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Ceffer,
If Trump is rightful winner, How can you save democracy by giving it to Biden.
Trump is right guy to fix it, No matter what.(Assuming they are not bluffing us)

sikhguy says

Ceffer,
If Trump is rightful winner, How can you save democracy by giving it to Biden.
Trump is right guy to fix it, No matter what.(Assuming they are not bluffing us)

i would 'give' it to anybody who won it without fraud. The integrity of vote is the cornerstone of our country that transcends any particular politician. Without that cornerstone, the country is gone no matter who holds office.

If Trump managed to get the voting fraud reined in across the board, for that act alone, he would be a hero, whether or not he 'won' the vote. i don't know if it is too much to ask, though, anymore.

Ceffer says

I would be unhappy with a Biden 'victory' but i would accept it if it is not at the expense of our democracy.

Therein lies the rub.

just_passing_through says

I would be unhappy with a Biden 'victory' but i would accept it if it is not at the expense of our democracy.

Therein lies the rub.

I am feeling that we are well and truly fucked either way. A significant portion of this country is NOT GOING TO ACCEPT THE RESULTS OF THIS ELECTION HOWEVER IT IS SETTLED.
Period.
It seems more and more likely that we are in for Turchin’s 10 years of turmoil, which he says will range from 60’s style protests (which we have already exceeded) to civil war. Turchin has been so right in his predictions over the last 20 years that even his critics are paying him attention.

2020 sucked?
These are the good old days.

Nothing like 1960s would happen. US is fundamentally not unfair.There are million people immigrating every year and getting gainfully employed.
Leftist intolerant have just hijacked the agenda on coasts, in deep of their heart nobody reasonable like them.

It is center right country and always will be. There is no place for white racists and lefty imbeciles, They will always remain fringe.
(May be we should setup stadiums for them to go at each other and we pay ticket price to watch the show)
We need smart immigration and it will happen.

What I don't know and worry about is corruption in fortune 500 and other big businesses, They are out of control and doesn't seem any fix on horizon.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch says

70 MILLION TRUMPANZIS ARE WAITING FOR THE ORDER TO MURDER ALL ENEMIES OF AMERICA! - EVERYONE WITHOUT A RED HAT!, exactly as the Founding Fathers commanded!

Why do you ever bother to post such nonsense? I truly don't understand.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch says

Read the comments sections at NewsMax and OANN - everyone is arming up and laying in the extra 100 million rounds of ammo for centuries long civil war that will end with a 10000 year Trump dynasty and unimaginable wealth arriving on moon beam for the surviving Trumpanzis.

I'm going to do something that I've never done to anybody on this board. I'm going to ignore you.

Generally I like to see all points of view and different thinking but really, you're just a mild irritant and have never presented a different point of view. You just make noise, ceaselessly.

sikhguy says

We need smart immigration

Fuck "smart" immigration, whatever that is. Illegal immigration? I don't even want any legal immigration.
We add 2 Sacramentos an Albuquerque and a Tucson worth of people, legal and illegal, every year.
Year after year after year.

Covid job loss in the 10s of millions and the daft fucking Democrats can't wait to open the borders.

Robert Sproul says

sikhguy says

We need smart immigration

Fuck "smart" immigration, whatever that is. Illegal immigration? I don't even want any legal immigration.
We add 2 Sacramentos an Albuquerque and a Tucson worth of people, legal and illegal, every year.
Year after year after year.

Covid job loss in the 10s of millions and the daft fucking Democrats can't wait to open the borders.

If it is a illogical hatred for immigrants, I have no time to argue.
If you are sensible, Give me 5 examples of kinds of immigrants you would like to have in US.

richwicks says

I'm going to do something that I've never done to anybody on this board. I'm going to ignore you.

Historically speaking, I recommend you don't. AF is genius.

On the other hand, you can't argue with 60 ignores. I just jumped from 1 to 6 recently how about that. I haven't noticed missing anyone's comment either.

Robert Sproul says

Fuck "smart" immigration, whatever that is. Illegal immigration? I don't even want any legal immigration.

Just like illegals, most of the "smart" legal immigrants are commies who believe can't succeed without big government help. Eventually to make this country like the hole they fled from.

just_passing_through says

I'm going to do something that I've never done to anybody on this board. I'm going to ignore you.

Historically speaking, I recommend you don't. AF is genius.

He is? About what?

He just seems disruptive and if he is indeed a genius, he certainly doesn't share any brilliance that I've seen. Attempts to communicate with him are rebuffed, it's just over-the-top hysteria all the time - if I wanted that, I'd buy a television and watch corporate news.

In any case, he doesn't talk to me, he talks at me. I don't find that useful.

I had to ignore AF this year after eight years of not ignoring him. He’s unhinged with his TDS and his posts are repetitive, annoying, and foul.

I ignored him years ago. He's like a child that keeps nagging you while you're trying to have a meaningful discussion with adults.

just_passing_through says

I just jumped from 1 to 6 recently how about that.

I lost my only ignore!

richwicks says

He just seems disruptive and if he is indeed a genius, he certainly doesn't share any brilliance that I've seen. Attempts to communicate with him are rebuffed, it's just over-the-top hysteria all the time - if I wanted that, I'd buy a television and watch corporate news.

He knows a lot about banking system and journalism, and if you can get him into serious conversation mode, he is extremely informative.
I personally find him quite amusing, other than repetitive TDs that defies logic.

sikhguy says

examples of kinds of immigrants you would like to have in US.

My overriding criteria would be immigrants that have a real, immediate, benefit to this country.
“Smart” immigration would include Public Charge laws, mass immigration into a Welfare State is the epitome of “stupid” immigration.
There would be a freeze on ALL immigration when unemployment went above 4%.
We would revisit the ridiculous Immigration Act of 1965 and reframe it to benefit America and Americans. (When Biden says “America First” is terrible I always wonder who the hell he thinks should be "First")

Polling indicates that several hundred million people globally would come to America if they could, easily doubling our current population. Which ones, and how many, do YOU think it would be “smart” to allow in? Whoever gets here first?
Should it have to actually benefit the citizens of this country or just be a benefit to who-the-fuck-ever is in some unfortunate situation in their own unfortunate country?
Current law favors whoever has family that has already managed to get here somehow, whether they were hardworking self-sacrificing legal immigrants, like I am sure your family is, or If they are Honduran’s that sell smack for the Mexican’s down in the Mission, (who the Mexicans disparage and abuse, "Hispanic Brotherhood" ain’t in it. Some of the most prejudiced people I have met are PO of a slightly different C) who have somehow managed to get some form of “legal residency” or amnesty.
LIKE ALL OF GLOBAL CAPITAL’S AGENDA, IMMIGRATION INTO THE U.S. TAKES ZERO ACCOUNT OF COSTS OR BENEFITS, TO OR FOR, THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY.

Robert Sproul says

sikhguy says

examples of kinds of immigrants you would like to have in US.

My overriding criteria would be immigrants that have a real, immediate, benefit to this country.
“Smart” immigration..

Smart immigration is for US citizens, adaptive based on needs of us all not corporations or politicians.
Now both corporations and politicians are out of control and don't respond to people.

By the way smart immigration at time of pandemic can also mean zero immigration for while.
Now people are people, There will always be some affinity for people of your cultural background for 1-2 generations.
But some "whites" here would like to blame immigrants for disunity... The primary blame lies with KKK and ANTIFA affiliates(both primary whites) more than any immigrant.

sikhguy says

By the way smart immigration at time of pandemic can also mean zero immigration for while.
Now people are people, There will always be some affinity for people of your cultural background for 1-2 generations.
But some "whites" here would like to blame immigrants for disunity... The primary blame lies with KKK and ANTIFA affiliates(both primary whites) more than any immigrant

KKK/Antifa/BLM those are minority hate groups. I really wish government put the foot down with these assholes to make them chill out. But when they see a benefit out of a group they blow it out of proportion, such as recent case with BLM where Democrats were bailing them out and giving them money, and thought they were cool. So fucked up.

sikhguy says

Robert Sproul says

sikhguy says

We need smart immigration

Fuck "smart" immigration, whatever that is. Illegal immigration? I don't even want any legal immigration.
We add 2 Sacramentos an Albuquerque and a Tucson worth of people, legal and illegal, every year.
Year after year after year.

Covid job loss in the 10s of millions and the daft fucking Democrats can't wait to open the borders.

If it is a illogical hatred for immigrants, I have no time to argue.
If you are sensible, Give me 5 examples of kinds of immigrants you would like to have in US.

At this point in time, all immigration needs to be restricted to very low numbers. The only way of truly raising standard of living and wages domestically is to tariff other countries who syphon off our domestic businesses and simultaneously restrict the supply of labor through immigration. Maybe if we get going again, we can address allowing people to regularly immigrate here. And at that point, it should be merit based. We shouldn't be importing massive amounts of unskilled labor unless we have a demand for it that is not being satisfied by the domestic workforce.

theoakman says

sikhguy says

Robert Sproul says

sikhguy says

We At this point in time, all immigration needs to be restricted to very low numbers. The only way of truly raising standard of living and wages dome...

Here is what I would like to see:
1) Dirty globalists propped up by US government stops regime change and interference in other countries. This will reduce refugees.
>Sikhs wouldn't be here if British colonists haven't broken their prosperous Sikh empire.See India's share of world GDP before and after colonialism.This go even today in more subtle ways.You can't destroy countries like did in Iraq and not expect people to come to your shores.
2) Return power to people. If they do a survey of "American public" and ask "Would you like to go war to improve your financial well being?" , Most will answer NO. But still US elites go to wars.

Osmosis can only be stopped by better homogeneity. The walls will always be permeable.

theoakman says

unless we have a demand

Yes. Like it was for the first couple of hundred years, until the Emma Lazarus feel-good bullshit “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses..." changed the narrative.

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

KKK/Antifa/BLM those are minority hate groups

Except this is a false equivalency.
BLM is perhaps the largest (and most dangerous?) mass movement in U.S. history.
Despite SPLC, and other Leftist hysterics, claims, KKK is a sad-sack group of maybe 400 goofballs.

richwicks says

it's just over-the-top hysteria all the time - if I wanted that, I'd buy a television and watch corporate news.

LOL

Here is a question for you guys?
If It is proven in court of law that "Venezuela" election was stolen with CIA technology(as alleged) resulting in foisting cruel communist on them...Who should be held responsible? US public or elites?

Does it gives right to Venezuelans to immigrate to US freely as US government is responsible for destroying their country?

sikhguy says

Does it gives right to Venezuelans to immigrate to US freely

Nobody has a “right” to any of this kind of shit. Come and take it, if you can.
I have come to realize that people have ALWAYS expanded their range and influence throughout human history whenever they could. Nearly always violently. Our country claimed and took the territories that we have enjoyed dominion over.
Ohh! Ohh! Colonialism!! Read fucking history.
Now it is being taken back, in turn, in the “Reconquista”. We seem to be too weak now to resist. I have kind of resigned myself to the inevitability instead of getting pissed off every time I am asked to “Press 1 for Spanish”
Good luck to you, Pal. Where I come from the Mexicans kind of hate the Sikhs, and vice versa, no real POC brotherhood.
And of course they will win the Reproduction Rate and Family Based Immigration Competition.

You support breaking other countries by US?
I don't and neither support them interfering in our election process as likely happened this election.

In central valley of California, The number of Sikh-Mexican weddings are extremely common.
Attended two this year , damn the COVID scare. Always common as both are mostly blue collar communities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_Mexican_Americans

Hate this/that is Lefty and KKK shit. All right of center don't care.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/trump-campaign-sidney-powell-trump-legal-team/

This is end of it.
The allegations were infact fantastical, So Biden is president now.
I am not sure what this whole thing was.. I believe it was to make invalid election Valid.

If Sidney Powell is not a member of Trump's legal team, what authority does she have to sue in court?

Robert Sproul says

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

KKK/Antifa/BLM those are minority hate groups

Except this is a false equivalency.
BLM is perhaps the largest (and most dangerous?) mass movement in U.S. history.
Despite SPLC, and other Leftist hysterics, claims, KKK is a sad-sack group of maybe 400 goofballs.

well yeah, BLM is heavily funded by the left. it's fucked up. It's also why it was in all Democrat ran cities, because Democrats control police and DA's there. They basically intimidated anyone who would not go along with the left. The threat of "if you vote Republican we'll burn you down was very real".

Conflict of interest. Sidney is about to turn this thing into a giant criminal conspiracy involving the CIA, high level politicians and Dominion. Trump can't be supporting that effort so his legal team is focused on the ballot fraud, shredding envelopes, dismissing pollworkers, etc.

Dbr6 says

He knows a lot about banking system and journalism,

Journalism? There is no journalism in the west.

I'm quite informed about propaganda. That's what people think journalism is.

sikhguy says

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/trump-campaign-sidney-powell-trump-legal-team/

This is end of it.
The allegations were infact fantastical, So Biden is president now.
I am not sure what this whole thing was.. I believe it was to make invalid election Valid.

Jesus dude. First sign of anything and you run for the hills. Remind me to never go to battle with you.

porkchopexpress says

Conflict of interest. Sidney is about to turn this thing into a giant criminal conspiracy involving the CIA, high level politicians and Dominion. Trump can't be supporting that effort so his legal team is focused on the ballot fraud, shredding envelopes, dismissing pollworkers, etc.

That can be plausible reason that they figure out now, But before she was seen with Trump team.But some sites are saying that she don’t have the goods to prove her allegations.

Man I hope truth comes out. All the issues in our republic is secrecy and back dealing of ruling classes and not serving people.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/11/22/trump-legal-team-distances-from-sidney-powell/

It is hard to spin it as good.
Hope for best for our country.
Now either Trump team is bluffing or our political system is corrupt to core.
If it is intact corrupt and Trump backs out, We are screwd.

porkchopexpress says

sikhguy says

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/trump-campaign-sidney-powell-trump-legal-team/

This is end of it.
The allegations were infact fantastical, So Biden is president now.
I am not sure what this whole thing was.. I believe it was to make invalid election Valid.

Jesus dude. First sign of anything and you run for the hills. Remind me to never go to battle with you.

Look bud I was not fully on train of Sidney allegations and hence the thread.
Sometimes wild allegations are made to hide the truth, which is my worry. Read my starting message.

Twitter shut down Sidney's account for 12 hours. Gen Flynn responded on her behalf.
@SidneyPowell1 has been suspended from Twitter for 12 hours. She understands the WH press release & agrees with it. She is staying the course to prove the massive deliberate election fraud that robbed #WeThePeople of our votes for President Trump & other Republican candidates.

https://mobile.twitter.com/GenFlynn/status/1330671677211029506

sikhguy says

porkchopexpress says

Conflict of interest. Sidney is about to turn this thing into a giant criminal conspiracy involving the CIA, high level politicians and Dominion. Trump can't be supporting that effort so his legal team is focused on the ballot fraud, shredding envelopes, dismissing pollworkers, etc.

That can be plausible reason that they figure out now, But before she was seen with Trump team.But some sites are saying that she don’t have the goods to prove her allegations.

Man I hope truth comes out. All the issues in our republic is secrecy and back dealing of ruling classes and not serving people.

Yes, it is very sad. At one time, America really was a great country but like any other large institution/entity/establishment/group, it will eventually take a turn for the worse. I believe this for all countries. I too, hope this ship gets turned back around toward greatness. The world sure could use better governments all over the globe.

At this point it is hard to know the truth.
Everything said and done till now is nothing short of thriller movie.

As I said before, From here Trump only looks extreme stupid and loser(media will make sure of it).. Or come out as undisputed winner of all times.

Let us see what happens. If Trump have evidence and chickens out and settles for personal gain,I think he will lose all credibility for ever.
This will be anti climax for this saga for sure.

Sikhs like this kind of stand against oppressor:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarnail_Singh_Bhindranwale

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/michael-flynn-jr-releases-information-trump-teams-sidney-powell-statement-not-think/

This story is becoming more convoluted every day.

Strategy:
1) Is Trump a 4D chess player as some claim?
2) Is Trump a "sore loser" as many other claim? <- end of story.

Circumstances:
3) Is there a fraud? Based on data and circumstances it seems clear that there is.
4) No fraud. <- end of story.

Personality:
5) Does Trump have guts to fight for people or himself?
6) Is he just saving his skin from litigation. <- end of story.

Support:
7) Does he have support of powerful hidden people?
8) He is all alone <- End of story

No matter how you look at this make US look like a "Banana republic".
Culprit:
9) Democrats?
10) Trump <- End of Story.

If democrats are culprit?
11) Trump wins and people's will reflected in end result.
12) democrats cheat their way to power.

Whatever the end result, It is fascinating story for ages and I hope in the end "Truth prevails".
If Trump back downs with "personal benefits" or "proven crazy" , This is end of Trumpism and returning to Sordid politics of elite rule