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Evan F. says

I've been happily married for 15 years, in one of those 'traditional' unions. You guys should be applauding me, I'm one of the guys propping up our collapsing society!

Oh man, what a youngster and still wet behind the ears. Call us when you have some really experience. I'm on 38 years....

just_dregalicious says

I'm 46 and still pull early 30s hotties. Much younger than that and I find them boring and annoying usually. Strike that. I find them boring and annoying immediately rather than after a while.

I did too before getting married. Good strategy. A 30s who kept young is better than a 20s. For marrying 25-35 depending on looks and health is a good age for her.

Evan F. says

Yes, it's always the woman's fault. There's never any quality women out there! I'm a perfect guy, I'm a total catch, the ladies should be bending over backwards to be my slave.

Said every single loser on this site.

Ha.... that was a good one.

mell says

It's easy to cast people as losers but the statistics are backing my assertion. Men are dragging their feet while 3/4 of divorces are initiated by women. Plus I know many that claim to be happily married when in fact they are being cucked by a less than desirable woman.

I'll tell you why that's happening. In EVERY instant that I've seen divorces, the guy went into the relationship thinking with the wrong head (the lower one). Getting married based on a PHYSICAL attraction very rarely works out. It's the COMPLETE package that makes the difference.

mell says

I am suspicious of people who claim to have the perfect wives esp. here as the general hostility towards men rubs off even on the most traditional unicorn hottie.

I'll never claim to have the perfect wife, but after 38 years, it's the best it's ever been. That's not to say it hasn't been extremely hard work, some big battles, and other crap. But the key is to work through all that stuff, and come out the other end, with the bandages. What I see in many cases are the couples not willing to work it out, and instead, take the easier route, and just bail through divorce. That's typical with how people handle every other issue in their lives, bail out instead of fix.

MrMagic says

I'm on 38 years....

Congrats, man! That's awesome.

mell says

It's easy to cast people as losers but the statistics are backing my assertion. Men are dragging their feet while 3/4 of divorces are initiated by women.

It's easy to cast people as losers, when, in fact, they are losers. Our man Trump does it all the time! And if 3/4 of divorces are initiated by women, what does that say about the men they're attached to?

just_dregalicious says

Evan F. says

Is this speaking from experience?

No

Then why would you say something like 'I recommend having a kid out of wedlock'?

MrMagic says

mell says

I am suspicious of people who claim to have the perfect wives esp. here as the general hostility towards men rubs off even on the most traditional unicorn hottie.

I'll never claim to have the perfect wife, but after 38 years, it's the best it's ever been. That's not to say it hasn't been extremely hard work, some big battles, and other crap. But the key is to work through all that stuff, and come out the other end, with the bandages. What I see in many cases are the couples not willing to work it out, and instead, take the easier route, and just bail through divorce. That's typical with how people handle every other issue in their lives, bail out instead of fix.

Well put.

Evan F. says

mell says

It's easy to cast people as losers but the statistics are backing my assertion. Men are dragging their feet while 3/4 of divorces are initiated by women.

It's easy to cast people as losers, when, in fact, they are losers. Our man Trump does it all the time! And if 3/4 of divorces are initiated by women, what does that say about the men they're attached to?

The women make bad choices too, like in the case of picking the "bad boy" for the fun of it, only to find out he really was a loser, after all.

Evan F. says

Then why would you say something like 'I recommend having a kid out of wedlock'?

Because I do recommend it for those who want kids. The costs out weigh the benefits these days.

just_dregalicious says

Because I do recommend it for those who want kids. No costs out weigh the benefits these days.

So do you have kids?

MrMagic says

Evan F. says

Yes, it's always the woman's fault. There's never any quality women out there! I'm a perfect guy, I'm a total catch, the ladies should be bending over backwards to be my slave.

Said every single loser on this site.

Ha.... that was a good one.

mell says

It's easy to cast people as losers but the statistics are backing my assertion. Men are dragging their feet while 3/4 of divorces are initiated by women. Plus I know many that claim to be happily married when in fact they are being cucked by a less than desirable woman.

I'll tell you why that's happening. In EVERY instant that I've seen divorces, the guy went into the relationship thinking with the wrong head (the lower one). Getting married based on a PHYSICAL attraction very rarely works out. It's the COMPLETE package that makes...

Agreed.

Evan F. says

MrMagic says

I'm on 38 years....

Congrats, man! That's awesome.

mell says

It's easy to cast people as losers but the statistics are backing my assertion. Men are dragging their feet while 3/4 of divorces are initiated by women.

It's easy to cast people as losers, when, in fact, they are losers. Our man Trump does it all the time! And if 3/4 of divorces are initiated by women, what does that say about the men they're attached to?

just_dregalicious says

Evan F. says

Is this speaking from experience?

No

Then why would you say something like 'I recommend having a kid out of wedlock'?

No it means that the majority of women initiating those divorces were unfit for marriage and got baited by the advantageous divorce laws. Did guys make bad choices with them? Sure but if you bail out of a marriage thr problem is you in 80+% of cases. The pareto principle always holds.

MrMagic says

The women make bad choices too, like in the case of picking the "bad boy" for the fun of it, only to find out he really was a loser, after all.

Absolutely. But there's so much of the notion that 'women are all a bunch of useless bitches' going around here it's comical.

Two way street.

Evan F. says

So do you have kids?

No, I already answered that.

Evan F. says

MrMagic says

The women make bad choices too, like in the case of picking the "bad boy" for the fun of it, only to find out he really was a loser, after all.

Absolutely. But there's so much of the notion that 'women are all a bunch of useless bitches' going around here it's comical.

Two way street.

The statistics are clear. Not all but many. Subjecting your kids to single motherhood is piss poor parenting.

mell says

No it means that the majority of women initiating those divorces were unfit for marriage and got baited by the advantageous divorce laws.

Says who. Says you? Can you say with certainty that that's what why majority of those women are initiating divorces?

just_dregalicious says

Evan F. says

So do you have kids?

No, I already answered that.

Then why in the Christ would anyone take anything you say about child rearing and/or marriage seriously? Are you fucking kidding me?

Evan F. says

mell says

No it means that the majority of women initiating those divorces were unfit for marriage and got baited by the advantageous divorce laws.

Says who. Says you? Can you say with certainty that that's what why majority of those women are initiating divorces?

Abuse by the husband is relatively rare. Give it 10% which is generous so yeah the rest are unfit. Why else would you break a sworn lifelong bond and potentially wreck kids.

mell says

Abuse by the husband is relatively rare. Give it 10% which is generous so yeah the rest are unfit. Why else would you break a sworn lifelong bond and potentially wreck kids.

This is 100% speculation. There are a million reasons to initiate a divorce. Are some gaming the divorce laws? Sure. Are there other possible reasons? Yep.

Evan F. says

Then why in the Christ would anyone take anything you say about child rearing and/or marriage seriously? Are you fucking kidding me?

I don't care what you think. No, I'm not kidding you.

mell says

Plus I know many that claim to be happily married when in fact they are being cucked by a less than desirable woman. Especially in the bay area where hotties are pretty rare. Some are being bossed around so.badly that I'd rather see them free as much as I root for the family.

This.

I can't count how many times I've heard married guys I work with wish they were in my shoes. Complain about the slavery they're in. Seems like it's near 90% and those are the ones who aren't even raped in divorce court yet.

just_dregalicious says

I don't care what you think. No, I'm not kidding you.

You posted it on this site, so it's fair game for criticism. And news flash: it's retarded advice. You don't know what you're talking about, you've never had kids, you're apparently not married because you're still bedding '30's hotties', whatever that means.

I'm sorry I hurt your feewings! But yeah, keep dropping those pearls of wisdom about having kids out of wedlock, especially for the dudes.

just_dregalicious says

I can't count how many times I've heard married guys I work with wish they were in my shoes. Complain about the slavery they're in.

Sounds like they have the pussy in the relationship. Why don't they take off their skirts, get their balls back, and take control of their situation. It's easy to blame the wife when they have no balls. Do they act that same way at work, let others boss them around and not take responsibility and step up?

Marriage is simply not the natural arrangement between males and females. The present legal arrangement violates mans nature.

Today the male is severely punished for having a sexual partner in addition to the aging, enlarging, and controlling one he is married to.

Men who are older can still attract younger females, but the converse is not true; older females generally can not attract males of any age.

Having someone to have conversations with, spend time with, go out to eat with, etc. doesn't require marriage. I do these with my widow neighbor.

As far as sexual relations go, I have younger ones for this activity. Everyone likes the arrangement as far as I can tell.

MrMagic says

Sounds like they have the pussy in the relationship. Why don't they take off their skirts, get their balls back, and take control of their situation. It's easy to blame the wife when they have no balls. Do they act that same way at work, let others boss them around and not take responsibility and step up?

Typical biotech dudes in California. Both Norcal and Socal. Mostly feel powerless due to family law.

Evan F. says

You posted it on this site, so it's fair game for criticism. And news flash: it's retarded advice. You don't know what you're talking about, you've never had kids, you're apparently not married because you're still bedding '30's hotties', whatever that means.

I'm sorry I hurt your feewings! But yeah, keep dropping those pearls of wisdom about having kids out of wedlock, especially for the dudes.

Critique all you like. You're delusional though if you think I give a shit about what you think. Marriage is a construct, people have raised kids for hundreds of thousands of years without it. I've got great family and it worked well for them. These days though you're marrying the government. Fuck that.

clambo says

Marriage is simply not the natural arrangement between males and females. The present legal arrangement violates mans nature.

Official marriage is only just a piece of paper. Stop getting hung up. Its more about the committment, through thick and thin that determines the relationship. Guys who can't make that committment, or have shitty skills at picking good mates, are the ones not getting married.

Blaming a piece of paper for entrapment is a cop out and shows a failed loser. I'm sure that carries over to other parts of his life too.

clambo says

As far as sexual relations go, I have younger ones for this activity. Everyone likes the arrangement as far as I can tell.

Maybe you need to expand your social circle, after all, you are who you associate with.

MrMagic says

I'm on 38 years....

Things were different when you were young. My parents are on 47 and I am quite certain if my dad was in his 20s and got married right now he'd last about a year. Family law in the west is fucked (THANK YOU BOOMERS) and even worse in the UK. I wouldn't even date a single mom in the NW US. Judges are sticking guys with child support for kids that aren't even their kid in that area.

I'm not sure how many out of wedlock kids there are running around these days but I'd guess it's over 50%. (If you include divorce) Daddy is now, "The state", and you serve only at the pleasure of your wife.

just_dregalicious says

Critique all you like. You're delusional though if you think I give a shit about what you think.

And yet you keep responding to my posts. Clearly evidence that your don't care what I think!

Evan F. says

And yet you keep responding to my posts. Clearly evidence that your don't care what I think!

You're so gay with your, "I know you are but what am I", type posts. That's what I think.

just_dregalicious says

You're so gay with your, "I know you are but what am I", type posts. That's what I think.

clambo says

Marriage is simply not the natural arrangement between males and females. The present legal arrangement violates mans nature.

Today the male is severely punished for having a sexual partner in addition to the aging, enlarging, and controlling one he is married to.

Men who are older can still attract younger females, but the converse is not true; older females generally can not attract males of any age.

Having someone to have conversations with, spend time with, go out to eat with, etc. doesn't require marriage. I do these with my widow neighbor.

As far as sexual relations go, I have younger ones for this activity. Everyone likes the arrangement as far as I can tell.

I agree with much of what you're saying, but there is one thing that LTRs or marriage give you if done right...love. I don't mean to sound sappy, but superficial relationships with many women (albeit hella fun) wouldn't cut it for me especially as I grow old, which I'm not yet. There's something unique and special about being with someone for decades, sharing memories and a family together, making it through the ups and downs, etc. If you've never tasted that, I understand why you'd go the route you choose. But for me, it's priceless.

porkchopexpress says

wouldn't cut it for me especially as I grow old, which I'm not yet.

How old were you when you married? As I mentioned above I think if you marry somewhat young there are great opportunities. I come from a huge family with great marriages. I had health problems in my 20s and early 30s and worked my ass off to pay for and solve them as well as to climb out of poverty. Didn't spend those years looking to get married. Not a multi-millionaire yet but soon will be. No way I'm fucking that up now with what's leftover in the culture we live in now though.

just_dregalicious says

porkchopexpress says

wouldn't cut it for me especially as I grow old, which I'm not yet.

How old were you when you married?

I was young...23. I certainly understand the risks you'd be taking by getting married, which I wouldn't do if I waited later in life for the reasons you cite, unless I was 100% sure. The laws are far too discriminatory against men and breadwinners.

Economists are calling the, "Men not wanting to marry", phenomenon we're currently in which is greater than the old-fashioned, "commitment-phobe", situation a "rational economic decision".

In my opinion, it really does take 2 parents to raise children. I do not think a single parent working full time leaves enough time for nurture. This is true whether the man or woman is the "house spouse" in the child's formative years, or whether the couple is gay or lesbian. That being said, I think the only real reason to get married is to raise kids, and if you do plan to raise kids, you really should get married to someone like minded in this most important job. Yes, today's environment makes divorce too easy, with the breadwinner at risk for serious loss. But I see a way to deal with that, based on the successful marriages I know. Here is what I would tell any 18 year old kid today:

Don' t get married too young. Party and get it out of your system in your 20s and early 30s. If you are 37 year old guy and marry a 31 year old girl, your are marrying a girl who knows that a fantasy Brad Pitt type is not out there waiting for her, and she has enough career experience to know if that job is more important than the bio-clock. I know several guys who married young and then had the wife dump them during their late 20s, the reason was always something similar to "you stole my youth" and then the girl ran off with some more exciting type.

Date within your socio-economic group. Increases you chances of falling for a girl as rich as you are, who would have much less to gain in a divorce.

I know that lots of elderly people (like George and Barbara Bush) have had long marriages despite marrying extremely young and with the man usually richer, but that was in a much different environment.

Evan F. says

just_dregalicious says

Critique all you like. You're delusional though if you think I give a shit about what you think.

And yet you keep responding to my posts. Clearly evidence that your don't care what I think!

Come on, guys. We have a cool forum on various subjects for the examination of facts and the exchange of ideas. We are obviously trying to influence what others think and maybe even change some minds. Even opinions you disagree with can be interesting, and maybe either convince you or cause you to respond with the perfect rebuttal.

That being said, I know my posts contain such high intellectual content and unassailable reasoning that all Patnetters, including the most die-hard, will eventually come around to my way of thinking.

HeadSet says

really does take 2 parents to raise children.

This I agree with and I never said anything about not committing to that or that I was against living together. My best friend from high school lived with his girlfriend for 20 years and they were one of the happiest couples I've ever known. Never had kids and she died from breast cancer. That was 4 years ago. I call him the Italian Stallion. He has early 20s women throwing themselves at him. Hot ones. He's still tore up about his loss.

HeadSet says

Don' t get married too young. Party and get it out of your system in your 20s and early 30s.

I've been telling my nephew that if he's interested in marriage at 30 he needs to be targeting an early 20s woman. Not long after that the good ones get scooped up. You're right about the risks but I think that's a guy's best chance.

I've been telling my nephew that if he's interested in marriage at 30 he needs to be targeting an early 20s woman. Not long after that the good ones get scooped up. You're right about the risks but I think that's a guy's best chance.

IMO, 30 is too young for the guy to get married. He should date these young 20s women causally for now, and when 35 or so start dating women in their late 20s that are still single because they put career before marriage. Such career girls usually have a change of heart around 28 concerning career and bio-clock, and now have the mindset to make a good wife and mother.

just_dregalicious says

Family law in the west is fucked (THANK YOU BOOMERS) and even worse in the UK. I wouldn't even date a single mom in the NW US. Judges are sticking guys with child support for kids that aren't even their kid in that area.

See, that's a big part of the issue, if you go INTO a relationship thinking about family law and divorce, you're already setting yourself up for failure.

just_dregalicious says

I'm not sure how many out of wedlock kids there are running around these days but I'd guess it's over 50%. (

In the black community, it's closer to 75%. Want to guess why the crime is the way it is in that population?

MrMagic says

See, that's a big part of the issue, if you go INTO a relationship thinking about family law and divorce, you're already setting yourself up for failure.

Only a moron wouldn't be thinking about that in today's anti-male 3rd wave feminist climate.

MrMagic says

In the black community, it's closer to 75%. Want to guess why the crime is the way it is in that population?

I'd thought in that community it was closer to 90%. Those guys abandon their kids. I'm firmly against that.

just_dregalicious says

MrMagic says

In the black community, it's closer to 75%. Want to guess why the crime is the way it is in that population?

I think in the 70s it was around 40% for black families and 5% for white families. White families now eclipse 1970s black families. It's been awhile since I read about that but that's ball park accurate.