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I'm not sure how this year is, but does seem like people are moving in unusual manners. For example, there's a handful of articles written about people moving from san fran to napa valley, which is like moving from ultra urban to countryside. Some of that started w/ covid, and then accelerated w/ the riots.

But, I do know that for years I've been reading articles about how CA has this "huge outflow of people who move to other states". Oddly, what many of those articles dont mention is that they have an equal inflow - basically, normal people flee to more affordable states, and their typical replacements tend to be more affluent. I'm not sure how this year is panning out regarding out/in flows.

RC2006 says

California is like a girlfriend a crazy girlfriend you dumped, ten years later she has blue hair, fifty more pounds, can only burn coal, and now you feel like you dodged a bullet with that head case.

Heh, heh, if it were only that harmless.

A guy I know moved to Texas (0% tax) to avoid taxes when he was about to take his company public.

RC2006 says

The feeling I have towards my home city I grew up in is pure disgust.

This is what I find fascinating. The "local kids" who know better, call bullsh*t on the situation, and exit.

I may be one of these myself soon enough.

rocketjoe79 says

Where can I find a similar climate?

Sounds like rocketjoe is either

- A California ®ealtor

- A "civil servant" in California

- A close relative of one of those who is relying on it.

RC2006 says

The feeling I have towards my home city I grew up in is pure disgust. California is like a girlfriend a crazy girlfriend you dumped, ten years later she has blue hair, fifty more pounds, can only burn coal, and now you feel like you dodged a bullet with that head case.

Accurate statement.

I have neighbors who are civil service fatted calf aristocracy, who just hope that the California host doesn't succumb to the parasites before they get theirs. They would support any insane progressive or liberal into the gates of death if they thought it would keep things going for them.

I don't know if they notice the ghetto drop with re-distributive housing has made the hood more interesting. Dead body found no more than 100 yards from my house along a walking path. The arroyo is a good place for body dumps.

Hircus says

I'm not sure how this year is, but does seem like people are moving in unusual manners. For example, there's a handful of articles written about people moving from san fran to napa valley, which is like moving from ultra urban to countryside. Some of that started w/ covid, and then accelerated w/ the riots.

I could understand this if you still wanted to be close enough to San Francisco that you could occasionally go in for work, but work at home most of the time. As expensive as Napa Valley housing is, you get a heck of a lot more for your $$$ than in San Francisco; even if you pay the same amount, you are getting 2x the floorspace and probably a newer building.

B.A.C.A.H. says

rocketjoe79 says

Where can I find a similar climate?

Sounds like rocketjoe is either

- A California ®ealtor

- A "civil servant" in California

- A close relative of one of those who is relying on it.

None of the above, but I have been thinking about where could I go with similar climate if I left NorCal?
Self-imposed limits:
1. Hate high humidity in the summer. High humidity for me is over 60%.
2. Refuse to shovel snow, or deal with it for 3 months.
3. I like sun and Blue sky. We get 330 days of sun a year now. I could deal with 300. Maybe 270.
3. I can handle 100+ degrees, but not three months worth. A month is ok.

Where can I live with these characteristics?

Exodus is a strong word. But people who can, have been leaving more now a days.

I’ve seen 4 properties for sale by people leaving the state. All in our neighborhood.

Even my wife wants us to find a better place to raise kids.

Ceffer's comment reminded me of my friend who lives on Canfield and about 100 yards away some guys shot some guys, then a dead body was found about 75 yards away in the other direction on the levee.
But, he thinks he's pretty well off because his house has gone up in value.

rocketjoe79 says

Where can I live with these characteristics?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-23/this-dreariness-index-shows-which-u-s-cities-have-the-lousiest-weather




South West US tends to be hot, but if you can get up in elevation a bit, I bet you can avoid the heat. More clouds might come with it though (for example, in flagstaff AZ its nice and cool due to the elevation, and they have lots of pine trees, so it might rain up there more than it does down near Phoenix where its barren desert). There's probably some happy mediums.

You can google for "average monthly temp myCity myState" or by zipcode, to see avg high/low temps plus days of rain, for each of 12 months, for whatever location. Makes it very easy to find places that dont have months where it gets too cold or too hot.

Rocket Joe mentioned the huge downside to Florida.
The summer weather is nasty.
I think Colorado and New Mexico have sunny days although cold winters.
Texas might be tolerable.
The rain is what bugs me most about Florida, whoever called by it the Sunshine State never spent the entire year there.
My solution will be traveling away from the summer rains somewhere.

One always needs to qualify the weather zone in California. What most people consider 'California Weather' is restricted to a narrow band of coastal influence from San Francisco generally down the coast to San Diego. That area is also mostly crowded as shit in the areas with the best weather. Still, even south of San Francisco, large stretches of coast are beautiful, but can be excessively windy and foggy.

Central Valley is Midwest weather without the snow, just overcast, drizzle and fog in the winter. It is incredibly hot and humid in the summer. Low mountains and foothills are also quite humid and hot in the summer up to about 5000 feet, but cold and sometimes snowy in the winter. High mountain weather is, of course, alpine with longer winter and shorter summer seasons. The true desert climates are blazing in the summer, but can be mild and pleasant in the winter.

The 'ideal' mediterranean spots are only a part of California, and they are jammed, smoggy, hard to get around, and the antithesis of free.

clambo says

Ceffer's comment reminded me of my friend who lives on Canfield and about 100 yards away some guys shot some guys, then a dead body was found about 75 yards away

i figure if I ever have to execute home invaders, i would just take a tarp and dump the body(s) in the creek at the bottom of the arroyo. Raptors, coyotes and wild pigs would probably make short work of the body.

rocketjoe79 says

None of the above, but I have been thinking about where could I go with similar climate if I left NorCal?
Self-imposed limits:
1. Hate high humidity in the summer. High humidity for me is over 60%.
2. Refuse to shovel snow, or deal with it for 3 months.
3. I like sun and Blue sky. We get 330 days of sun a year now. I could deal with 300. Maybe 270.
3. I can handle 100+ degrees, but not three months worth. A month is ok.

Well, if you are rich then you can buy yourself into whatever climate you fancy.

If you're not, well then, you are blessed to still have choices. Continue to wallow here in unhealthy air (and if you're in in SF, unhealthy sidewalks) with the rest of us Tax Donkey Suckers and Losers, or suck it up and decide on some other trade-off. We are blessed to have choices. So many others don't have choices.

Life is what you decide to make of it. Humans are the most adaptable creatures on the planet, able to survive from pole to pole and in almost any sort of environment Earth has to offer.
In fact, many people enjoy the challenge of making a life in adverse conditions.
But some will object to any sort of hardship.

I live in SoCal because I moved here as a self challenge to live somewhere with totally different challenges than where I grew up. When that gets old I will move again.

rocketjoe79 says

1. Hate high humidity in the summer. High humidity for me is over 60%.
2. Refuse to shovel snow, or deal with it for 3 months.
3. I like sun and Blue sky. We get 330 days of sun a year now. I could deal with 300. Maybe 270.
3. I can handle 100+ degrees, but not three months worth. A month is ok.

Where can I live with these characteristics?

Ft. Davis, TX if you are into small towns and like outdoors.

rocketjoe79 says

1. Hate high humidity in the summer. High humidity for me is over 60%.
2. Refuse to shovel snow, or deal with it for 3 months.
3. I like sun and Blue sky. We get 330 days of sun a year now. I could deal with 300. Maybe 270.
3. I can handle 100+ degrees, but not three months worth. A month is ok.

How about one of the island resort towns of North or South Carolina? Probably won't meet your humidity requirements, but the summers always have ocean cooling and breeze.
https://travel.usnews.com/hotels/Best-Resorts-in-South_Carolina-r88/

B.A.C.A.H. says

Sounds like rocketjoe is either

- A California ®ealtor

- A "civil servant" in California

- A close relative of one of those who is relying on it.

I thought Rocket Joe graduated from the US Naval Academy and works in Cape Canaveral or somewhere else for NASA.

Brd6 says

Where can I live with these characteristics?

Live in the Florida panhandle from October to April

Live in the middle of Colorado from May to September

Also, those that have a large retirement account like 401k, remember you can start withdrawing from it penalty free if you apply the 55 year age rule.

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rocketjoe79 says

Where can I find a similar climate?

South Africa and Chile.

EBGuy says

rocketjoe79 says

Where can I find a similar climate?

South Africa and Chile.

South Africa is Out - I can't afford a gated, high security zone since I'm white. Maybe 30 years ago, but not today.
I had not given a thought to Chile. Will research.

rocketjoe79 says

B.A.C.A.H. says

rocketjoe79 says

Where can I find a similar climate?

Sounds like rocketjoe is either

- A California ®ealtor

- A "civil servant" in California

- A close relative of one of those who is relying on it.

None of the above, but I have been thinking about where could I go with similar climate if I left NorCal?
Self-imposed limits:
1. Hate high humidity in the summer. High humidity for me is over 60%.
2. Refuse to shovel snow, or deal with it for 3 months.
3. I like sun and Blue sky. We get 330 days of sun a year now. I could deal with 300. Maybe 270.
3. I can handle 100+ degrees, but not three months worth. A month is ok.

Where can I live with these characteristics?

Santa Fe.

Chile can be damned cold and foggy; the entire Pacific Coast is alternately dry and foggy all the way up to Columbia/Panama, where it's steamy like a tropical hellworld and Florida in Summer is cool and dry in comparison. Most accidents on the Pan-American highway running west of the Andes happen in severe foggy conditions.


Lima Peru is ugly AF, foggy dirty desert.

And just like the US with the Rockies, East of Andes is humid as hell.

Cuenca is nice and cheap, I live in a Penthouse with 2-stories for $750. You can rent a hotel suite for $150/month. I said a month. But downtown, no cars. Downside: anything imported is expensive. They have lots of substitute goods, Los Andes is damn close to Heinz, but all 4 brands of Sriracha are made with Mexican peppers, not Thai style at all. Burns lightly on the tongue, rather than hot and tangy in the back of the tongue.

These are your options...

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

rocketjoe79 says

B.A.C.A.H. says

rocketjoe79 says

Where can I find a similar climate?

Sounds like rocketjoe is either

- A California ®ealtor

- A "civil servant" in California

- A close relative of one of those who is relying on it.

None of the above, but I have been thinking about where could I go with similar climate if I left NorCal?
Self-imposed limits:
1. Hate high humidity in the summer. High humidity for me is over 60%.
2. Refuse to shovel snow, or deal with it for 3 months.
3. I like sun and Blue sky. We get 330 days of sun a year now. I could deal with 300. Maybe 270.
3. I can handle 100+ degrees, but not three months worth. A month is ok.

Where can I live with these characteristics?

Sicily or canary islands.

https://weatherspark.com/map

Click on the city and look at temperatures, humidity, etc.

Hircus says

dreariness-index-shows-which-u-s-cities-have-the-lousiest-weather

De gustibus non disputandum est.

I like what other people call "dreary" weather. I get people encouraging me to move to sunny places. Fuck that!

I hate the sun. Absolutely hate it. Not a fan of cold winters, but certainly don't want to live anyplace as sunny as the Bay Area ever again.

clambo says

Texas (0% tax)

Yes, but they get you through property tax. The beautiful 1931 house where I lived in the garage apartment from 1967 to 1974 at 8122 Santa Clara Dr. in Dallas was sold to a younger couple in 1973 for $34K when it needed $10K in repairs the old couple who'd lived in it since 1940 could not afford. By 1970 it was $100K and today it's $800K. That $34K in 1973 is worth about $205K today so it's completely out of the range of the reservoir engineer I worked for at Lone Star Gas Co. and probably even the head of the Engineering Department. Taxes are probably $10K a year or more.

Property taxes are the low hanging fruit legislatures will be using to recover from the scamdemic. Even in CA (if the commercial repeal of prop-13 passes) I expect to see a longer term repeal of residential prop-13 but in the shorter run work around angles allowing them to indirectly tax your property as well.

Patrick says

Same situation for me.

When you constantly worry about money for retirement, whatever $$ you accumulate will never be enough. How many extra years of your life are you willing to sacrifice to be able to live where the climate is nice?

Health insurance is a big issue for many, and Medicare kicks in at 65. One argument for universal health care is freedom from employer provided coverage.

NDrLoR says

Taxes are probably $10K a year or more.

Holy crap. I looked up that place on zillow. $12k/year.

Also, if you can put off collecting soocial security from say, 66 to 70, you gain an extra 8%/year in annual payments. If you can't predict whether that is worth it for you, if you have a younger spouse, it will be worth it for her.

just_adhom_preaching says

in the shorter run work around angles allowing them to indirectly tax your property as well.

In Baltimore City, that's outrageous water bills.

Big exodus from NYC as well:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/10/manhattan-rental-market-plunges-leaving-15000-empty-apartments.html

This link is better, has graph:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8718757/Manhattan-rental-market-plunges-TRIPLE-time-year.html

U-Haul Introduces Armored War Rigs For Californians Trying To Flee State's Post-Apocalyptic Wasteland

CALIFORNIA—To help meet the demand of millions of people desperately trying to escape the dark, ravaged wasteland of California, U-Haul is introducing a new product in its moving van line-up: the War Rig. These weaponized, armored moving vehicles will ensure you and your belongings stay safe during the long and perilous journey out of the state.

"We knew it was time to introduce some more serious vehicles to our fleet," said local U-Haul franchise owner Glax Destroyer, who manages 12 locations in Southern California. "We brought in the War Rig to supplement our completely depleted fleet of moving vans. With everyone leaving in droves, we don't have much left. We're pretty much salvaging old trucks from the junkyard and then adding armor plating and mounted weapons."

Sources confirm that each War Rig will comfortably seat a traditionally-sized California family of one person. They boast a fuel economy of 6 miles per gallon of guzzoline, which the U-Haul location will provide.

"I live! I die! I live again!" cried one patriarch as he led his family through the desert and toward Arizona in one of the new U-Haul War Rigs. "Witness me!"

Mr. Destroyer encourages customers to come early to secure their rigs before his power goes out and everything bursts into flames.

Patrick says

CALIFORNIA—To help meet the demand of millions of people desperately trying to escape the dark, ravaged wasteland of California, U-Haul is introducing a new product in its moving van line-up: the War Rig. These weaponized, armored moving vehicles will ensure you and your belongings stay safe during the long and perilous journey out of the state.