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marcus says

Why is it that I'm far more willing to acknowledge the identity politics on the right that I don't like, than you are on the right.

What specifically are you talking about? I dont accept racism. Do you?

CBOEtrader says

marcus says

Why is it that I'm far more willing to acknowledge the identity politics on the right that I don't like, than you are on the right.

What specifically are you talking about? I dont accept racism. Do you?

CBOE has a point. What right wing identity politics are you talking about Marcus?

marcus says

You people

That's considered racist because you are generalizing a whole group by their anonymous and often ill defined online personas.

Can't you see that that is (fillinblank)IST!

marcus says

You people totally deny the racism on the right that makes Trump possible.

Please define what you mean by "You people" and "racism on the right"?

marcus says

Okay so there are racists on the left.

Fixed. The left is the party of identity politics.

CBOEtrader says

What specifically are you talking about?

TYpo. I meant that I'm more willing to recognize the identity politics and sjw nonsense on the left, than you are willing to acknoledge the racist on the right.

Please Marcus. I will give you one chance. List your best example of racism on the right that is ignored by moderates on the right.

in the mean time left ignores reality of who actually behave like Nazis:

willywonka says

marcus says

CBOEtrader says

What specifically are you talking about?

TYpo. I meant that I'm more willing to recognize the identity politics and sjw nonsense on the left, than you are willing to acknoledge the racist on the right.

Examples please

marcus says

I meant that I'm more willing to recognize the identity politics and sjw nonsense on the left, than you are willing to acknoledge the racist on the right.

Are you talking about the KKK? Noone is arguing for people like that.

We are cutting to the core of two worldviews though. The left assumes racism is both rampant and obvious amongst the right... and it's all a big lie, afaik. Racists, like the KKK, are shunned from "the right" and only relevant politically as brainwashing tools from the left (see the 20x articles about the KKK around election time, for example).

Meanwhile the left is embracing its anti white, anti male, anti logical questioning of the cult of diversity and equating every wrong thinker to nazis. "Maga hats, the new swastika" is cancerous, extremist, violent, disgusting, hateful speech that only comes from todays left.

So marcus, can you acknowledge these "identity politics" flaws from todays left?

Now your turn to list what the right is doing that is comparably bad, cause I dont see it.

Why is anyone commenting on this thread? I think our OP is just trying to fuck with people here at this point.

No, that was personal so I marked it as such now.

jazz_music says

White men wear these MAGA hats declaring the same brotherhood authoritarianism insider membership as symbolic of the us versus them dynamics.

Women may wear them just to please their little warriors.

The author isn’t fucking with you

What about black men wearing MAGA hats, and black women, there's plenty of them.

jazz_music says

White men wear these MAGA hats

jazz_music says

symbolic of the us versus them dynamics.

Also

jazz_music says

anyone can put on a swastika too, what does it mean?

This is what cognitive dissonance looks like. He wants to break out of the matrix, but somehow keeps diving back in

CBOEtrader says

jazz_music says

White men wear these MAGA hats

Fucking Nazis!

Liberal_in_blackface says

Fucking Nazis!

It shocks me how easily the left can not only make up this racist boogeyman BUT they pretend to KNOW this boogeyman to be the sole motivation of the wrongthinkers.

Its propaganda I'd imagine in a comic book, yet todays left buys it.

Gross, dangerous, and sad

CBOEtrader says

So marcus, can you acknowledge these "identity politics" flaws from todays left?

No I don't see what you see at all. I'm the one of us that fully acknowledges extremes on my side, the sjw nonsense, much of which (e.g. painting maleness as toxic) is not at all mainstream moderate left.

Where as the only racism you will admit on the right is KKK. Give me a break.

If the only white racists voting for Trump that you will acknowledge are KKK, then our conversation can not even begin.

I will always know in my heart of hearts, that a douchebag of Trumps magnitude could never have been elected (or tolerated since being elected) if not for the subtle racism and also not so subtle ("we're being invaded" even though border security was massively increased in the Obama era), not even running against Hillary.

And I will go a step further saying that the kind of racism I see, some subtle, and much not so subtle, is on display very regularly on this forum.

LOL, couple of Fays booing, the rest of the crowd is cheering.

www.youtube.com/embed/dKcR8e65yUw

So no actual examples of racism in the mainstream right? Okay, thanks.

marcus says

Where as the only racism you will admit on the right is KKK. Give me a break.

Racism is not a driving factor in rightwing political circles. Your point about the wall above is noted, we just disagree.

You seem to think the way trump sold the wall was via racism, therefore clinton/obama and I suppose even bush were NOT racist for wanting boarder security. Somehow trump actually getting it done is racism in action though. Sorry I dont agree w your logic, but ok.

Also, I do see racism as well as classism, bigotry, misandry to all be openly accepted political objectives from the left. When "Its ok to be white" it widely reported as racist and journalists cant write stories about the dangers of cutting off your dong = nazi, we have a problem!

You display the same problem, albeit much less extreme, via grouping Trump supporters in w racists. It is total and complete bigotry on display, unchecked will continue to erode our society.

Bogotry from the left must be stopped, imho. Therefore for the first time in mylife, I will vote for an R in 2020.

If you are in a position to bitch about White people publicly, then you are a recipient of White Privilege.
Go to Africa and bitch about the Black guys running that place now. See how well you and your head fares.

CBOEtrader says

Somehow trump actually getting it done is racism in action though.

Actually Trump has gotten far less done on border security than Obama. Trump just managed to get elected by getting you and the other right wingers to believe there is an invasion and only he could fix it.

I've put the stats up probably a dozen times, but you don't want to know.









CBOEtrader says

Therefore for the first time in mylife, I will vote for an R in 2020.

Your lord works in mysterious ways.

if this took place microsoft stock would quadruple...

NoCoupForYou says

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marcus says

I've put the stats up probably a dozen times, but you don't want to know.

Stats mean dick without context. Cool, apprehensions are down when Trump took over. Number of border agents as well. Great. Great info. Is the number of people entering and STAYING here higher or lower? That's the only stat that matters. Are more illegals being removed as well? I don't know, but these tables and graphs are misleading if the point is overall reduced illegal immigration. These mean nothing to the conversation.

If we can reduce government pensioners from the payroll AND reduce the number of illegals I'd say that's an overall win. Sucks for the BP agents, but many more will likely benefit at the cost of a few. They can also transition into other careers easier than most. Not sure your stats are doing what you think they are without stats to show illegal immigration itself is INCREASING under Trump. These mean nothing otherwise.

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Your not being willing to comprehend them, is vastly different than them having no meaning.

The stats are also out there about the number of illegal aliens actually decreasing over the same period. THat is, more leaving than coming in.

Trump saying he was going to basically lock the door probably caused a major uptick.

> marcus

I'll join the chorus of those who invite you to provide examples of racism on the right that are tolerated by moderate rights. You made a statement, you've been asked for examples, and so far it's been crickets.

While at it. You also stated that, on the contrary, you are willing to recognize the identity politics and sjw nonsense on the left. Are there examples of it on this board?

I wonder which is more useless; a nothingburger or a bullshitburger?

What's funny is how Nadler got completely sidelined.

You'd think the Chairman of the Judiciary Committee would be in charge of an Impeachment Probe.

CBOEtrader says

Bogotry from the left must be stopped, imho. Therefore for the first time in mylife, I will vote for an R in 2020.

Agreed. I'd go even further and call it self-preservation for the family. There's no reason for any Caucasian or Asian (man or woman), or any straight male or any Christian to vote Democrat.

jazz_music says

RafiMaas says

We can't talk about the moderation of the site. Lol

It's evident that some moderators are the type of person who shouldn't have the slightest authority.

BS!
This site is the least heavy handed of any forum I’ve seen. Some like The Hill are so militant that they will delete any post that makes a salient conservative point. This forum is wide open in contrast. Just don’t talk about other users specifically or be anti-forum.
I get censored here now and then as well when one of you get me riled enough to name names.

marcus says

will always know in my heart of hearts, that a douchebag of Trumps magnitude could never have been elected (or tolerated since being elected) if not for the subtle racism and also not so subtle ("we're being invaded" even though border security was massively increased in the Obama era), not even running against Hillary.

And I will go a step further saying that the kind of racism I see, some subtle, and much not so subtle, is on display very regularly on this forum.

This forum is free speech so yah we have racist memes being posted now and then. Patrick refuses to censor based on content so that’s where things are. Some like zzyyz may harbor deep animosity towards minorities especially blacks. I don’t have those same feelings toward blacks people, but then again I don’t live in Baltimore where I’d be exposed daily to the worst black people in America.
Hell, my worst enemies so far have been Croatians, those giant assholes of the near East, white as you can be, with bully personalities and extreme racists to boot.
I can’t even deal with those people.
I guess there are always going to be groups that fit a negative stereotype well enough to make generalizations fairly accurate. Doesn’t mean that doing so is right, but it IS HUMAN. Our brains are set to find and exploit patterns, in an attempt to deal with situations where we find ourselves faced with choices and incomplete information. Which are most of our choices. We have to draw on past experiences to inform our choices, since not much is known about most situations we face. Incomplete or little information is the normal situation for human decision process. You can’t know it all, and when it comes to people you can’t know even a significant fraction of the relevant information.

So we use stereotypes where they’ve seemed appropriate. These can range from behavioral (that kid seems autistic) to religious (that guy is Muslim, don’t offer him a sausage) to cultural (she’s Vietnamese, which explains why she’s chasing her kids around the playground with a bowl of rice and a spoon) to (sadly) ethnic.

To what end? Trump is still bitch slapping those pathetic snot whistle losers.

marcus says

Your not being willing to comprehend them, is vastly different than them having no meaning.

I presume you know what fiscal years are, right? DHS (and BP) only has data on FY17 on their site (basically what you posted). Executive orders can only do so much in a little over 9 months, with a budget you didn't approve as POTUS. Then account for a POTUS that had to run through all sorts of bullshit to get people just approved to help run the government. You'd defend Obama (and so would I) if the same occurred to him, as hostile as congress was towards Trump.

Once the FY18 data comes out, then you can start throwing shade at him over immigration and illegals. Otherwise the condescending tone can hold off until there are ACTUAL stats to bash Trump on regarding this topic. I understand stats, but there are no 100% attributable stats to Trump that are available at this time. Taking months to even get a staff approved (where needed) really doesn't help and I think even you can acknowledge that. This isn't a defense, just seeing the reality of the situation with no pony in the race.

How does this affect me?
I can’t see how.

Keep in mind the "Trump cult" is the only place to escape the "Woke cult".
Many are there just for that reason.

Trump is not a cult leader just because he can end the world, correct?
A cult is a cult.

This is what a cult is: