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CornPoptheOriginalGangster says

Will we allow the intelligence agencies to overthrow a Democratically Elected President because they hate his policies?

So this is your story and you're sticking to it ?

The truth just unknowable ? OR it's just what you want it to be ? You say I'm going to have to believe the deep state version of reality, becasue the truth simply isn't knowable ?

You know what conspiracy theory I would find more believable than yours ? That Trump was actually following orders to pave the way for Biden to be President, by getting the public weary of this story long before the real campaign even begins. And by getting himself impeached. You should be looking forward to a Biden Presidency. Just think of all the things that will be blamed on him by right wing media. You'll have a blast ! Same for all you other TDS freaks. I half way wish for TRump to be reelected to have to deal with the problems that he is causing that haven't kicked in yet. Because the republicans are so effective at blaming others for the problems they cause - in part becasue of the cognitive challenges of their supporters.

OR perhaps it's not that Trump is being ordered to do it, that's a little too crazy of a conspiracy theory. But maybe Trump actually wants to run against Biden. Maybe the truth is Trump believes Biden would be easier to beat than Warren. That may be true. So he's getting this story under the bridge, and giving Biden the media focus. Which distracts from attention Yang or Warren could be getting.

Trump loves to dominate as many news cycles as possible, even when it seems bad for him.

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You laugh, but you know how much money this is going to generate ?

Hey, how is Avanetti, CNN's favorite Democratic Candidate, doing in the Polls?

Haven't heard much from him lately.

marcus says

So this is your story and you're sticking to it ?

The truth just unknowable ? OR it's just what you want it to be ? You say I'm going to have to believe the deep state version of reality, becasue the truth simply isn't knowable ?

My story is this:

The Whistleblower was a known entity, as serves as the excuse to reveal a whole bunch of shit.

(S)he was served a barium meal of 100000 lumens, glow-in-the-dark proportions.

We ain't seen nothing yet. But people are going to go down to the last second believing every "Dormant" Media Excuse, one after another.

This is going to be Avenatti/Cohen/Manafort x10000%

Its really nerve racking to live in a country that is on the brink and at risk. Add to that the possibility of TRUMP raping my daughter and the fact that we only have 9.5 years left on this planet. I say it's unsupportable.

marcus says

The truth just unknowable ? OR it's just what you want it to be

I actually believe that the only truth that exists is MATH...everything else is open to interpretation.

So what was Trump's motivation in his conversation with Zelensky? Do you seriously believe Trump is concerned about corruption in the Ukraine? And that he withheld aid to them because of the rampant corruption that is a very real issue in Ukraine? Is there any indication from Trump's actions to date that he cares about anything other than his own survival, both political and financial?

rdm says

So what was Trump's motivation in his conversation with Zelensky? Do you seriously believe Trump is concerned about corruption in the Ukraine? And that he withheld aid to them because of the rampant corruption that is a very real issue in Ukraine? Is there any indication from Trump's actions to date that he cares about anything other than his own survival, both political and financial?

Read the transcript for yourself. It's a very positive phone call. No quid pro quo whatsoever.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Unclassified09.2019.pdf

Do you believe Obama was serious about corruption in the Ukraine? It exploded while he was President.

ICornPoptheOriginalGangster says

Read the transcript for yoursel

I've read it. But what was Trump's motivation for making it?

And BTW it is not a word for word transcript. Apparently such a word for word transcript does exist and certainly in a matter of this importance should be made available to the Intelligence committees. Agree?

If no evidence of a crime has been submitted and the accusation made by someone who wasn’t a witness, and when the supposed victim himself (President of Ukraine) states that he was not in any way victimized, then how do we take people seriously who insist that not only did a crime happen but it’s serious and warrants impeachment? You have to do better than that. Seriously!

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Trump is such an idiot.

Trump Was Repeatedly Warned That Ukraine Conspiracy Theory Was ‘Completely Debunked’

President Trump was repeatedly warned by his own staff that the Ukraine conspiracy theory that he and his lawyer were pursuing was “completely debunked” long before the president pressed Ukraine this summer to investigate his Democratic rivals, a former top adviser said on Sunday.

Thomas P. Bossert, who served as Mr. Trump’s first homeland security adviser, said he told the president there was no basis to the theory that Ukraine, not Russia, intervened in the 2016 election and did so on behalf of the Democrats. Speaking out for the first time, Mr. Bossert said he was “deeply disturbed” that Mr. Trump nonetheless tried to get Ukraine’s president to produce damaging information about Democrats.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/29/us/politics/tom-bossert-trump-ukraine.html?action=click&auth=login-email&blockId=most-popular&fallback=0&geoContinent=NA&geoCountry=US&geoRegion=CA&imp_id=732923395&locked=0&login=email&module=trending&pgtype=Article&recAlloc=top_conversion&recId=1RZ3qupmeF4sE6PFNxrvcCu7eDA®ion=Footer

rdm says

I've read it. But what was Trump's motivation for making it?

Can you quote the quid pro quo part?

rdm says

And BTW it is not a word for word transcript. Apparently such a word for word transcript does exist and certainly in a matter of this importance should be made available to the Intelligence committees. Agree?

I imagine there's a recording of it, not sure there is another transcript. That's part of the conspiracy theory to push the idea it's been doctored somehow. The only thing that is not verbatim is that the Ukrainian is translated and there's no certification that it's 110% accurate in terms of translation. The recorder might have missed a "The" or "Also" somewhere.

I don't, because there's nothing in it that's actionable or admissible in Court, along with the 2nd/3rd hand addendum of the Whistleblower's claim. There is no there, there.

"911? My neighbor told me his doctor's cousin saw his daughter's boyfriend steal a bicycle he thinks didn't belong to him."
"Shit Lady, we'll get there right away and arrest the guy. C'mon Friday, we gotta get there right away. Dun Da Dun Dun..."

marcus says

Trump is such an idiot.

Which is why Biden is flipping out, demanding that Guiliani not be allowed on TV to talk about Shonkin's sworn affidavit and other records.

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000016d-7e93-d60b-a3fd-7ef321ba0002

Also, if there was a bet on it, I'd totally take the side that the whistleblower is connected to rabid anti-Trumpers.

This has barium meal/canary trap written all over it, so please keep pushing it. It's going to explode in the face of TDS OrangeManBad.

Valid to wonder why guiliani was asked to call instead of state or doj employees.

DNI and DOJ supposedly both investigated and found no evidence of pride quo quo or wrongdoing.

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For the literate among you.

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/whistleblower-says-trump-praised-a-ukrainian-prosecutor-on-phone-call-that-prosecutor-now-says-hunter-biden-didnt-violate-anything/

CornPoptheOriginalGangster says

The only thing that is not verbatim is that the Ukrainian is translated and there's no certification that it's 110% accurate in terms of translation. The recorder might have missed a "The" or "Also" somewhere.

Really, pray tell how this is known? Afraid of what might be revealed?

I dont believe it is a conspiracy theory to want to see/hear the complete word for word transcript, to me this is simply due diligence. What was released might be quite accurate but how can one know? Take Trumps word for it?

CornPoptheOriginalGangster says

I don't, because there's nothing in it that's actionable or admissible in Court

First that cant be known and second it is irrelevant this is an impeachment inquiry, similar to an investigation which might lead to an indictment, in this case impeachment. The trial is in the Senate, if it gets that far. How can there be a thorough and fair investigation without a word for word transcript?

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More for readers

https://www.justsecurity.org/66271/timeline-trump-giuliani-bidens-and-ukrainegate/

Tim Aurora says

abused the power of his office to benefit himself to the detriment of the public good,

Sounds like a politician.

marcus says

the fact that Biden was VP when his son got a sweet board of directors deal, is more than enough proof of a quid pro quo

Correct. What other business did Hunter Biden have on a Ukrainian board of directors?

TeaPot Dome scandal repeat. Except this time liberals defending the corruption. America sunk low in morality.

rdm says

Really, pray tell how this is known? Afraid of what might be revealed?

Biden on tape bragging of prosecutor removal or aid withheld, former pressured prosecutor sworn affadavit that he was removed due to Biden pressure. Totally unqualified cokehead son on board of company prosecutor was investigating, getting paid $50k per month.

Media reaction: dismissal as dormant

Third hand Allegations of quid pro quo clearly refuted by unclassified transcript

Demmedia reaction: another investigation, unsubstantiated claims transcript is flawed

Mythbusters busted the Bull in the China Shop ...

www.youtube.com/embed/unXVAfbA_xs

The Stock Market doesn't give a shit anymore.



Alot of the desperation is that Biden isn't going to be the nominee, he looks increasingly weak (quite aside from his family's deep corruption), and Warren - whom wealthy donors abhor - will probably be the nominee.

Tim Aurora says

Biden was doing the bidding of his administration and major governments and IMF .

His son was on the board of Bursima, despite havine NO QUALIFICATIONS other than being the VP's brood. You'll also have to explain his upcoming China Scandal.

Tim Aurora says

Hunter was not getting investigated at any time ( only his company and that was a dormant case). Regardless, Trump cannot start investigating his rivals on whim. It has to go through proper procedures.

Shonkin's sworn affidavit says otherwise. A sworn affidavit trumps any WaPo reporters' "According to (unnamed) people familiar with the story".

The President has the power and the duty to investigate potential criminal charges against private citizens. Just not use oppo research laundered through an Issokoff "Article" to get FISA warrants on a rival's staff.

CornPoptheOriginalGangster says

Shonkin's sworn affidavit says otherwis

Shokin ?

So the corrupt prosecutor that Biden got fired seems willing to, or even wants to get Biden in political trouble ?

That's the best you've got ?

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Even if Trump didn't win the popular vote, the 2016 election was a mandate that we have a self involved lunatic con artist as our President.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

WE MUST OBEY!

Exactly. And when he goes especially far off the deep end, it is the duty of the media to ignore it. Otherwise it's clearly their intention to make him look bad by reporting the things he says and does.

Never before has the media been so extreme in their willful portrayal of a President as being incompetent.

As long as he continues to strike fear and loathing in the Patnet deluded and deranged CommieFuck apparatchiks, he has my vote.

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Yes, Trump only seems like he's the antiChrist. It's his way of trolling those smarty pants elitist educated folks.

IT's actually quite refreshing (™)

jazz_music says

It’s Trump, only Trump is trying to make this thing into a reality. Trump needs it.

So Trump needs the thing that brings about an impeachment inquiry? Okay.... Twilight Zone.

rdm says

he withheld aid to them

Wasn't that Biden?

No Hall Pass from Pooty-cakes! Need we remind you again and again of the Russian Mobster co-signed Deutsche Bank loans, Donald?

Tim Aurora says

It has to go through proper procedures.

How do you know it hasnt?

Crowdstrike as well as US politicians from both sides of aisle were playing games in Ukraine. Sounds like executive branch is looking at all of it, as they fucking should.

jazz_music says

Notice there’s not very much interest in any of the news on any scandal about either of the Bidens, that’s why.

Are you using MSM attention as a proxy for reality?

^^ definition of brainwashed.

Only very stupid people believe Hunter Biden was paid $50k/month by a Ukrainian Nat Gas company because of his wastrel coke habits and not his last name.

That won't stop the WaPo and and Georgie Stephanopolous from trying to sell it, though.

A lot of this is the media trying to prove to themselves they can move the needle like they used to.

I nominate her for this month's Jussie Award !

Dude, how come you don't have HEYYOU on ignore since 2007 or so? Everybody else does.

It’s fun to be outraged about stories that kids made up! It’s even more fun to wish death on kids in response to fake news!

There’s a reason why I have that idiot on ignore. It took him many years to earn it.

She probably did get the idea of Jussie Smollet. If bullshitters get so much fame and attention, it's worth trying.

OccasionalCortex says

@Quigley If I had him on ignore, then you'd never have seen this because I wouldn't have. :)

Yep, I did see this original story a few days ago. Seemed unbelievable that kids would be that cruel, in such an obviously racist way.

IMPEACH GIULIANI, TRUMP'S HIMMLER!

The article is bullshit. Everybody knows that greased dreadlocks over two weeks old can only be removed with a band saw.