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I don't think Team Trump are bluffing. Trump is first and foremost a negotiator. I think Powell's sword rattling is more about shaking the tree to see what falls out, but holding out the possibility of latitude. It's more like a DA settling with perps to allow an outcome in which some might walk if they talk. The result will be imperfect, but will work toward a particular goal.

The gamble is that if Trump finds his path to holding on to the White House, do you really want to be on the wrong side of things when he loses all of his inhibitions about prosecution?

I think they are trying to expedite things to get Trump into victory, and while things are 'soft', they might be amenable. When things go 'hard', those opportunities might be too little too late for the guilty.

They are fine man, keeping hope alive for freedom.

sikhguy says

Assume tomorrow we find this all is untrue, trump will become laughing stock of the world.

The expression is 'Go Big or Go Home!'

And since Trump's "officially" out on 1/21/21, either he goes for it (which is basically tossing the kitchen sink including the possible use of martial law) or leaves unceremoniously anyways, as the media will always cast the 'Trump Years' as an aberration to the American political dynamic than the norm.

Going big is good if you have the goods.
Data is manipulated, Everybody knows that including democrats, some may be stupid but others think they are in war so nothing is unfair.

What is the best way to prove? One way is to get the perpetrators and be done with it.
Other is statistical or software integrity.

I don't know what is happening.. But best option for Trump is "get the perpetrators for courts" and continue "statistical case for public" to show he is not dictator.

Nevertheless I don't think if anyone has ever seen this kind of election movie before.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/smartmatic-denies-transfer-technology-dominion-voting-systems-articles-scrubbed-website-internet-archive-never-lies/

clambo says

Since the author hasn't read Skrunk and White, I'm not sure if he predicted the Trump will be a laughing stock or not.

I suggest sikh just watch the YouTube of Giuliani and Powell instead of reading someone else's written impression of what they said.

Idiots and Democrats believe that Biden got hundreds of thousands of votes at 3:30am, just all of a sudden.

I am very curious to listen to your take what will happen.
With public information it is not easy to predict the outcome.

>I see a boring supreme court case , where both have 50% chance of winning. I think case will revolve around voting irregularities but not "central conspiracy". Also other option is Trump and Biden may have deal to liking of Trump.

What is your take?

Sidney trump lawyer has also claimed that politicians paid to Dominion to rig votes.
It is very serious allegation also, If She can prove that whole election becomes invalid.

I am suspecting that she may be able to prove above as elites are misbehaving fro some time:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_college_admissions_bribery_scandal

Ceffer says

I don't think Team Trump are bluffing. Trump is first and foremost a negotiator. I think Powell's sword rattling is more about shaking the tree to see what falls out, but holding out the possibility of latitude. It's more like a DA settling with perps to allow an outcome in which some might walk if they talk. The result will be imperfect, but will work toward a particular goal.

Bingo. They're offering them an exit to back down, if not, Trump has the goods.

He's got the golden MacGuffin, and they may suspect he does as well - the smarter ones away.

Part of the reason to have a Controlled Opposition is to get Early Warning if Real Opposition poses a threat.

That's why Tucker's staff tried to annoy Powell into giving them a lot more (although I suspect Powell's knowledge, with her knowledge, of the Golden MacGuffin, is very vague)

Whereas Trump is using the legal battles to see who defects and/or was a Swamp Creature. The CISA was probably a false front; it may have unwittingly provided more evidence of Swamp Creature interference.

The Golden MacGuffin is going to be easily understandable by Joe Schmoe and not require lectures about Benford's Law, which is why I strongly suspect it's either the raw data
(ie True Election Results) on the confiscated servers, 33 Thomas Street Intercepts of Electronic/Phone Comms between Dominion and Various Actors particularly around 11PM EST, or terrified highly placed Dominion Employees or even Big Dem Operators looking to avoid a Sedition Charge.



The huge mistake Gloomers make is that they assign to the enemy inhuman levels of competence, non-laziness, omniscience, etc.

NoCoupForYou says

The Golden MacGuffin is going to be easily understandable by Joe Schmoe and not require lectures about Benford's Law, which is why I strongly suspect it's either the raw data
(ie True Election Results) on the confiscated servers, 33 Thomas Street Intercepts of Electronic/Phone Comms between Dominion and Various Actors particularly around 11PM EST, or terrified highly placed Dominion Employees or even Big Dem Operators looking to avoid a Sedition Charge.

Sure but Benford's law is not that hard to understand. It's very basic statistics and probabilities. If the leftoid schools wouldn't have failed their students by teaching unscientific race baiting bullshit and liberal arts as opposed to math they would all understand easily. It's all part of the plan. Anybody with an advanced science or math degree can grok this within minutes if not seconds, that the distribution of votes as they happened over time was impossible.

sikhguy says

I am US citizen.

US is a geographic location

Be an American, we stick together.

Read the history of Sikhs. We are loyal but also won't take @Trumptits shit either.

mell says

Sure but Benford's law is not that hard to understand. It's very basic statistics and probabilities.

Math is evil.

what is that windowless building?

WOW! 30% of Democrats Believe Election Stolen from Trump — 75% of Republicans Believe It Is Likely Election Was Stolen from Trump
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/wow-30-democrats-believe-election-stolen-trump-75-republicans-believe-likely-election-stolen-trump/

Good jobs guys fighting for democracy and truth. Let the true winner win.Even if it were Biden I would have accepted it.
This site hitting the right chord.

https://www3.nd.edu/~nchawla/papers/ECML03.pdf
Saw on internet ,relating to bidening the spread.

https://twitter.com/jessiprincey/status/1329526618705027078
Anybody volunteer to read the paper and enlighten us.

https://twitter.com/zevw/status/1329929328998510592/photo/1

what did I get caught with?
I missed that part.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch says

TRUMP WILL SKULLFUCK AMERICA!

I think it is Biden supporters who skullfuck America.

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1327731532828577793

Sikh asked me what I think may happen.
I don’t know, but I think if this goes to the Supreme Court, Biden and Harris are dead meat.
Justice Thomas hates Biden, and Justice Kavanaugh hates Harris.
Alito is pissed off that Pennsylvania disobeyed his order to separate ballots received later than November 3.
They didn’t.
In 2000 Bush vs Gore, several lawyers on the Bush side are now on the Supreme Court.
Roberts, Barrett, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh were on the Bush team.
The evidence will be overwhelming that Trump won the legal votes.
How this is resolved I don’t know.
I’m curious how long Biden would even last if he actually took office.
He’s a figurehead, he’s not even capable of speaking.
He’ll resign and say it’s a “health issue.”

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/sidney-powell-got-number-smoking-guns-may-get-witness-protection-7-million-votes-stolen-trump-audio/

Never seen anything like that. Lawyer taking names:
Saying Bernie took money to allow Clinton election fraud.

This is is "slander" stuff and lawyer will never take names like this without proof especially of a senator. I think big hammer will fall soon.
I hope we return the power back to people again.

clambo says

Roberts, Barrett, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh were on the Bush team.

And Thomas ruled in favor of Bush in B vs. G.

That's 5 SCOTUS Judges who will have to go back on their previous cases or rulings to agree that State Houses don't have total unchecked and supreme power to regulate elections.

6 if you include the fact that Alito said publicly at an event that he held "B v. G" to be good law and precedence.

@clambo
If they can prove the widespread fraud they are talking about..even 1% of it ... There is no need to even go to SC.
People will be on streets to .. , Imagine feeling cheated out of your votes for years which people take so much pride for.

sikhguy says

If they can prove the widespread fraud they are talking about..even 1% of it ... There is no need to even go to SC.
People will be on streets to .. , Imagine feeling cheated out of your votes for years which people take so much pride for.

40% of Americans think there was enough Voter Fraud to change the outcome of the election - November 10th.
https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/9j7sr0my95/econTabReport.pdf

The Media's excuse is that they were "Primed" to think of Fraud, but the Media pushed the opinion (not fact) that Election Fraud was "Exceedingly Rare" for months and that Election Results "Would dramatically change" after Election Night. Months before the election Big Tech and Corporate Media was pushing that line.

What's ironic is that the media and press had abundant coverage in the past 10 years about the dangers of hacking voting machines, how easy it was to do it by hackers with physical access, etc. etc. etc.

Nobody can be declared the official winner until their is a complete audit and investigation of the election, including the Dominion Voting Machines and why Republican pollwatchers were chased only out of Monopoly Dem counties by Dem Officials only after Election Day when the mail ins were being counted (not ON election day when it was in person voting), unlike all the other counties in the states in Question. How Mail In Ballots went 65% for Biden until 11PM, when at 3-4AM several states simultaneously found 90%+ Biden votes on Mail In ballots after a pause in the count... all simultaneously in states with very different laws and systems - and just enough to swing the election, even where Trump was winning by near double digits.

As every single study on voting methods and fraud has concluded, mail in ballots are the #1 vector for fraud by long shot. Including a big one done by Carter & Bakker together in 2009.

Anything less is putting democracy at risk.

I think Trump should be declared winner if he can prove the widespread fraud being claimed here.
Very unsettling video of treachery if true.

From here only two things can happen:
1) trump team bluffing us, Big shame on them.
2) they are ready to take down corrupt system and return it to people, They will be national treasure.

Let us see what happens.

I am in the camp that I want the voting apparatus fixed first, worry about Trump later. I would be unhappy with a Biden 'victory' but i would accept it if it is not at the expense of our democracy.
i'm more vested in getting the voting apparatus right than in Trump's being re-elected, even though i would like that to be the outcome.

Ceffer,
If Trump is rightful winner, How can you save democracy by giving it to Biden.
Trump is right guy to fix it, No matter what.(Assuming they are not bluffing us)

sikhguy says

Ceffer,
If Trump is rightful winner, How can you save democracy by giving it to Biden.
Trump is right guy to fix it, No matter what.(Assuming they are not bluffing us)

i would 'give' it to anybody who won it without fraud. The integrity of vote is the cornerstone of our country that transcends any particular politician. Without that cornerstone, the country is gone no matter who holds office.

If Trump managed to get the voting fraud reined in across the board, for that act alone, he would be a hero, whether or not he 'won' the vote. i don't know if it is too much to ask, though, anymore.

Ceffer says

I would be unhappy with a Biden 'victory' but i would accept it if it is not at the expense of our democracy.

Therein lies the rub.

just_passing_through says

I would be unhappy with a Biden 'victory' but i would accept it if it is not at the expense of our democracy.

Therein lies the rub.

I am feeling that we are well and truly fucked either way. A significant portion of this country is NOT GOING TO ACCEPT THE RESULTS OF THIS ELECTION HOWEVER IT IS SETTLED.
Period.
It seems more and more likely that we are in for Turchin’s 10 years of turmoil, which he says will range from 60’s style protests (which we have already exceeded) to civil war. Turchin has been so right in his predictions over the last 20 years that even his critics are paying him attention.

2020 sucked?
These are the good old days.

Nothing like 1960s would happen. US is fundamentally not unfair.There are million people immigrating every year and getting gainfully employed.
Leftist intolerant have just hijacked the agenda on coasts, in deep of their heart nobody reasonable like them.

It is center right country and always will be. There is no place for white racists and lefty imbeciles, They will always remain fringe.
(May be we should setup stadiums for them to go at each other and we pay ticket price to watch the show)
We need smart immigration and it will happen.

What I don't know and worry about is corruption in fortune 500 and other big businesses, They are out of control and doesn't seem any fix on horizon.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch says

70 MILLION TRUMPANZIS ARE WAITING FOR THE ORDER TO MURDER ALL ENEMIES OF AMERICA! - EVERYONE WITHOUT A RED HAT!, exactly as the Founding Fathers commanded!

Why do you ever bother to post such nonsense? I truly don't understand.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch says

Read the comments sections at NewsMax and OANN - everyone is arming up and laying in the extra 100 million rounds of ammo for centuries long civil war that will end with a 10000 year Trump dynasty and unimaginable wealth arriving on moon beam for the surviving Trumpanzis.

I'm going to do something that I've never done to anybody on this board. I'm going to ignore you.

Generally I like to see all points of view and different thinking but really, you're just a mild irritant and have never presented a different point of view. You just make noise, ceaselessly.

sikhguy says

We need smart immigration

Fuck "smart" immigration, whatever that is. Illegal immigration? I don't even want any legal immigration.
We add 2 Sacramentos an Albuquerque and a Tucson worth of people, legal and illegal, every year.
Year after year after year.

Covid job loss in the 10s of millions and the daft fucking Democrats can't wait to open the borders.

Robert Sproul says

sikhguy says

We need smart immigration

Fuck "smart" immigration, whatever that is. Illegal immigration? I don't even want any legal immigration.
We add 2 Sacramentos an Albuquerque and a Tucson worth of people, legal and illegal, every year.
Year after year after year.

Covid job loss in the 10s of millions and the daft fucking Democrats can't wait to open the borders.

If it is a illogical hatred for immigrants, I have no time to argue.
If you are sensible, Give me 5 examples of kinds of immigrants you would like to have in US.

richwicks says

I'm going to do something that I've never done to anybody on this board. I'm going to ignore you.

Historically speaking, I recommend you don't. AF is genius.

On the other hand, you can't argue with 60 ignores. I just jumped from 1 to 6 recently how about that. I haven't noticed missing anyone's comment either.

Robert Sproul says

Fuck "smart" immigration, whatever that is. Illegal immigration? I don't even want any legal immigration.

Just like illegals, most of the "smart" legal immigrants are commies who believe can't succeed without big government help. Eventually to make this country like the hole they fled from.

just_passing_through says

I'm going to do something that I've never done to anybody on this board. I'm going to ignore you.

Historically speaking, I recommend you don't. AF is genius.

He is? About what?

He just seems disruptive and if he is indeed a genius, he certainly doesn't share any brilliance that I've seen. Attempts to communicate with him are rebuffed, it's just over-the-top hysteria all the time - if I wanted that, I'd buy a television and watch corporate news.

In any case, he doesn't talk to me, he talks at me. I don't find that useful.

I had to ignore AF this year after eight years of not ignoring him. He’s unhinged with his TDS and his posts are repetitive, annoying, and foul.

I ignored him years ago. He's like a child that keeps nagging you while you're trying to have a meaningful discussion with adults.

just_passing_through says

I just jumped from 1 to 6 recently how about that.

I lost my only ignore!

richwicks says

He just seems disruptive and if he is indeed a genius, he certainly doesn't share any brilliance that I've seen. Attempts to communicate with him are rebuffed, it's just over-the-top hysteria all the time - if I wanted that, I'd buy a television and watch corporate news.

He knows a lot about banking system and journalism, and if you can get him into serious conversation mode, he is extremely informative.
I personally find him quite amusing, other than repetitive TDs that defies logic.