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fattening the curve for purely political goals. Flattening the curve is so passe.
prodigy saysCovid 19 is a lot worse than the flu.
We can agree to disagree on this point.
And there is the catch with this bug.
You can be infected up to 7 days and not know it, or never know it.
So we don't know for sure who is sick or not at any point in time.
Which brings us to the current default position of assuming everybody is sick, so everybody wear masks to stop spreading.
mell saysSurgical masks and bandanas do little to nothing for the healthy (in fact can have adverse effects), but they do help a little if someone who is sick is wearing them.
prodigy saysYes, painful to see a politician asking political questions to a doctor whose skill is in medicine.
Huh? Are you suggesting that Fauci has not opined on public policies to limit the spread of COVID?
Ceffer saysfattening the curve for purely political goals. Flattening the curve is so passe.
Exactly! At the beginning of this year we were moving into a severe flu season. Now almost no one is dying from the flu, heart attack, stroke, etc.
But when you're asymptomatic you're very unlikely to spread it, unless you're in close contact like a SO or other family. Symptoms indicate high viral replication. If you don't have symptoms you hardly shed, see kids. Everyone with symptoms should wear a mask or stay at home or outside only.
But something is killing people at close to a 300% increase of the average flu deaths over the past 10 years.
What could it be?
Onvacation saysCeffer saysfattening the curve for purely political goals. Flattening the curve is so passe.
Exactly! At the beginning of this year we were moving into a severe flu season. Now almost no one is dying from the flu, heart attack, stroke, etc.
but I bet there will be far less flu and cold deaths partially because of mislabeling as Covid and partially because Sars cov 2 will dominate the other viruses if it it doesn't let up.
Masks are TERRORIST!
TRUMP! should order National Guard snipers to take out people wearing them!
THEN! AMERICA! will rise from the burning rubble of the OBAMA! administration!
Personal attacks indicate you have no more data to support your position.
Thanks for the win
prodigy saysPersonal attacks indicate you have no more data to support your position.
Thanks for the win
Why are cases increasing with more mask wearing? For the win...
If there is no peer-reviewed study establishing eye route for infection how can there be a link to it? Unless you accept /dev/null as such.
So we're all agreed. We can get covid through our mouth, nose, eyes, and possibly ears and anus.
WookieMan saysWhy are cases increasing with more mask wearing? For the win...
More testing?
That's a dangerous precedent to force "dumbfucks" to use masks just because they could spread a respiratory virus to you.
How many people die from flu each year in US?
While the impact of flu varies, it places a substantial burden on the health of people in the United States each year. CDC estimates that influenza has resulted in between 9 million – 45 million illnesses, between 140,000 – 810,000 hospitalizations and between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html
That one is pretty obvious.
Booger saysWookieMan saysWhy are cases increasing with more mask wearing? For the win...
More testing?
We were at 0% mask wearing for the general public and have been at say 50% consistent mask wearing the last 2-3 months. Regardless of more testing, the mask theory doesn’t hold water. If it did, positive tests would be going down with more testing because of mask wearing. It’s not going down. Based on that info alone, masks aren’t doing what you think they are.
Now that I'm nearing the end of what I sincerely believe is my 2nd round with the rona I'm planning to schedule a flight to go visit the folks in a few weeks. I figure I'll have t-cell immunity for a little while and won't kill them because anything I pick up in transit will be eliminated immediately. After that if I keep wearing a damn mask, washing my hands too much and isolating I'll probably get it again in 6 months. Which makes me think at this point it's better for me (and likely others) if I just keep being exposed constantly to it. That'll keep up my limited immunity.
Ultimately I think that's the sort of thing that may have to happen on a large scale to mostly get rid of it.
Most people don't produce antibodies for any significant length of time if at all. This is also why a vaccine is a pipe dream BS. I'm not going to take it. Flu and others yes but not some bastardized vaccine that was quickly produced for this.
The European model shows it takes 95% participation for masks to have a positive effect.
Your 50% assumption, for a highly contagious disease, has no positive supporting data .
"eats shit"
You should be fine with a n95 mask.
mell saysYou should be fine with a n95 mask.
Turns out I have one. I found it in my tool box. I've fitted myself for respirators in labs before, where you test if you can smell things etc., however I can't get the n95 to fit as well as it should not matter what I do. If I'm wearing glasses they fog up so I know it's not really protecting from much.
I sneezed in the damn thing as well.
Either way, I doubt I could catch it again so soon after having it.
Btw, saying that someone "eats shit" is a personal attack
prodigy saysbut it does not fit your political narrative so you act like you never read it
When have I mentioned politics? I have no narrative. Just reality. You’re being fed a pile of shit and you’re eating it. Congrats.
If positive cases are increasing, it's very clear that mask wearing has little to no impact on spread.
You've done nothing to counter the fact that the vast majority of the public has been wearing masks for months now.
You're being fed bad information.
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