patrick.net

curious2 says

Thanks! That site links to an opposing site that lists several states that ban local bans, including California and New York. In other words, in places like SF, Diane Whipple's neighbors were allowed to keep the obviously dangerous dogs that killed her, but she was not allowed to carry a gun to defend herself. I can't help noticing a self-defeating pattern, i.e. the same people who ban guns insist on allowing dangerous dogs.

Not sure why this would be related to politics or gun control.

anon_3b28c says

Not sure why this would be related to politics or gun control.

Laws governing dog ownership and gun ownership are public policy, i.e. politics. If people view "politics" as only a bipartisan horse race, red team vs blue team, then I suppose they could lose sight of the actual policies involved because neither of those teams is issuing talking points memos comparing these issues. Both do talk about safety though, and these policies make the difference between life and death for many people.

Coulda been worse. She could have been invited to have lunch with Trump at the White House.

The pitbull debate reminds me a lot of the gun debate in that you have your faithful on each side that have their mind made up and nothing will change that.

I tend to believe that the dogs are too dangerous and capable to be owned by your average joe.

She was killed by her own property. Why should we give a fuck? She chose to own these dogs despite not being able to control them. How is this different from an idiot getting his face kicked in by his own horse, or being gored by his own bull or sticking his head into a woodchipper he owns?

Wasn't some lady killed by Chimps not too long ago?

Don’t know much about dogs, but aren’t we humans larger and can probably take a dog out easily in hand to hand combat?

Don't trust any animal you can't punt kick into the neighbors yard.

anon_0c71f says

Don’t know much about dogs, but aren’t we humans larger and can probably take a dog out easily in hand to hand combat?

Dangerous misconception.

Ceffer says

Coulda been worse. She could have been invited to have lunch with Trump at the White House.

I'd jump at that invite. I'd like me a big steak and ketchup samich.

"The husband of a Kentucky woman killed by pit bulls is speaking out, and he wants the man who owned the dogs held responsible for her death.

John Saylor spoke to Knoxville ABC affiliate WATE about his wife, Lorraine, who was killed in the Christmas Eve attack. Saylor said his wife went outside to feed their cat when she was allegedly attacked by two pit bulls owned by their neighbor, Johnny Dale Lankford. When Saylor went to check on his wife, he was attacked as well.

Saylor suffered severe bite wounds to his left hand and smaller wounds on his arms and head. Saylor's brother managed to distract the dogs enough for him to break free. By the time he retrieved a pistol and shot one of the dogs, his wife was already dead, he said.
***
The death is the second woman in just over a week who was mauled by pit bulls in the Mid-South region. A Virginia woman was killed by her own dogs on Dec. 14 while taking them for a walk."

Shoot the owners first then the dogs. That way they wont buy more.

Just don't ban my pet Rhino or pet cobras.

anon_0c71f says

Don’t know much about dogs, but aren’t we humans larger and can probably take a dog out easily in hand to hand combat?

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

Dangerous misconception.

I have new neighbors with whom I've become friends, a retired teacher and her husband who worked security for Harrah's in Las Vegas and is now employed in security at Baylor. They have a large female pit bull, Coco, who is sweet as she can be. As is typical today, she is a rescue so they presumably have no real information about her earlier life. They have me over for dinner periodically and she is relegated to the back part of the house. They're going on a five or six day trip right after the first of the year and leave her in charge of a house-sitter. From what I've read, pits are very high energy dogs which need a lot of interaction with people or other dogs to dispel the pent-up energy. They don't do well when caged or in solitary circumstances for long periods of time. My fear is that on a day, even as sweet as she seems most of the time, she may turn on either of her owners or a sitter, neither of whom will be able to defend themselves against such a large animal. Whatever happened to people owning cocker spaniels or collies whose natures seem so much more docile? I think having a rescue dog today has become kind of a virtue signal as they call it.

P N Dr Lo R says

I think having a rescue dog today has become kind of a virtue signal as they call it

Yes.

"Maryland Woman Killed by Pit Bull She Adopted Just 2 Weeks Earlier: 'The Dog Went After Her'"

"Pediatrician: Pit bulls do not belong in homes with children
***
Pit bulls cause about half of the severe injuries to children, and very often the worst of the injuries. The majority of other dog breeds don’t pose remotely this risk.

Of course, not every pit bull will attack. But, unfortunately, you can’t tell which ones will. And if they do — and enough of them do — one moment can mean the difference between life and death of a child or a disfiguring injury and a life of pain, scars and emotional trauma.

Pit bull defenders want you to think that it’s normal for a dog to maul or kill thousands of children. It’s not. The vast majority of dog breeds have never killed or mauled a child — no matter how they are raised.
***
“Pit bull terrier bites were responsible for a significantly higher number of orthopaedic injuries and resulted in an amputation and/or bony injury in 66 percent of patients treated …”
***
A 2016 study, “Characteristics of 1,616 Consecutive Dog Bite Injuries at a Single Institution,” found: “Pit bull bites were implicated in half of all surgeries performed and over 2.5 times as likely to bite in multiple anatomic locations as compared to other breeds.”
***
“Pediatric dog bites span a wide range of ages, frequently require operative intervention, and can cause severe morbidity. Dog familiarity did not confer safety, and in this series, pit bulls were most frequently responsible.”"

"Karen Brown, 57, was mauled to death by a pit bull on the Far South Side on Aug. 4. The dog clamped its jaws into her neck and bit her all over her body. Police responding to the scene shot and killed the animal when it charged at them.

Four days later, another pit bull attacked two women standing in front of their home in the South Side’s Burnside neighborhood. A neighbor fought off the dog with a shovel, and the women escaped."

Woman killed by neighborhood Pit Bulls

On Thursday, August 9, 2018, a resident of a Lake Tillery development on the western side of Montgomery County went missing while taking her daily walk. After several hours the 66 year old female did not return home. Her husband called neighbors and friends who searched the area.

Within hours she was discovered deceased on the side of an unused road within the development. An investigation was conducted with the assistance of the Medical Examiner’s Office, NC Wildlife Resources Commission and Animal Control.

The investigation revealed she had been attacked by dogs. Law enforcement searched the neighborhood and located two pit bull dogs with physical evidence reflecting the dog’s involvement."

Three vicious pit bull attacks in the San Francisco area this month have ignited a campaign to change California Law, to allow a crackdown on pit bulls.
***
The latest attack in the San Francisco area came Wednesday, when Smokey, an 8-month-old pit bull, attacked a neighbor, 8-year-old Annette Rojas. The bites were almost fatal."

"June 3, 2005, Maureen Faibish left her son Nicholas Faibish, 12, alone in the family's Inner Sunset district home.... Nicholas had been bitten by an increasingly agitated Rex before being left alone with the dogs, according to testimony on both sides. Maureen Faibish returned home on June 3 to find Nicholas’ body in an upstairs bedroom."

"A pregnant Pacifica, Calif. woman was mauled and killed by a family pit bull Thursday inside her home and discovered by her husband when he returned from work."

"In the 6-year study published in the medical journal PEDIATRICS (Vol.97 No. 6, 891-5), Jeffrey J. Sacks, M.D. and associates reported the finding of 109 bite-related fatalities... The most commonly reported dog breeds involved were pit bulls (24 deaths), followed by rottweilers (16 deaths), and German shepherds (10 deaths)."

"A 2018 report issued by DogsBite.org shows that over 35 dog breeds contributed to 433 deaths in a 13-year period. Pit bulls contributed to 66% of these deaths, followed by rottweilers with 10%."

"A 2018 report issued by DogsBite.org shows that over 35 dog breeds contributed to 433 deaths in a 13-year period. Pit bulls contributed to 66% of these deaths, followed by rottweilers with 10%."



Pit Bulls are like the blacks of the dog world.

https://www.dogsbite.org/img/grandmother-attack-pit-bull-als-ice-buck-challenge.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/H2GNzX4n5Ho/maxresdefault.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8iQjWsbvQdY/TEoXGxHswnI/AAAAAAAAAMQ/t_JdoIKVltY/s1600/pitbulls_attack_50_yr+old+man.jpg

"A dog that mauled its owner to death while he was being interviewed by a BBC film crew had attacked him before, a neighbour said.

The man, named locally as Mario Perivoitos, 41, was with the film crew at his home in Wood Green on 20 March when his Staffordshire bull terrier attacked, biting him in the neck."

Grandmother mauled in Bronx pit bull attack speaks out.

Althea Woodson, who goes by Lisa, was watching her two young grandchildren at the Eastchester Gardens apartments when the large dog somehow got loose and pounced.

The 57-year-old suffered serious injuries to her hand and face, even losing part of her ear. She is now recovering at home.

"I have a gash, a gash here, a gash here," she said. "See where all the blood is?"

The physical pain is hard enough, but what truly overwhelms her is the the terror she felt as her grandkids played on a jungle gym and the dog lunged their way.

Eyewitness News obtained video of Woodson screaming on the bench after that dog grabbed her by the head and dragged her away.

"And it just kept coming and coming," she said. "And it won't go. It won't go nowhere, and it hurt so bad."

http://abc7ny.com/pets-animals/exclusive-grandmother-mauled-in-pit-bull-attack-speaks-out/3279201/

"Milwaukee woman mauled to death by at least one of her pet dogs.

A Milwaukee woman was found dead in her near west side home after being mauled to death by at least one of her pet dogs, according to the Milwaukee County medical examiner's office.

Hong Saengsamly, 49, was found by her son about 10 p.m. Saturday in the kitchen of her home in the 500 block of N. 28th St., according to a medical examiner's report.

Saengsamly suffered multiple puncture and blunt force injuries on her arms and shoulders and her death was due to "mauling by dogs," according to the report.

A pit bull-type dog that appeared to be guarding her body became hostile with the son before he fatally shot the animal, according to the report."

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/milwaukee/2018/03/26/milwaukee-woman-mauled-death-least-one-her-pet-dogs/460444002/

"4-year-old boy mauled to death by family dog in northeast Bexar County.

A 4-year-old boy was mauled to death by the family dog in northeast Bexar County Sunday afternoon. A family friend is now pleading with the public to have compassion for the parents of 4-year-old Noah Trevino after Facebook users blamed the parents for his death.

A family member told us the dog was a Pit Bull mix and had been the family's pet for at least three years.

Yet, something set off Bam Bam Sunday afternoon at the family home on Twincreek Farm. The family told officers Noah was playing in the backyard with Bam Bam. They said when they checked on Noah, they found Bam Bam biting his neck.

http://www.kens5.com/article/news/local/4-year-old-boy-mauled-to-death-by-family-dog-in-northeast-bexar-county/273-532355324

curious2 says

A 4-year-old boy was mauled to death by the family dog

That's why I continue to worry about my neighbors who bought a big Pit Bull as a rescue a couple of years ago. She weighs about 75-100 lbs. and is as sweet as she can be. They boarded her for a day while they took a day trip to Dallas. When they came back the kennel owner told them another dog had tried to play with her and she bit back, wouldn't let go until they forced her to--she's now banned from that kennel and they had to find another, more expensive facility. Her husband works at night and she's alone with the dog and if she ever got a notion, Lisa would never be able to defend herself. I don't understand the mania for rescues or why they can't rescue a Cocker Spaniel or Dachund or some other kind of normal dog, why a big Pit Bull. This should put them on notice.

I don't want to say bad things about dogs because so many people love them, but some dogs are really dangerous, essentially weapons. They were bred that way.

Patrick says

I don't want to say bad things about dogs because so many people love them, but some dogs are really dangerous, essentially weapons. They were bred that way.

As a former owner of a large terrier (not the "bull & terrier" type though) I must say these beasts are awesome when properly trained, controlled by an experienced handler and used for intended purposes. Which is personal defense/attack kind of work (basically your typical "K9 officer") or hunting dangerous animals like European boar. Their fearlesness and high pain tolerance allow them to excel where even German Shepards can fail. But giving them out like candy to old ladies and families with small children is irresponsible to say it mildly.

Pass a Law declaring any Dog that kills or maims someone a Weapon. The owner's weapon, and prosecute the same as you would as if he randomly assulted someone with a knife, axe or gun.

Problem solved, after a few public hearings and death penalties these breeds will disappear within 5 years.

I’m with AF. Civilians should just be armed and firing at dogs at all times. Chihuahua yaps at you? BLAM! Problem solved.

So many eugenicists on patnet these days. I wonder how many of you have South American's IP's?

NuttBoxer says

So many eugenicists on patnet these days.

For the umpteens time: the term "eugenics" is only applicable to humans. With animals it's "selective breeding".

DASKAA says

For the umpteens time: the term "eugenics" is only applicable to humans. With animals it's "selective breeding".

Thanks, because clearly the gist of the belief is VASTLY different when you say selective breeding.

NuttBoxer says

selective breeding.

Either way, you are endorsing it when you choose fighting breeds such as the pit bulls. They were bred to fight. The weaker, less aggressive fighters were killed by the stronger, more aggressive fighters, which were then bred. Just as race horses are bred for racing, pit bull dogs were bred for fighting and killing. You brought the result into your home, creating an unnecessary risk. Other dogs, that have not been selectively bred for fighting and killing, do not pose nearly the same risk.

NuttBoxer says

DASKAA says

For the umpteens time: the term "eugenics" is only applicable to humans. With animals it's "selective breeding".

Thanks, because clearly the gist of the belief is VASTLY different when you say selective breeding.

Words have meaning for a reason.