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An Antidote To Corporate Media


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2015 Feb 9, 7:43am   714,383 views  602 comments

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Patrick.net is an online forum, a bit like Twitter or Reddit, but with much more freedom of speech than either of those. Almost anything goes, but a few things don't, such as deliberately personally insulting another user, or deliberately misrepresenting what another user said.

I got the patrick.net domain name back in 1995 when I was one day too late for patrick.com. Missing the .com name turned out to be fine. I prefer the .net name now because life is all about human networks. This site was just my personal blog from 1995 to 2004.

In 2004 I started writing about the housing bubble, which catapulted the site to national fame for a while. I was interviewed on NPR, on Nightline on TV, and in other corporate media that I have since learned to recognize as poison. Here are my original the articles about the housing bubble (the dates on them are much later because I updated them):

https://patrick.net/post/1282720/2015-07-11-ten-reasons-it-s-a-terrible-time-to
https://patrick.net/post/1282721/2015-07-11-eight-groups-who-lie-about-the-housing
https://patrick.net/post/1282722/2015-07-11-37-bogus-arguments-about-housing

The big housing bubble popped in 2008, and traffic fell, since it was no longer controversial to assert that we really had had a housing bubble.

About then, I decided to just let the public discuss other topics with each other and wrote my own forum software. I'm a programmer, so that was fun. At first I was kind of disturbed at the number of conservatives on the site, but as I discussed things with them and saw San Francisco literally turn to shit under far-left Democrat extremists, I changed my thinking.

And yet I didn't change my thinking all that much, because once again, I'm opposing corruption of government by the oligarchy. Before, my enemy was the NAR (National Association of Realtors) and I still think the NAR is nothing but institutionalized crime, but there are bigger fish to fry now, especially since the worldwide campaign to inject every human with a dangerous and ineffective genetic experiment, which was never approved by the FDA. (They approved "Comirnaty", which is not available, to deceive the public.)

https://tobyrogers.substack.com/p/thinking-points-september-21-2022


It’s like Pharma just backed a truck up to the Progressive Values Factory; stole everything; modified core values in order to maim people, make money, and implement global totalitarianism; and the left is just out there smoking a cigarette on the loading dock saying, “Sounds good to me.” What!? What the heck happened to the left? Is there no one remaining in that tribe who is capable of logic and reason!? Quite literally the worst industry in the world stole the left’s most cherished values and no one on the left is the slightest bit offended by this (even though they are offended by everything else)!? We live in the bizarro upside down world.




I could go on, but you'll get the idea by reading the site.



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438   MrMagic   2019 Jun 15, 12:54pm  

Still have this "flag" B.S. still going on I see.... amazing...
439   CBOEtrader   2019 Jun 15, 1:24pm  

marcus says
So it was mostly ended up being what people thought all along.


Lol, apparently you haven't been watching CNN/MSNBC et all who called him a trailer, etc... All lies. All of it. Every shred .
440   Yajedove   2019 Jun 25, 8:46am  

spam
442   mell   2019 Jun 25, 12:11pm  

CBOEtrader says
https://www.timesofisrael.com/north-korea-compares-obama-to-monkey-in-hacking-row/

Sure. Leaders NEVER called Obama names.


lol also I thought the leftoids are all about eradicating offensive words such as retarded coz feelings! everyone calling Obummer names was rayscyst! Ah but now let's celebrate calling bad orange man a retard! Iran good, orange man bad retard! WTF?? The left has truly gone full retard, most inconsequential and hypocritical movement of modern times.
443   5cdfb   2019 Jul 14, 8:07am  

antiforum
444   Patrick   2019 Jul 16, 8:54am  

@5cdfb That does not sound like me. I doubt I deleted it.

Please make your argument again here (or maybe you just did!) and watch, see that it remains visible.
445   Onvacation   2019 Jul 16, 9:32am  

5cdfb says
offending one of your brainwashed

That's not offensive.

If you can make your point without attacking others it will not be deleted. Some people have a hard time with that.
446   Patrick   2019 Jul 16, 5:15pm  

Onvacation says
If you can make your point without attacking others it will not be deleted. Some people have a hard time with that.


True.

Please do experiments! See that any comment which is not attacking other users or the site is allowed to remain.
447   Onvacation   2019 Jul 16, 6:25pm  

OccasionalCortex says
Onvacation says
That's not offensive.


Is or is not?

It's so hard to write sarcastically.
448   mell   2019 Aug 31, 3:55pm  

CovfefeButDeadly says
When I was a kid every liberal HATED this song. But every liberal supported Axl’s right to write and sing it.

Not one “liberal” today would be ok with it. The left would literally lose their shit over this song, boycott and protest the band and their record company...

www.youtube.com/embed/kgIRClKD4RI


One of my favorite gnr songs. Honestly openly racist and offensive, like most art and music used to be.
449   deearea   2019 Sep 23, 2:04pm  

spam
450   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2019 Oct 25, 2:39pm  

DoofusRicky says
That's exactly what I'm talking about.


Another screen name the DNC lets out of the box every six months.
451   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2019 Oct 27, 12:46pm  

DoofusRicky says
On the 'Freedom to offend' website, you will get censored for typing out "That's exactly what I'm talking about".

You can't make this stuff up. Brother Patrick, I implore you to reconsider your policies.


Why?

You post here every few years.
452   Patrick   2019 Oct 27, 1:40pm  

DoofusRicky says
On the 'Freedom to offend' website, you will get censored for typing out "That's exactly what I'm talking about".

You can't make this stuff up. Brother Patrick, I implore you to reconsider your policies.


Reconsider the policy of not allowing users to personally insult each other? Nope. It works well and is the right thing to do.

You consistently deliberately insult the other users personally, and then insult the site for flagging your insults.

Don't do that, and nothing will be flagged. Try this simple experiment: register with a new email that I cannot possibly know about, and don't insult the other users or the site. Note how nothing gets flagged then!

If you really feel the need to shit on people, do it somewhere else.
453   Patrick   2019 Oct 29, 10:09am  

DoofusRicky says
You deleted a single post that read merely "That's exactly what I'm talking about."


One of the rules is not to insult the site itself. Making up false claims about the site is insulting it.

Please come up with a comment of yours that was flagged, but is not actually insulting the site or another user. If it was flagged by someone by mistake, I can undo that.

Note that flagged comments can be edited by you, thus you can see what they say by clicking "edit".

DoofusRicky says
Another screen name the DNC lets out of the box every six months.


You could flag that. I just want people to discuss issues and not each other or the site.
454   WookieMan   2019 Oct 29, 10:11am  

DoofusRicky says
I have not even perused your small part of the web for many months

I think Patrick has been clear on his stance. You're free to do what you want, but maybe go back to what you have been doing and not peruse this small part of the web? No one is forcing you or anyone to be here. It's difficult to take one seriously when they complain about a site, yet here they are. Strange.

Beauty of the internet is anyone can create their own site like this. Patrick has even offered the "keys" to mimic this exact site with your own content. Take his offer up and create compelling content that people will adore. Until then, just follow the rules I suppose or don't show up. It's not your site.
455   Patrick   2019 Oct 29, 10:25am  

Yes, that.

Thanks @WookieMan
456   Patrick   2019 Oct 29, 11:01am  

If you're not happy with the site, there are zillions of others.
457   Onvacation   2019 Oct 29, 11:25am  

DoofusRicky says
It's just a shame considering what you had before.

A free for all where debate often devolved into personal attack and name calling. Bring facts to the debate and spew hate elsewhere.
458   WookieMan   2019 Oct 29, 11:37am  

DoofusRicky says
Clearly you are happy with the result.

Not what he said. Find me a site where every user is happy, let alone the person running it? Won't happen.
DoofusRicky says
It's just a shame considering what you had before.

Are you talking about housing? The core of that is still around from time to time. The reality is that housing is pretty stabile now. Sure prices are high, but no evidence of a "crash" coming outside of maybe a few coastal areas. And even then it's nothing dramatic.

The site evolved. Everyone can sit here and talk about a non-story everyday (housing) and eventually there'd be no one here. So politics have become the headlines now. Everyone is free to bring up any topic they want though. Us users can kind of make the site whatever we want. Right now it happens to be politics. I'm personally not a fan of national politics, but I still make my way here at least weekly and certain times daily. And some of the characters here are hysterical. Even some that I don't agree with. It's just fun and not serious.

Without bashing, what's your vision of the site? What was so good about that past that you'd want to come back again? You sound like a past user with a different name now and coding your writing as a disguise. Which is fine. Patrick has seemingly always been open to constructive criticism about the site. You just keep waxing poetically on the past with no suggestions. How about you just tell him?
459   WookieMan   2019 Oct 29, 12:06pm  

DoofusRicky says
WookieMan says
What was so good about that past that you'd want to come back again?


Have I not answered that question in spades?

No, not really. Content and meetups? You can post any content you want and comment on any you want. Set up a meetup and see if people will come. I don't think by the standards of the West Coast Patrick was receiving any donations of value that made running the site worth it or profitable by any means.

What do you want specifically to come back from the past? That made the site better in your mind (without bashing)? Nothing is stopping you from creating content, setting up a meetup and donating. Please explain what you actually want?
460   Onvacation   2019 Oct 29, 1:07pm  

DoofusRicky says
However it is much harder to argue with my list of real tangible results. Is this not the case?

Patrick used to make SO MUCH MONEY for Patrick when iwog and Dan were calling everyone idiots.
461   Onvacation   2019 Oct 29, 1:08pm  

jazz_music says
Like they’re obese and have iPhones, right.

Just mocking idiocracy when I see it.
462   WookieMan   2019 Oct 29, 1:30pm  

DoofusRicky says
Although you tried to sabotage my list of facts, they remain facts.

What facts? It's a website. All you're stating is opinions. Whether you want to like it or not, that's what they are. Users are more than welcome to donate, set up meetups and post content they want. I don't understand what the issue is. You seem to be taking issue with something that is wholly in your control, yet you blame it on Patrick and his site?

You have the keys to the car, but are acting like you don't know how to unlock the door to get in. Or that you got a free car you don't like and refuse to get in. Move on then, find a better vehicle.
463   Patrick   2019 Oct 29, 1:32pm  

Deleting DoofusRicky for insulting the site over and over instead of debating issues with good will like almost everyone else here.

Sick of it.
464   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2019 Oct 29, 2:13pm  

Patrick says
DoofusRicky says
You deleted a single post that read merely "That's exactly what I'm talking about."


One of the rules is not to insult the site itself. Making up false claims about the site is insulting it.

Please come up with a comment of yours that was flagged, but is not actually insulting the site or another user. If it was flagged by someone by mistake, I can undo that.

Note that flagged comments can be edited by you, thus you can see what they say by clicking "edit".

DoofusRicky says
Another screen name the DNC lets out of the box every six months.


You could flag that. I just want people to discuss issues and not each other or the site.


I do find it curious how dormant accounts spring to life all at once.
465   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2019 Oct 29, 2:15pm  

jazz_music says
Patrick says
expressing a sincerely held point of view with good will
How can we get more of that?


From the guy who links to leftist propaganda sites nearly exclusively?
466   Patrick   2019 Oct 29, 2:19pm  

C'mon, that's personal. It's about him instead of the arguments.

Let's refute the leftist propaganda with facts and arguments, or if you really don't want to see the guy, put him on ignore.
467   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Oct 29, 3:26pm  

jazz_music says
Content that is so great, you got to repeat it incessantly.


"...Trumpards"
468   WookieMan   2019 Nov 1, 2:58pm  

OccasionalCortex says
Hilarious how? He was just FUCKING TROLLING YOU and you kept responding to him like he was engaging seriously.

Disagree. I'm almost positive it was an old user changing his writing style. Not that it's still not trolling I suppose, but there was another motive, likely childish. If there was a way to prove it, I'd bet good money on who it was, but I don't think that's possible.

I also shouldn't be talking about other users. Needless to say the whole "meetup" topic was a dead give away. He wanted the attention like he always has.
469   WookieMan   2019 Nov 1, 3:48pm  

OccasionalCortex says
WookieMan says
Disagree. I'm almost positive it was an old user changing his writing style. Not that it's still not trolling I suppose, but there was another motive, likely childish. If there was a way to prove it, I'd bet good money on who it was, but I don't think that's possible.

I also shouldn't be talking about other users. Needless to say the whole "meetup" topic was a dead give away. He wanted the attention like he always has.


Ummm...every word you just wrote after 'Disagree' SUPPORTS my entire contention, actually.

True. I just wouldn't categorize it in the typical trolling category though. It's specific to this specific site. This exact type of trolling doesn't work on another site. Hard to classify it really. Surprised he's come back at all.
470   Onvacation   2019 Nov 1, 5:06pm  

jazz_music says
Onvacation says
Just mocking idiocracy when I see it.
No, you are heckling commenters who say things outside the alt right bubble. —not in any way related to government and whether or not it is idiotic.

As if you speak for the real world. You don’t. Too many of you men are taken by right wing populist alternative facts, (lies) fantasies and conspiracies.

And that is virtue signaling to your brotherhood, all victims of the poor, the immigrants, the races and women. You sandbag personal comments using “we” to feign authority.

All marching to make the rich richer come what may.

No, just mocking idiocracy when I see it.
471   Onvacation   2019 Nov 1, 5:10pm  

jazz_music says
Too many of you men are taken by right wing populist alternative facts

How dare you assume my gender. Next you will accuse me of having white privilege!

Anyone that wants to work can be successful in America. Even if you don't want to work the government will give you a cell phone and enough food to make you obese.

Idiocracy.
473   Patrick   2019 Nov 22, 7:23am  

There are backups every night at 3am California time. If it was from today after the backup then it's really gone.

From the date in the url it looks like it was from today. Sorry about that.

Maybe I should make deletions work differently.
474   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Nov 22, 11:12am  

Dammit @Patrick, I did it again with the Trans Thread I had on Chicago PS 211. Maybe I gotta reposition my mouse and keyboard.
475   Patrick   2019 Nov 23, 12:31pm  

Ah, it really is a bug! Thanks for bringing my attention to it.

There should be a popup confirmation that you really want to delete. I will fix that.
476   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Nov 23, 1:14pm  

Thanks Pat!
477   Patrick   2019 Nov 30, 6:00pm  

@NoCoupForYou

OK, if you hold down the shift key and reload, the new javascript should give you a popup confirmation before you delete a post.

Let me know if it doesn't work. Sorry for the delay.

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