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105282   rdm   2019 Oct 1, 10:59am  

WookieMan says
the air you breath is cleaner because of capitalism


Well regulated capitalism. Unregulated capitalism, in this country, is that which polluted the air, water, soil and food. Trump has rolled back as many of those regulations as he can and yes this in some way does affect everyone. But the premise of the question how has the Trump presidency affected in a negative way your life, assumes that the Pat net people are representative of America as a whole. On its face that is laughable given that there are no women posters that I am aware of. As to the poor, minorities, gays, millennials and so forth those that by large margins oppose the retrograde policies he has or has tried to put in place, we don't know but I would guess it is a tiny %. But yeah, as a white, well to do man the direct economic affects have been, so far, OK not stellar, but OK. But some of us look past the present and see the ultimate results of his policies as being potentially horrific. The environmental destruction he has attempted to cause alone is disqualifying for me. Don't give a shit about that then the increase in the debt and deficits of his economic policies should be of concern to everyone, I am still waiting for that 4% growth.
105283   Bd6r   2019 Oct 1, 11:05am  

rdm says
minorities,

Am I a minority if I have 1% Caribbean Native genetic ancestry and about 1% North Asian ancestry, and if not, what % of that ancestries I should have to qualify?
Or should I be subjected to SKULL! MEASUREMENTS! by the PROGRESSIVES! to figure out if I am a minority or not?
105284   socal2   2019 Oct 1, 11:09am  

rdm says
The environmental destruction he has attempted to cause alone is disqualifying for me.


I'd argue that Environmental Leftists have done more harm in terms of Climate Change than Republicans by fighting nuclear energy for the last 50 years.

Environmental Leftists are doing their best to ensure the US is hopelessly dependent on OPEC and Russia for their dirty oil.

Meanwhile, thanks to the miracle of fracking of cleaner natural gas - the US is practically energy independent and are cutting our carbon emissions faster than any OECD country on the planet.
105285   Onvacation   2019 Oct 1, 11:16am  

It depends on what the meaning of is is.
105286   Onvacation   2019 Oct 1, 11:19am  

WaltertheoFlanders says
won't have any return like Mueller did

You are probably right.
105287   WookieMan   2019 Oct 1, 11:20am  

WaltertheoFlanders says
Also not true, they tried to classify at highest level. Took a whistle blower to get the information. That's not doing it out in the open. This call was on July 25 not September 25, did you not know this.

Make up what ever bullshit you want, you aren't convincing me.


It's not bullshit. Transcripts were released from the call. That didn't have to be done. All we know of is an anonymous "whistleblower" has made claims that haven't been substantiated. And the fact remains that Trump has every right to undo past wrongs from previous administrations, including potential illegal activity. That's not illegal. This isn't a hard concept.

rdm says
Unregulated capitalism, in this country, is that which polluted the air, water, soil and food. Trump has rolled back as many of those regulations as he can and yes this in some way does affect everyone.

Many? List 'em. Anything he's rolled back has maybe, "maybe" hurt one out of a thousand people. More was to be gained versus one person getting butt hurt over a pipeline or the like. One persons view of harm is different than the next persons. 10 people being out of work versus the perceived unlikelihood of a pipeline leak hurting that 1 person isn't logical.

Humans are dirty. People need to get over that. Otherwise buy a tent that used a bunch of carbon emission through the manufacturing process and shipment process and go live in the woods. Eat cold food because that fire will pollute as well. And I don't drive an F-150, so don't go there chief. I want a clean earth, but American's are NOT the problem in the grand scheme of things. If you want to castrate yourself at the behest of the Chinese then go ahead, that ain't me.
105288   rdm   2019 Oct 1, 11:21am  

socal2 says

I'd argue that Environmental Leftists have done more harm in terms of Climate Change


So you believe that climate change exists and it is mostly from human activities?
105289   Onvacation   2019 Oct 1, 11:27am  

rdm says
So you believe that climate change exists and it is mostly from human activities?

The climate is always changing. We seem to be in midst of a cooling trend, mostly driven by the sun.
105290   WookieMan   2019 Oct 1, 11:30am  

rdm says
socal2 says

I'd argue that Environmental Leftists have done more harm in terms of Climate Change


So you believe that climate change exists and it is mostly from human activities?


Can anyone prove that we haven't orbited say even 10 or even 100 miles closer to the sun? That's a fractional rounding error by five plus decimal points for the distances we're talking. We have no idea what that does to climate if it were or has happened. We have too many people and we're going to increase gross pollution/carbon for the foreseeable future. You can't stop that. There's one regulation and one alternative that can fix this if you're convicted it's man made.

Stop making babies. Or we kill each other. That's it. We cannot reduce per capita carbon output faster than we're creating new humans. In the meantime I'll enjoy my life and maybe 100 generations removed my kids offspring will die of heat exhaustion. Oh well.
105291   rdm   2019 Oct 1, 11:35am  

WookieMan says

Many? List 'em. Anything he's rolled back has maybe, "maybe" hurt one out of a thousand people.


Very scientific analysis but stll that is 350,000 people

"85 Environmental Rules Being
Rolled Back Under Trump
By NADJA POPOVICH, LIVIA ALBECK-RIPKA and KENDRA PIERRE-LOUIS UPDATED Sept. 12, 2019

President Trump has made eliminating federal regulations a priority. His administration, with help from Republicans in Congress, has often targeted environmental rules it sees as burdensome to the fossil fuel industry and other big businesses.

A New York Times analysis, based on research from Harvard Law School, Columbia Law School and other sources, counts more than 80 environmental rules and regulations on the way out under Mr. Trump.

Our list represents two types of policy changes: rules that were officially reversed and rollbacks still in progress. The Trump administration has released an aggressive schedule to try to finalize many of these rollbacks this year.


The Trump administration has often used a “one-two punch” when rolling back environmental rules, said Caitlin McCoy, a fellow in the Environmental and Energy Law Program at Harvard Law School who tracks regulatory rollbacks. “First a delay rule to buy some time, and then a final substantive rule.”

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/climate/trump-environment-rollbacks.html

There is chart with the article, it didn't paste well
105292   socal2   2019 Oct 1, 11:48am  

rdm says
socal2 says

I'd argue that Environmental Leftists have done more harm in terms of Climate Change


So you believe that climate change exists and it is mostly from human activities?


I think Climate has always changed and that humans have some impact with the burning of fossil fuels. I don't believe the disease is worse than the medicine the Climate extremists are advocating.

Just pointing out that the Democrats are their own worst enemies (if they truly believe in the worst apocalyptic predictions) by being against the one technology (nuclear) that can feasibly get us off carbon in the time frame they are advocating.
105293   WookieMan   2019 Oct 1, 11:49am  

rdm says
A New York Times analysis, based on research from Harvard Law School, Columbia Law School and other sources, counts more than 80 environmental rules and regulations on the way out under Mr. Trump.


I appreciate a link like you've posted. Skimmed through it, I'm still not convinced that many people are being hurt by the rollbacks though. You can't make extreme claims in my book without backing it with evidence:

All told, the Trump administration’s environmental rollbacks could significantly increase greenhouse gas emissions and lead to thousands of extra deaths from poor air quality every year, according to a recent report prepared by New York University Law School's State Energy and Environmental Impact Center.


When the intro statement to the cited report lists the Trump administration by name, it's done. All credibility is lost in that report. There's a way to write an academic paper and that's not it. Clear bias by the 2nd graph.

rdm says
Very scientific analysis but stll that is 350,000 people


Good. If you want a cleaner earth 350,000 people is just the tip of the iceberg of people that need to die. You can't claim to be environmentally friendly and ignore the 800,000lbs gorilla in the room. People. Regulation won't fix the problems in China and other parts of the world. Wait and see what happens when African countries get their heads out of their corrupt asses... I feel like I'm talking to wall here sometimes.
105294   WookieMan   2019 Oct 1, 11:57am  

Tim Aurora says
socal2 says


I don't know a single Trump voter who is souring on him right now.

You are in a bubble/echo chamber

Lol. Everyone is. Don't hitch your cart to any horse. Just pull a Fred Flintstone and drive that mother fucker with your own feet.
105295   socal2   2019 Oct 1, 12:04pm  

Tim Aurora says
They were fired because Trump did not like them and Mueller did not recommend any action against them ( as opposed to many Trump associates were imprisoned)


McCabe wasn't fired by Trump. He stepped down for lying and is still facing charges from the DOJ.

There is no defending the unprofessional ism and partisanship of Strozk and his mistress Lisa Page who were leading the investigation.

Manafort was arrested for prior tax evasion and process crimes. But he was originally targeted for his lobbying for Ukraine. What do you suppose Hunter Biden was doing for Ukraine?
105296   Tenpoundbass   2019 Oct 1, 12:07pm  

There is no such thing as a quid pro quo when it comes to the President working on foreign policy. Even if the story did play out like the bogus whistle blower framed it.

That past two president was caught on camera doing just the same thing if not worse, on camera multiple times.

"Well tell them to quit doing that shit and we'll quit bombing them!"
"Give me until after the election I'll have more leadway then."
105297   WookieMan   2019 Oct 1, 12:11pm  

Tenpoundbass says
There is no such thing as a quid pro quo when it comes to the President working on foreign policy


This. It comes with the territory with the highest office on the planet. I don't like it all the time, but that position needs flexibility to get things done. Same with any elected person in the executive role.
105299   Ceffer   2019 Oct 1, 12:17pm  

Quid Pro Poppycock.
105300   mell   2019 Oct 1, 1:45pm  

Trump will handily beat Warren. Nobody wants to elect a crazed out hypocrite who rode on faux pocahontas creds and now wants to tax income above 250k with 15%. Dems are mentally ill. Somebody making 250K on the left or right coast in the US is STILL A WORKER, by all definitions. Don't abandon your tax-paying base. Don't be Liz.
105301   mell   2019 Oct 1, 1:56pm  

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says
BUT HUNTER GOT A JOB!


Yes he did, and the coke-head and his dad should rightfully be investigated.
105302   mell   2019 Oct 1, 1:57pm  

Rudy is gonna fuck them up. You ain't seen nothing yet, he cleaned up NYC so this is a cakewalk for him.
105303   Y   2019 Oct 1, 2:04pm  

семьдесят девять

WaltertheoFlanders says
How many Russian trolls are on this site?
105304   Y   2019 Oct 1, 2:06pm  

No. Spring, Summer, Autumn, Winter all happen naturally, regardless of human invervention...

rdm says
So you believe that climate change exists and it is mostly from human activities?
105305   komputodo   2019 Oct 1, 2:41pm  

Tim Aurora says
socal2 says


I don't know a single Trump voter who is souring on him right now.

You are in a bubble/echo chamber

Are you predicting his imminent impeachment and removal from office? Or just fantasizing? It would be nice to have it documented so we can all get a good laugh later on.
105306   komputodo   2019 Oct 1, 2:43pm  

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says
BUT HUNTER GOT A JOB!

He always had one but this was a step up from working the glory hole for grams of blow.
105307   komputodo   2019 Oct 1, 2:48pm  

mell says
Trump will handily beat Warren. Nobody wants to elect a crazed out hypocrite who rode on faux pocahontas creds

We may not want to elect the squaw but we may be tricked into it by the Ukrainians through their social media propaganda...We must stay vigilant.
105308   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2019 Oct 1, 2:50pm  

TDS symptoms on the left have worsened, they'll need many sessions, some might be beyond hope.
105309   rdm   2019 Oct 1, 3:09pm  

socal2 says
McCabe wasn't fired by Trump

Well I suppose technically true, he was fired by Sessions a few hours before he retired to fuck him out of his full pension. Nice, I m sure Trump had nothing to do with it.
105310   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2019 Oct 1, 3:36pm  

out of context
105311   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Oct 1, 4:01pm  

If Mifsud is a Russian Spy, why didn't Mueller charge him and why haven't Italy and Britain arrested him, given he was deep in Link University, friends with top Italian Social Democrat ministers, and involved with Western diplomatic/intelligence training organizations?

Seth Abramson, Daily Beast, keep digging the hole! heh heh heh

They don't realize Barr is actually going to interview and get sworn testimony from Mifsud. They already got Downer on tape.
105312   WookieMan   2019 Oct 1, 4:06pm  

CornPoptheOriginalGangster says
If Mifsud is a Russian Spy, why didn't Mueller charge him and why haven't Italy and Britain arrested him, given he was deep in Link University, friends with top ministers, and other diplomatic/intelligence training organizations?

Because his directive was to charge people associated with Trump. I fear laws no longer need to be enforced. Happens at all levels too. Got cock suckers in my town that the county States Attorney admitted they violated open meeting act shit, and, and, oh well. That's legitimately the summary of what happened. Get in government. It's almost impossible to get put in jail. Seriously.
105313   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Oct 1, 4:08pm  

WookieMan says
Because his directive was to charge people associated with Trump. I fear laws no longer need to be enforced. Happens at all levels too. Got cock suckers in my town that the county States Attorney admitted they violated open meeting act shit, and, and, oh well. That's legitimately the summary of what happened. Get in government. It's almost impossible to get put in jail. Seriously.


Mifsud was asked by elements within Five Eyes to do a Push/Pull on PapaDop. He would push - remember "Putin's Niece" who turned out to be a student a Link University - and then Downer would "pull", "Proving" PapaDop was trying to collude with Russians.

The Media is doubling down that Mifsud is a Russian Agent, when he's a top diplomat trainer and civil servant with close ties to the European Centrist Parties of 3 countries.

Mifsud has been in hiding because he knows what happens to those who get in the way of the Clinton Machine.

Mueller was surprisingly uninterested in either talking to or charging him, though Mueller charged Russians way out of his grasp in Russia. Mifsud is somewhere in Italy, and I'm sure Italian Intel could find him quick.
105314   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Oct 1, 4:10pm  

This is gonna be a helluva thriller when it finally gets written.
105315   SunnyvaleCA   2019 Oct 1, 4:39pm  

komputodo says
lololol......cankles should have won the popular vote by at least 25% according to the polls and the fact that she was the "most qualified"...not by 2 or 3%...if she would have, you would have your president in office...
She only won land-slide popular vote in states that have no voter-id laws. All the more reason to absolutely insist on the electoral college — reduces the effects of states with state-wide voter fraud.
105316   rdm   2019 Oct 1, 4:58pm  

Yep, Trump is nutts I've said that before. Even had a few of his cult agree. Is that really in question?
Now you can like his crazy, hate it or something in between. But he is one crazy MF.
105317   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Oct 1, 5:34pm  

WookieMan says
That's legitimately the summary of what happened. Get in government. It's almost impossible to get put in jail. Seriously.


When Trump-Barr actually put people in prison, things will change.

Alot of the utter hatred of Trump is due to his enforcing the Rule of Law, which Globalist/Neoliberals believes is an ossified remnant of earlier days and is an obstacle to Progressing towards the Federation (of Multinational Companies and Bureaucrats). Nationalism and anti-corruption is so passe. Technocrats must unfettered by such vestigal ideas like prosecuting them for having closed door meetings.

Look how much shit they gave Orban for daring to insist that most Hungarian farmland be reserved for... Hungarians! Or that foreign NGOs shouldn't be funding courses at their colleges that promote anti-nationalism.
105318   Heraclitusstudent   2019 Oct 1, 5:47pm  

Tim Aurora says

Over the past several days, the self-proclaimed “stable genius” has been on a nonstop Twitter binge, lying about what’s going on in Congress, lying about what happened in Ukraine, and escalating his inappropriate conduct by threatening the country with a civil war and threatening his enemies in Congress with criminal charges.


If Trump was playing 5 dim chess, and this is all a trap for dems, wouldn't he now play it cool - instead of the complete hysteria - as they totally fell for it?
105319   SunnyvaleCA   2019 Oct 1, 6:45pm  

Heraclitusstudent says
If Trump was playing 5 dim chess, and this is all a trap for dems, wouldn't he now play it cool - instead of the complete hysteria - as they totally fell for it?

No, that would only be 4D chess. Try to keep up! :-)
105320   Shaman   2019 Oct 1, 6:55pm  

rdm says
Yep, Trump is nutts I've said that before. Even had a few of his cult agree. Is that really in question?
Now you can like his crazy, hate it or something in between. But he is one crazy MF.


He may be crazy or he may be brilliant. The two are frequently confused. Best way to tell the difference is by examining the results.
105321   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2019 Oct 1, 7:12pm  

Quigley says
rdm says
Yep, Trump is nutts I've said that before. Even had a few of his cult agree. Is that really in question?
Now you can like his crazy, hate it or something in between. But he is one crazy MF.


He may be crazy or he may be brilliant. The two are frequently confused. Best way to tell the difference is by examining the results.


www.youtube.com/embed/lfdiaoZ84M0

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