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richwicks says

I've explained why unvaccinated people and even unvaccinated people who are ill are NOT THREATS to vaccinated people, PROVIDED the vaccine works. So, why is there this continued push to get everybody into a fucking roster to track their movements to supposedly "slow the spread" or to "flatten the curve"?

That's an important point even the "naive" may comprehend. The flu vaccine has been out forever and gets modified each year according to a best-guess cocktail of strains. Some people take it, some don't, but those who take it are certainly not in any way or shape afraid of those who don't, since - if the cocktail is right - they should have nothing to fear! Somehow this all changed with covid. The experimental biological agent is now available to anybody in masses, and with 81% having cross immunity anyways and roughly 30% "immunized" (many obviously unnecessarily), who the fuck should give a shit about any covid mandates, useless mask mandates, opening restrictions or vaccine "mandates"?! Maybe not being able to answer this simple question will wake up some sheep.

Onvacation says

Do you really think Dr. in front of a name gives a person legitimacy?

MD is a masters in biosciences, roughly 16 courses after basic undergrad biology (with a lot of overlap) plus clinical rotations in the basic areas of medicine. That fact that ppl believe that that makes 'em a genius really tells me how bad our science education is.

joshuatrio says

The most "honest" MD/medical people I've come to trust are those who have overcome serious medical conditions (because big pharma failed them), and they got off all meds and adopted a different lifestyle.

I used to struggle with inflammation and neck pain. Docs wanted me all drugged up. I went on an anti-inflammatory diet and water fast every 6 weeks and no longer have issues.

Well, there is an injectable Quercetin so MD practitioners can have it both ways ... use a syringe but have it loaded with something natural which is anti-inflammatory, anti-viral, and anti-tumor.

In the name of social justice and racial equity , I am taking the bold stand to not get the jab until every POC on the planet has received it first. I feel that this will atone for the sins of my ancestors. ...........Sound legit ?

Conversation with my leftist father in law this morning... He won't talk to me anymore.

Truth hurts - but I'm tired of pandering to propaganda.

joshuatrio says

Conversation with my leftist father in law this morning... He won't talk to me anymore.

Truth hurts - but I'm tired of pandering to propaganda.

Should've taken the "actively anti-racist" approach posted above. I tried it on two Berkeley leftoids already and they literally had nothing to say in response. =))

Lol. Good response. Remind him too that even after the FDA approves it, there are still plenty of other drugs that kill people they approve. It's a flawed system.

It's a 3 letter government agency. I don't trust them unless it's got about 5 years+ of human testing/use AFTER it's approved. I'm not anti-vaccination either. Just not this one and not right now. Based on the hype of this virus I should be dead right now anyway given how I've lived/traveled. Party in the Ozarks in about 2 weeks. Every meal at a restaurant. Pool bars on the lake. It's almost like I'm trying to get Covid the last year.

joshuatrio says

Conversation with my leftist father in law this morning... He won't talk to me anymore.

Truth hurts - but I'm tired of pandering to propaganda.

Haha, fuck him. He hates freedom. My mother inlaw won't see us unless we take the Vax. I told her she will probably end up dying all alone. I don't care anymore either.

FuckCCP89 says

joshuatrio says

Conversation with my leftist father in law this morning... He won't talk to me anymore.

Truth hurts - but I'm tired of pandering to propaganda.

Should've taken the "actively anti-racist" approach posted above. I tried it on two Berkeley leftoids already and they literally had nothing to say in response. =))

Stand your ground or your father inlaw will own you forever. He can't disown you unless he wants to cause major disruption to other relationships.

Stay away from people who hate freedom.

WineHorror1 says

Stand your ground or your father inlaw will own you forever. He can't disown you unless he wants to cause major disruption to other relationships.

100% agree....

I admit I have changed....I used to be more on the pro-vaccine side but the BS on the pro-vaxxers exceeds the BS on the anti-vaxxers.
I also deal with super leftist people in our family and its gotten to the point where I said i am out and go fuck you. These people feel empowered all of a sudden and push their guidelines/rules onto others. I am sick of it and sometimes its better to cut ties to toxic family members....

joshuatrio says

Truth hurts - but I'm tired of pandering to propaganda.

good for you. Stand your ground. fuck people who think they can tell us what to do.

I just try to avoid talking to them about politics or the scamdemic at all.

I'll change the topic to the weather as a hint.

Patrick says

I just try to avoid talking to them about politics or the scamdemic at all.

That only works with normal people. Some leftists are mental....and all they want to do is argue about politics and scamdemic....their whole purpose is to bring this up constantly. What do you do with that? Stay the fuck away?

No, just don't answer those things.

It's kind of passive-aggressive fun as well. They get super frustrated and pained when you just don't take their bait.

Patrick says

No, just don't answer those things.

It's kind of passive-aggressive fun as well. They get super frustrated and pained when you just don't take their bait.

True. With some, I am like, fuck that, I wont waste my time seeing them at all. Time is too precious to have shittards in your life.

WineHorror1 says

Stand your ground or your father inlaw will own you forever. He can't disown you unless he wants to cause major disruption to other relationships.

I'm just sick and tired of his leftist mindset. I refuse to entertain his false perception of reality anymore and often pop his bubble. He hates truth like most leftists do.

For some reason, people nowadays think it's better to stay silent and not rock the boat, than to be truthful and honest with family and friends. Part of the reason our country is in the position it's in.

Sad though, because this guy used to be my best friend when we lived in California. We could talk about anything, even if I needed marital advice, we could talk through things - I was closer with him than my own dad for a period of time.

Then we left California and moved to GA, and he's gone 100% leftoid.

He pretends to be open to other opinions, but he really just walks around in this self-righteous bubble of his expecting people to conform to his point of view.

Look, if you prove me wrong, I will concede and acknowledge that you are right after we battle it out a bit. But this guy immediately shuts down on you when he hears something he doesn't like. Completely unopen to others opinions.

Ok, I'm done venting.

joshuatrio says

For some reason, people nowadays think it's better to stay silent and not rock the boat, than to be truthful and honest with family and friends. Part of the reason our country is in the position it's in.

Sad though, because this guy used to be my best friend when we lived in California. We could talk about anything, even if I needed marital advice, we could talk through things - I was closer with him than my own dad for a period of time.

Then we left California and moved to GA, and he's gone 100% leftoid.

He pretends to be open to other opinions, but he really just walks around in this self-righteous bubble of his expecting people to conform to his point of view.

Look, if you prove me wrong, I will concede and acknowledge that you are right after we battle it out a bit. But this guy immediately shuts down on you when he hears something he doesn't like. Completely unopen to others opinions.

reads like a chapter from my life. 100% with you on that.

Patrick says

I just try to avoid talking to them about politics or the scamdemic at all.

I'll change the topic to the weather as a hint.

I generally do. But he's passive aggressive all the time now and needs a dose of reality.

He could have said "I'm hosting dinner for a party of 8." and left it at that, but then he had to add "vax required."

He also didn't have to ask if I'd gotten the vax, since it's ultimately my choice - which he obviously didn't care because he is nosy and expects me to share his point of view.

But I can't stand down anymore Patrick. This shit has gone on too long. If people aren't honest with others, we're gonna keep deteriorating as a society.

Point is, I don't care if you're vaxxed or not. Don't push your religion on me though. However, it's now become a hill to die on for these people - and unfortunately, they don't respect anyone else's opinion, only their own. It's a two way street.

Sometimes it's just better to ask a question than to argue.

When they come to the conclusion themselves, then it's their conclusion and they will love it and stick with it.

For example: "How is it possible that no one got the flu in 2020?" Just ask and then leave the area and don't argue. Arguing makes them take the opposite point of view. Leaving lets them reach new conclusions.

It's also may work to suggest that they "overlooked" something. Everyone overlooks things, and it's not shameful to change your mind based on that.

Graphs are really good at reaching people too, giving them a visual perspective of the argument:

Patrick says

Sometimes it's just better to ask a question than to argue.

When they come to the conclusion themselves, then it's their conclusion and they will love it and stick with it.

Generally yes, and I do agree with you - for most people.

Not with him though man. He doesn't read, nor does he care to do research. He is a CNN headline watcher.

I have to push back with him.

He treats my wife like crap when he visits, and we have tried for the last several years (since we left CA) to build and maintain that bridge with him - but he's just pissed all over it man. He acts like the world revolves around him and the only person that's right is him.

By the way, he is about 350+ pounds and diabetic. Yet, he is an expert on nutrition as well.

Some people are trail buddies rather than the friends you keep. They are good company while engaged in a mutual pursuit or a portion of your life’s path but they eventually go their own way that diverges from your path and the ride is over. Best you can hope for there is a cordial parting.

I had a best friend like that. Dude went super left, married a harridan who demanded to remain childless, and sucked him into her self-centered lifestyle. I no longer have anything in common with the guy except for shared history. Our paths have completely diverged, and we no longer talk.
Way it goes I guess. Plenty of people in this world. Lots of them are nice, although the percentages go way up once you leave California.
I’m not much on the people here. Some nice people sure, but they aren’t that common. And you’ll probably meet them at church.

ThreeBays says

FDA hasn't approved HCQ or Ivermectin (worm medicine) for Covid - since when was FDA the last word for rightists?

But they have approved it for other uses and these medications have a strong history of safety.

The FDA wont touch the mRNA therapies with a ten foot pole. They've been burnt before.

Onvacation says

The FDA wont touch the mRNA therapies with a ten foot pole. They've been burnt before.

What do you mean by this statement?

joshuatrio says

By the way, he is about 350+ pounds and diabetic. Yet, he is an expert on nutrition as well.

Next time he pisses you off, send him this:

ThreeBays says

joshuatrio says

FDA hasn't approved HCQ or Ivermectin (worm medicine) for Covid - since when was FDA the last word for rightists?

Unless I'm reading this improperly, HCQ has been approved for use by the FDA for over 50 years.

https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cder/daf/index.cfm?event=overview.process&varApplNo=009768

They pulled it for covid use, despite it being effective.

No, the FDA is not the gold standard, but if this shit hasn't even been tested on animals yet, why would I pump this into my body.

Come on now.

joshuatrio says

he is about 350+ pounds and diabetic

I think that may be your explanation right there. He probably has a psychological need to feel validated.

joshuatrio says

They pulled it for covid use, despite it being effective.

I'd go further and say they pulled HCQ exactly because it is effective.

They are not allowed to get an emergency use authorization to experiment on the public with the "vaccines" when there is an effective existing treatment.

And of course it's much better that many people die than that Trump get even the slightest credit for being right, if you think like a Democrat.

ThreeBays says

joshuatrio says

FDA hasn't approved HCQ or Ivermectin (worm medicine) for Covid - since when was FDA the last word for rightists?

They don't need to because they are far more safer than the experimental vaccines err biological agents, with a history of decades used in humans and animals. Ever heard of off label use? Every MD is free to do so for any generally approved drug, no need for any agency to weigh in.

ThreeBays says

Patrick says

I'd go further and say they pulled HCQ exactly because it is effective.

They are not allowed to get an emergency use authorization to experiment on the public with the "vaccines" when there is an effective existing treatment.

And of course it's much better that many people die than that Trump get even the slightest credit for being right, if you think like a Democrat.

It's not effective enough to change any authorization, and probably not effective at all based the studies.



Has anyone here taken the drug?

The "studies" done didn't administer early and moreover without zinc. HCQ is a zinc ionosphere. MDs around the world had great success with hcq plus zinc. You can take these "studies" straight to the trashcan.

mell says

The "studies" done didn't administer early and moreover without zinc. HCQ is a zinc ionosphere. MDs around the world had great success with hcq plus zinc. You can take these "studies" straight to the trashcan.

+1 It's a nice glossy to show off to your Leftist friends, but those studies are completely flawed for this reason. Let's talk Ivermectin, which has been proven to be VERY effective at all stages of COVID infection and even prevention. These experimental vaccines are complete BS when there are WAAAAY safer and proven treatments.

WineHorror1 says

Onvacation says

The FDA wont touch the mRNA therapies with a ten foot pole. They've been burnt before.

What do you mean by this statement?

FDA is not approving until after the human trials are done in 2023. They got burnt by swine flu and polio vaccines.

I read it somewhere on the internet.

ThreeBays says

Must be tru.

yup

You can always find articles to confirm your bias. But they won't confirm your biased.

porkchopexpress says

mell says

The "studies" done didn't administer early and moreover without zinc. HCQ is a zinc ionosphere. MDs around the world had great success with hcq plus zinc. You can take these "studies" straight to the trashcan.

+1 It's a nice glossy to show off to your Leftist friends, but those studies are completely flawed for this reason. Let's talk Ivermectin, which has been proven to be VERY effective at all stages of COVID infection and even prevention. These experimental vaccines are complete BS when there are WAAAAY safer and proven treatments.

Agreed Ivermectin is more effective than HCQ and likely even a tad bit safer, but HCQ plus zinc is still a formidable 2nd option. Maybe all 3 can be given together for maximum effect but nobody has any interest in finding out since there's zero money to be made with these old drugs.

https://www.ntd.com/denmark-drops-johnson-johnson-covid-19-vaccine-over-possible-blood-clot-link_607482.html?utm_source=patrick.net&utm_medium=patrick.net&utm_campaign=patrick.net

ThreeBays says

Hungary (#1 in deaths per capita in the world) is a HCQ world power https://hungarianfreepress.com/2020/04/11/hungary-is-a-hydroxychloroquine-world-power/
Czechs (#3) are big on HCQ too.

Easy to explain if you must assume you can trust any of these numbers from any country. The avg. age is around 43 for those 2 whereas the US is at 38, that's a huge difference, plenty more really old people over there.

Patrick says

And of course it's much better that many people die than that Trump get even the slightest credit for being right, if you think like a Democrat.

And that’s what has pissed me off about Democrats and their bureaucracy and healthcare shenanigans. If you got Covid before the vaccine, good luck getting medical care. Doctors wouldn’t touch you or prescribe anything to help you recover. You had to go to the ER, and they were likely to stick you in a ventilator and sedate you so you never wake up again. Tens of thousands of people died like this, many simply because they were scared and acquiesced to medical malpractice. Doctors killed more people this year than any other source. It’s really disgraceful.
And Democrats were urging them on, with their grubby little hands on the doctors licenses just in case they got any ideas about curing people.

This last year proved that Democrats are our worst domestic terrorists by far.

One of the comments from the newest Denninger blog entry:

"
Just got the phone call that I was dreading. My 80 year old father who is otherwise in terrific health for his age just had a stroke this afternoon. My mother, who is also 80 is not in the same health situation. Smoker all her life, a little overweight, pre-diabetic, and suffers from migraines. Since my mother was getting the shot, my father did it with her (both got their second shots 3 weeks ago). I warned my father that he should skip it since he is probably healthier than most men 30 years younger than him (has worked outdoors most of his life and is one of the strongest 80-year-olds I have ever come across), and told my mother that she was still taking a gamble but at least, with her conditions, she was in that 50/50 club (although if she would go the ivermectin/zinc/Vit-D/inhaler route, she would probably be fine). When they tell you that it is an experimental vax and they have no liability, they mean it - and you are rolling the dice with life. Looks like my father is going to be on the losing end of that gamble unfortunately. I will let you all know what gets reported if it comes down to that.
"

Heartbreaking.