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Corona virus (more correctly, Wuhan virus)


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2020 Jan 24, 12:33pm   183,510 views  3,363 comments

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Anyone wants to risk a bet on the eventual number of sick people? Dead people?

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1072   Booger   2020 Mar 22, 1:02pm  

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/health/coronavirus-united-states-deaths/

Here's what we know about the 100 people who've died in the US from coronavirus
1074   mell   2020 Mar 22, 2:17pm  

CA (esp. bay area), WA are showing a flattening of the curve as does Europe, but you won't hear this in the media for while. Their agenda is clear.
1075   Patrick   2020 Mar 22, 2:58pm  

Got number for CA mell?

Let's make some graphs that the media won't make.
1076   mell   2020 Mar 22, 3:12pm  

California 1,555 +164 29 +5 6 1,520

The per state list you can get bey clicking on the USA link on the main site referenced earlier. The numbers will be final roughly by 4 AM GMT as there is late reporting, so they will likely still grow for the next few hours. The only thing that site is missing is a graph. It would be awesome if we could provide some there, as well as storing the data from the days before so you can actually model trends.
1077   Patrick   2020 Mar 22, 3:52pm  

Right, no history of the previous CA numbers there. Bummer. But they do have some good graphs of the whole US at https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ :



1078   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 Mar 22, 4:06pm  

Seniors are driving all over the place, stopping at the DD Drive Through, My Mom went to Walgreens and ended up with some vitamins only, went to Publix, even though her pantry is overflowing with Mac N' Cheese, Sardines, Corned Beef, Waffles in the Freezer, Puddings, Cans (plural) of Folgers, etc.

I end up with two trash bags everytime I go visit and clean out her kitchen. One lady, alone. She's got more shit than I have in my house with 5 people in it.

So school's closed, while the seniors are out gossiping and going to the Supermarkets just to gawk.

All the ladies and my mom have been out every day this week frivolously gallavanting around, just out of curiosity.

But K-12, closed.

WTF
1079   WookieMan   2020 Mar 22, 5:13pm  

NoCoupForYou says
Seniors are driving all over the place, stopping at the DD Drive Through, My Mom went to Walgreens and ended up with some vitamins only, went to Publix, even though her pantry is overflowing with Mac N' Cheese, Sardines, Corned Beef, Waffles in the Freezer, Puddings, Cans (plural) of Folgers, etc.

I end up with two trash bags everytime I go visit and clean out her kitchen. One lady, alone. She's got more shit than I have in my house with 5 people in it.

So school's closed, while the seniors are out gossiping and going to the Supermarkets just to gawk.

All the ladies and my mom have been out every day this week frivolously gallavanting around, just out of curiosity.

But K-12, closed.

WTF

My mom is taking it super serious. She locked herself down before it was asked of anyone here in IL. She smokes roughly 5 cigs a day, but outside of that is very healthy for someone that's 66.

I personally think if any car with a registration linked to someone 60+, should be pulled over and escorted back home. We can figure out how to get them food or groceries. I'd rather give them $2-5K/mo to stay home and have everything delivered.

I was skeptical at first, but if you're 60+, just stay the fuck home. Call/text a neighbor. The rest of the world can't go on like this because old people think they're invincible.
1080   Booger   2020 Mar 22, 6:06pm  

Germany has an anomalous mortality rate of just 0.4% with 23,921 confirmed cases and 92 deaths
1081   mell   2020 Mar 22, 6:09pm  

We will be coming in around 30% maybe 40% so less than expected. Also CA has 10%-15% growth, same for WA. 20 people died in CA in 2-3 months.Make up your own mind is those are numbers to panic over. 414 deaths in the US - Flu: est. 20k-50k. The plan to isolate the elderly and at risk adults and youth immediately would have been best.
1082   WookieMan   2020 Mar 22, 6:21pm  

mell says
We will be coming in around 30% maybe 40% so less than expected. Also CA has 10%-15% growth, same for WA. 20 people died in CA in 2-3 months.Make up your own mind is those are numbers to panic over. 414 deaths in the US - Flu: est. 20k-50k. The plan to isolate the elderly and at risk adults and youth immediately would have been best.

Lol, just created another thread. A week ago Chicago was more likely to kill a person living in the US... Obviously that's changing and the virus will kill a lot. Just interesting to see the hype and benchmark it agains something else that is more easily controlled.
1083   mell   2020 Mar 22, 6:27pm  

WookieMan says
mell says
We will be coming in around 30% maybe 40% so less than expected. Also CA has 10%-15% growth, same for WA. 20 people died in CA in 2-3 months.Make up your own mind is those are numbers to panic over. 414 deaths in the US - Flu: est. 20k-50k. The plan to isolate the elderly and at risk adults and youth immediately would have been best.

Lol, just created another thread. A week ago Chicago was more likely to kill a person living in the US... Obviously that's changing and the virus will kill a lot. Just interesting to see the hype and benchmark it agains something else that is more easily controlled.


It will kill a few thousand max in the US. The flu killed between 20-50 thousand in the US this season.
1084   RWSGFY   2020 Mar 22, 6:38pm  

NoCoupForYou says
All the ladies and my mom have been out every day this week frivolously gallavanting around, just out of curiosity.


In my neighborhood all cars of young and middle-aged neighbors are sitting on the driveways with rust starting to form on the brake rotors while cars of the geezers are constantly driving in and out of the cul-de-sac. WTAF?
1085   Booger   2020 Mar 22, 6:38pm  

Spanish Corona Virus cases and deaths by age ranges:
1086   clambo   2020 Mar 22, 7:41pm  

The graphs above which Patrick posted indicate a peak on March 20.
I screenshot and sent them to a few people this morning.

I’m curious to see the data next week.

I wash my hands after I go buy some groceries or etc.

I’m a little worried because I am not a spring chicken, but I have good health.

There will be a vaccine and other treatments soon I’m sure.

I worry about something else; in 2025 taxes will go up automatically and then we will be paying for the free money many times over.
1087   mell   2020 Mar 22, 7:47pm  

clambo says
The graphs above which Patrick posted indicate a peak on March 20.
I screenshot and sent them to a few people this morning.

I’m curious to see the data next week.

I wash my hands after I go buy some groceries or etc.

I’m a little worried because I am not a spring chicken, but I have good health.

There will be a vaccine and other treatments soon I’m sure.

I worry about something else; in 2025 taxes will go up automatically and then we will be paying for the free money many times over.


The numbers get updated late around 2-3 hours past 0 gmt, if you look now today was by far the largest increase. But that's mainly for NY. The other states are looking like they're peaking soon or have peaked. If they contain NY we should be fine.
1088   marcus   2020 Mar 22, 8:02pm  

WookieMan says
I was skeptical at first, but if you're 60+, just stay the fuck home.


Death rate might be something like 3% for someone 65 instead of 1% (or less) for someone 40.

The real issue is slowing the total growth out there which for the U.S. has gone from 1625 on March 12, to 33,000 now.

4 days ago it was 9,000

Sure, older people should be more careful, but just like many younger people, many of them will get it. But if all of us that get it, get it later, then the system can better handle it, and there will probably be better treatments, lowering the death rate for everyone.

I think watching deaths is probably the best indicator since testing is catching up, giving possibly exaggerated growth rates based on confirmed cases.

"official" deaths in the US have gone from 41 to 419 in the same 11 day period I mentioned above, a lower growth rate, but super high in this past day. I think both slow down a lot soon from this social distancing. Certainly by the end of this next weekend or so we will see a slow down in the growth rate.
1089   GlobalRoamer   2020 Mar 22, 8:07pm  

Testing Now Available to Anyone. Results in about 30 hours.

Well, since the world's richest nation failed to gear up for the pandemic (we had PLENTY of warning) - people have had to come up with their own ways to survive.

Well, I figured out a way to get a Corona Virus test.

https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20200322001151325?section=national/diplomacy

Korea is now testing everyone coming from Europe or from any infected area.

Also note that EVERYONE is wearing masks (the #1 social distancing device and preventer of virus spread). And we have pretty much zero masks. Hmmm...

So get on the bus (airbus), forget about us and fly to Korea! Or tie a yellow...

Just tell them you came from Europe and you will be tested. They will take your contact information and send the results of your test via email. Free.

Then fly back to the USA. Flights are $500 to $600 round trip. Cheap given you can't be tested in the USA (unless you are connected).

Yep, it will take you 48 hours or so - but faster than anywhere in the USA.

Which brings me to my next topic: Why do so many athletes, movie stars, congressmen / women, etc. have been confirmed with the virus?

Because they actually have access to testing (even without ANY symptoms). For the rest of us we have to be hospitalized to get a test. Sad.
1090   marcus   2020 Mar 22, 8:08pm  

:
Indeed
1091   Shaman   2020 Mar 22, 8:55pm  

GlobalRoamer says
Which brings me to my next topic: Why do so many athletes, movie stars, congressmen / women, etc. have been confirmed with the virus?

Because they actually have access to testing (even without ANY symptoms). For the rest of us we have to be hospitalized to get a test. Sad.


Yep that was my experience!
Unless you blew a gay tranny in China last week, or you all rich and famous, NO TEST FOR YOU!
1092   WookieMan   2020 Mar 23, 4:53am  

marcus says
Death rate might be something like 3% for someone 65 instead of 1% (or less) for someone 40.

The real issue is slowing the total growth out there which for the U.S. has gone from 1625 on March 12, to 33,000 now.

4 days ago it was 9,000

None of these stats matter. If we had tested everyone in the country over the last 30 days, the infected cases would be mind boggling. But, the death rate for those of all ages would probably plummet under 1% and the chance of dying from this at age 40 is probably 0.02% because the positive test increase.

I was at a 900 person event 15 days ago, not including staff and other support. There's zero chance someone in that room was NOT infect. It wouldn't shock me if 100 people got it from that event alone and none of them die or will have had symptoms. It's a strong virus on the weak and old, otherwise it's not that big of a deal.

And yes, we need to protect that class, weak and old. Making everyone chill at home is not the proper response though. I've said this in other threads, but we've with 100% certainty killed more people through the reaction to date than the virus itself. Once we have a full two weeks of shut downs, the financial effects alone will have people hanging from garage rafters across the country.
1093   zzyzzx   2020 Mar 23, 8:03am  

marcus says
Death rate might be something like 3% for someone 65 instead of 1% (or less) for someone 40.


These are just confirmed cases though, but what else do we have to go on. Shows 2.6% for someone 65 and .31% for someone 40:


If you count the total number of deaths is pretty small.
1094   mell   2020 Mar 23, 8:14am  

Looks like Europe has peaked folks. We should be next in a few days or weeks. Good news.
1095   Bd6r   2020 Mar 23, 8:48am  

marcus says
Death rate might be something like 3% for someone 65 instead of 1% (or less) for someone 40.

From a peer-reviewed Imperial College paper:



Below age of 40 people are very safe.
1096   zzyzzx   2020 Mar 23, 8:52am  

https://uncoverdc.com/2020/03/20/why-italy/

Why Italy?

* Hundreds of thousands of Chinese immigrants now live both legally and illegally in Italy, with 300K legally registered and many more illegal.

* Italy recently entered into a new economic partnership with China called “One belt, One road”

* China has revitalized northern Italian ports in order to transport goods more efficiently to the rest of Europe

*The mayor of Florence initiated a social media campaign called “Hug a Chinese” using Chinese produced video as an engine to dispel the “racism” against the Chinese in Italy

Thirty years ago, Italy saw the beginnings of what would become a serious issue with illegal immigration. What was surprising, was that the immigrants couldn’t just walk over a border to enter the country, they had to flock from China. It began with Italians hiring the Chinese off the books at cheap wages to work making garments in towns and villages renowned for their craftmanship, and morphed into Italians seeing the Chinese learn how to do it faster and cheaper; often times watching as their family owned businesses were shuttered because they were outbid. The Chinese took over the Italian craft and made it their own. What didn’t change was the coveted “Made in Italy” label. The NY Times began documenting the trend in 2010 writing:

Over the years, Italy learned the difficult lesson that it could no longer compete with China on price. And so, its business class dreamed, Italy would sell quality, not quantity. For centuries, this walled medieval city just outside of Florence has produced some of the world’s finest fabrics, becoming a powerhouse for “Made in Italy” chic.

And then, China came here.

Chinese laborers, first a few immigrants, then tens of thousands, began settling in Prato in the late 1980s. They transformed the textile hub into a low-end garment manufacturing capital, enriching many, stoking resentment and prompting recent crackdowns that in turn have brought cries of bigotry and hypocrisy.

The city is now home to the largest concentration of Chinese in Europe; some legal, many more not. Here in the heart of Tuscany, Chinese laborers work round the clock in some 3,200 businesses making low-end clothes, shoes and accessories, often with materials imported from China, for sale at midprice and low-end retailers worldwide.

The trend continued as whole villages in Italy became Chinese villages, with the Chinese displacing the Italians who lived there, creating their own neighborhoods, and pushing out decades of Italian family owned business. They weren’t known for following the rules. It caused much local consternation; the Italians were forced to pay their taxes and follow the employment guidelines, while the Chinese seemed to have built flourishing enterprises by skirting the rules, treating their people poorly, and engaging in rich human smuggling operations, to boot. There was little accountability for the Chinese, and much for the native Italians.
1097   mell   2020 Mar 23, 9:29am  

Most of Europe will come in around 10%-15%, some below 10%. Here in the US it looks like only NY and NJ are still on accelerated or steady growth.
1098   Patrick   2020 Mar 23, 9:33am  

Korea, Italy, and the Netherlands have all reported that the number of new cases has dropped.

But US numbers got much worse overnight, mostly because of New York.
1099   georgeliberte   2020 Mar 23, 9:41am  

Harvey Weinstein gets back in the news by the only means possible at this moment. https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/Harvey-Weinstein-Tests-Positive-for-Coronavirus-15149718.php
1100   RWSGFY   2020 Mar 23, 9:46am  

georgeliberte says
Harvey Weinstein gets back in the news by the only means possible at this moment. https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/Harvey-Weinstein-Tests-Positive-for-Coronavirus-15149718.php


How the fuck did he get his hands on tests which are still scarce? While being behind bars too boot?
1101   mell   2020 Mar 23, 9:59am  

Gilead Suspends Access to Remdesivir Due to 'Overwhelming Demand' for the Experimental COVID-19 Treatment

Probably a sign that it's working.
1102   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2020 Mar 23, 10:04am  

TEOTWAWKI says
georgeliberte says
Harvey Weinstein gets back in the news by the only means possible at this moment. https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/article/Harvey-Weinstein-Tests-Positive-for-Coronavirus-15149718.php


How the fuck did he get his hands on tests which are still scarce?


Their not scarce. Anyone in LA fitting risk groups including those over 65 can get tested
1103   RWSGFY   2020 Mar 23, 10:34am  

CovfefeButDeadly says
Their not scarce. Anyone in LA fitting risk groups including those over 65 can get tested


Interesting. The media which made so much noise about test scarcity are not in a big hurry to inform that the scarcity is over.
1104   WookieMan   2020 Mar 23, 10:56am  

TEOTWAWKI says
CovfefeButDeadly says
Their not scarce. Anyone in LA fitting risk groups including those over 65 can get tested


Interesting. The media which made so much noise about test scarcity are not in a big hurry to inform that the scarcity is over.

I know Shaman has some issues with getting tested, but I've yet to know anyone personally that hasn't been able to get tested if they wanted to. I don't know how or why, IL had labs that could handle the testing from day one though supposedly. So it might just be lab capability or equipment in the area? I don't claim to know, but I think that's the big issue with this virus. Lots of shit being thrown at the wall to see what sticks and no one knows what to believe. It feeds into people's panic.
1105   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2020 Mar 23, 10:58am  

TEOTWAWKI says
CovfefeButDeadly says
Their not scarce. Anyone in LA fitting risk groups including those over 65 can get tested


Interesting. The media which made so much noise about test scarcity are not in a big hurry to inform that the scarcity is over.


Google it and all the news is old, even the LA times reports from yesterday. US media is absolute garbage.
1106   mell   2020 Mar 23, 11:27am  

There are tests galore for anyone with symptoms or at risk who has been exposed.
1107   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 Mar 23, 11:36am  

TEOTWAWKI says
How the fuck did he get his hands on tests which are still scarce? While being behind bars too boot?


"Harvey Weinstein died today of Coronavirus. He rolled off the prison hospital bed and his neck caught an electric cord, which explains the markings on his neck."
1108   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 Mar 23, 11:57am  

Meanwhile, Democrats hold up Stimulus Package in order to sneak in controversial legislation including same day voter registration, which of course gives election officials little chance to investigate fraud or ineligibility due to other factors like felonies or non-citizenship.

1109   Patrick   2020 Mar 23, 12:24pm  

CovfefeButDeadly says
TEOTWAWKI says
CovfefeButDeadly says
Their not scarce. Anyone in LA fitting risk groups including those over 65 can get tested


Interesting. The media which made so much noise about test scarcity are not in a big hurry to inform that the scarcity is over.


Google it and all the news is old, even the LA times reports from yesterday. US media is absolute garbage.


Here are a bunch of places doing testing in the Bay Area:

https://www.sfchronicle.com/health/article/Where-can-I-get-a-coronavirus-test-in-the-Bay-15136054.php

Yes, the media is deliberately stoking panic for political reasons. And because attention is their currency.
1110   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2020 Mar 23, 12:34pm  

NoCoupForYou says
Meanwhile, Democrats hold up Stimulus Package in order to sneak in controversial legislation including same day voter registration, which of course gives election officials little chance to investigate fraud or ineligibility due to other factors like felonies or non-citizenship.



Dems are complete fucking assholes!!!

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