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Sorry fellas but Trump's calling off the Iran strike may be his greatest moment


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2019 Jun 21, 7:54am   6,197 views  51 comments

by Rin   ➕follow (13)   💰tip   ignore  

I'll even use CNN for this one

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/iran-us-tensions-latest-intl/index.html

Excerpt: 'President Trump is tweeting about his decision to stop an operation to strike Iran last night.

"We were cocked & loaded to retaliate last night on 3 different sights when I asked, how many will die," he tweeted. "150 people, sir, was the answer from a General. 10 minutes before the strike I stopped it, not proportionate to shooting down an unmanned drone."

Here's his full thread:

....Death to America. I terminated deal, which was not even ratified by Congress, and imposed strong sanctions. They are a much weakened nation today than at the beginning of my Presidency, when they were causing major problems throughout the Middle East. Now they are Bust!....
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 21, 2019

....proportionate to shooting down an unmanned drone. I am in no hurry, our Military is rebuilt, new, and ready to go, by far the best in the world. Sanctions are biting & more added last night. Iran can NEVER have Nuclear Weapons, not against the USA, and not against the WORLD!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 21, 2019'


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Ok, after two years in office, Trump is still not a war monger unlike all his predecessors, Republican or Democrat.

For a man who's a consummate trash talker, he's shown far more statesmanship than any President earlier. Some may even say that unlike the late John McCain, he actually learned from the Gulf of Tonkin incident & decided not to go ahead with something similar, under his watch, letting hawks like Bolton and others run the Pentagon.

Here's my alt-world, had Hillary won in 2016, my estimate is that today, there'd be an additional 1000+ dead American soldiers in the middle east due to a protracted land war in Syria, Iraq, and even Iran.

Sorry, but I can put up with a rude person. I can't put up with someone putting the boys in harm's way, just to pursue more nation building horseshit.

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1   Rin   2019 Jun 21, 7:56am  

One more time, fuck Hillary, the Bushes, and Obama. You guys all suck!
2   Shaman   2019 Jun 21, 7:58am  

Fuck yeah!
For someone whom the press is perennially calling a dummy, Trump sure does make a lot of wise decisions!

Now watch the dishonest and oligarch-owned media spin this as “Trump the Traitor!”
3   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2019 Jun 21, 8:34am  

I’m not 100% on board with this one but I do agree with President Trump that our military is rebuilt and strong. So holding off for a bit may be in our best interests. President Trump has already shown he can pull the trigger when need be, so postponing a strike in order to possibly prevent American deaths seems like a reasonable response.

It’s hugely unfortunate that President Obama and John Kerry put us in this situation in the first place. The smart response would not have been the terrible deal they made with Iran, but rather to have unleashed the Israeli’s on Iran, and destroy all their nuclear production.
4   Patrick   2019 Jun 21, 8:40am  

I'm happy the US did not start another war yet, but still suspicious that Trump will ultimately do whatever the Saudis tell him to do.
5   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2019 Jun 21, 8:48am  

Patrick says
I'm happy the US did not start another war yet, but still suspicious that Trump will ultimately do whatever the Saudis tell him to do.


You think it’s ok for the Iranians to have nukes? An Iranian nuke strike kills tens of thousands of US or our allies, most likely many more.
6   RC2006   2019 Jun 21, 8:48am  

This was one of my biggest issues with our last four President's. Hillary would already had us in multiple wars she was warhawk with Obama.
This is yet another time Trump does what he said.
7   Rin   2019 Jun 21, 8:48am  

CovfefeButDeadly says
John Kerry


Interesting to note, had he won in Ohio, as in Trump's case, he'd have lost the popular vote but won the electoral one. And as we know from the Obama-Iran deal, Kerry's no leader. And really, his lackluster reign as Senatorial wingman to Ted Kennedy in Massachusetts, was a lame ass career for a well-to-do Boston Brahmin with everything going for him in terms of parentage & wealth. In fact, his national campaign wasn't even able to highlight it because it was so useless.


CovfefeButDeadly says
I do agree with President Trump that our military is rebuilt and strong. So holding off for a bit may be in our best interests. President Trump has already shown he can pull the trigger when need be, so postponing a strike in order to possibly prevent American deaths seems like a reasonable response.


Ultimately, if war is unavoidable, then so be it, however, right now, it appears that we have an intrinsic issue of our political elite, wanting to play 'nation building' games, as if the military was a board game and not real life.

And as for the 'Gulf of Tonkin', this "drone" attack is almost reminiscent of it, whereas in that former case, it was Robert McNamara who started the Vietnam escalation, given a full green light by Johnson, just like today, it would have John Bolton to Trump.
8   Rin   2019 Jun 21, 8:51am  

CovfefeButDeadly says
Iranian nuke strike kills tens of thousands


That's your MOAB type of bomb. Nukes can easily take out a million.
9   rdm   2019 Jun 21, 8:54am  

Foreign policy by the whim of the moment. First you (Trump) pull out of a deal the Iranians were complying with, put crippling sanctions on a country of 60 million people. Why? To what end? I guess you expected love letters like with Kim? Then Iranians react, plant a few mines, shoot down a drone, and you dont know what to do because you never had a coherent policy in the first place. While Bolten and Graham and their ilk did and it was war and they are pushing you toward war because of the very predictable incidents that your actions have created. Maybe at the last minute you realized you were being played. I doubt it. More likely you could see your 2020 reelection going up in smoke. The American people don't want a war with Iran and neither do you, try to remember that dumb ass.
10   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2019 Jun 21, 9:33am  

rdm says
Foreign policy by the whim of the moment. First you (Trump) pull out of a deal the Iranians were complying with, put crippling sanctions on a country of 60 million people. Why? To what end? I guess you expected love letters like with Kim? Then Iranians react, plant a few mines, shoot down a drone, and you dont know what to do because you never had a coherent policy in the first place. While Bolten and Graham and their ilk did and it was war and they are pushing you toward war because of the very predictable incidents that your actions have created. Maybe at the last minute you realized you were being played. I doubt it. More likely you could see your 2020 reelection going up in smoke. The American people don't want a war with Iran and neither do you, try to remember that dumb ass.


A semi sober Hey You?
11   Bd6r   2019 Jun 21, 9:52am  

CovfefeButDeadly says
semi sober Hey You?

is that even possible?
12   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2019 Jun 21, 10:06am  

Rin says
That's your MOAB type of bomb. Nukes can easily take out a million.
If set of in the ME by Iran, will also affect them as well.
13   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2019 Jun 21, 10:07am  

rdm says
a deal the Iranians were complying with,
Never signed a deal.
14   fdhfoiehfeoi   2019 Jun 21, 10:12am  

Rin says
Ok, after two years in office, Trump is still not a war monger unlike all his predecessors, Republican or Democrat.


Bullshit.

* Bloated defense spending approved
* Troops still in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, and military bases around the world.

The fact that he even considered an attack when OUR drone got shot down for being in close proximity to their country is as imperialist as you get. We have actively engaged in destabilizing Iran multiple times going back to the Shah, caused chaos in countries bordering Iran, and recently attempted a false flag against them in the Gulf.

The MIC is alive and well under the Trump regime.
15   fdhfoiehfeoi   2019 Jun 21, 10:14am  

I guarantee this "restraint" will be used as leverage to justify an attack on Iran in the near future. They're trying to prevent us from protesting a'la 1960's, don't fall for it.
16   RWSGFY   2019 Jun 21, 10:15am  

NuttBoxer says
OUR drone got shot down for being in close proximity to their country


Since when the fuck being in close proximity to someones border is a valid reason to shoot down a military aircraft?
17   RWSGFY   2019 Jun 21, 10:18am  

Full-out strike for just a drone is not a right answer, but something of similar value needs to be destroyed. A corvette, an oil platform, 5-6 torpedo boats, this kind of thing.
18   fdhfoiehfeoi   2019 Jun 21, 10:27am  

Hugolas_Madurez says
Since when the fuck being in close proximity to someones border is a valid reason to shoot down a military aircraft?


So you'd have no problem with Russia or Iran constantly flying drones around our borders? Or how 'bout setting up 20 some military bases along the Mexican and Canadian borders? Then they impose sanctions on us. Then they attack Mexico, throwing a border country into chaos, and really upping the illegal migration? And say they are doing all this less than 100 years after deposing one of our presidents through covert ops. Still feeling like it was unprovoked?

I guess Pearl Harbor was just totally random too huh?
19   Heraclitusstudent   2019 Jun 21, 10:33am  

The problem with the guy is not that he's rude, but he is neither acting out of principles, nor out of pragmatism. He's acting based on impulses. The guy is flying by the seat of his pants.
You may feel it went the right way this time, but remember, he did bomb Syria, for somewhat vacuous reasons, maybe just to do the opposite of Obama did in a similar situation.
20   RWSGFY   2019 Jun 21, 10:34am  

NuttBoxer says
So you'd have no problem with Russia or Iran constantly flying drones around our borders?


They (Russian fucks that is) fly fucking strategic bombers around our borders but it's still legal by international law.
21   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2019 Jun 21, 10:38am  

Heraclitusstudent says
maybe just to do the opposite of Obama did in a similar situation.


It’s not like you can go wrong with that strategy.
22   clambo   2019 Jun 21, 10:39am  

A drone shot down is annoying; killing 150+ as a response is an act of war.

We aren’t at war with Iran, so it’s good that Trump showed restraint.
23   Ceffer   2019 Jun 21, 10:40am  

Trump just doesn't want to admit that the drones are still programmed with IHLlary's fingerprint.
24   fdhfoiehfeoi   2019 Jun 21, 11:19am  

OccasionalCortex says
So the context of bringing up Pearl Harbor is not a good one to use as an analogy here.


I guess you aren't aware of the US led economic sanctions on Japan that directly preceded Pearl Harbor...
25   fdhfoiehfeoi   2019 Jun 21, 11:21am  

Hugolas_Madurez says
They (Russian fucks that is) fly fucking strategic bombers around our borders but it's still legal by international law.


Fuck international law. If a country is making overt overtones of wanting to attack American soil, I say we fuck up anything that gets too close.

Has anyone confirmed that the drone was not in Iran airspace, or making actions like it was about to fire into Iran?
26   Heraclitusstudent   2019 Jun 21, 11:21am  

clambo says
A drone shot down is annoying; killing 150+ as a response is an act of war.

We aren’t at war with Iran, so it’s good that Trump showed restraint.


So why did he get within 10 min of starting a war?
All impulses. First: "I'll show them", then at the last moment "Ok, maybe not, call it off.".
27   fdhfoiehfeoi   2019 Jun 21, 11:25am  

"Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif announced late Thursday that parts of the drone had been recovered in Iranian territorial waters, as Tehran moved to bring the incident before the United Nations.

"We don't seek war, but will zealously defend our skies, land & waters," Zarif said."

Whom to believe...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/iran-says-will-take-drone-incident-to-un-to-show-us-lying/ar-AADaTvX
28   Heraclitusstudent   2019 Jun 21, 11:30am  

What fun would it be to fly drones over international waters?
29   RC2006   2019 Jun 21, 12:06pm  

Several of you guys are in the right even though you are disagreeing. Trump did the right thing and we need to get out of middle east and leave these people to run things the way they want. We have all the oil we need so why are we still over there, what country or group is trying to keep us involved in this shit hole part of the world?
30   socal2   2019 Jun 21, 12:20pm  

NuttBoxer says
I guess you aren't aware of the US led economic sanctions on Japan that directly preceded Pearl Harbor...


Do you think the US sanctioned Japan just for shits and giggles?

Are you aware that Japan invaded Manchuria, China and Indochina and formally made alliance with Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy before the US issued sanctions?

Are you aware of the total brutality the Japanese inflicted upon the people they conquered?

Seriously, are you suggesting that Japan is some sort of victim here and the US was the aggressor?
31   Rin   2019 Jun 21, 12:50pm  

NuttBoxer says
Rin says
Ok, after two years in office, Trump is still not a war monger unlike all his predecessors, Republican or Democrat.


Bullshit.

* Bloated defense spending approved
* Troops still in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, and military bases around the world.

The fact that he even considered an attack when OUR drone got shot down for being in close proximity to their country is as imperialist as you get. We have actively engaged in destabilizing Iran multiple times going back to the Shah, caused chaos in countries bordering Iran, and recently attempted a false flag against them in the Gulf.

The MIC is alive and well under the Trump regime.


I'm calling BS on this because for the most part, since the height of the Cold War (see Korea), the Pentagon has been running things.

And thus, the best that anyone in Congress or the Presidency can do, is to contain it, before it erupts into WWIII.

So yes, NO PRESIDENT will go cold turkey on the military-industrial complex but instead, will find a way of containing it. At the moment, Trump has done a far better job here than any of his predecessors.
32   Patrick   2019 Jun 21, 5:24pm  

CovfefeButDeadly says
Patrick says
I'm happy the US did not start another war yet, but still suspicious that Trump will ultimately do whatever the Saudis tell him to do.


You think it’s ok for the Iranians to have nukes? An Iranian nuke strike kills tens of thousands of US or our allies, most likely many more.


No, I didn't say that, only that Saudi Arabia is by far the greater threat to American lives.

They killed thousands of us on 9/11, and got away with it because all of our politicians are in their pockets.

They can easily get nukes from Pakistan, and they would have absolutely no moral restraint in using them to kill far more of us than they did on 9/11.
33   rdm   2019 Jun 21, 5:28pm  

Rin says
NO PRESIDENT will go cold turkey on the military-industrial complex but instead, will find a way of containing it. At the moment, Trump has done a far better job here than any of his predecessors.


It seems we aren't talking about cold turkey, nor even luke warm turkey. The MIC, under Trump, is having a full blown Thanksgiving dinner at the Ritz. BTW how's that swamp draining going?

"Since coming into office a little more than a year ago, the Trump administration—with help from the Republican-controlled Congress—has added more than $200 billion to the projected levels of defense spending for fiscal years 2017 through 2019. Shortly after taking office, President Donald Trump added $15 billion to former President Barack Obama’s FY 2017 budget, and he proposed a FY 2018 budget of $639 billion. This represented an increase of $56 billion, or 10 percent, over the proposed FY 2017 budget.

As part of the recent deal to keep the government open, Congress agreed to increase the FY 2018 defense budget to $700 billion—an increase of $108 billion, or 18 percent, above the proposed 2017 budget—and the FY 2019 budget to $716 billion. This means that since Trump took office, the defense budget will have grown by $133 billion, or 23 percent.

It will also bring the FY 2019 defense budget, in real terms, to a level not seen since FY 2010, when the United States still had more than 200,000 troops deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan and was spending $163 billion on the wars. These massive increases are for the most part unnecessary and counterproductive. Moreover, the Trump administration’s policy of significantly increasing defense spending while enacting massive tax cuts and reductions to other federal programs that contribute to national security will actually undermine this country’s security in the end."
34   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2019 Jun 21, 5:30pm  

Missed news for a few days, didn't know there was all this drama with Iran. I guess it passed.
35   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Jun 21, 11:25pm  

Heraclitusstudent says
The problem with the guy is not that he's rude, but he is neither acting out of principles, nor out of pragmatism. He's acting based on impulses. The guy is flying by the seat of his pants.


You still believe he survives 365-24-7 x4 all out attacks by the World Media, the Deep State, etc. and simply is a Happy Amateur? No chance.

But I'm glad the Press & Status Quo Admin still think so. Shows you how incompetent their analysis is, too.
36   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Jun 21, 11:27pm  

NuttBoxer says
I guess you aren't aware of the US led economic sanctions on Japan that directly preceded Pearl Harbor...


After they invaded China on bullshit pretexts, endangering our interests and dramatically altering the balance of power in the Pacific.
37   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Jun 21, 11:28pm  

OccasionalCortex says

1) Show me the written 'deal' with their signature on it. Good luck with that as there was never any such thing.

2) They weren't even complying with the imaginary deal you keep insisting that was real, anyway.


And the 10,000 pages of docs, including their memos about how they were going to begin enrichment the moment the few months of inspections stopped. And after they pocketed their Obamacash.
38   Rin   2019 Jun 22, 3:45am  

rdm says
These massive increases are for the most part unnecessary and counterproductive. Moreover, the Trump administration’s policy of significantly increasing defense spending


Actually, that's exactly how one operates the Pentagon, give 'em cash but don't let 'em create wars on their own. Otherwise, chances are, one will end up like JFK.

When Vietnam was in the quagmire, see Johnson-McNamara-Westmoreland era, Nixon inherited the whole thing but then, ordered attacks on the Ho Chi Minh trail in Cambodia/Laos (which was done clandestinely earlier & no one mentions that), strategic bombings in the North, thus making the Paris Peace Accord happen by '72.

And no, there was no "Vietnamization" during Westmoreland's time, as the US didn't equip the South Vietnamese to fight on their own earlier so yes, it took those extra 3 years to finish the war.

The primary reason why Saigon fell in spring of '75 was that Congress stopped resupplying the South Vietnamese army once the entire US army was already out of there by '74. Without an industry of their own, the opponent, the North side, was able to re-arm thanks to Chinese support and we know the rest of the story.
40   fdhfoiehfeoi   2019 Jun 22, 7:35am  

socal2 says
Are you aware that Japan invaded Manchuria, China and Indochina and formally made alliance with Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy before the US issued sanctions?

Are you aware of the total brutality the Japanese inflicted upon the people they conquered?

Seriously, are you suggesting that Japan is some sort of victim here and the US was the aggressor?


What the fuck does any of that have to do with us? Ohh, we're imperialists, I forgot. The US needed an excuse to enter the war and Hitler didn't take the bait when we sunk his subs. This was plan B. Pearl Harbor was premeditated murder, by the US.

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