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Trump has brought us much greater peace and prosperity than any other president in decades


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2019 Mar 23, 9:37am   11,946 views  158 comments

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No matter what you think of Trump the person, he has so far led us to much greater peace and prosperity than we had before him.

* No new wars. In fact, Trump has been extricating our military from unwise incursions, in Syria, for example
* Record stock market highs
* Tax cuts for the large majority of US citizens
* Dramatic increase in US manufacturing jobs
* The economy has achieved the longest positive job-growth streak ever
* Black unemployment at record low
* Overall unemployment lowest in nearly 50 years
* Repealed Obamacare mandate for the self-employed to pay private insurers whatever they demand
* Greatly improved relations between US and N. Korea, and N. and S. Korea too
* Confronted China and other countries about unfair trade deals which were sucking jobs out of the US
* ISIS-held territory wiped out
* Signed executive order requiring universities to protect free speech on campus or lose federal funding
* Signed order requiring hospitals to publish price lists

None of these are even debatable. They are objective facts.

http://www.magapill.com/

https://www.redstate.com/diary/davenj1/2019/03/21/trumps-greatest-accomplishment-date/

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/trumps-list-289-accomplishments-in-just-20-months-relentless-promise-keeping

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107   marcus   2019 Apr 15, 1:15pm  

AOC's credit rating ? You really gonna go there ?

That ain't nothin. Republicans made a con artist/huckster/grifter who has declared bankruptcy multiple times in the past 20 years, POTUS.

And speaking of credit ratings, one of the stronger hypotheses about Trumps Russia connection is that Russia was the only place TRump could borrow money after defaulting on so much debt to America's biggest banks.
108   HeadSet   2019 Apr 15, 2:07pm  

stronger hypotheses about Trumps Russia connection

If Trump has a "Russia connection," then why is Trump going so much against Russian interests in Venezuela, Syria, and the North Sea gas pipeline? Trump not helping Russia much in Ukraine either, nor helping Russia by forcing NATO countries to boost military spending. That "Trump-Russia connection" is grabbing at straws. Guess you don't want see those ridiculous meme cartoons go to waste.
109   marcus   2019 Apr 15, 5:03pm  

HeadSet says
That "Trump-Russia connection" is grabbing at straws


Trump not being favorable to Russian interests in international relations doesn't mean that he has no conflicts of interest with them. In fact, if conflicts of interest are there, it would be a good reason for Trump to go out of his way making sure that he does not appear to be favoring Russia.
110   marcus   2019 Apr 15, 5:06pm  

Patrick says
Trump has brought us much greater peace and prosperity than any other president in decades


Is this the polar opposite of being "woke."

IT gives new meaning to the phrase - "the American Dream."
111   HeadSet   2019 Apr 15, 7:42pm  

marcus says
HeadSet says
That "Trump-Russia connection" is grabbing at straws


Trump not being favorable to Russian interests in international relations doesn't mean that he has no conflicts of interest with them. In fact, if conflicts of interest are there, it would be a good reason for Trump to go out of his way making sure that he does not appear to be favoring Russia.



So, these possible conflicts of interest cause Trump to go against Russia at every turn, just for the optics? Bad statesmanship on Putin's part.
112   Patrick   2019 Apr 15, 9:38pm  

marcus says
Patrick says
Trump has brought us much greater peace and prosperity than any other president in decades


Is this the polar opposite of being "woke."

IT gives new meaning to the phrase - "the American Dream."


Marcus, I'm talking objective facts.

Record low unemployment (especially black unemployment), record high stocks, just a booming economy all around.

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/thomas-jefferson-street/articles/2018-01-16/the-economy-is-booming-under-trump-but-mainstream-media-wont-tell-you-that
113   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Apr 15, 9:43pm  

@Patrick, here is a useful resource

http://www.magapill.com/
114   Patrick   2019 Apr 15, 9:50pm  

Love it.
115   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2019 Apr 16, 6:16am  

Just FYI Patrick, the msm has some people so delusional that despite what the numbers show and despite what we can empirically measure, they think the US economy is doing poorly. I have multiple co workers that will not acknowledge the unemployment rates, have no clue whatsoever about gdp growth, and when I explain to them rising wages, they think it’s due to minimum wage increases.

What’s worse is literally nothing can sway them. They actually won’t listen or read what the facts are. And that’s sad.
116   marcus   2019 Apr 16, 6:46am  

Patrick says
Marcus, I'm talking objective facts.


Why is it that when you look at all the graphs it just looks like a continuation of all the 6 year trends that Obama established ?

Also, if the economy is "booming" why is the 2018 deficit is barely less than deficits when the recession was at it's worst ?

I get it that republicans don't worry about deficits when republicans are President, but this is by far the most unprecedented aspect of our current economy.

I wonder why the scariest objective fact of them all doesn't bother you at all ?
117   Shaman   2019 Apr 16, 7:10am  

marcus says
I wonder why the scariest objective fact of them all doesn't bother you at all ?


I think it bothers most conservatives. And yet no matter who we vote for, or if the candidate wins, or really whoever gets in, we still get huge deficits. The Tea Party was our big push to try to get deficits under control, but it accomplished little besides deepening the divides in Congress. If you have a fucking solution, I’d like to hear it! And it had better be good, because you know on this site it will be critiqued.
118   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Apr 16, 10:19am  

Bernie is discussing Medicare for all, which is hardly a cost-cutting measure.
120   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Apr 16, 6:06pm  

More evidence of a great labor market:

Employers wink at drug tests that show marijuana usage.
https://www.sacbee.com/news/business/article229311214.html
122   CBOEtrader   2019 Apr 22, 11:47am  

marcus says
Why is it that when you look at all the graphs it just looks like a continuation of all the 6 year trends that Obama established ?


If you know how to read charts, the Trump bull market was a clear break in the sideways trend of Obama's final years.
123   CBOEtrader   2019 Apr 22, 11:52am  

Quigley says
If you have a fucking solution, I’d like to hear it! And it had better be good, because you know on this site it will be critiqued.


Trump is following the best possible plan. 1st) cut taxes and let the economy roar 2) push to end wars 3) cut unnecessary waste.

Trump has a lot of work to do on part 3. Maybe stop trying to commit treason and let the man work?

Instead of calling him racist, remind him to decrease govt spending. OR just sit there and scream racist while trying to negate the democratic process all in the name of team game politics.
125   Onvacation   2019 Apr 24, 6:15am  

CovfefeButDeadly says
some people so delusional that despite what the numbers show and despite what we can empirically measure, they think the US economy is doing poorly.
marcus says
Also, if the economy is "booming" why is the 2018 deficit is barely less than deficits when the recession was at it's worst ?

Yep.
126   Bd6r   2019 Apr 24, 8:17am  

marcus says
Why is it that when you look at all the graphs it just looks like a continuation of all the 6 year trends that Obama established ?

Also, if the economy is "booming" why is the 2018 deficit is barely less than deficits when the recession was at it's worst ?

I get it that republicans don't worry about deficits when republicans are President, but this is by far the most unprecedented aspect of our current economy.

I wonder why the scariest objective fact of them all doesn't bother you at all ?

These all are valid points...deficit will not matter until it matters a lot and we are in a depression.
127   Bd6r   2019 Apr 24, 8:19am  

Quigley says
If you have a fucking solution, I’d like to hear it!

Balanced budget amendment...not that it will ever happen.
128   Bd6r   2019 Apr 24, 8:19am  

CBOEtrader says
Trump is following the best possible plan. 1st) cut taxes and let the economy roar 2) push to end wars 3) cut unnecessary waste.

He is raising military spending, which goes contrary to #2.
129   Shaman   2019 Apr 24, 8:28am  

“Rasmussen was one of the most accurate pollsters of the 2016 presidential election.“

Try using news sources that aren’t fake.
131   marcus   2019 Apr 28, 6:32pm  

I guess if you have a right wing media machine in place that's ready to blame the guy who's in office when the remifications of Trumps tax policies hit, then why not ? Let the good times roll !! Put it all on the credit card.

Patrick says
Trump has brought us much greater peace and prosperity than any other president in decades


Quoting the guy who says "debt is slavery."

Might was well blame the guy who has to figure out how to deal with the consequences (sure to be a democrat).

I can hear them now: "aww you guys are always blaming the previous guy for your President's ineptness."
132   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Apr 28, 6:36pm  

marcus says
Quoting the guy who says "debt is slavery."


Debt is slavery for entities that don't control the printing presses of the world's reserve currency. We hit ~100% of GDP under Obama, not Trump.
133   marcus   2019 Apr 28, 7:53pm  

HonkpilledMaster says
We hit ~100% of GDP under Obama, not Trump


Yes. What was happening with our econoy in late 2008 through mid 2010 ?

Yeah yeah, I know. TYpical liberal blame the economy coming in, by citing obvious facts.

Running a trillion dollar deficit in 2009 or 2010 is a world of difference to running a trillion dollar deficit in 2018.
134   Booger   2019 Apr 28, 7:59pm  

marcus says
Might was well blame the guy who has to figure out how to deal with the consequences (sure to be a democrat).



135   marcus   2019 Apr 28, 8:03pm  

SO we agree on something

Run the deficit up up up, and then put a socialist in there right before the whole thing breaks, and saqy "see, I told you socialism doesn't work."

OF course in this case socilism means things like publicly funded health care and education.
137   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 May 26, 5:18pm  

marcus says
Run the deficit up up up, and then put a socialist in there right before the whole thing breaks, and saqy "see, I told you socialism doesn't work."


There was no talk of deficits when Obama introduced Socialized Private Mandatory Health Insurance, or Shovel-ready programs that weren't shovel ready.

The Media began to talk of Deficits literally the day Trump won the Presidency,
138   marcus   2019 May 27, 9:05am  

HonkpilledMaster says
There was no talk of deficits when Obama introduced Socialized Private Mandatory Health Insurance, or Shovel-ready programs that weren't shovel ready.


Total BS. THere was plenty of talk about deficits. The ddults were in charge back then. Obama would have done more in the way of stimulus but for concern about deficits.

To me the economics discussion back then felt nonpartisan compared to now. We were in the midst of what people thought might be great depression 2.0. It was discussed plenty, becasue of the deficit hawks.

The amazing thing is those deficit hawks were nowhere to be found when Trump wanted to blow up the deficit with tax gifts to the wealthy and corporations. And yes, of course many democrats point out the hypocrisy, and that this is the cost of our current economy.

To say the media talks about it a lot is a joke. It's not talked about nearly to the extent it should be.
139   Onvacation   2019 May 27, 9:50am  

marcus says
The ddults were in charge back then.

It's spelled dolts and yes they were.
140   marcus   2019 May 27, 10:50am  

So predictable. Perhaps time for another Michelle is a dude meme ? Or maybe something stupid that AOC didn't even say ?
142   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 May 27, 4:24pm  

marcus says
Total BS. THere was plenty of talk about deficits. The ddults were in charge back then. Obama would have done more in the way of stimulus but for concern about deficits.


Nope.

"Now and Later" - NYT Chief Economy OpEd Writer, Paul Krugman, urging big deficit spending and screaming at Republicans to get out of the way in 2010
https://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/21/opinion/21krugman.html

"Deficits Matter Again" - NYT Chief Economy OpEd Writer, Paul Krugman, just after Trump wins.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/09/opinion/deficits-matter-again.html

Yet before Trump won, in May of 2016, when it was "Inevitable" that Hillary would win, he wrote that Deficits were unimportant and Public Spending should not only continue but expand:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/23/opinion/remembrance-of-booms-past.html

And there's plenty more examples here:
https://lara-murphy.com/krugmans-case-deficits-flip-flopped-eight-weeks/

Krugman and the Demo Talking heads are 110% Deficit Doves when the Dems are in Power. But scream bloody murder when Republicans plot a tax cut, citing Deficits.
143   marcus   2019 May 27, 5:51pm  

HonkpilledMaster says
Krugman and the Demo Talking heads are 110% Deficit Doves when the Dems are in Power


Funny, I didn't think it was democrats.

I thought it was just smart people that understood the difference between deficit spending when in recession/depression (when it's actually 100% unfuckingavoidable becasue govt spending is already set and revenues are dropping hard), versus tax cut induced deficit spending when the economy is supposedly strong for reasons other than the tax cuts.
144   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 May 27, 7:29pm  

marcus says
I thought it was just smart people that understood the difference between deficit spending when in recession/depression (when it's actually 100% unfuckingavoidable becasue govt spending is already set and revenues are dropping hard), versus tax cut induced deficit spending when the economy is supposedly strong for reasons other than the tax cuts.



If you read my post, I don't understand how you missed Krugman in mid 2016, when Hillary was considered by almost every talking head to be the inevitable occupant of the White House, preparing the ground for her Presidency by insisting the Deficits continue.

He made repeated remarks in 2016 to this effect.

Only as 2017 began, days before Trump entered the White House, did he start opining about Budget Deficits and why we can't afford a tax cut.

Links in my post above.
145   Misc   2019 May 27, 10:48pm  

Yes, we could have used more deficit spending under Obama to get the economy back up and people working again. I feel the same applies today. I don't think the economy is particularly strong, and the median household's net wealth is far below where it stood in 2007. I'm all for infrastructure spending on the credit card. The bond market seems to be clamoring for more federal spending with long term rates dropping so much recently.
146   Onvacation   2019 May 28, 7:27am  

marcus says
unfuckingavoidable becasue

There is help for that.

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