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Tim Aurora says

There is enough evidence that Trump pressured a dependent foreign Govt for his own political gain.

There is solid video evidence that Biden pressured a dependent foreign Govt for his own financial gain. Which is worse?

Now you know why Democrats will lose 2020. Stupid is what stupid does.

Tim Aurora says

then it should become a precedent and norm and tomorrow Democrats should be allowed to do that.

You're joking, right? They did do that. Hillary and company in 2016. Everyone does it. It's a problem now for some reason? Impeachable?

People need to open their eyes. Trump is flawed in many ways, but he's opening the curtain behind the bureaucracy and political bull shit that's gone on far too long. He knows the game. He played it via donations and greasing the wheels of politics to get his real estate deals done in the past. The average American doesn't understand this at all and has a completely uneducated opinion about how the system works. If you haven't done work in high level government either on the public side or private, you'll never understand. It's just Trump is bad.

I don't like Trump, but I bet in 6-8 years you'll be singing his praises or will have vanished from this site.

Tim Aurora says

WookieMan says

They did do that. Hillary and company in 2016

Which government did Hillary ask to probe Trump. ( understand the word Govt not individuals)

OUR OWN GOVERNMENT FOR CHRIST SAKE!!!!! This has to be sarcasm.

There's a reason I avoided political threads here for so long. Blind loyalty. Our populous has been so dumbed down it's scary. Enjoy the impeachment. Not one person here advocating for it understands a god damn thing about it.

HEYYOU says

5 time draft dodging

What boomer didn't try this? Generation of cowards. Sorry.
HEYYOU says

multiple adulterer,sexual pervert.

You've just described 50% of the human race. lol.
HEYYOU says

Hope their daughters' & granddaughters' little pussies get grabbed.

They probably will and they'll probably like it or want it. Again, human nature.
HEYYOU says

Just received my property tax bill increased by you God Damn Republicans.

Highly unlikely. Republicans are dishonest, but at the local level they generally stick to low taxes. If you're talking about SALT deductions, that's on your state as a whole and likely not Republicans.

I don’t want Americans replaced by foreigners. 100% against outsourcing, no matter excuse.

Tim Aurora says

Fortwaynemobile says

Replacing Americans with illegals and H1Bs for profit is the biggest game.

It is up to Americans to decide if they want highly skilled here or the highly skilled Jobs to to other countries. I have no preference either way. Canada and Australia are going to benefit from that.

jazz_music says

STOP CHASING AWAY COMMENTERS

You're still here. That is a good sign. The cognitive dissonance between real facts and what you hear on wherever you get your "facts" from will hopefully drive you to question why Trump has unhinged you and made you so angry. I really do think you have some good ideas and I have liked it when you say sensible things.

I just don't understand why people suffer from TDS. Ten years ago Trump was a popular icon among people of all races, colors, and creeds. I thought he was a reality show clown. Again, I did not vote for him, I voted against Hillary. If the democrats come up with a good candidate that has the interest of AMERICA and its core values of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness I will vote for they. If they keep offering candidates full of hate and socialism, they'll lose.

#sendthemback

jazz_music says

This TDS comment ads no value and betrays a narcissistic tactic of abuse as if the commentor has authority to diagnose when you don’t.

What does Trumptard mean?

What has been happening, really since the 60s, is that the Left takes the alleged "moral highground" under the guise of Tolerance, and either scolds or shreiks until it gets what it wants.
Each time, they only want "Don't ask, don't tell" or a "Meritocracy jump started by limited affirmative action hiring and recruiting".
As soon as they get that, it's on to "Civil Partnership and neutrality on gays in the military? NOT ENOUGH BIGOT, FULL MARRIAGE EQUITY NOW! And Wax muh Balls, Cis Scum! And you can't exempt your kids from the Drag Queen Gender Bender part of the K-12 Curriculum!" or "End Toxic Masculinity and Whiteness"

The normal thing was for some bowtied mild mannered conservative to say "Tsk, tsk, let us go slow." in the face of "STOP OPPRESSION NOW, YOU BIGOT!"

What is happening is that people woke up and realized not only is normal behavior frowned upon and the wisdom of millenia actively opposed by powerful institutions, but the Left wants everybody grinding flour by hand mill and sweltering when the solar panels can't keep the AC on.

And they're pissed, and they're slapping back, for the time time. They've realized that putting up process obstacles on everything from Abortion to Zoophilia doesn't work.
They've realized the goal of the alleged oppressed isn't Tolerance, but Marcusian Fake Tolerance, aka Censorship, aka the "Oppressed" becoming the "Oppressor"
The "Oppressed" oppose all that is good an successful, from Monogamous Two-Parent Families to the Literal Concept of Time and Punctuality as "Oppressive Whiteness"
We've got to turn the car around instead of trying to keep the foot on the ever more worn out brake pedals.

Patton noted that nobody won a war by defending; Conservatives cannot slow down the crazy train, they have to flip the switch so the Train goes back to Happy Town.

The darkest secret in US Life is that the #1 Cause of abused children, underperformance in school and life, laziness, etc. are Single Mother households. Many are starting to become aware, despite the desperation of left-dominated sociology to underplay that and instead emphasize racial or class disparity.

The George Will / Compassionate Conservative era is over. The era of Trumpian Slap Back has begun.

Question Libtard Authority. It starts by making sure every Leftist is confronted with Baltimore and Chicago and NOLA as the cesspits they are BECAUSE of Leftist Policy.

And the Left can't stand being on the defensive.

NoCoupForYou says

What does Trumptard mean?

NoCoupForYou says

Question Libtard Authority.

Trumptard is the opposite of libtard. Both describe someone who blindly supports their side regardless of facts. I don't think either of these groups post here.

Everyone has something to offer. If we can kindly change minds or let our minds be changed we can change the world from this greedy, polluted, corrupt, state back into something like it was meant to be. I don't hate anyone willing to debate me, but I will mock you if you get ridiculous.

Tim Aurora says

I hope to be right on Trump.

Which Dem Candidate would you support for prez?

Tim Aurora says

Trump was always a bullshitters.

Agreed.

I especially like that time he took out vince mcmahon.

www.youtube.com/embed/ZEDP5-O9MZI

I'm still not certain it's not all theatre. I just didn't want to go through the Hillary horror show.

WaltertheoFlanders says

Which is ok, the problem is when one asks a foreign government. Is the United States a foreign government? Did you not understand the difference?

It's exponentially more dangerous to us for our OWN government's intelligence assets to be used against someone ACTUALLY running for POTUS. Do you not understand the difference?

WTF? Twighlight zone... Like the fucking Ukraine or Russia have a fraction of a percentage of intelligence that the US does. And it was weaponized and used against a person running for POTUS. This is 100% undeniable. The actions of Hillary and her cohorts making up complete bull shit to abuse the FISA courts is 100% the worsts threat that has occurred in recent history in the US.

You don't have to like Trump. I'm personally not that fond of him, but so far not one of his policies have hurt me too much. I'm one of the weird one's that didn't actually get a tax cut, while most did (SALT cap). But feelings shouldn't dictate that maybe 1/3 of the country has a 3 year temper tantrum and continually makes up completely bogus and bull shit stuff to try and out a sitting President. I'm waiting for the next charge that he jaywalked..... ahhhhhhhhh impeach.... Jesus

Tim Aurora says

Found this on the internet

I live surrounded by members of the Trump/GOP Cult, including members of my own family.
And what I Understand is that Nothing, No Facts, No Irrefutable Truths, no acts of Undeniable Criminality or Ethical Failings shall deter them from their worship of the Organized Crime Boss living in the White House.
It's not about Trump the Man to them, it's much bigger. They have with the Trump Era an opportunity to express their resentment to Change and Modernization and to reject our growing Multi Cultural society where women are equals and white "privilege" is no longer automatic.
And all attempts to reign in Trumps criminal impulses is a direct threat to their sense of self and place in society.
The anger they hold is deep and growing worse every day. And it's that unbridled anger that Frightens GOP Lawmakers that are not "true believers".
Only the People can change this. The last best chance to save our Democracy will be next November. If Tr...

We can all find stupid on the internet. Why post something this delusional here?

WaltertheoFlanders says

Nancy P is doing a great job. What exactly are you trying to say that she isn't doing right

Well the budgets she’s delivered for signing sure are heavy on the deficit! Or were you planning to blame all that on Trump?

You are willing to pay for a more sturdy wall?

I thought you Democrat’s cried crocodile tears over this fence.

WaltertheoFlanders says

What a fucking waste. This illustrates why I don't believe our realtor in Chief.

So the wall is worse than our previous protection then? Interesting... I appreciate you being honest about open borders at least.

Illegal immigration is not a victimless crime. I suppose we should legalize rape next... Sure it's a leap, but not wanting to stop what is probably our largest security threat and threat to citizen's well being (jobs and physical well being) is pretty important in my book. But hey, we put something in place to slow 'em down and that's a bad thing all a sudden? Something Democrats are all a sudden flipping opinions on. Jesus....

WaltertheoFlanders says

we should come up with a more 21 century way to protect the border

Great idea! We can add sensors and cameras to the wall and then dispatch reaper drones.

Booger says

Nice summary.

WaltertheoFlanders says

It's funny you tried to make an account acting like you aren't a tRump supporter but you have been taken by all their conspiracy theories.

Lol. Yup, made my account in 2012 (after 4 years of lurking) because I'm a Trump supporter. I've been waiting years for this to happen and now it's my time to shine!!!!

I'm glad you're okay with our own government investigating a presidential candidate. The fact that doesn't scare you is alarming. A slimy career politician made an attempt to knock someone out of a race by using our own government against Trump. This whole Ukraine thing (Trump or Biden) is a fucking joke and has zero bearing on the future of our country. Until Trump goes after the Democrat that is ACTUALLY running for President, this all is a pity party from losers.

Sorry Hillary got her nuts kicked in by a real estate developer. You're not going to win them all. It's okay to stop the temper tantrum at some point though. The adults are getting sick of it.

Onvacation says

WaltertheoFlanders says

we should come up with a more 21 century way to protect the border

Add sensors and cameras.

Zero tolerance, come illegally and never have the possibility to be a US citizen.

Mines

E-Verify is an answer. Sadly, it was not introduced when Trump had majorities both in House and Senate, showing that perhaps he is just as full of hot air as all other politicians WRT to illegal immigration.

6rdB says

E-Verify is an answer. Sadly, it was not introduced when Trump had majorities both in House and Senate, showing that perhaps he is just as full of hot air as all other politicians WRT to illegal immigration.

This is true. Unfortunately, just like the Mexicans with saws are cutting through the fence, business will find loopholes with E-Verify to go through if forcefully enacted. It has to be multi faceted with E-Verify and tons of other stuff. For some here to pretend like a wall does nothing is hysterical though. Didn't know so many Americans either lost their common sense or never had it in the first place.

WaltertheoFlanders says

tRump has had 3 years to gather evidence and yet the only thing I hear is how some dossier is the only thing that got Hillary a FISA warrent.

Evidence of what? I never claimed what Hillary did was illegal. She hired someone to make up bull shit claims to get a warrant. Some secret court (to most of the American public) made a decision to allow intelligence agencies to look into things. A shit decision was made by that court to allow it. While the way it was done was highly unethical, no where am I stating it was illegal and "lock her up." I'm not the guy you think I am with regards to Trump.

WaltertheoFlanders says

Tell me, what is tRump doing to get rid of the Patriot act and the FISA court. Jack shit, that's what he's doing.

You know the fucking reason. Not sure if you're being obtuse on purpose or sarcastic or what. Trump is going to use the FISA court now knowing it's legal. Hillary and Obama started a dangerous precedent. Although I'm not certain Trump will need to use the FISA court as this whole impeachment stuff is better than a SNL episode when it was actually good.

6rdB says

E-Verify is an answer. Sadly, it was not introduced when Trump had majorities both in House and Senate

Saying the Republicans had control of the Senate and the House, with assholes like Paul Ryan and Chuck Grassley, is a joke.
The Establishment had control of the Senate and the House, just like it does right now. If the GOP allows Lindsey Graham to serve out until after the 2020 elections.
Then every GOP Cock Sucker in Washington needs to be voted out, that is not a Member of the Freedom Caucus. and has over 2 hours of Youtube footage actually Questioning these traitorous fools in Nadler's Kangaroo Courts. Remember that's limited to 5 minutes of questioning at a time!


The Republican party the shitbirds keep squawking about, is a dead political party with no power or place in the NWO obstruction Trump has brought about. They have been relegated to all sitting on one side of the boat, to try to flip the boat over and derail Trump. Even if means, giving the country up to Muslims and Commies. The party been commandeered by the Patriots. The people interested in saving this country from a Communist and depraved immoral fate. There's about 70 million of us, so there's THAT!

It’s always easier to destroy than to create.

That’s why we should never try to create anything!

Right?

Or am I sounding like a Democrat?

OH!! And Trump supporters will be able to articulate why they're Revolting.

Your CNN feelz will be no match for their well reasoned kick in the teeth.

Just have drones equipped with .223 NATO round automatic guns perched on the wall every half a mile or so. If a breach is attempted and detected, launch the nearest drone and perforate the offender.
Easy!
If the Mexican government complains, tell them to stay on their side of the wall!

TDS. Nothing drones equipped with gatling m134s and landmines can't fix.

The impeachment hoax is a continuation of the Russia Hoax and it's just because the panic of the lame Democrats is so severe they've lost complete control of their own emotions.

Among the liberal lefties I know, they generally have a problem of control of their emotions; an exception was my father who was very cool and calm but said he had "socialist tendencies." I think he had them for the same reason Roosevelt had them; a mild sense of superiority.

Either way, the Democrats are now also scared about Obama's lackeys at the FBI and CIA etc. being prosecuted for illegally spying on Trump before and after he was elected president. I say "illegally spying" because they lied to get FISA approval for spying on him.

The Deep State twerps thought that Obama, Hillary and their ilk would protect them; ooops. That didn't work for the guys who did bad things for Hitler either; "I was following orders!"

Wow things will be fun in 2020; the gloves will be fully off and a lot of guys we saw badmouthing Trump on CNN will be lawyering up and spending vast fortunes to keep themselves out of the joint.

Tenpoundbass says

Saying the Republicans had control of the Senate and the House, with assholes like Paul Ryan and Chuck Grassley, is a joke.

It Trump would have forced a vote on this, then RINOS would be out of their jobs in next election. He did not force a vote.

clambo says

I say "illegally spying" because they lied to get FISA approval for spying on him.

It was a lie for sure. But I don't think it was technically illegal. Not sure it works the same as standard courts where you're under oath. I think the deciding Judge(s) believed it and that wasn't a breach of protocol. I think it was a flawed system and slimy cunt Clinton knew it.

But hey, Trump says mean things. Let's ignore what Hillary did whether legal or not. She tried to usurp the democratic process of how we elect POTUS. She was that insecure of her own popularity to reach this point. I don't understand why the left cannot see Trump as a victory for Democracy. You don't have to like him, but the alternative was frightening given the lengths she went through to try and win against a fucking NYC real estate developer. She's a piece of shit and everyone still having their temper tantrums is only looking dumber by the day.

Ok but a saw isn't going to get a caravan off thousands of people through.

clambo says

Wow things will be fun in 2020; the gloves will be fully off and a lot of guys we saw badmouthing Trump on CNN will be lawyering up and spending vast fortunes to keep themselves out of the joint

No. Just like 2008's criminal bankers, no one will be prosecuted. Political theater, the show goes on.

WaltertheoFlanders says

What other evidence got the visa warrent?

Exactly!!! The FISA courts issued a warrant. What evidence did they have to do so? You're catching on. We know a warrant was issued on complete shit allegations, through a flimsy back door court. And you seemingly are okay with this because you don't like Trump? I'd be pissed if this happened to Hillary. She, with the help of Obama used government mechanisms to try and take down a political opponent that was actually on the ballot for President. It's unprecedented whether legal or not.

WaltertheoFlanders says

Are you saying that isn't important information to know before one passes judgment?

WTF are you talking about? The court did exactly that. They passed judgement on information that they didn't know if it was true or not. In a vast majority of other warrants produced by that court they would never have accepted something as flimsy as what Hillary and company provided.

You're getting caught up in evidence and legality of it. It was most likely legal. They knew how to game the system to try and get dirt on Trump and anyone involved with him. It's legal in some countries to fuck 15 year old girls, that doesn't make it right. Trump has no intention of closing the loophole now that Obama and Hillary opened it up for all to see. I'm sure Congress could do it at some point too, but hey, Trump is a dictator and IS the legislative branch now too.

You're missing the entire point of what a lot of Trump supports see (I'm not one). They gamed a back room warrant system, during an election for the highest office in the land. The hilarious part is.... THEY. GOT. NOTHING! They had free reign to do what they wanted and NOTHING from an NYC real estate developer. I'll keep saying that too as I know it hurts the soft feelings of those on the far left. At least two house members didn't go full retard like the rest. You've got right house members that fucking hate Trump and not one of them flipped. Eye opening.

Remember. Most these guys and gals are attorneys. This is purely partisan. You don't defend something you think you'll lose. You'll get your ass handed to you later by everyone. Plenty of Republicans could have flipped because they knew what the vote was going to be. Not one single fucking one of them did.

WaltertheoFlanders says

Lol, and slimy cunt tRump doesn't? Where are the calls to end the FISA court? It's crazy how gullible some Americans are.

Lol, words matter. Never said Trump wasn't slimy. I specifically said he'd keep the FISA court. If what Hillary & Obama did was legal, he's just going to do the same. You're neglecting to call out the people that used this court to fuck with our election process. It seems people are just upset they got caught, didn't win and now Trump is president.

WaltertheoFlanders says

So why if Hillary did something illegal, is tRump not doing anything about it?

He's clearly not and it pisses off his base. I said it earlier, you're mistaking me for someone I am not. He's gaming the system to his advantage now and the left has none other than Hillary and Obama to blame. The left created this monster and are by default the cause of their own unhappiness with Trump. They've literally decided it was best to shoot their foot with a nuke instead of a 9mm.

The media and even our own government have had ample opportunity to investigate and do whatever they wanted basically. NOTHING. I'm not a supporter, just looking at the reality of the landscape in front of me and not being naive. I'd have been totally willing to vote for a Democrat in 2020 if they provided even ONE decent candidate. And that's saying something running against Trump. The '16 loss compounded with having absolute shit running in 2020 has almost sealed the deal for Trump 13 months ahead of the election and they fucking know it. AHHHHHHH Impeachment.

WaltertheoFlanders says

Did he sign it?

This is about your
Claim that Pelosi is doing so
Great.


If Trump didn’t sign it, you’d scream bloody
Murder