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BOMBSHELL!

Everyone that was listening to Trump knows he said he doesn't want our money. And anyone with a pulse following politics, knows that the hottest person in the party. Is supporting Mitt Romney and Mich McConnel's reelection bids.

We just laugh at those texts. The message is, Trump is circumventing Twitter and Facebook to reach his 11 million SMS subscribers to deliver his message, thinly veiled as a fund raiser. All while get this, the RNC is paying for it. Do you think the RNC or the Mobile carriers would let Trump SMS message his followers, without trying to shut him down?

No they wouldn't snap out of it. Trump is smarter than them, better looking than them, he can out think them, he can out fight them, and out fuck them.

"Councilor! Come out out where ever you are!" Oh and Fuck Bobby Dinero Trump can out everything that Mother Fucker even out "Cape Fear" him.

LOL...

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Not a sex offender.
Didn't fly to pedo island 26 times.
Didn't lie under oath.
Didn't obstruct justice.
Isn't still loved and cherished by dems and associated ppl in this thread.

jazz_music says

Democrats have proven that they have no problem ignoring the will of the American people.

At least they have the latest greatest iPhone and their working on their obesity.

Patrick says

www.youtube.com/embed/bbixdV2F6Ts

Tim Aurora says

And PolitiFact reported it found no evidence to "support the idea that Joe Biden advocated with his son's interests in mind."

Did politifact find any evidence that Trump was trying to influence the election by asking Ukraine to look into criminal activities?

Between Biden bragging to the CFR and Shonkins sworn affadavit, it's time for an investigation.

In science at least, the simplest explanation is assumed to be correct provided that facts are not against. In this case, the simplest explanation for Biden Jr being paid 80K a month despite having no qualifications for the job is that he is US vice president's son. We can not know if Biden Sr did anything inappropriate other than not policing his offspring, but as a minimum we have an obvious conflict of interest here, which should have been taken into account by an extremely high-ranking US official.

And please remember that this happened in UKRAINE which after Russia is the most corrupt country in visible Universe. Any business there will involve kickbacks, bribes, and official corruption if not outright violent crimes. Hence, for close relatives of US! OFFICIALS! to do business there is stupid as fuck.

Sure, foreign governments always give out US vps kids insane money just because they are good guys, nothing in exchange.

Teapot dome scandal, but Democrats want to deny reality.

There is No conspiracy theory.
Fat facts:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-gas-tycoon-and-the-vice-presidents-son-the-story-of-hunter-bidens-foray-into-ukraine/ar-AAHZFB6?ocid=spartandhp#image=AAHZFB6_1|9

Tim Aurora says

But there's little evidence he acted to help his son

$50K/month for no work is little evidence?
Biden's own words is no evidence???

Obligatory:
http://www.patrick.net/post/1318444/2018-08-24-how-come-liberals-lack-critical-thinking-skills
http://www.patrick.net/post/1327421/2019-09-22-joe-biden-s-son-s-corrupt-dealings-with-ukraine-exposed

Rudy has the Receipts. Watch George Stephanapolous try to blow off a sworn affidavit.

Rudy makes the point that Shonkin is so corrupt, he's broke; but the prosecutor who replaced him is driving around in a Bentley, despite a Ukranian Salary about half that of the median US Income.

Rudy Giuliani brought receipts. pic.twitter.com/METg8eiWHb— Trump War Room (@TrumpWarRoom) September 29, 2019

jazz_music says

... and it is 5 years old so WTF???

Within the statute of limitations. The Senate should open an ethics investigation at the minimum. We need transparency and hearings!

I think a two year investigation for $30M into Biden is fair play here.

jazz_music says

Tim Aurora says

Biden's son issue is just a conspiracy theory

... and it is 5 years old so WTF???

Yee, and we are racist.

Sorry, the son of an American politician on the board of an Eastern European oil/gas company? You know, because some random foreigner that has absolutely zero experience running an oil/gas company is the perfect board choice, this is so purely coincidental there’s nothing to see there. No quid pro quo, etc.

Oh, and let’s pay him $50,000 a month for it. $50,000 a month. The average monthly wage in Ukraine is $300. So let’s pay him 166 times the average wage for the population. Suppose that’s fair, you know, given that he’s taking all the time and effort of lending his vast energy experience to this small foreign company. I’m sure it will turn up that he spent minimal time actually conducting board business, meaning he was probably paid in excess of ten thousand dollars an hour. Eh, who are we kidding, they conduct board business in Ukranian, not English, so it’s probably fair to say he didn’t do anything for the $600,000 annual salary they paid him.

theoakman says

Sorry, the son of an American politician on the board of an Eastern European oil/gas company?

I think that's called "the CIA."

Biden Campaign Urges TV Networks to Stop Booking Giuliani

Advisers to the former vice president wrote to executives at ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and Fox News to “demand” that Mr. Giuliani not be invited on the air to discuss Ukraine and President Trump.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/29/us/politics/joe-biden-rudy-giuliani.html

I wonder why?

www.youtube.com/embed/g3O2Ss0t31k

marcus says

Right, Chinese Companies and Ukrainian Natural Gas Mafiosos just hand over $1.5B in investments and $50k/month salaries (in countries where the monthly wage is $300) to the cocaine-addled, inexperienced sons of current Vice Presidents for their expertise and wisdom.

marcus says

And...…. all of them get paid $600K per year to attend meeting twice per year in foreign language!

"Tweet Tweet" ZOOOM

CornPoptheOriginalGangster says

Right, Chinese Companies and Ukrainian Natural Gas Mafiosos just hand over $1.5B in investments and $50k/month salaries (in countries where the monthly wage is $300) to the cocaine-addled, inexperienced sons of current Vice Presidents for their expertise and wisdom.

REpro says

And...…. all of them get paid $600K per year to attend meeting twice per year in foreign language!

You people really are in the panic mode. Nobody said it's the same. It's just ironic that nepotism in so icredibly rampant in the current White House. Far more than anything we've ever seen. Most of these are situations where they were directly hired by their relative in a position of power in federal government.

Where as we don't know that Biden did anything wrong here other than being vice President, and also possibly not forbidding his son from taking that job, if indeed he didn't.

marcus says

You people really are in the panic mode. Nobody said it's the same. It's just ironic that nepotism in so icredibly rampant in the current White House. Far more than anything we've ever seen. Most of these are situations where they were directly hired by their relative in a position of power in federal government.

I'm laughing my ass off.

Ukraine isn't paying Don Junior $50k/month in a NatGas business he has no experience in.
China isn't investing $1.5B in one of Eric Trump's Investment Funds.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

6rdB says

In science at least, the simplest explanation is assumed to be correct provided that facts are not against. In this case, the simplest explanation for Biden Jr being paid 80K a month despite having no qualifications for the job is that he is US vice president's son. We can not know if Biden Sr did anything inappropriate other than not policing his offspring, but as a minimum we have an obvious conflict of interest here, which should have been taken into account by an extremely high-ranking US official.

Right. Why did Kuwait give Harken the offshore leases after Gulf War I? George W was on the board. George W wasn't on ARCO's board. News, certainly, in places like Chemical Week and the Washington Post, but not treason of the type committed by Trump threatening to leave Ukraine undefended from Russian tanks.

There is zero evidence for treason in Trump's phone calls. The whole leftoid screeching also hinges on the assumption that Russia is still a major US enemy like it was during the cold War before it collapsed. It's so fucking disingenuous that the leftoids screech every time iran is strong armed, or China w/ the tarriffs, and they demand the US has major talks with and makes concessions to each major enemy, yet when it comes to either Russia or Kim Jong Un (the 2 countries Trump had huge, some would say historic, diplomatic success with) they get into a leftoid cognitive dissonance tizzy and claim any treatment or talks better than cold war status quo somehow constitutes treason. It's equally naive to think that the Ukraine has the US and Europe's best interest in mind, the truth is while the Ukraine's and Russia's nationalists are deeply divided due to Russia's history of dominance as the former soviet block, they both have a very similar culture and are of the same people. The Ukraine pandering to Europe has been purely opportunistic, if they would somehow gain the upper hand in Europe tomorrow Ukrainians would give zero fucks about Europeans, not any different from the Russians. The whole impeachment story is nothing but hot air.

CornPoptheOriginalGangster says

I'm laughing my ass off

Oh, well. If you're laughing your ass off, that changes everything.

CornPoptheOriginalGangster says

I wonder why?

We know. You also wonder what's wrong with a sitting President using the office of President and his diplomatic connections to generate international dirt on a future political opponent.

marcus says

No, doesn’t. In the article, Tarlov falsely asserts

As a legal standard, we don’t even need a quid pro quo to impeach, though it is present in the notes of the call.

That statement is false in that a quid pro quo IS necessary to impeach...in fact impeachment is only available after the commission of "Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors"

Secondly, Tarlov attempts to explain how Trump actually did commit a quid pro quo act. Of course he didn’t and like everyone else trying to claim Trumps actions did, she sounds horribly confused. Certainly she is either lying or attempting to make us believe that she’s too stupid to assess simple legal concepts.

Finally, it doesn’t help her case that she’s a Democrat consultant and strategist.

But it’s ok Tim and Marcus. You only have 5 more years of President Trump.

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Impressive analysis. That is if you're going for some kind of most intellectually dishonest person of the year award.

Zelensky’s quid: “Thank you for your great support in the area of defense. We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps specifically we are almost ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes.” (Javelins are anti-tank missiles).

Trump’s Quo: “I would like you to do us a favor though….”

There’s more, of course. Trump’s mention of reciprocity; his request that Ukraine investigate Biden; and his mention that his people (Attorney General William Barr and Trump personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani) will be in touch with Ukraine all read like a classic mob shakedown.

As journalist Ryan Lizza put it: “Anyone who has ever listened to the Gotti tapes will recognize the subtlety here.” I’ve heard the tapes of the late Mafia boss and Lizza is spot on.

And by the way, why was Trump using his personal attorney rather than U.S. government officials to deal with a foreign country? This was not only highly inappropriate, but ironic, given that Giuliani made his reputation as a crusading U.S. attorney in New York City by prosecuting Mafia figures.

That’s not quid pro quo Marcus.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

Right. Why did Kuwait give Harken the offshore leases after Gulf War I? George W was on the board. George W wasn't on ARCO's board. News, certainly, in places like Chemical Week and the Washington Post, but not treason of the type committed by Trump threatening to leave Ukraine undefended from Russian tanks.

@APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch

1. I can not know if Biden pressuring UA govt had anything to do with prosecutor investigating his son, and we will never know. This is way too high up the food chain, and other than hearing some partisan noise we will never know the truth. BTW I have 1000% confidence level in both UA prosecutors being highly corrupt, both the original one (Shokin?) and the one who replaced him. It will end just like with your examples of Harken leases, $400/gal fuel for troops in Afghanistan, and so on, with no definite information and some people getting very rich. Too much money involved (50-80K Biden Jr salary is just the visible part of iceberg, UA shale fields near Lvov and in perspective near Doneck are the real payoffs. BTW some people say that shale fields near Doneck are the real reason behind Russian aggression, and I seem to think they might be right).

2. I disagree with you about Javelins. Whatever reason (I suspect our Golden Gollum does not not know and/or does not care that UA is at war with Russia, or $$$ transfer to MIC blinds him), Trump actually sold lethal weapons to Ukraine, while St Obama sat on his ass and preached tolerance. So, that is one thing we can not blame Trump for.

3. In any case, as a minimum, this is an example of terminal senility or complete lack of reality perception by Biden Sr.

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Right. IF you imply it, or even more or less say it explicitly, it doesn't mean that you meant it.

Without a signed contract, or repeated video recordings of "can we both agree that I did this for you, and you did that for me as a quid pro quo," without that it just isn't a quid pro quo.

And yet the fact that Biden was VP when his son got a sweet board of directors deal, is more than enough proof of a quid pro quo ?

I have to admit it is shocking that someone gets a seat on a board of directors becasue of "connections." Damn capitalism.

CovfefeButDeadly says

That’s not quid pro quo Marcus

Yes, its much closer to extortion.

God damn libbies if he switched to G Suite would that placate you??
Tim Aurora says

Trump is using office for personal gain and putting this country at risk