The car companies will be forced to go by what most of the world wants. It won't be economical for them to go by old mileage rules for just 20 American states.
First, engines today last well longer than 100K miles, and Second, if by chance you had to replace one, it sure as hell won't cost the $10K+ it costs for a battery pack at 100K miles.
I'm sure that acceleration really comes in handy when sitting in bumper to bumper traffic on a CA Freeway.
You lose 25% of you battery that's 75 miles less the car can make between charges. Longer charging time to get less charge as the battery deteriorates.
my buddy- who owns a 75D- flips on auto pilot and is able to relax, do a fucking crossword, and only barely pay attention to what's in front of him on his morning commute.
Highly idiotic. People fucking died by doing this.
He's crawling along the 405 at 5mph
I'm sure the owner of a LaFerrari is delighted to idle their day away on the 405. What's your point?
Only in California do people buy expensive sports cars only to idle along at 5 mph.... Must be something to do with that "small penis syndrome".
DASKAA saysHighly idiotic. People fucking died by doing this.
True. But the ones who died were going well north of 50 mph. He's crawling along the 405 at 5mph when he does this. Trust me, no one is going to die here.
Who paid in-full for a vehicle that they did not receive? Name one person.
No such company in America.
Musk deserves another $10 billion in subsidies.
Lol where the hell are you getting this? Pretty much everyone who buys a Model S is someone who acknowledges that climate change is real, and they're willing to pay a premium to do something about it, in addition to feeling smug about it.
The car subsidy is going down in 2019
As others have said here, a Model 3 is most comparable to a BMW 3 series or Audi A4. If you grenade a motor on one of those cars, you are most definitely looking at repairs in the 10k region. And both of those cars only carry warranties of 4yrs/50k miles.
Pretty much the only way to grenade a modern engine is to leave the oil drain open.
What subsidies?
MrMagic saysWhy do they have production defects if they just left the factory??? Hmmmm...
Pretty common practice at other automakers. GM specifically.
DASKAA saysMrMagic saysWhy do they have production defects if they just left the factory??? Hmmmm...
Pretty common practice at other automakers. GM specifically.
Really???
Common???
Talk to anyone who worked at GM plants and they will tell you the stories of fixing cars on the lots after they exit the assembly line.
The normal range for the auto industry is between 65% and 80%, according to experts cited in the BI article. Using the numbers provided, Tesla's first pass yield was less than 14%.
DASKAA saysTalk to anyone who worked at GM plants and they will tell you the stories of fixing cars on the lots after they exit the assembly line.
Nobody said it NEVER happens at other manufactures.... but..
MrMagic saysThe normal range for the auto industry is between 65% and 80%, according to experts cited in the BI article. Using the numbers provided, Tesla's first pass yield was less than 14%.
So, normally 65% - 80% come off the line fine, on average, but Tesla's only have less than 14% that come of the line fine.
That's not an issue??
We could compare these numbers with the numbers for other automakers in early stages of producing completely new model on a brand-new assembly line. I
Existing car companies are producing new models all the time and the overall number is 65-80%
Do we have the number (specifically) for the first several months of (specifically) brand-new model on a (specifically) brand-new assembly line?
DASKAA saysDo we have the number (specifically) for the first several months of (specifically) brand-new model on a (specifically) brand-new assembly line?
Google.com maybe?
Oh, and that acceleration....
Strategist saysMusk deserves another $10 billion in subsidies.
Since you're in the giving mood about throwing just one billion my way? You know, because giving people money is always a sure sign they're successful.
Yep. Really-really. Talk to anyone who worked at GM plants and they will tell you the stories of fixing cars on the lots after they exit the assembly line. Now, Toyota, Honda and such don't do this, because they prefer to stop the line and fix the issue right there, production numbers be damned.
Is there a comparable gas car that you can bang a rin-style hooker on the way to dinner?
I'd pay like 30% more for a Ford Raptor that drove itself
Back in 2005 when my kids were still young, we needed to replace a Mini van.
I'm sure that acceleration really comes in handy when sitting in bumper to bumper traffic on a CA Freeway.
MrMagic saysI'm sure that acceleration really comes in handy when sitting in bumper to bumper traffic on a CA Freeway.
So the only time Tesla owners drive is during the busiest times and only on the freeway? And they never get to use that acceleration?
So the only time Tesla owners drive is during the busiest times and only on the freeway? And they never get to use that acceleration?
That said, it's a nice car.
Someone can have an opinion about a product, but if someone hasn't used said product, or experienced it, their opinion is kind of trash.
WookieMan saysThat said, it's a nice car.
How do you know if you don't own one?
I have ZERO intention of buying one in the near future. I like my gassers.
WookieMan saysI have ZERO intention of buying one in the near future. I like my gassers.
Me too.
Look at that, we agree on something, you can now relax.
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