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They're doing it all wrong... $500/month just isn't high enough! /sarc

Actually, they are doing it all wrong. It should be $1000/month and no other welfare. Once all the section-8 housing support is cancelled, each section-8 dweller will have to double-up with another section-8 dweller to stretch the UBI budget. Viola! There is plenty of open housing.

Out of curiosity, what the heck do people actually do in Stockton?

SunnyvaleCA says

It should be $1000/month and no other welfare

Always more, never enough

SunnyvaleCA says

Out of curiosity, what the heck do people actually do in Stockton?

For example:

"The Port of Stockton is a major inland deepwater port in Stockton, California located on the Stockton Channel and San Joaquin River before it joins the Sacramento River to empty into Suisun Bay, eighty miles inland. The port sits on about 4,200 acres (17 km2), and occupies an island in the Sacramento–San Joaquin River Delta, and a portion of a neighborhood known as Boggs Tract. It is governed by a commission appointed by the City of Stockton and San Joaquin County. In 2012 it supported 4,500 jobs and made about $4.9 million in local tax funds"

Fact Check: Media Matters is Pants on Fire.



https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/09/21/joe-biden-never-talked-ukraine-son-trump-needs-investigated/2401830001/

I'm sure while they were golfing, Joe and Hunter and Devon Archer of Burisma never discussed business.

I’ve known many.
They think Democrats will shower them with equality and gold from pockets of white people. That’s what they want, and Dems will give them this.

komputodo says

OccasionalCortex says

Or, as I said previously: Is it just me?

No, it's not just you...There are an unlimited amount of TOTAL idiots.....the funny thing is, imagine if their wetdream came true and trump and pence were eliminated and pelosi was president...What changes do they expect would happen with pelosi at the helm? How would their life improve? would a couple of more wars in foreign countries improve their lives. Would more welfare improve the lives of the working stiff or the medium wealthy? Would opening the border improve their lives?

Media matters, lol

Iranian_Oil_Burse says

SunnyvaleCA says

Out of curiosity, what the heck do people actually do in Stockton?

For example:

"The Port of Stockton is a major inland deepwater port in Stockton, California located on the Stockton Channel and San Joaquin River before it joins the Sacramento River to empty into Suisun Bay, eighty miles inland. The port sits on about 4,200 acres (17 km2), and occupies an island in the Sacramento–San Joaquin River Delta, and a portion of a neighborhood known as Boggs Tract. It is governed by a commission appointed by the City of Stockton and San Joaquin County. In 2012 it supported 4,500 jobs and made about $4.9 million in local tax funds"

Ah. Now I see... they are a port city. I somehow thought they were out in the middle of the desert.

jazz_music says

Trump is systematically lying to America overwriting reality with his lies from the very beginning.

What was Trump's biggest lie? Not hyperbole or exaggeration but out right bold faced lie?

jazz_music says

OrangeManBad!!!

Onvacation says

What was Trump's biggest lie? Not hyperbole or exaggeration but out right bold faced lie?

Trump said "Biden is a nice guy." Does that count as a lie?

* Impotent Screeching *

jazz_music says

Onvacation says

What was Trump's biggest lie? Not hyperbole or exaggeration but out right bold faced lie?

What are Trump's high crimes and misdemeanors?

Hyperbole and exaggeration.

HEYYOU says

hottest month ever

EVER!

TrumpingTits says

Learn to read.

Funny how that guy learned to post before learning to read. Good thing I still have him and HEYYOU on ignore or Id have to see their totally stupid posts!

jazz_music says

The national sport is gaslighting since Trump entered the scene showing all how it's done.

We just want to be left alone!
We just want civil partnerships!
Civil Partnerships is unequal! We want full gay marriage!
Bake my cake bigot!
Tolerate Transpeople!
Teach your kids that Gender is fluid or you're a bigot!
Wax my balls, bigot!

That's gaslighting.

After Biden and (maybe) Gabbard, Yang might actually be the least-bad of the Democrat candidates. His other ideas aren't quite as extreme and UBI isn't going to happen in the next 20 years anyway. At least with UBI the idea is plain and simple for all to see. Therefore, people can more easily see just how it's not going to work. If we get UBI and cancel all other welfare, the country might wind up saving money in the long run.

Another beauty with UBI is that it's so obvious a 3rd-world beacon that even Democrats might have to realize we need to close the borders and enforce US laws.

jazz_music says

Fuck you and your time wasting.

So you got nothing real, just a bad case of TDS.

jazz_music says

What's weird is that the two examples given in that, never happened. If Trump is actually lying all the time, why didn't they use actual examples of him lying?

The irony here, is that YOU are gaslighting people. That's why both examples were hypothetical examples, and not actual ones.

The average as of a television "news" viewer is now over 65. Nobody actually pays attention to it.

SunnyvaleCA says

Iranian_Oil_Burse says

SunnyvaleCA says

Out of curiosity, what the heck do people actually do in Stockton?

For example:

"The Port of Stockton is a major inland deepwater port in Stockton, California located on the Stockton Channel and San Joaquin River before it joins the Sacramento River to empty into Suisun Bay, eighty miles inland. The port sits on about 4,200 acres (17 km2), and occupies an island in the Sacramento–San Joaquin River Delta, and a portion of a neighborhood known as Boggs Tract. It is governed by a commission appointed by the City of Stockton and San Joaquin County. In 2012 it supported 4,500 jobs and made about $4.9 million in local tax funds"

Ah. Now I see... they are a port city. I somehow thought they were out in the middle of the desert.

I'm surprised you've never drove past Stockton: the port is clearly visible from the I-5. Not from the CA-99 though.

Iranian_Oil_Burse says

I'm surprised you've never drove past Stockton: the port is clearly visible from the I-5. Not from the CA-99 though.

From here I take 680 if I'm going to Sacramento. I take 120 to go to Yosemite. During off-peak weekend traffic times suggested route is not through Stockton.

Good choice. Habitually lying propaganda legacy outlets to expose a liar. That's credibility in action.

Maybe they'll hire me. May as well get paid.

jazz_music says

Bidens golfing photo is nothing.

jazz_music says

Media Matters has never failed a fact check.

According to who? Mother Jones, or just themselves?

jazz_music says

Onvacation says

What was Trump's biggest lie? Not hyperbole or exaggeration but out right bold faced lie?

What are Trump's high crimes and misdemeanors?

He got elected to run the mafia when the mafia didn't preselect and approve him.

jazz_music says

Onvacation says

So you got nothing real

I should put you on ignore, you abusive fuck

Where is the fun in that?

Onvacation says

jazz_music says

Trump is systematically lying to America overwriting reality with his lies from the very beginning.

What was Trump's biggest lie? Not hyperbole or exaggeration but out right bold faced lie?

Bold face lie or actual high crime or misdemeanor, you got nothing.

There are a lot of people out there that are really suffering from cognitive dissonance, including myself. I want to be a patriotic American but I know our system is rotten to the core. Trump is just as likely someones puppet (not Putin) as anyone's savior. It's all political theatre.

Still, I'm cheering for the former reality show billionaire who wants to make America great over any of the candidates who have openly stated they want to take my rights and steal the fruit of my hard work so someone "less fortunate" can reproduce.

Trump is just as likely someones puppet

More likely the puppet master. Trump had a few politicians he influenced while he was a businessman.

I'll take a crack at spinning.

Tim Aurora says

Excuse me if I am not online 100% of the time ready to respond to your question, as opposed to paid Russian like you.

jazz_music says

Truthful hyperbole; one of the lies in Trump's book. There is no such thing.

Trump's hyperbole is insulting and dishonest and it fits into the pattern of his life.

jazz_music says

Lying is not okay.

Oh my.... the irony of saying:

"hyperbole is lying"
"lying is bad"

I think it would follow that one should not indulge in hyperbole, right? Because, it's lying, and one should not lie, because it is bad.

Yet, that very post is itself indulging in hyperbole lol! And worse, it's linking to CNN, a news station which indulges in hyperbole to very high degrees.

jazz_music says

Again, COMPLETELY FALSE. The truth is that it is liberals who are driving DOWN wages for the poor with mass imports of illegal aliens to accomplish it.

That is, when they are not busy eliminating American jobs by exporting them to China.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

Last I checked, the news is all lit up with Republicans going apeshit about the Kremlin Cocksucker's Crimes.

What is "the news"? How do journalists decide what is news and what is not? How do they distinguish between a big news story and a small one? The answer is that they do it in exactly the same way as everybody else. Everybody makes those same judgments whenever they decide to talk about one event rather than another.
So I guess it's what "journalists" lolol decide they want to talk about..

Trump hasn't lied us into a war yet like Iraq, Libya, or Iraq.

Good enough.

I see that people will endlessly bitch about one, but not the other. I guess it's OK to lie in order to kill a few million people and waste a few trillion dollars. But, by god, don't engage in hyperbole!! That's wrong and very very bad!!

Prioritize your outrage.

I had this discussion on a business trip.Many Americans somewhat like Trump's policies but they are overpowered by the Overton window (shifted to cultural marxist radical) of "white supremacist" screeching leftoids so they stay quiet or agree with the WS BS out of embarrassment and fear of consequences. It's possible to red pill some though simply by stating the curt truth that Hitler was a WS but Trump isn't.

Majority of Americans now believe that Kennedy's assassination was an inside job, well after the fact and well after most of the principles can be tried or pay any price. Of course, they even talked Trump into keeping a lot of the classified info secret for longer time.

I think acknowledging that 9/11 was an inside job is just too ineffable for most citizens to absorb, and most still prefer to stay in their 'protected shell' world. I would recommend that those of fragile sensibilities stay in that shell, because if you look into 9/11 in any detail with the information that is now commonly available, you'll shudder.

Yes, Shrubby Bush just happened to be in front of a classroom full of children when he had his photo op 9/11 expression shot, which looked to me like "Damn, you think they are going to catch us at this? They'll hang us!" There never should have been an expression shot, secret service agents should have shuttled him off as soon as they got the info.

You wonder why psychopaths do these things? It's 'to get away with it' and to play the game. A lot of what they do seems senseless, but much is pure audacious theater and is not designed to benefit anybody but themselves. Some of it is just the sadism and indifference of the ruling elite.

The press shot of the Clintons when they heard of Epstein's 'suicide' was pure psychopath gloat. I thought I kept the picture but it got lost in the shuffle.

mell says

I had this discussion on a business trip.Many Americans somewhat like Trump's policies but they are overpowered by the Overton window (shifted to cultural marxist radical) of "white supremacist" screeching leftoids so they stay quiet or agree with the WS BS out of embarrassment and fear of consequences.

Overton window only defines what you're allowed to bring up, it doesn't limit what people think, and it limits how they can phrase things.

If I say "Trump is a good president because he's not started a new war", here in Silicon Valley - people will be upset because I said "Trump is a good president". I'm violating the Overton window there. If, however, I say "I'd more pleased with Trump than Obama or Bush because either through incompetence of genius, he's managed not to start a new war, and I don't care if he's incompetent at starting a new war or because he's intentionally frustrating attempts", I'm OK - because I've hinted he might be incompetent, I'm alluding to the fact that he's anything but a genius, but the results are what people can agree with. They might secretly think he IS a genius, but they don't have to voice it.

Ceffer says

stuff...

Because I'm intoxicated and bored, I'm going to comment on this for no real reason.

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised with the younger generation's general distrust of the government. Ironically, what has been holding the entire country back, is the boomer generation that protested the Vietnam war and rioted against the government and even KNEW the government lied them into Vietnam with the release of the Pentagon Papers, which Mike Gravel read into the congressional record using his immunity from prosecution to declassify it as a Congressional member.

This... idiot, generation, have been the most mindless bleating sheep this nation has ever seen. They screwed over their parents, and their kids, and believed every single lie of the government from 1975 onward, no matter how goofy it got. Even when corruption was exposed, like Bush lying us into a war, they did nothing, they accepted it, they told the other generations to shut up.

Everything the psychopaths in that generation did (and they've been running the government since 1992 or so), wasn't just to mock the other generations - it's just pure incompetence on their part. They are really a totally worthless, clueless generation. Hillary Clinton GENUINELY doesn't understand why people wouldn't vote for somebody that voted for the "Authorization to Use Force in Iraq" and became the Butcher of Libya. She ACTUALLY believes it's because "they hate me because I'm a woman". She's so fucking stupid she doesn't realize that anybody that has done any looking into the Clinton foundation, that it's a blatantly obvious pay for play fraud, she doesn't realize that it's blatantly obvious she was selling information on her "private" server, or that her husband was taking bribes from Russia in speeches, as she gave the thumbs up on Uranium One.

The boomer generation MUST have been subject to something that just made them stupid, seriously. The entire generation, with a few exceptions, are a group of sociopathic high functioning retards and they seriously don't recognize that the entire country knows what they did. They were the do nothing generation and as their power wanes, the nation will heal.

I'm in generation X, only scum from my generation is willing to work for the gubermint, and they are kept in positions of lower functionaries - as a result only the stupidest, least competent, least moral, of my generation work for them. Those assholes won't be able to hold it together, if it lasts that long. The USSR collapsed for the same reason. Buckle up buttercup, rough ride ahead.

richwicks says

mell says

I had this discussion on a business trip.Many Americans somewhat like Trump's policies but they are overpowered by the Overton window (shifted to cultural marxist radical) of "white supremacist" screeching leftoids so they stay quiet or agree with the WS BS out of embarrassment and fear of consequences.

Overton window only defines what you're allowed to bring up, it doesn't limit what people think, and it limits how they can phrase things.

If I say "Trump is a good president because he's not started a new war", here in Silicon Valley - people will be upset because I said "Trump is a good president". I'm violating the Overton window there. If, however, I say "I'd more pleased with Trump than Obama or Bush because either through incompetence of genius, he's managed not to start a new war, and I don't care if he's incompetent at starting a new war or because he's intentionally fru...

Right, the Overton window has shifted to the extreme left. Almost anything is allowed and ok to say against conservatives and Trump currently. Not the other way of course.

mell says

Right, the Overton window has shifted to the extreme left. Almost anything is allowed and ok to say against conservatives and Trump currently. Not the other way of course.

No, we have fake news now, we can openly discuss government corruption, and we can even talk about fake wars like Iraq, Libya, and Syria now.

This was absolutely impossible under Obama. There has been tremendous progress. The window is now much more open, it's not just to "the left". This is the widest I've seen it in my lifetime. The "left" is loosing, and this might surprise you, I was considered solidly left 15 years ago, because I was openly in opposition to the war in Iraq that Bush lied us into. I'm not left, I just have a respect for what I consider to be real, and I despise propaganda, I hate lies.

Stop being played by the fake left/right game. It's government versus us. Trump MIGHT be on our side, but don't be certain of it, and even if he is, don't be certain he will be successful at it. I have hope, but I also have a backup plan. You should as well.

Are you against government corruption and criminality? Fine, I'm with you. We may disagree on politics, but this is the first thing that I think must be addressed. I view my government as a mafia - remove that first, then we can discuss economics.