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Karloff
2021 Apr 25, 11:30am
Karloff
2021 Apr 25, 11:30am
ThreeBays says
Placebos have shown to be effective at treatment when the underlying cause was psychological.
Sort of a "perception is reality" situation.
Vaccines and masks increase people's confidence to go back to normal
Placebos have shown to be effective at treatment when the underlying cause was psychological.
Sort of a "perception is reality" situation.
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stfu
2021 Apr 25, 3:32pm
The data is troubling. I've long been on the side that there is no pandemic because the total mortality data for 2020 didn't support it. This post had me rechecking the data and sure enough there was a huge spike in mortality (from all causes) in the last 9 weeks of 2020 that continued into the first 3-4 weeks of 2021. The spike in deaths at the end of the year is unusual, as every year from 2013 through 2020 had the spike occurring later in the spring. This is all based on CDC data through week 12 of 2021.
in 2018, the average deaths for the last five weeks of the year was 3.13% higher than the average for the previous 47 weeks
in 2019, the average deaths for the last five weeks of the year was 5.97% higher than the average for the previous 47 weeks
in 2020, the average deaths for the last five weeks of the year was 15.07% higher than the average for the previous 47 weeks
The total deaths for 2020 should have been slightly below 3 million, not 3.4 million. After the spring spike we were under trend and on track to come in at 3 million but something happened in the last 9 weeks - really accelerating in the last 5 weeks.
I have no faith in the how the CDC classifies the deaths because I believe they are supporting a narrative but I can't deny that there was an spike in overall deaths in late 2020/ early 2021 which is out of the ordinary. I will revisit in the fall to see if this was just an early spike (and if the spike is happening sooner every year) or if it predicted an unusually deadly 2021.
in 2018, the average deaths for the last five weeks of the year was 3.13% higher than the average for the previous 47 weeks
in 2019, the average deaths for the last five weeks of the year was 5.97% higher than the average for the previous 47 weeks
in 2020, the average deaths for the last five weeks of the year was 15.07% higher than the average for the previous 47 weeks
The total deaths for 2020 should have been slightly below 3 million, not 3.4 million. After the spring spike we were under trend and on track to come in at 3 million but something happened in the last 9 weeks - really accelerating in the last 5 weeks.
I have no faith in the how the CDC classifies the deaths because I believe they are supporting a narrative but I can't deny that there was an spike in overall deaths in late 2020/ early 2021 which is out of the ordinary. I will revisit in the fall to see if this was just an early spike (and if the spike is happening sooner every year) or if it predicted an unusually deadly 2021.
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RC2006
2021 Apr 25, 4:06pm
RC2006
2021 Apr 25, 4:06pm
Will there be less deaths in the next few years because deaths were pulled foward in 2020?
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Patrick
2021 Apr 25, 5:12pm
Patrick
2021 Apr 25, 5:12pm
RC2006 says
Yes, I expect exactly that.
A lot of elderly were bumped off the ledge by this, but it doesn't take much to do them in.
Will there be less deaths in the next few years because deaths were pulled foward in 2020?
Yes, I expect exactly that.
A lot of elderly were bumped off the ledge by this, but it doesn't take much to do them in.
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Shaman
2021 Apr 25, 5:27pm
Shaman
2021 Apr 25, 5:27pm
I expect there to be more deaths per year next year and the following ten afterwards. Boomers are aging and dying. It’s inevitable. My boomer parents are getting up there. Have to make the most of the time they have left.
Covid was a bump in the mortality but it was already headed up as @threebays graph clearly shows. Covid probably advanced the deaths of several hundred thousand and another fifty or so who could have lasted another ten to twenty at their current levels of poor health.
The deaths from Covid are, however, insignificant in the long run. What is significant is the horrifyingly inappropriate Covid RESPONSE that many lefty run governments inflicted on the public. That will cause years and maybe even decades of problems, exacerbating poverty, crime, education drop-outs, and worsening the average situation for minorities across the USA significantly.
Just remember: when it came time to protect the rich old white people, they happily tossed PoC communities under the bus, laying off or firing almost all entertainment workers and service workers, a category that is MOSTLY filled by PoC. Then they lied these people into fear of Covid and loathing of their fellow citizens, and urged them to riot and loot to get their aggressions out.
It really was one of the most heinous and cynical policy decisions of all fucking time.
Only a bunch of sociopaths could have come up with it.
Covid was a bump in the mortality but it was already headed up as @threebays graph clearly shows. Covid probably advanced the deaths of several hundred thousand and another fifty or so who could have lasted another ten to twenty at their current levels of poor health.
The deaths from Covid are, however, insignificant in the long run. What is significant is the horrifyingly inappropriate Covid RESPONSE that many lefty run governments inflicted on the public. That will cause years and maybe even decades of problems, exacerbating poverty, crime, education drop-outs, and worsening the average situation for minorities across the USA significantly.
Just remember: when it came time to protect the rich old white people, they happily tossed PoC communities under the bus, laying off or firing almost all entertainment workers and service workers, a category that is MOSTLY filled by PoC. Then they lied these people into fear of Covid and loathing of their fellow citizens, and urged them to riot and loot to get their aggressions out.
It really was one of the most heinous and cynical policy decisions of all fucking time.
Only a bunch of sociopaths could have come up with it.
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Onvacation
2021 Apr 25, 8:03pm
Onvacation
2021 Apr 25, 8:03pm
stfu says
The hopeless time of year.
To live takes will.
For some, you can crush their body like it went into a press die and they will still live. Others catch a cold and it's the end. I've seen friends and family suffer near the end. It's never over until they give up the ghost.
A year of fascism with no end in site is kind of depressing. I suspect many of the extra deaths were caused by the despair of living in the twilight zone, Alone.
That and the oldest baby boomers are kicking the bucket.
there was a huge spike in mortality (from all causes) in the last 9 weeks of 2020 that continued into the first 3-4 weeks of 2021.
The hopeless time of year.
To live takes will.
For some, you can crush their body like it went into a press die and they will still live. Others catch a cold and it's the end. I've seen friends and family suffer near the end. It's never over until they give up the ghost.
A year of fascism with no end in site is kind of depressing. I suspect many of the extra deaths were caused by the despair of living in the twilight zone, Alone.
That and the oldest baby boomers are kicking the bucket.
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Robert Sproul
2021 Apr 25, 8:19pm
Onvacation says
A gigantic study out of Wuhan indicates that asymptomatic spread is not significant:
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4695
So they don't know it and it doesn't fucking matter.
So 80% of people who get the Wuhan don't even know?
A gigantic study out of Wuhan indicates that asymptomatic spread is not significant:
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4695
So they don't know it and it doesn't fucking matter.
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AmericanKulak
2021 Apr 25, 8:55pm
AmericanKulak
2021 Apr 25, 8:55pm
Meanwhile, in China:
Only 5,000 COVID deaths in all of China. 100k's in the USA. My ass.
It's !!!!Science!!!! though. The WHO wouldn't just repeat a baldfaced lie.
In China, from 3 January 2020 to 6:00pm CEST, 25 April 2021, there have been 103,464 confirmed cases of COVID-19 with 4,856 deaths, reported to WHO. As of 17 April 2021, a total of 188,090,000 vaccine doses have been administered.
Only 5,000 COVID deaths in all of China. 100k's in the USA. My ass.
It's !!!!Science!!!! though. The WHO wouldn't just repeat a baldfaced lie.
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Patrick
2021 Apr 25, 8:58pm
Patrick
2021 Apr 25, 8:58pm
MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says
True. There's just no possible way that both China and the US is telling the truth.
Only 5,000 COVID deaths in all of China. 100k's in the USA. My ass.
It's !!!!Science!!!! though. The WHO wouldn't just repeat a baldfaced lie.
True. There's just no possible way that both China and the US is telling the truth.
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Robert Sproul
2021 Apr 25, 9:14pm
This dang China Death Flu has interrupted our steady, century long, decline in death rate per 100k and, very temporarily, knocked us all the way back to 2006 or so.
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Robert Sproul
2021 Apr 25, 9:33pm
Here is deaths per million going back to 1900. In the Terrifying Year of Covid we were much, much, less at risk of death than say, 1968, when we stupidly partied right on though the Hong Kong Flu.
What a nation of dripping sissies. My pal sent me pictures of the hiking trails in West Marin, couples and solo hikers all masked up out on an un-crowded trail, a year into this charade.
What a nation of dripping sissies. My pal sent me pictures of the hiking trails in West Marin, couples and solo hikers all masked up out on an un-crowded trail, a year into this charade.
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AmericanKulak
2021 Apr 25, 9:36pm
AmericanKulak
2021 Apr 25, 9:36pm
Robert Sproul says
These comparisons are great.
And those who pat themselves on the back for being the reality based community are the most Chicken Little of all in regards to the recent comparisons.
This dang China Death Flu has interrupted our steady, century long, decline in death rate per 100k and, very temporarily, knocked us all the way back to 2006 or so.
These comparisons are great.
And those who pat themselves on the back for being the reality based community are the most Chicken Little of all in regards to the recent comparisons.
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WookieMan
2021 Apr 26, 4:40am
WookieMan
2021 Apr 26, 4:40am
ThreeBays says
I don't care. What difference does it make if I've had or am going to have it? There's almost no chance I'll die from it given my age and health. I'll take a case of covid 10 out of 10 times over fracturing my heel like I did last fall. Being sick for 3-10 days isn't that big of a deal. Not being able to move for 3-4 months and having permeant pain is much worse.
I know I'm comparing apples to oranges as well with my heel. But the data says I'll 99.9999% be fine. My own data says I've been fine. The narrative the media spins says I should be dead. At some point I'm not wrong.
I took it seriously in the beginning. Heck, hit the bottom link from one year ago and you can see my comments. I generally question everything, but for the first month I did listen to "guidelines and recommendations" from our government. At some point though you see the bull shit though. I've got a ton of other anecdotal evidence too that health care workers/docs think it's pure shit and that's coming straight from their mouth, not my interpretation.
Do you know you didn't have it already? Have you considered an antibody test?
I don't care. What difference does it make if I've had or am going to have it? There's almost no chance I'll die from it given my age and health. I'll take a case of covid 10 out of 10 times over fracturing my heel like I did last fall. Being sick for 3-10 days isn't that big of a deal. Not being able to move for 3-4 months and having permeant pain is much worse.
I know I'm comparing apples to oranges as well with my heel. But the data says I'll 99.9999% be fine. My own data says I've been fine. The narrative the media spins says I should be dead. At some point I'm not wrong.
I took it seriously in the beginning. Heck, hit the bottom link from one year ago and you can see my comments. I generally question everything, but for the first month I did listen to "guidelines and recommendations" from our government. At some point though you see the bull shit though. I've got a ton of other anecdotal evidence too that health care workers/docs think it's pure shit and that's coming straight from their mouth, not my interpretation.
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theoakman
2021 Apr 26, 5:30am
My whole family had it. My father was sick for 3 weeks (70 years old). My wife was asymptomatic. My daughter was asymptomatic. My son was sick for a day. There is clear data of who this is dangerous to. If they want to stay home and lockdown fine. The rest of society needs to move on.
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theoakman
2021 Apr 26, 5:31am
"What a nation of dripping sissies. My pal sent me pictures of the hiking trails in West Marin, couples and solo hikers all masked up out on an un-crowded trail, a year into this charade."
What's even more ridiculous is that these people that hike solo with a mask have likely already been vaccinated. It's become a religion at this point.
What's even more ridiculous is that these people that hike solo with a mask have likely already been vaccinated. It's become a religion at this point.
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Robert Sproul
2021 Apr 26, 6:54am
Patrick says
I have been interested in deaths-per-million numbers as a way to refute propaganda about lock-down vs non-lock-down states and countries.
For example Sweden, despite massive defaming propaganda, has a significantly better death-per-million number than super locked-down countries like Britain. (Largely avoiding the resultant economic damage, which is why the frantic justification of lock-down regimes will never end.) The first chart is a CDC chart that seemed striking so I saved it, the second has no provenance as I just web searched for “historic death per million”.
Robert those are fantastic graphs!
Where did you get them?
I have been interested in deaths-per-million numbers as a way to refute propaganda about lock-down vs non-lock-down states and countries.
For example Sweden, despite massive defaming propaganda, has a significantly better death-per-million number than super locked-down countries like Britain. (Largely avoiding the resultant economic damage, which is why the frantic justification of lock-down regimes will never end.) The first chart is a CDC chart that seemed striking so I saved it, the second has no provenance as I just web searched for “historic death per million”.
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Bd6r
2021 Apr 26, 7:07am
Bd6r
2021 Apr 26, 7:07am
MisdemeanorRebellionNoCoupForYou says
My conclusion from this is that in China hospitals do not get extra pay if someone is classified as dying from/with covid...
Only 5,000 COVID deaths in all of China. 100k's in the USA. My ass.
My conclusion from this is that in China hospitals do not get extra pay if someone is classified as dying from/with covid...
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Robert Sproul
2021 Apr 26, 7:19am
mell says
Fauci et al insist that you CAN NOT use manifestly safe medications like Ivermectin (better safety profile than Tylenol) or Hydroxychloroquine without Gold Standard, Double-Blind, Randomized, Placebo-Controlled, Trials (tm) but you CAN institute crippling economic lock-downs and devastating social controls just on the whims and notions of over paid, preening, career bureaucrats and politicians.
The burden is on you to prove that masks do anything but the obvious harm and you haven't done so, neither has anyone else.
Fauci et al insist that you CAN NOT use manifestly safe medications like Ivermectin (better safety profile than Tylenol) or Hydroxychloroquine without Gold Standard, Double-Blind, Randomized, Placebo-Controlled, Trials (tm) but you CAN institute crippling economic lock-downs and devastating social controls just on the whims and notions of over paid, preening, career bureaucrats and politicians.
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mell
2021 Apr 26, 8:03am
WookieMan says
Very true. Many old people die relatively quickly once they become immobile, e.g. break their hip. Not because it's life threatening but because of the follow up consequences of not moving around anymore becoming life threatening. An infection that goes away quickly is much more preferable.
ThreeBays saysDo you know you didn't have it already? Have you considered an antibody test?
I don't care. What difference does it make if I've had or am going to have it? There's almost no chance I'll die from it given my age and health. I'll take a case of covid 10 out of 10 times over fracturing my heel like I did last fall. Being sick for 3-10 days isn't that big of a deal. Not being able to move for 3-4 months and having permeant pain is much worse.
I know I'm comparing apples to oranges as well with my heel. But the data says I'll 99.9999% be fine. My own data says I've been fine. The narrative the media spins says I should be dead. At some point I'm not wrong.
I took it seriously in the beginning. Heck, hit the bottom link from one year ago and you can see my comments. I generally question everything, but for the first month I did listen to "guidelines and recomme...
Very true. Many old people die relatively quickly once they become immobile, e.g. break their hip. Not because it's life threatening but because of the follow up consequences of not moving around anymore becoming life threatening. An infection that goes away quickly is much more preferable.
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WookieMan
2021 Apr 26, 8:22am
WookieMan
2021 Apr 26, 8:22am
Well my asthmatic nephew is now completely wiped out. Might have to get him tested. Found out my dumb ass sister in law was around her ghetto boyfriend that has Covid. If it is covid he should be fine being young and all, but he's also allergic to tree pollen and our cars are currently covered in it. So he might be getting slammed right now. He's a kid that could die from influenza strains anyway.
I don't know why in the flying fuck she'd come around her son. Sorry, patnet is my place to vent sometimes and I'm really pissed right now. Covid is real. It's mostly harmless, but this kid is one that shouldn't be around it. And she fucking walked into my home with it potentially, and knew that she had been around it. First time in a long time I've wanted to throw a right hook at a bitch. Just when he got back to full time school. Ugh... Looks like remote learning for the next week or two. Just when I thought we were turning the corner to normalcy.
I don't know why in the flying fuck she'd come around her son. Sorry, patnet is my place to vent sometimes and I'm really pissed right now. Covid is real. It's mostly harmless, but this kid is one that shouldn't be around it. And she fucking walked into my home with it potentially, and knew that she had been around it. First time in a long time I've wanted to throw a right hook at a bitch. Just when he got back to full time school. Ugh... Looks like remote learning for the next week or two. Just when I thought we were turning the corner to normalcy.
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theoakman
2021 Apr 26, 8:41am
Wookie, the good news is, most people taking steroidal inhalants for asthma are less affected because of the amount of steroids they use nearly eliminates all inflammation. Good luck. Same thing happened to us. Just as wife was getting vaxxed, kids come down with it. It's like tripping over the finish line.
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WookieMan
2021 Apr 26, 9:00am
WookieMan
2021 Apr 26, 9:00am
theoakman says
Didn't know that. Thanks.
He didn't sleep most the night just up coughing constantly. I've been up since 4am because he wouldn't stop coughing. He got 2-3 hours of sleep about 7:30am till now. He's been with us for 3 months now roughly, and he coughs and sneezes a lot anyway, but it started getting rough the last few days. He's a bit of a sissy (no dad), but he was crying this morning about it. For a non-physical injury I start to take it bit more seriously when that happens.
I'm just pissed at his mom that she knew she was around someone with Covid and came into our home. I know I harp on the hype of covid a lot here, but I myself have high hereditary BP and I don't want to be knowingly exposed to it. If I travel or go somewhere that's my choice. If you know someone that has Covid and were around them, don't come near me. I'll likely be fine, but I still try to be as responsible as I can. If I had the flu in the past I just stayed home and isolated myself from my family in the basement. So pissed at the SIL.
Wookie, the good news is, most people taking steroidal inhalants for asthma are less affected because of the amount of steroids they use nearly eliminates all inflammation. Good luck. Same thing happened to us. Just as wife was getting vaxxed, kids come down with it. It's like tripping over the finish line.
Didn't know that. Thanks.
He didn't sleep most the night just up coughing constantly. I've been up since 4am because he wouldn't stop coughing. He got 2-3 hours of sleep about 7:30am till now. He's been with us for 3 months now roughly, and he coughs and sneezes a lot anyway, but it started getting rough the last few days. He's a bit of a sissy (no dad), but he was crying this morning about it. For a non-physical injury I start to take it bit more seriously when that happens.
I'm just pissed at his mom that she knew she was around someone with Covid and came into our home. I know I harp on the hype of covid a lot here, but I myself have high hereditary BP and I don't want to be knowingly exposed to it. If I travel or go somewhere that's my choice. If you know someone that has Covid and were around them, don't come near me. I'll likely be fine, but I still try to be as responsible as I can. If I had the flu in the past I just stayed home and isolated myself from my family in the basement. So pissed at the SIL.
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joshuatrio
2021 Apr 26, 9:08am
joshuatrio
2021 Apr 26, 9:08am
WookieMan says
Vitamin D. It's cheap and available everywhere.
Well my asthmatic nephew is now completely wiped out. Might have to get him tested. Found out my dumb ass sister in law was around her ghetto boyfriend that has Covid. If it is covid he should be fine being young and all, but he's also allergic to tree pollen and our cars are currently covered in it. So he might be getting slammed right now. He's a kid that could die from influenza strains anyway.
I don't know why in the flying fuck she'd come around her son. Sorry, patnet is my place to vent sometimes and I'm really pissed right now. Covid is real. It's mostly harmless, but this kid is one that shouldn't be around it. And she fucking walked into my home with it potentially, and knew that she had been around it. First time in a long time I've wanted to throw a right hook at a bitch. Just when he got back to full time school. Ugh... Looks like remote learning for the next week or two. Just when I thought we were turning the corner to normalcy.
Vitamin D. It's cheap and available everywhere.
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Robert Sproul
2021 Apr 26, 9:25am
theoakman says
Budesonide is commonly prescribed for asthma and is now testing effective for early treatment of Covid.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(21)00160-0/fulltext
I would think it would have some prophylactic benefit to those who use it daily.
Wookie, the good news is, most people taking steroidal inhalants for asthma are less affected
Budesonide is commonly prescribed for asthma and is now testing effective for early treatment of Covid.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(21)00160-0/fulltext
I would think it would have some prophylactic benefit to those who use it daily.
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Shaman
2021 Apr 26, 9:46am
Shaman
2021 Apr 26, 9:46am
The best protection against Covid is to contract and beat the illness. Give the kid an inhaler, vitamin D, zinc, and Quercetin. He will kick it fast. And you’ve got an opportunity to do the same.
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zzyzzx
2021 Apr 29, 12:19pm
zzyzzx
2021 Apr 29, 12:19pm
https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-floats-2024-presidential-run-again-says-desantis-could-be-potential-running-mate_3796008.html
Trump Floats 2024 Presidential Run Again, Says DeSantis Could Be Potential Running Mate
Trump Floats 2024 Presidential Run Again, Says DeSantis Could Be Potential Running Mate
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Tenpoundbass
2021 Apr 29, 12:35pm
Tenpoundbass
2021 Apr 29, 12:35pm
I spent the morning and after noon looking over the Florida legislature calendar and reading the bills from A to Z.
I have come to the conclusion that if I want to be a more positive person. Just follow the Florida legislation for the next 3 1/2 years until the Biden occupation blows over.
It looks like DeSantis and the GOP legislatures are doing all they can to preempt the out of State Commies fleeing to Florida to flip it blue.
Voter integrity laws are all very promising and hopeful.
Candidates can't run as No Party affiliated unless they sign a non partisan pledge, and it is determined that they haven't been a registered party member or affiliated in anyway with a party for a determined amount of time. This will stop spoiler candidates from crapping a leading candidate siphoning votes from them.
Lots of right to work laws, and repeal of decades of oppressive legislation.
It's a complete 180 of all of the Commie legislation in Washington.
I even saw a bill prohibiting the spread of Marxism or Communist material, or a Marxist from holding office.
All of you Floridians go check it out if you want to be cheered up.
https://myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Bills/bills.aspx
I have come to the conclusion that if I want to be a more positive person. Just follow the Florida legislation for the next 3 1/2 years until the Biden occupation blows over.
It looks like DeSantis and the GOP legislatures are doing all they can to preempt the out of State Commies fleeing to Florida to flip it blue.
Voter integrity laws are all very promising and hopeful.
Candidates can't run as No Party affiliated unless they sign a non partisan pledge, and it is determined that they haven't been a registered party member or affiliated in anyway with a party for a determined amount of time. This will stop spoiler candidates from crapping a leading candidate siphoning votes from them.
Lots of right to work laws, and repeal of decades of oppressive legislation.
It's a complete 180 of all of the Commie legislation in Washington.
I even saw a bill prohibiting the spread of Marxism or Communist material, or a Marxist from holding office.
All of you Floridians go check it out if you want to be cheered up.
https://myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Bills/bills.aspx
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GNL
2021 Apr 29, 1:35pm
GNL
2021 Apr 29, 1:35pm
Ceffer says
How does it go...people go crazy all at once but wake up one by one?
HunterTits saysCalifornia Pissing Me Off
It took that long?
How does it go...people go crazy all at once but wake up one by one?
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AmericanKulak
2021 Apr 29, 1:47pm
AmericanKulak
2021 Apr 29, 1:47pm
Dude it doesn't bother me because I work at home.
But some people work in an office or some other place people can see, and they want to read threads and YOUR posts, but it's a PITA to them if it's flagrant titties.
I don't see anything wrong with your new avatar.
But some people work in an office or some other place people can see, and they want to read threads and YOUR posts, but it's a PITA to them if it's flagrant titties.
I don't see anything wrong with your new avatar.
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Onvacation
2021 Apr 29, 1:49pm
Onvacation
2021 Apr 29, 1:49pm
HunterTits says
Ignore him.
@Patrick I am fucking tired of this bullshit. This is outright trolling harassment.
Ignore him.
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Shaman
2021 Apr 29, 1:57pm
Shaman
2021 Apr 29, 1:57pm
HunterTits says
I don’t want Trump to run again. The media has already done his brand far too much damage by misconstruing things he’s said until they’re popular culture (like Sarah Palin and her Russia’s my backyard). Plus he’s not my favorite. I don’t even want him as a running mate for DeSantis.
DeSantis and running mate Rand Paul. Paul is my first choice but he has that problem where he has bad hair and that dooms his runs every time. However he could make it as the VP running after a successful two term popular President, like Bush 1st.
Trump Floats 2024 Presidential Run Again, Says DeSantis Could Be Potential Running Mate
I don’t want Trump to run again. The media has already done his brand far too much damage by misconstruing things he’s said until they’re popular culture (like Sarah Palin and her Russia’s my backyard). Plus he’s not my favorite. I don’t even want him as a running mate for DeSantis.
DeSantis and running mate Rand Paul. Paul is my first choice but he has that problem where he has bad hair and that dooms his runs every time. However he could make it as the VP running after a successful two term popular President, like Bush 1st.
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RWSGFY
2021 Apr 29, 2:00pm
RWSGFY
2021 Apr 29, 2:00pm
Shaman says
Who's to say they won't do the same to another non-establishment candidate? At least with Trump that shit will be "old news".
I don’t want Trump to run again. The media has already done his brand far too much damage by misconstruing things he’s said until they’re popular culture (like Sarah Palin and her Russia’s my backyard).
Who's to say they won't do the same to another non-establishment candidate? At least with Trump that shit will be "old news".
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GNL
2021 Apr 29, 2:22pm
GNL
2021 Apr 29, 2:22pm
FuckCCP89 says
I agree. Plus it would push their shit right back down their throats. Damn, America is sure in a bad spot when we all see each other as enemies.
Shaman saysI don’t want Trump to run again. The media has already done his brand far too much damage by misconstruing things he’s said until they’re popular culture (like Sarah Palin and her Russia’s my backyard).
Who's to say they won't do the same to another non-establishment candidate? At least with Trump that shit will be "old news".
I agree. Plus it would push their shit right back down their throats. Damn, America is sure in a bad spot when we all see each other as enemies.
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mell
2021 Apr 29, 2:25pm
HunterTits says
Epochtimes generally is not a paywall, there is always a button to remove the solicitation and read the full article, or you can give a bs spam - or your leftoid neighbor's - email address to continue reading for free.
zzyzzx sayshttps://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-floats-2024-presidential-run-again-says-desantis-could-be-potential-running-mate_3796008.html
Trump Floats 2024 Presidential Run Again, Says DeSantis Could Be Potential Running Mate
If true, Trump just saved a lot of jobs over at CNN.
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2021 Apr 29, 2:34pm
Shaman
2021 Apr 29, 2:34pm
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“ I endorsed Ron, and after I endorsed him, he took off like a rocketship,” the former president told Fox Business on April 29. “He’s done a great job as governor. I’m saying what I read and what you read, they love that ticket. Certainly, Ron would be considered. He’s a great guy.”
If Trump doesn’t run, DeSantis has been considered a potential GOP frontrunner for 2024. The Florida governor has been praised by numerous Republicans for his move to lift all COVID-19-related restrictions in his state in September, making Florida one of the most open states.
“I ran twice, and the second time, I got 12 million more votes than the first time,” Trump said in the interview.
The former commander-in-chief, however, didn’t make a definitive prediction in the interview about running again. If he makes an announcement too early, it “has a big impact on fundraising and many other things.”
“It’s a little bit of a crazy, complex thing,” Trump said. “The whole fundraising contribution stuff is ridiculous; the laws are so archaic and stupid, frankly.”
Separately, Trump encouraged Republicans to “have courage” and “keep fighting” against the Democrats’ agenda.
It’s going to happen,” he said. “We’re going to turn it around. They’ve gone too far. They can’t get away with this. We can’t allow them to get away with this. They’re destroying our country. Have courage. It’s going to happen. I’m with you.”
It came after President Joe Biden’s first speech to Congress on April 28, where he pushed a vision of more government investment funded by the wealthy. He made a plea to raise taxes on corporations and high-earning Americans to pay for his $1.8 trillion American Families Plan.
“It’s time for corporate America and the wealthiest 1 percent of Americans to pay their fair share … just pay their fair share,” Biden said.
He argued that his proposals for families and infrastructure, which together total about $4 trillion, represent a once-in-a-generation investment vital to America’s future.
Some Republicans have said that the proposals are part of a socialist agenda designed to increase government control over Americans’ lives.
“The President has adopted the radical left’s agenda to control every aspect of your life,” House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) wrote on Twitter in response. “Republicans will work with anyone to build America up, but we can’t tax and spend our way out of our problems. We will not stand by as he takes us down the path of socialism.”
DeSantis’s office didn’t respond to a request for comment by press time.
“ I endorsed Ron, and after I endorsed him, he took off like a rocketship,” the former president told Fox Business on April 29. “He’s done a great job as governor. I’m saying what I read and what you read, they love that ticket. Certainly, Ron would be considered. He’s a great guy.”
If Trump doesn’t run, DeSantis has been considered a potential GOP frontrunner for 2024. The Florida governor has been praised by numerous Republicans for his move to lift all COVID-19-related restrictions in his state in September, making Florida one of the most open states.
“I ran twice, and the second time, I got 12 million more votes than the first time,” Trump said in the interview.
The former commander-in-chief, however, didn’t make a definitive prediction in the interview about running again. If he makes an announcement too early, it “has a big impact on fundraising and many other things.”
“It’s a little bit of a crazy, complex thing,” Trump said. “The whole fundraising contribution stuff is ridiculous; the laws are so archaic and stupid, frankly.”
Separately, Trump encouraged Republicans to “have courage” and “keep fighting” against the Democrats’ agenda.
It’s going to happen,” he said. “We’re going to turn it around. They’ve gone too far. They can’t get away with this. We can’t allow them to get away with this. They’re destroying our country. Have courage. It’s going to happen. I’m with you.”
It came after President Joe Biden’s first speech to Congress on April 28, where he pushed a vision of more government investment funded by the wealthy. He made a plea to raise taxes on corporations and high-earning Americans to pay for his $1.8 trillion American Families Plan.
“It’s time for corporate America and the wealthiest 1 percent of Americans to pay their fair share … just pay their fair share,” Biden said.
He argued that his proposals for families and infrastructure, which together total about $4 trillion, represent a once-in-a-generation investment vital to America’s future.
Some Republicans have said that the proposals are part of a socialist agenda designed to increase government control over Americans’ lives.
“The President has adopted the radical left’s agenda to control every aspect of your life,” House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) wrote on Twitter in response. “Republicans will work with anyone to build America up, but we can’t tax and spend our way out of our problems. We will not stand by as he takes us down the path of socialism.”
DeSantis’s office didn’t respond to a request for comment by press time.
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