patrick.net
An Antidote to Corporate Media
1,264,733 comments by 15,117 users - Baloo, Ceffer, gabbar, HANrongli, TheDonald online now
Joe Biden's son's corrupt dealings with Ukraine exposed
invite response
2019 Sep 22, 2:55pm 4,210 views 109 comments
« First « Previous Comments 63 - 102 of 109 Next » Last » Search these comments
63
RC2006
2019 Sep 26, 9:03am
RC2006
2019 Sep 26, 9:03am
WookieMan says
True but we know dems are just looking for anything to throw in the news cycle they have nothing and no other way to beat Trump in 2020. Biden is finished this is all just drama now and I think the SJW far left that is taking over didn't want him to run anyways so they see it as a win win. I guess now its illegal for a sitting president to ever ask questions about past administrations wrongs.
Quick question as I listen to some of this. How is this election interference? What election? Biden is part of the Democratic primaries. It's a political party. This is no different than selecting a president of your local Lions club who may happen to run for President of the country. Why does the intelligence community have any say over this? What is illegal here?
Until Biden is on an actual ballot, for President (NOT a primary) how has any law been violated by what was discussed in the phone call? Maybe I'm missing something someone can point out. This doesn't make sense. The Lions Club could become a political party tomorrow, but their primary process has NOTHING to do with our election of a president in theory.
True but we know dems are just looking for anything to throw in the news cycle they have nothing and no other way to beat Trump in 2020. Biden is finished this is all just drama now and I think the SJW far left that is taking over didn't want him to run anyways so they see it as a win win. I guess now its illegal for a sitting president to ever ask questions about past administrations wrongs.
64
rdm
2019 Sep 26, 10:47am
WookieMan says
Haha, the democratic primary's are like a lions club election. How many delegates does the head lion get for winning in Topeka?
Biden is running for President of the USA. To get there he participates in his party nomination process. Trump was either trying to derail his nomination or get dirt for 2020 or both as he thought Biden was both the most likely and most threatening candidate based on all the fake polls which he apparently believed. He was trying to enlist Ukrainian help to fuck up Biden's chances. It's not complicted. It's stupid but not complicated.
This is no different than selecting a president of your local Lions club
Haha, the democratic primary's are like a lions club election. How many delegates does the head lion get for winning in Topeka?
Biden is running for President of the USA. To get there he participates in his party nomination process. Trump was either trying to derail his nomination or get dirt for 2020 or both as he thought Biden was both the most likely and most threatening candidate based on all the fake polls which he apparently believed. He was trying to enlist Ukrainian help to fuck up Biden's chances. It's not complicted. It's stupid but not complicated.
65
RWSGFY
2019 Sep 26, 10:53am
RWSGFY
2019 Sep 26, 10:53am
rdm says
So he is. Question: does announcing that one is running for POTUS give him/her immunity from any investigation of his/her and/or his/her family members alleged wrongdoings?
Biden is running for President of the USA.
So he is. Question: does announcing that one is running for POTUS give him/her immunity from any investigation of his/her and/or his/her family members alleged wrongdoings?
66
rdm
2019 Sep 26, 11:36am
Iranian_Oil_Burse says
Of course not but if there was a crime under the foreign corrupt practices act don't you think Barr, Trumps butt licker, would have been all over it? In fact if there was an Investigation started by the Justice, Trump would look a some better. Still very bad but better. So from my point of view there is likely nothing criminal that Hunter did. It is unseemly but not illegal to get huge salary while doing pretty much nothing. Happens on corporate boards everywhere.
does announcing that one is running for POTUS give him/her immunity from any investigation of his/her and/or his/her family members alleged wrongdoings
Of course not but if there was a crime under the foreign corrupt practices act don't you think Barr, Trumps butt licker, would have been all over it? In fact if there was an Investigation started by the Justice, Trump would look a some better. Still very bad but better. So from my point of view there is likely nothing criminal that Hunter did. It is unseemly but not illegal to get huge salary while doing pretty much nothing. Happens on corporate boards everywhere.
69
zzyzzx
2019 Sep 26, 12:42pm
zzyzzx
2019 Sep 26, 12:42pm
https://nypost.com/2017/06/09/joe-bidens-niece-dodges-jail-after-100k-credit-card-scam/
Joe Biden’s niece dodges jail after $100K credit card scam
Joe Biden’s niece dodges jail after $100K credit card scam
71
WookieMan
2019 Sep 26, 1:19pm
WookieMan
2019 Sep 26, 1:19pm
rdm says
No he is not. He's running for a party nomination to then run for President. Don't put the cart before the horse. Biden is not on any November 2020 ballot in ANY state in this country. Trump has interfered with ZERO elections regarding this.
Local governments just cooperate with the parties to put them on the ballot so they have an organized way to see who is top dog. Which is then fucked up by super delegates. What law was broken? This has nothing to do with electing the president of the United States. It has to do with who wins a primary for the club called the Democrats and in many year includes the club of Republicans. The federal government has no jurisdiction in this and not one democrat is in the pure sense of the term, running for President. We gonna start saying there was election interference for the Lions Club President, cause that what this is.
This is fucking hysterical. It's almost getting so hysterical it's not even funny. If Biden was not guilty why all the butt hurt over this? It's a distraction. Plain and simple, and no law was violated. I hold an elected office. If I question that Joe Biden hooked his son up and then tried to protect that fact by asking someone else, should I lose my position? Think about it. You're defending an indefensible position.
Biden is running for President of the USA.
No he is not. He's running for a party nomination to then run for President. Don't put the cart before the horse. Biden is not on any November 2020 ballot in ANY state in this country. Trump has interfered with ZERO elections regarding this.
Local governments just cooperate with the parties to put them on the ballot so they have an organized way to see who is top dog. Which is then fucked up by super delegates. What law was broken? This has nothing to do with electing the president of the United States. It has to do with who wins a primary for the club called the Democrats and in many year includes the club of Republicans. The federal government has no jurisdiction in this and not one democrat is in the pure sense of the term, running for President. We gonna start saying there was election interference for the Lions Club President, cause that what this is.
This is fucking hysterical. It's almost getting so hysterical it's not even funny. If Biden was not guilty why all the butt hurt over this? It's a distraction. Plain and simple, and no law was violated. I hold an elected office. If I question that Joe Biden hooked his son up and then tried to protect that fact by asking someone else, should I lose my position? Think about it. You're defending an indefensible position.
72
Onvacation
2019 Sep 26, 1:19pm
Onvacation
2019 Sep 26, 1:19pm
rdm says
So why is it a constitutional crisis when some foreigner stays at Maralago?
It is unseemly but not illegal to get huge salary while doing pretty much nothing. Happens on corporate boards everywhere.
So why is it a constitutional crisis when some foreigner stays at Maralago?
73
MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Sep 26, 1:35pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Sep 26, 1:35pm
WookieMan says
Wookie, the allegation is that Biden threatened to block US Taxpayer-Government Aid to Ukraine unless the Poroshenko Government fired Viktor Shokin, who was investigating Bursima and their hiring of multiple foreign individuals on their board, paying them outrageous sums (esp. for Ukraine: $80k/month). With no quid pro quo from Trump, the transcripts show that Trump asked Ukraine to determine why the prosecutor was fired. Shokin's firing - he was seen to be a powerful anti-corruption activist - occurred within hours of Biden's alleged demand to the Ukrainian government.
Biden bragging about it is on video from a CFR speech he gave in January of 2018.
The Democrats want the public to think that asking a President to describe why an investigation into a potential criminal act by a US official was cancelled, is worse than the Public Official threatening a foreign government with Congressionally-approved aid being withheld until a criminal investigation into his son is called off.
The MSM is attempting to claim that Trump's request is some how foreign interference in a US Election. More laughable, given that if what Trump is doing was wrong, why wasn't the Obama Admin wrong for using foreign-sourced slander, the Steele Dossier, to get a FISA warrant into officials within the 2016 Trump Election Campaign AFTER he won the primary and was on the ballot in all 50 states.
It's really nothing short of ridiculous.
This is fucking hysterical. It's almost getting so hysterical it's not even funny. If Biden was not guilty why all the butt hurt over this? It's a distraction. Plain and simple, and no law was violated. I hold an elected office. If I question that Joe Biden hooked his son up and then tried to protect that fact by asking someone else, should I lose my position? Think about it. You're defending an indefensible position.
Wookie, the allegation is that Biden threatened to block US Taxpayer-Government Aid to Ukraine unless the Poroshenko Government fired Viktor Shokin, who was investigating Bursima and their hiring of multiple foreign individuals on their board, paying them outrageous sums (esp. for Ukraine: $80k/month). With no quid pro quo from Trump, the transcripts show that Trump asked Ukraine to determine why the prosecutor was fired. Shokin's firing - he was seen to be a powerful anti-corruption activist - occurred within hours of Biden's alleged demand to the Ukrainian government.
Biden bragging about it is on video from a CFR speech he gave in January of 2018.
The Democrats want the public to think that asking a President to describe why an investigation into a potential criminal act by a US official was cancelled, is worse than the Public Official threatening a foreign government with Congressionally-approved aid being withheld until a criminal investigation into his son is called off.
The MSM is attempting to claim that Trump's request is some how foreign interference in a US Election. More laughable, given that if what Trump is doing was wrong, why wasn't the Obama Admin wrong for using foreign-sourced slander, the Steele Dossier, to get a FISA warrant into officials within the 2016 Trump Election Campaign AFTER he won the primary and was on the ballot in all 50 states.
It's really nothing short of ridiculous.
74
Onvacation
2019 Sep 26, 1:40pm
Onvacation
2019 Sep 26, 1:40pm
jazz_music says
Obama should give his Nobel prize back.
no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.”
Obama should give his Nobel prize back.
75
MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Sep 26, 1:44pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Sep 26, 1:44pm
Onvacation says
Yep. No present, emolument, Office, or Title given to Trump by Ukraine, with or without Congressional Consent. So why Jazz is quoting this is a mystery.
It's just more:
"We got him now!!!!!"
"For What?"
"Uh, uh, uh...."
Obama should give his Nobel prize back.
Yep. No present, emolument, Office, or Title given to Trump by Ukraine, with or without Congressional Consent. So why Jazz is quoting this is a mystery.
It's just more:
"We got him now!!!!!"
"For What?"
"Uh, uh, uh...."
77
Onvacation
2019 Sep 26, 1:47pm
Onvacation
2019 Sep 26, 1:47pm
CornPoptheOriginalGangster says
Yeah. What is the high crime or misdemeanor people want Trump impeached for?
"For What?"
Yeah. What is the high crime or misdemeanor people want Trump impeached for?
78
Onvacation
2019 Sep 26, 1:55pm
Onvacation
2019 Sep 26, 1:55pm
"Any profits arising from guests staying at Trump's properties arises, one would think, not from the fact that he has held the office of the presidency for three years but from the rather longer standing one that he owns luxury hotels. (Bill Clinton on the other hand was somewhat newer to the hospitality business when he allowed his most generous financial supporters to rent out the Lincoln Bedroom.) The argument is risible on its face."
79
MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Sep 26, 1:58pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Sep 26, 1:58pm
Here is the Biden Video, from Left Wing Activist "Secular Talk", hours after he bragged to the CFR audience about having the Ukrainian Prosecutor fired using threats of US Aid Withholding.
www.youtube.com/embed/rtO1OigwfVs
"We're leaving within six hours and if the prosecutor isn't fired, you're not getting the money."
Total Quid Pro Quo. And guess what happened?
Again, this is from Biden's own mouth and presented by anti-Trump Leftist Secular Talk.
www.youtube.com/embed/rtO1OigwfVs
"We're leaving within six hours and if the prosecutor isn't fired, you're not getting the money."
Total Quid Pro Quo. And guess what happened?
Again, this is from Biden's own mouth and presented by anti-Trump Leftist Secular Talk.
80
RWSGFY
2019 Sep 26, 2:01pm
RWSGFY
2019 Sep 26, 2:01pm
CornPoptheOriginalGangster says
Transcript:
"I’ll give you one concrete example. I was—not I, but it just happened to be that was the assignment I got. I got all the good ones. And so I got Ukraine. And I remember going over, convincing our team, our leaders to—convincing that we should be providing for loan guarantees. And I went over, I guess, the 12th, 13th time to Kiev. And I was supposed to announce that there was another billion-dollar loan guarantee. And I had gotten a commitment from Poroshenko and from Yatsenyuk that they would take action against the state prosecutor. And they didn’t.
So they said they had—they were walking out to a press conference. I said, nah, I’m not going to—or, we’re not going to give you the billion dollars. They said, you have no authority. You’re not the president. The president said—I said, call him. (Laughter.) I said, I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars. I said, you’re not getting the billion. I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a bitch. (Laughter.) He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time."
https://www.cfr.org/event/foreign-affairs-issue-launch-former-vice-president-joe-biden
Here is the Biden Video, from Left Wing Activist "Secular Talk", hours after he bragged to the CFR audience about having the Ukrainian Prosecutor fired using threats of US Aid Withholding.
www.youtube.com/embed/rtO1OigwfVs
"We're leaving within six hours and if the prosecutor isn't fired, you're not getting the money."
Total Quid Pro Quo. And guess what happened?
Again, this is from Biden's own mouth and presented by anti-Trump Leftist Secular Talk.
Transcript:
"I’ll give you one concrete example. I was—not I, but it just happened to be that was the assignment I got. I got all the good ones. And so I got Ukraine. And I remember going over, convincing our team, our leaders to—convincing that we should be providing for loan guarantees. And I went over, I guess, the 12th, 13th time to Kiev. And I was supposed to announce that there was another billion-dollar loan guarantee. And I had gotten a commitment from Poroshenko and from Yatsenyuk that they would take action against the state prosecutor. And they didn’t.
So they said they had—they were walking out to a press conference. I said, nah, I’m not going to—or, we’re not going to give you the billion dollars. They said, you have no authority. You’re not the president. The president said—I said, call him. (Laughter.) I said, I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars. I said, you’re not getting the billion. I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a bitch. (Laughter.) He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time."
https://www.cfr.org/event/foreign-affairs-issue-launch-former-vice-president-joe-biden
81
MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Sep 26, 2:12pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Sep 26, 2:12pm
There's another problem for Democrats:
Was Biden Bluffing or did Obama give him permission to threaten Ukraine with aid cutoff if they didn't fire the prosecutor to get their CONGRESSIONAL approved US Aid?
Was Biden Bluffing or did Obama give him permission to threaten Ukraine with aid cutoff if they didn't fire the prosecutor to get their CONGRESSIONAL approved US Aid?
82
mell
2019 Sep 26, 2:15pm
But centrist donors threaten to pause on Warren which will likely giving Trump a win, so they better revive Uncle Joe.
84
MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Sep 26, 3:42pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Sep 26, 3:42pm
jazz_music says
Yep, I know what it means.
An emolument is what Hunter Biden got from Bursima to the tune of $80k/month.
There is literally no reference to salaries or any other compensation for either President for any favors done in the entire Phone Call Transcript.
Try looking up the word "emolument."
Yep, I know what it means.
An emolument is what Hunter Biden got from Bursima to the tune of $80k/month.
There is literally no reference to salaries or any other compensation for either President for any favors done in the entire Phone Call Transcript.
85
Bd6r
2019 Sep 26, 4:37pm
Bd6r
2019 Sep 26, 4:37pm
CornPoptheOriginalGangster says
As much as I dislike all this circus of IMPARTIAL! MEDIA! blaming Trump for Biden's son's corruption, I very, very strongly doubt that Obama had anything to do with it because the whole payoff setup is so petty and stupid that only a senile imbecile would go through with it, and Obama is not THE senile imbecile.
did Obama give him permission to threaten Ukraine with aid cutoff
As much as I dislike all this circus of IMPARTIAL! MEDIA! blaming Trump for Biden's son's corruption, I very, very strongly doubt that Obama had anything to do with it because the whole payoff setup is so petty and stupid that only a senile imbecile would go through with it, and Obama is not THE senile imbecile.
86
MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Sep 26, 5:15pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Sep 26, 5:15pm
It swings both ways 6rdB.
If Obama didn't give him permission, then Biden was lying to Porky, and he's out there by himself. Obama's endorsement (which is mysteriously not happening, maybe this is why) can be forgotten about. No more wrapping himself in Obama's Admin, which is a huge incentive for Dems to vote for him.
If Obama did give him permission, then the circus has just begun!
Either way, big win!
If Obama didn't give him permission, then Biden was lying to Porky, and he's out there by himself. Obama's endorsement (which is mysteriously not happening, maybe this is why) can be forgotten about. No more wrapping himself in Obama's Admin, which is a huge incentive for Dems to vote for him.
If Obama did give him permission, then the circus has just begun!
Either way, big win!
88
Booger
2019 Sep 27, 4:43am
Booger
2019 Sep 27, 4:43am
Wherever Joe Biden went, son Hunter cashed in
https://nypost.com/2019/09/26/wherever-joe-biden-went-son-hunter-cashed-in/
https://nypost.com/2019/09/26/wherever-joe-biden-went-son-hunter-cashed-in/
89
BayArea
2019 Sep 27, 5:39am
BayArea
2019 Sep 27, 5:39am
With all that credibility that the democrats have built over the last three years, trump is in real trouble this time.
90
Misc
2019 Sep 27, 7:36am
Tim Aurora says
Running for office does not make Joe Biden and/or his son above the law. You seem to want to impeach Trump for exposing the Bidens.
Misc saysAs YOUR president, Trump is in fact the head of our investigative agencies. He can launch investigations as he wishes. Thus, your logic falls apart.
Not to investigate his political rivals with a foreign government. BTW, you just invoked defense #2
http://patrick.net/post/1327444/2019-09-23-trump-defense-team-rule-book
Running for office does not make Joe Biden and/or his son above the law. You seem to want to impeach Trump for exposing the Bidens.
96
Patrick
2019 Sep 27, 8:16pm
Patrick
2019 Sep 27, 8:16pm
https://freebeacon.com/politics/hunter-bidens-china-deal-partners-include-mobster-whitey-bulgers-nephew-john-kerrys-stepson/
Former vice president Joe Biden's son Hunter Biden partnered with infamous mobster Whitey Bulger's nephew and former secretary of state John Kerry's stepson for his lucrative business deal with the Bank of China, according to reporter Peter Schweizer's latest book.
Schweizer points to the business deal with state-owned Bank of China, a $1.5 billion private equity investment, as a possible reason why the current presidential candidate has adopted a conciliatory attitude toward China. The lucrative deal between the Bank of China and Hunter Biden's company was inked in 2013 just weeks after Joe Biden brought his son along on an official trip to China.
97
Onvacation
2019 Sep 28, 9:07am
Onvacation
2019 Sep 28, 9:07am
jazz_music says
What do you suppose the Ukrainians paid Hunter Biden $80,000 per month for?
This is where the cognitive dissonance comes in. I don't expect a cogent answer.
Neither Hunter Biden nor Joe Biden were ever the subject of any Ukrainian investigation of corruption.
What do you suppose the Ukrainians paid Hunter Biden $80,000 per month for?
This is where the cognitive dissonance comes in. I don't expect a cogent answer.
98
Onvacation
2019 Sep 28, 9:09am
Onvacation
2019 Sep 28, 9:09am
jazz_music says
Oh yeah! How did the Clintons make hundreds of millions of dollars while in "public service"?
Benghazi
Oh yeah! How did the Clintons make hundreds of millions of dollars while in "public service"?
100
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2019 Sep 28, 1:30pm
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2019 Sep 28, 1:30pm
jazz_music says
Why does this matter?
Neither Hunter Biden nor Joe Biden were ever the subject of any Ukrainian investigation of corruption.
Creepy that there are low lifes who want to prestend that Joe Biden or Hunter Biden were under investigation
BECAUSE TEHIR LOVE FOR TRUMP IS SO ALL-CONSUMING
Why does this matter?
101
MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Sep 28, 1:35pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Sep 28, 1:35pm
Wrong. Shorkin was investigating Hunter burn and bursima.
And Biden bragged about stopping it at the CFR.
But the real show is gonna be Porky's role in 2016
And Biden bragged about stopping it at the CFR.
But the real show is gonna be Porky's role in 2016
« First « Previous Comments 63 - 102 of 109 Next » Last » Search these comments
Even the extremely biased NY Times has to admit that Hunter Biden was unethical:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/20/us/politics/trump-whistle-blower-ukraine.html
It was right of Trump to call for investigation of Hunter Biden. He should also figure out who in his administration is spying on him for the benefit of corrupt Democrats.