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anon_0c71f says

Don’t know much about dogs, but aren’t we humans larger and can probably take a dog out easily in hand to hand combat?

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

Dangerous misconception.

I have new neighbors with whom I've become friends, a retired teacher and her husband who worked security for Harrah's in Las Vegas and is now employed in security at Baylor. They have a large female pit bull, Coco, who is sweet as she can be. As is typical today, she is a rescue so they presumably have no real information about her earlier life. They have me over for dinner periodically and she is relegated to the back part of the house. They're going on a five or six day trip right after the first of the year and leave her in charge of a house-sitter. From what I've read, pits are very high energy dogs which need a lot of interaction with people or other dogs to dispel the pent-up energy. They don't do well when caged or in solitary circumstances for long periods of time. My fear is that on a day, even as sweet as she seems most of the time, she may turn on either of her owners or a sitter, neither of whom will be able to defend themselves against such a large animal. Whatever happened to people owning cocker spaniels or collies whose natures seem so much more docile? I think having a rescue dog today has become kind of a virtue signal as they call it.

P N Dr Lo R says

I think having a rescue dog today has become kind of a virtue signal as they call it

Yes.

"Maryland Woman Killed by Pit Bull She Adopted Just 2 Weeks Earlier: 'The Dog Went After Her'"

"Pediatrician: Pit bulls do not belong in homes with children
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Pit bulls cause about half of the severe injuries to children, and very often the worst of the injuries. The majority of other dog breeds don’t pose remotely this risk.

Of course, not every pit bull will attack. But, unfortunately, you can’t tell which ones will. And if they do — and enough of them do — one moment can mean the difference between life and death of a child or a disfiguring injury and a life of pain, scars and emotional trauma.

Pit bull defenders want you to think that it’s normal for a dog to maul or kill thousands of children. It’s not. The vast majority of dog breeds have never killed or mauled a child — no matter how they are raised.
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“Pit bull terrier bites were responsible for a significantly higher number of orthopaedic injuries and resulted in an amputation and/or bony injury in 66 percent of patients treated …”
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A 2016 study, “Characteristics of 1,616 Consecutive Dog Bite Injuries at a Single Institution,” found: “Pit bull bites were implicated in half of all surgeries performed and over 2.5 times as likely to bite in multiple anatomic locations as compared to other breeds.”
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“Pediatric dog bites span a wide range of ages, frequently require operative intervention, and can cause severe morbidity. Dog familiarity did not confer safety, and in this series, pit bulls were most frequently responsible.”"

"Karen Brown, 57, was mauled to death by a pit bull on the Far South Side on Aug. 4. The dog clamped its jaws into her neck and bit her all over her body. Police responding to the scene shot and killed the animal when it charged at them.

Four days later, another pit bull attacked two women standing in front of their home in the South Side’s Burnside neighborhood. A neighbor fought off the dog with a shovel, and the women escaped."

Woman killed by neighborhood Pit Bulls

On Thursday, August 9, 2018, a resident of a Lake Tillery development on the western side of Montgomery County went missing while taking her daily walk. After several hours the 66 year old female did not return home. Her husband called neighbors and friends who searched the area.

Within hours she was discovered deceased on the side of an unused road within the development. An investigation was conducted with the assistance of the Medical Examiner’s Office, NC Wildlife Resources Commission and Animal Control.

The investigation revealed she had been attacked by dogs. Law enforcement searched the neighborhood and located two pit bull dogs with physical evidence reflecting the dog’s involvement."

Three vicious pit bull attacks in the San Francisco area this month have ignited a campaign to change California Law, to allow a crackdown on pit bulls.
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The latest attack in the San Francisco area came Wednesday, when Smokey, an 8-month-old pit bull, attacked a neighbor, 8-year-old Annette Rojas. The bites were almost fatal."

"June 3, 2005, Maureen Faibish left her son Nicholas Faibish, 12, alone in the family's Inner Sunset district home.... Nicholas had been bitten by an increasingly agitated Rex before being left alone with the dogs, according to testimony on both sides. Maureen Faibish returned home on June 3 to find Nicholas’ body in an upstairs bedroom."

"A pregnant Pacifica, Calif. woman was mauled and killed by a family pit bull Thursday inside her home and discovered by her husband when he returned from work."

"In the 6-year study published in the medical journal PEDIATRICS (Vol.97 No. 6, 891-5), Jeffrey J. Sacks, M.D. and associates reported the finding of 109 bite-related fatalities... The most commonly reported dog breeds involved were pit bulls (24 deaths), followed by rottweilers (16 deaths), and German shepherds (10 deaths)."

"A 2018 report issued by DogsBite.org shows that over 35 dog breeds contributed to 433 deaths in a 13-year period. Pit bulls contributed to 66% of these deaths, followed by rottweilers with 10%."

"A 2018 report issued by DogsBite.org shows that over 35 dog breeds contributed to 433 deaths in a 13-year period. Pit bulls contributed to 66% of these deaths, followed by rottweilers with 10%."



Pit Bulls are like the blacks of the dog world.

https://www.dogsbite.org/img/grandmother-attack-pit-bull-als-ice-buck-challenge.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/H2GNzX4n5Ho/maxresdefault.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8iQjWsbvQdY/TEoXGxHswnI/AAAAAAAAAMQ/t_JdoIKVltY/s1600/pitbulls_attack_50_yr+old+man.jpg

"A dog that mauled its owner to death while he was being interviewed by a BBC film crew had attacked him before, a neighbour said.

The man, named locally as Mario Perivoitos, 41, was with the film crew at his home in Wood Green on 20 March when his Staffordshire bull terrier attacked, biting him in the neck."

Grandmother mauled in Bronx pit bull attack speaks out.

Althea Woodson, who goes by Lisa, was watching her two young grandchildren at the Eastchester Gardens apartments when the large dog somehow got loose and pounced.

The 57-year-old suffered serious injuries to her hand and face, even losing part of her ear. She is now recovering at home.

"I have a gash, a gash here, a gash here," she said. "See where all the blood is?"

The physical pain is hard enough, but what truly overwhelms her is the the terror she felt as her grandkids played on a jungle gym and the dog lunged their way.

Eyewitness News obtained video of Woodson screaming on the bench after that dog grabbed her by the head and dragged her away.

"And it just kept coming and coming," she said. "And it won't go. It won't go nowhere, and it hurt so bad."

http://abc7ny.com/pets-animals/exclusive-grandmother-mauled-in-pit-bull-attack-speaks-out/3279201/

"Milwaukee woman mauled to death by at least one of her pet dogs.

A Milwaukee woman was found dead in her near west side home after being mauled to death by at least one of her pet dogs, according to the Milwaukee County medical examiner's office.

Hong Saengsamly, 49, was found by her son about 10 p.m. Saturday in the kitchen of her home in the 500 block of N. 28th St., according to a medical examiner's report.

Saengsamly suffered multiple puncture and blunt force injuries on her arms and shoulders and her death was due to "mauling by dogs," according to the report.

A pit bull-type dog that appeared to be guarding her body became hostile with the son before he fatally shot the animal, according to the report."

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/milwaukee/2018/03/26/milwaukee-woman-mauled-death-least-one-her-pet-dogs/460444002/

"4-year-old boy mauled to death by family dog in northeast Bexar County.

A 4-year-old boy was mauled to death by the family dog in northeast Bexar County Sunday afternoon. A family friend is now pleading with the public to have compassion for the parents of 4-year-old Noah Trevino after Facebook users blamed the parents for his death.

A family member told us the dog was a Pit Bull mix and had been the family's pet for at least three years.

Yet, something set off Bam Bam Sunday afternoon at the family home on Twincreek Farm. The family told officers Noah was playing in the backyard with Bam Bam. They said when they checked on Noah, they found Bam Bam biting his neck.

http://www.kens5.com/article/news/local/4-year-old-boy-mauled-to-death-by-family-dog-in-northeast-bexar-county/273-532355324

curious2 says

A 4-year-old boy was mauled to death by the family dog

That's why I continue to worry about my neighbors who bought a big Pit Bull as a rescue a couple of years ago. She weighs about 75-100 lbs. and is as sweet as she can be. They boarded her for a day while they took a day trip to Dallas. When they came back the kennel owner told them another dog had tried to play with her and she bit back, wouldn't let go until they forced her to--she's now banned from that kennel and they had to find another, more expensive facility. Her husband works at night and she's alone with the dog and if she ever got a notion, Lisa would never be able to defend herself. I don't understand the mania for rescues or why they can't rescue a Cocker Spaniel or Dachund or some other kind of normal dog, why a big Pit Bull. This should put them on notice.

I don't want to say bad things about dogs because so many people love them, but some dogs are really dangerous, essentially weapons. They were bred that way.

Patrick says

I don't want to say bad things about dogs because so many people love them, but some dogs are really dangerous, essentially weapons. They were bred that way.

As a former owner of a large terrier (not the "bull & terrier" type though) I must say these beasts are awesome when properly trained, controlled by an experienced handler and used for intended purposes. Which is personal defense/attack kind of work (basically your typical "K9 officer") or hunting dangerous animals like European boar. Their fearlesness and high pain tolerance allow them to excel where even German Shepards can fail. But giving them out like candy to old ladies and families with small children is irresponsible to say it mildly.

Pass a Law declaring any Dog that kills or maims someone a Weapon. The owner's weapon, and prosecute the same as you would as if he randomly assulted someone with a knife, axe or gun.

Problem solved, after a few public hearings and death penalties these breeds will disappear within 5 years.

I’m with AF. Civilians should just be armed and firing at dogs at all times. Chihuahua yaps at you? BLAM! Problem solved.

So many eugenicists on patnet these days. I wonder how many of you have South American's IP's?

NuttBoxer says

So many eugenicists on patnet these days.

For the umpteens time: the term "eugenics" is only applicable to humans. With animals it's "selective breeding".

DASKAA says

For the umpteens time: the term "eugenics" is only applicable to humans. With animals it's "selective breeding".

Thanks, because clearly the gist of the belief is VASTLY different when you say selective breeding.

NuttBoxer says

selective breeding.

Either way, you are endorsing it when you choose fighting breeds such as the pit bulls. They were bred to fight. The weaker, less aggressive fighters were killed by the stronger, more aggressive fighters, which were then bred. Just as race horses are bred for racing, pit bull dogs were bred for fighting and killing. You brought the result into your home, creating an unnecessary risk. Other dogs, that have not been selectively bred for fighting and killing, do not pose nearly the same risk.

NuttBoxer says

DASKAA says

For the umpteens time: the term "eugenics" is only applicable to humans. With animals it's "selective breeding".

Thanks, because clearly the gist of the belief is VASTLY different when you say selective breeding.

Words have meaning for a reason.

A recent comment reminded me of this thread. I had quoted empirical data proving that pit bull dogs are much more likely to kill or maim people, especially children, than any other type of dog. A pit bull lover reacted in his usual way, with profanity and falsely alleging racism. The data speak for themselves, and appear above as well as being linked in the comment below.

curious2 says

NuttBoxer says

Hitler.... you espouse eugenics....

Your bizarre exercise in projection, including invoking Hitler three times in one thread, shows cognitive dissonance on your part. You are the only one who defends a product of eugenics in this thread. You are the only one who invokes Hitler in this thread. You call yourself a "nuttboxer", but it is your own progeny who are endangered by your embrace of eugenics, and your efforts at trolling with your Hitler comments (three so far) only make you look worse. Your feeble attempt to point your eugenicist's finger at me shows only poor reasoning skills on your part, when the evidence is clear: you are the only one practicing eugenics, which you have literally bought and brought into your home.

curious2 says

NuttBoxer says

I guess you only need arguments that are skin deep.

The wounds on the hundreds of people mauled to death by pit bulls were much deeper than the skin. You espouse a product of eugenics that kills children and adults. The blood is on your hands, not mine. Your "arguments" are merely trolling, crying "Hitler" over and over again, and appealing to anecdotes and conjecture as if they could refute peer reviewed empirical data.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5414844/snake-handler-dan-brandon-crushed-pet-python-tiny/

On average, people are far too irresponsible to own dogs as dangerous as Pit Bulls

DASKAA says

Patrick says

I don't want to say bad things about dogs because so many people love them, but some dogs are really dangerous, essentially weapons. They were bred that way.

As a former owner of a large terrier (not the "bull & terrier" type though) I must say these beasts are awesome when properly trained, controlled by an experienced handler and used for intended purposes. Which is personal defense/attack kind of work (basically your typical "K9 officer") or hunting dangerous animals like European boar. Their fearlesness and high pain tolerance allow them to excel where even German Shepards can fail. But giving them out like candy to old ladies and families with small children is irresponsible to say it mildly.

In Great Britain, 4 breeds are banned. Pit Bulls are one of them. "Dangerous Dogs Act." We need a similar act in the USA, so this breed can simply die out. Too many other safe dog breeds are available. Pick something else!

rocketjoe79 says

DASKAA says

Patrick says

I don't want to say bad things about dogs because so many people love them, but some dogs are really dangerous, essentially weapons. They were bred that way.

As a former owner of a large terrier (not the "bull & terrier" type though) I must say these beasts are awesome when properly trained, controlled by an experienced handler and used for intended purposes. Which is personal defense/attack kind of work (basically your typical "K9 officer") or hunting dangerous animals like European boar. Their fearlesness and high pain tolerance allow them to excel where even German Shepards can fail. But giving them out like candy to old ladies and families with small children is irresponsible to say it mildly.

In Great Britain, 4 breeds are banned. Pit Bulls are one of them. "Dangerous Dogs...

As said above, I've never owned anything of "bull&terrier" type. Just a big terrier. It was trained to take down a full-sized man (and did at twice in RL) though.

As for following Britain's lead on anything they do in the name of "safety": the fuckers has banned glass pints in pubs and are about to ban kitchen knives with sharp points. Fuck that nation of fucking pussies. They should quietly drop the "Great" from their country's name.

"Four years after his daughter was mauled, father also bitten in pit bull attack
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The father of a Delaware girl who nearly lost her arm in a 2014 pit bull attack was bitten by two pit bulls himself on Saturday and is undergoing a series of rabies shots.

"I just turned around, and they just were on me," Todd Ruckle said in a video recorded from the hospital and posted on Facebook. "One was on my leg, and the other one came up to my face and got my lip, but that's not bad. My leg's the really bad one."

His daughter Emily Ruckle was mauled by a pit bull named Frank while at the family's home in Newark. It was four years ago, this month. At the time, she was 8 years old.
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In the first 12 hours after the attack, Emily essentially bled out four times. She underwent more than two years of surgeries and rehab to restore function to her arm. After a final surgery in 2016, she regained some of the function in her right hand.
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After his daughter was attacked in 2014, Ruckle advocated for stronger animal control laws such as mandatory insurance for dog owners. The family received letters from pit bull advocates, wife Maria told The News Journal. One wrote that her daughter should have been shot instead of the dog.
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In March, Wilmington resident Diane Olin White also had a run in with a pit bull. She was walking her two dogs – Stella, a brown 50-pound boxer mix, and Darcy, a white 17-pound poodle and Jack Russell mix, when they were attacked by a stray.

Stella suffered puncture wounds and survived, but it was too late for Darcy."

"pit bull attack: residents suffer significant injuries protecting neighborhood children
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Becky Barker and Jay Anderson responded after hearing the screams of children who were being chased by three pit bulls they said were part of a one hour rampage in their neighborhood.

Barker told News 5 the pit bulls had children trapped on top of a car that was parked in front of her home, and when she stepped out to help, the pit bulls bit her multiple times in three areas of her body."

Fuck Pit Bulls and their Owners!

"Man on morning walk attacked by pit bull, manages to shoot it
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Mike Hagar was walking his dog in the 1900 block of East 27th Street when a pit bull attacked him and his dog, according to police.

According to police, Hagar was able to retrieve a handgun and shot the pit bull to death. Hagar sustained bite marks on his arm."

The 2nd Amendment protects the Constitutional right to keep and bear arms. There is no Constitutional right to harbor dangerous animals.

Guns don't kill people. Pit bulls kill people.

"A toddler mauled by her family dog last week has died, according to authorities.
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The child and her mother were playing in the yard of their Rocky Mount home when their 6-year-old pit bull attacked the child.

The mother called 911, pleading for help.

“I need some help. My dog is attacking my daughter. Hurry, she's dying. Please hurry,” the mother told a dispatcher, according to the 911 recording.

The dispatcher told the mother to pry open the dog's mouth, hit the dog on the head with a heavy object and use a knife to slit the dog's throat.

The mother did all that and tried to stab the dog as well, but it wouldn't release the girl, according to authorities.

When deputies arrived, the dog was still slinging the child around in its mouth.

A deputy shot the dog, but it didn't stop so the deputy had to shoot it twice. The dog then died.

The child was first taken to a local hospital, airlifted to Vidant Medical Center in Greenville and transported again to UNC Children's Hospital in Chapel Hill."

"A 28-year-old Rockville, Md., woman was walking her dog Addie when she was besieged by five pit-bull mixed-breed dogs, who tore at Addie’s abdomen before turning on her owner, Montgomery County Police said in a news release.
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The woman fled to a neighbor’s porch and stayed there to call police. Cops arrived to find her bleeding from her leg and [her dog] bleeding from her stomach.
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As they spoke, three of the dogs were out in the yard in front of the porch. One suddenly ran at the porch, and the others followed, launching a second attack, cops said.. The woman and her dog were bitten again before police were able to contain the loose dogs.
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Animal services seized the five dogs, which have all been declared “dangerous,” police said."

"A pit bull and boxer mix attacked a 76-year-old pizza delivery man in Palm Coast Thursday evening, according to the Flagler County Sheriff's Office.

Deputies said the victim, who works for Napoli Pizza, was delivering an order to a home on Perkins Lane around 6 p.m. and when the customer opened the door, the 5-year-old pit bull-boxer mix squeezed through her legs and jumped on the victim.
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Body camera video showed the man had blood dripping down the right side of his face when authorities arrived.
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The victim was taken to Halifax Hospital in Daytona Beach for treatment.
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Flagler County Sheriff Rick Staly warned pet owners to stay cautious.

"With Halloween approaching, if you think your pet could be spooked or become aggressive, please secure your pet before opening the door," he said."

"A high school student in New Jersey is recovering from serious puncture wounds after being attacked by a pit bull.

Authorities say the dog broke off its leash and charged at the young man while he was walking down the street in Jersey City around 7 p.m. on October 10.

Fifteen-year-old Derrick Holley, Jr., said he was walking home along Corbin Avenue after an evening playing basketball with friends when out of nowhere and without warning, the pit bull attacked."

"A 12-year-old girl suffered 49 puncture wounds when she was attacked this week by a pit bull in the family’s eastern North Carolina yard, the child’s mother told TV station WTVD.
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TV station WNCN identified the girl as Anasti Verbal and said she had just exited a school bus on Carr Creek Road when the typically chained-up dog came running."