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Patrick
2021 Jun 14, 11:11pm
Patrick
2021 Jun 14, 11:11pm
19-year-old Simone Scott was excited to get her second dose of @moderna_tx’s #Covid vaccine on May 1.
Now her mother Valerie Kraimer is arranging her funeral.
Simone, a first-year Northwestern University student, suffered a case of apparent myocarditis-induced heart failure on Sunday, May 16.
Despite extraordinary measures to save her, including a heart transplant, she died Friday morning at Northwestern Memorial Hospital in Chicago.
Now her parents are struggling to understand what happened to Simone – and why they had no idea the Covid vaccines might cause myocarditis.
“I lost my only daughter,” Kraimer said Sunday night. “I never thought I’d have to give up my daughter for the greater good of society.”
Doctors appear to have repeatedly missed signals as Simone’s condition worsened in the two weeks following her second shot – before she abruptly crashed.
In mid-May, Israel was reporting high rates of cases of mRNA vaccine-related myocarditis in young people.
But in the United States, vaccinations had just been opened for 12-15 year-olds - and @cdcgov played down the myocarditis risk in young people.
In a statement May 17, the day after Simone died, the CDC reported that it had found “relatively few reports of myocarditis to date...”
Simone’s physicians still have not confirmed that her vaccine caused her heart failure.
But despite nearly a month of intense investigation, including an pathological examination of her heart after its removal in the transplant, they have offered no other explanation.
“My fear is that we’ll never know what happened to Simone,” her father, Kevin Scott, said Sunday night. “[The vaccine] is a coincidence that is too big to ignore.”
“I do suspect it was the vaccine,” Kraimer said. “If it wasn’t direct, it played a role.”
Simone had been a healthy young woman, her only notable illnesses a bout of pneumonia when she was an infant and a second in high school.
She told her mother in sixth grade she wanted to go to Northwestern. Six years later she applied early to the university and was accepted.
“She was very, very disciplined," Kraimer said.
That discipline extended to her attitude toward Covid. She always wore masks and followed Northwestern’s sometimes onerous rules about testing when the school allowed its first-year students on campus in January.
Despite its Covid restrictions, the school was everything she hoped, her mother said.
She produced stories for the school’s in-house television network and quickly made friends.
“She was a Wildcat [the Northwestern mascot] through and through,” Kraimer said. “She bled purple.”
And when Illinois opened vaccinations to younger people, she quickly made an appointment.
“She took it upon herself to get vaccinated,” Kevin Scott said.
But she suffered serious short-term side effects after her first dose April 3 and never fully recovered, her parents said.
Throughout April she had a cough and and felt fatigued. Simone checked in with her mother, who lived near Cincinnati, frequently. Kraimer asked her to go to a doctor.
But neither Simone nor her mother considered whether the vaccine might be behind her symptoms, Kraimer said.
“We thought it was either allegories or a sinus infection.”
So on May 1, as scheduled, Simone received her second Moderna vaccination. This time she had fewer immediate side effects.
But when she flew back to Ohio to surprise her mother for Mother’s Day, Sunday May 9, Kraimer noticed she seemed tired. And Simone told her mother she’d had repeated nosebleeds.
Kraimer told her she needed to make an appointment with a doctor.
Back in Illinois on Wednesday, May 12, she did.
But the visit was virtual and Simone forgot to mention that she’d noticed swelling the day before in her lymph nodes.
The physician told her she probably had allergies.
The next day, she had a low fever and went to the student health clinic. Tests for Sars-Cov-2, flu, and other viruses were negative.
A doctor noted Simone’s heartbeat was irregular but discharged her, telling her to go to the emergency room if the problem worsened, Kraimer said.
The following day she’d developed a sore throat. She went back to the clinic. By now Kraimer was worried enough to insist her daugher FaceTime the visit.
Simone was told she might have a viral infection, given an anti-viral prescription, and again sent back to her dorm room.
By Friday night she was suffering severe fatigue.
Still, her parents assumed she was simply rundown and sick, especially since doctors had now seen her three times in three days.
“People do get sick, and you get some rest, and you sleep, and you get through it,” Kraimer said.
But everything changed Sunday, May 16. Simone texted her father she was too dizzy to get out of bed or eat.
Her mother packed a bag and began the drive from Ohio to Illinois. Her dad called campus police and asked them to check on her. After initially refusing, the police did.
They found Simone unable to walk and called an ambulance to take her to nearby North Shore Hospital.
Kraimer arrived there that night. When she explained who she was there to see, she was escorted into a waiting room. “That’s when I knew things were not right,” she said.
A doctor appeared, telling her that her daughter had gone into heart failure as she was being transported to the hospital and needed immediate surgery.
“They said her heart was not functioning and they needed to insert a balloon pump to get it working.”
Doctors almost immediately diagnosed Simone with myocarditis - heart inflammation, often caused by viral infection. "They did at that point suspect that it was myocarditis," Kraimer said. "They were thinking it was a virus that had attacked her heart."
But Simone's implant failed to restore her heart function. The next day, she was placed on ECMO, a heart-lung bypass. Nearly a month of increasingly desperate medical procedures followed.
On May 20, with a transplant looming, Simone was moved to Northwestern Memorial, the university’s primary teaching hospital.
She was sedated most of the time, but doctors sometimes lightened the sedation enough for her to text her parents. “Am I going home with you?” she asked.
On Sunday, May 23, Simone’s physicians told her parents that her heart did not seem to be recovering on its own and a transplant was her best option.
“We didn’t have much choice,” Kraimer said.
She had the transplant that night. Ultimately, her new heart did begin to pump.
But her lungs had been severely damaged, and the immunosuppressive drugs necessary for her to avoid rejecting the transplant led to severe lung infections.
After a few hopeful days, her prognosis dimmed.
Her parents never completely lost hope.
But on the morning of Friday, June 11, her doctors told them that they could no longer control her blood pressure and that they should come to say goodbye.
At 11:19 a.m., Simone Scott died. She was 19.
Kraimer and Simone's father repeatedly asked whether the hospital intended to report the case to VAERS, the federal system to report vaccine side effects.
Doctors did not seem particularly interested in doing so for most of the time Simone was there, Kraimer said.
“We kept asking if they did and nobody could tell us if they did,” Kraimer said. “It was just a runaround.”
Finally, the day before Simone died, a physician’s assistant promised to report the case.
With their daughter gone, Simone's parents are now hoping that her story will – at the least – raise awareness of the potential for post-Covid vaccine myocarditis.
“I never knew that there was a risk for something as serious as this,” Kraimer said. “I would have wanted to.”
In the meantime, they are left to mourn the loss of their only child.
On May 12, four days before Simone collapsed, Northwestern required all its students – with very limited exceptions – to be vaccinated for the fall 2021 term.
END
Now her mother Valerie Kraimer is arranging her funeral.
Simone, a first-year Northwestern University student, suffered a case of apparent myocarditis-induced heart failure on Sunday, May 16.
Despite extraordinary measures to save her, including a heart transplant, she died Friday morning at Northwestern Memorial Hospital in Chicago.
Now her parents are struggling to understand what happened to Simone – and why they had no idea the Covid vaccines might cause myocarditis.
“I lost my only daughter,” Kraimer said Sunday night. “I never thought I’d have to give up my daughter for the greater good of society.”
Doctors appear to have repeatedly missed signals as Simone’s condition worsened in the two weeks following her second shot – before she abruptly crashed.
In mid-May, Israel was reporting high rates of cases of mRNA vaccine-related myocarditis in young people.
But in the United States, vaccinations had just been opened for 12-15 year-olds - and @cdcgov played down the myocarditis risk in young people.
In a statement May 17, the day after Simone died, the CDC reported that it had found “relatively few reports of myocarditis to date...”
Simone’s physicians still have not confirmed that her vaccine caused her heart failure.
But despite nearly a month of intense investigation, including an pathological examination of her heart after its removal in the transplant, they have offered no other explanation.
“My fear is that we’ll never know what happened to Simone,” her father, Kevin Scott, said Sunday night. “[The vaccine] is a coincidence that is too big to ignore.”
“I do suspect it was the vaccine,” Kraimer said. “If it wasn’t direct, it played a role.”
Simone had been a healthy young woman, her only notable illnesses a bout of pneumonia when she was an infant and a second in high school.
She told her mother in sixth grade she wanted to go to Northwestern. Six years later she applied early to the university and was accepted.
“She was very, very disciplined," Kraimer said.
That discipline extended to her attitude toward Covid. She always wore masks and followed Northwestern’s sometimes onerous rules about testing when the school allowed its first-year students on campus in January.
Despite its Covid restrictions, the school was everything she hoped, her mother said.
She produced stories for the school’s in-house television network and quickly made friends.
“She was a Wildcat [the Northwestern mascot] through and through,” Kraimer said. “She bled purple.”
And when Illinois opened vaccinations to younger people, she quickly made an appointment.
“She took it upon herself to get vaccinated,” Kevin Scott said.
But she suffered serious short-term side effects after her first dose April 3 and never fully recovered, her parents said.
Throughout April she had a cough and and felt fatigued. Simone checked in with her mother, who lived near Cincinnati, frequently. Kraimer asked her to go to a doctor.
But neither Simone nor her mother considered whether the vaccine might be behind her symptoms, Kraimer said.
“We thought it was either allegories or a sinus infection.”
So on May 1, as scheduled, Simone received her second Moderna vaccination. This time she had fewer immediate side effects.
But when she flew back to Ohio to surprise her mother for Mother’s Day, Sunday May 9, Kraimer noticed she seemed tired. And Simone told her mother she’d had repeated nosebleeds.
Kraimer told her she needed to make an appointment with a doctor.
Back in Illinois on Wednesday, May 12, she did.
But the visit was virtual and Simone forgot to mention that she’d noticed swelling the day before in her lymph nodes.
The physician told her she probably had allergies.
The next day, she had a low fever and went to the student health clinic. Tests for Sars-Cov-2, flu, and other viruses were negative.
A doctor noted Simone’s heartbeat was irregular but discharged her, telling her to go to the emergency room if the problem worsened, Kraimer said.
The following day she’d developed a sore throat. She went back to the clinic. By now Kraimer was worried enough to insist her daugher FaceTime the visit.
Simone was told she might have a viral infection, given an anti-viral prescription, and again sent back to her dorm room.
By Friday night she was suffering severe fatigue.
Still, her parents assumed she was simply rundown and sick, especially since doctors had now seen her three times in three days.
“People do get sick, and you get some rest, and you sleep, and you get through it,” Kraimer said.
But everything changed Sunday, May 16. Simone texted her father she was too dizzy to get out of bed or eat.
Her mother packed a bag and began the drive from Ohio to Illinois. Her dad called campus police and asked them to check on her. After initially refusing, the police did.
They found Simone unable to walk and called an ambulance to take her to nearby North Shore Hospital.
Kraimer arrived there that night. When she explained who she was there to see, she was escorted into a waiting room. “That’s when I knew things were not right,” she said.
A doctor appeared, telling her that her daughter had gone into heart failure as she was being transported to the hospital and needed immediate surgery.
“They said her heart was not functioning and they needed to insert a balloon pump to get it working.”
Doctors almost immediately diagnosed Simone with myocarditis - heart inflammation, often caused by viral infection. "They did at that point suspect that it was myocarditis," Kraimer said. "They were thinking it was a virus that had attacked her heart."
But Simone's implant failed to restore her heart function. The next day, she was placed on ECMO, a heart-lung bypass. Nearly a month of increasingly desperate medical procedures followed.
On May 20, with a transplant looming, Simone was moved to Northwestern Memorial, the university’s primary teaching hospital.
She was sedated most of the time, but doctors sometimes lightened the sedation enough for her to text her parents. “Am I going home with you?” she asked.
On Sunday, May 23, Simone’s physicians told her parents that her heart did not seem to be recovering on its own and a transplant was her best option.
“We didn’t have much choice,” Kraimer said.
She had the transplant that night. Ultimately, her new heart did begin to pump.
But her lungs had been severely damaged, and the immunosuppressive drugs necessary for her to avoid rejecting the transplant led to severe lung infections.
After a few hopeful days, her prognosis dimmed.
Her parents never completely lost hope.
But on the morning of Friday, June 11, her doctors told them that they could no longer control her blood pressure and that they should come to say goodbye.
At 11:19 a.m., Simone Scott died. She was 19.
Kraimer and Simone's father repeatedly asked whether the hospital intended to report the case to VAERS, the federal system to report vaccine side effects.
Doctors did not seem particularly interested in doing so for most of the time Simone was there, Kraimer said.
“We kept asking if they did and nobody could tell us if they did,” Kraimer said. “It was just a runaround.”
Finally, the day before Simone died, a physician’s assistant promised to report the case.
With their daughter gone, Simone's parents are now hoping that her story will – at the least – raise awareness of the potential for post-Covid vaccine myocarditis.
“I never knew that there was a risk for something as serious as this,” Kraimer said. “I would have wanted to.”
In the meantime, they are left to mourn the loss of their only child.
On May 12, four days before Simone collapsed, Northwestern required all its students – with very limited exceptions – to be vaccinated for the fall 2021 term.
END
1992
richwicks
2021 Jun 14, 11:20pm
richwicks
2021 Jun 14, 11:20pm
mell says
Oh, I don't really believe that.
BOTH my dogs got to 16. They were 45 and 65 lbs - not small dogs.
They'd never get that old in the wild. I used to foster. I've seen 8 year old dogs "living in the rough" and they're way old before their time.
I (really my parents) had dogs when I was a kid in the middle of Nowheresville Nowhere. Seriously, very isolated community. None of them made it past 12. We lived a full 1/2 mile away from the road, nearly all of them were hit by cars. I sometimes wonder if it wasn't just suicide? Some just never returned after a day running around through the wilderness - plenty of animals were around that could take them out.
So I don't worry about "non organic food".
Dogs also get sicker here because we spray glyphosate and other herbicides, pesticides etc. into our nature and it concentrates on the ground and low brush and plants.
Oh, I don't really believe that.
BOTH my dogs got to 16. They were 45 and 65 lbs - not small dogs.
They'd never get that old in the wild. I used to foster. I've seen 8 year old dogs "living in the rough" and they're way old before their time.
I (really my parents) had dogs when I was a kid in the middle of Nowheresville Nowhere. Seriously, very isolated community. None of them made it past 12. We lived a full 1/2 mile away from the road, nearly all of them were hit by cars. I sometimes wonder if it wasn't just suicide? Some just never returned after a day running around through the wilderness - plenty of animals were around that could take them out.
So I don't worry about "non organic food".
1993
richwicks
2021 Jun 14, 11:46pm
richwicks
2021 Jun 14, 11:46pm
ThreeBays says
We are at the point we can no longer trust published statistics. Don't you realize that by now? Clinton has a 97% chance of winning, after all, and Biden is simultaneously got the most votes as a percentage of the people in the country, and got the lowest percentage of counties ever to win.
You have to realize, we really live in clown world. No joke. This isn't the Internet we had in the 1990's, now it's filled with complete disinformation and propagandists and they invade every level of science now. Why do you think Google has a fucking "diversity hiring" quota? Yandex, is seriously eating their lunch.
Patrick saysIvermectin has at least 56 randomized controlled trials so far, with excellent results.
https://medicalupdateonline.com/2020/12/ivermectin-for-covid-19-56-rcts-so-far/
I reckon the 33 million population based trial in Peru between Lima & other states trumps any small trials. If IVM was 80% effective as you believe, shouldn't other states have 20% of the death rate of Lima instead of 300%? Quite a margin of error there, not even close. Honestly I wish IVM worked. Maybe Peru stopped using it as treatment because they realized it doesn't work. I believe people are fundamentally good.
We are at the point we can no longer trust published statistics. Don't you realize that by now? Clinton has a 97% chance of winning, after all, and Biden is simultaneously got the most votes as a percentage of the people in the country, and got the lowest percentage of counties ever to win.
You have to realize, we really live in clown world. No joke. This isn't the Internet we had in the 1990's, now it's filled with complete disinformation and propagandists and they invade every level of science now. Why do you think Google has a fucking "diversity hiring" quota? Yandex, is seriously eating their lunch.
1995
richwicks
2021 Jun 15, 1:16am
richwicks
2021 Jun 15, 1:16am
Patrick says
They have a stock?
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/YNDX
I think that's a good long term play.
Hey, good, I bought stock in Yandex.
They have a stock?
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/YNDX
I think that's a good long term play.
1996
richwicks
2021 Jun 15, 3:22am
richwicks
2021 Jun 15, 3:22am
In response to Patrick
I've tried to contact Dr. Weinstein - I think this might be another confirmation of his hypothesis, but I'm running into a group of PR dopes, so not much hope there. We'll see. Maybe I'll try to contact his brother - he's less famous, so maybe I can more easily contact him. You'd be surprised how easy it is to contact a semi-famous person if you spend the time to track them down. It's a question of how many people are trying to talk to them.
Again, his hypothesis is that animals that are bred at a young age, generation upon generation develop longer telomeres. Longer telomerers allow the organism to repair cellular damage duplicating the cell more times, however, the cost is a greater risk of cancer because each duplication can result in an error - which is uncontrolled cellular duplication when the error allows unlimited duplication. The telomeres are a feature of the organism that prevents infinite duplication of the cell, because eventually there's an error in duplication - this is cancer but if it exhausts the number of telomeres, it ends the uncontrolled duplication - this would be a benign cancer.
The current hypothesis is that when a cell divides, the telomeres of the DNA sequences shortens, giving a maximum number of duplications of the cell. When there are no more telomeres, the cells stop reproducing so if it's an uncontrolled duplication, it still stops because of the shortened telomeres, it can no longer duplicate.
So, at the cost of limiting our lifespan, it reduces our risk of cancer.
Lab rats, never grow old, but they all die of cancer.
There's a LACK of environmental pressure in lab rats to have shortened telomeres because it's not a factor in their reproductive ability, I think the same may be true of chickens, and many farm animals. I'd bet many farm animals die of cancer if they aren't slaughtered. I'd suspect cows would be the next likely organism.
I'll wait a week or two, then try to contact his brother if I get no response. His brother is quite enthusiastic about promoting his younger brother's career - basically, he feels Bret was cheated out of his discovery - if indeed his discovery was correct. The discovery, again, was that all lab rat models of drug tests, are entirely wrong - because they are all mutants. Their cells can duplicate well beyond any normal mammal, so they can fix problems that would normally kill other mammals, because their telomeres are so long. Cut a lab rat? It heals without a scar. Destroy 40% of its heart with a drug? It's fine - but not true for humans. So drugs that rat models are able to deal with just fine, kill humans. As a result, human beings are getting drugs that will kill not only the disease, but the human as well.
I'll contact one of the brothers somehow. Scientists don't look toward farmers for information generally. I think you've pointed something out quite possibly interesting. Maybe. I was once in the 4H club!
I've tried to contact Dr. Weinstein - I think this might be another confirmation of his hypothesis, but I'm running into a group of PR dopes, so not much hope there. We'll see. Maybe I'll try to contact his brother - he's less famous, so maybe I can more easily contact him. You'd be surprised how easy it is to contact a semi-famous person if you spend the time to track them down. It's a question of how many people are trying to talk to them.
Again, his hypothesis is that animals that are bred at a young age, generation upon generation develop longer telomeres. Longer telomerers allow the organism to repair cellular damage duplicating the cell more times, however, the cost is a greater risk of cancer because each duplication can result in an error - which is uncontrolled cellular duplication when the error allows unlimited duplication. The telomeres are a feature of the organism that prevents infinite duplication of the cell, because eventually there's an error in duplication - this is cancer but if it exhausts the number of telomeres, it ends the uncontrolled duplication - this would be a benign cancer.
The current hypothesis is that when a cell divides, the telomeres of the DNA sequences shortens, giving a maximum number of duplications of the cell. When there are no more telomeres, the cells stop reproducing so if it's an uncontrolled duplication, it still stops because of the shortened telomeres, it can no longer duplicate.
So, at the cost of limiting our lifespan, it reduces our risk of cancer.
Lab rats, never grow old, but they all die of cancer.
There's a LACK of environmental pressure in lab rats to have shortened telomeres because it's not a factor in their reproductive ability, I think the same may be true of chickens, and many farm animals. I'd bet many farm animals die of cancer if they aren't slaughtered. I'd suspect cows would be the next likely organism.
I'll wait a week or two, then try to contact his brother if I get no response. His brother is quite enthusiastic about promoting his younger brother's career - basically, he feels Bret was cheated out of his discovery - if indeed his discovery was correct. The discovery, again, was that all lab rat models of drug tests, are entirely wrong - because they are all mutants. Their cells can duplicate well beyond any normal mammal, so they can fix problems that would normally kill other mammals, because their telomeres are so long. Cut a lab rat? It heals without a scar. Destroy 40% of its heart with a drug? It's fine - but not true for humans. So drugs that rat models are able to deal with just fine, kill humans. As a result, human beings are getting drugs that will kill not only the disease, but the human as well.
I'll contact one of the brothers somehow. Scientists don't look toward farmers for information generally. I think you've pointed something out quite possibly interesting. Maybe. I was once in the 4H club!
1998
mell
2021 Jun 15, 9:58am
richwicks says
It's not about organic. It's about concentration of pesticides. It's the same principle as to why kids used to get sick from lead in fuel but adults didn't get as sick if at all. And families living on ground floor were worse off than those living on the 4th or 5th floor. Smaller beings inhale what's close to the ground, and animals eat a lot of the plants that have been sprayed or come in very close contact with them. It's a real issue for small beings, hardly an issue for a 6 foot tall grown adult. Doesn't always mean though that life is easier "in the wild" as we optimize their care in other ways.
mell saysDogs also get sicker here because we spray glyphosate and other herbicides, pesticides etc. into our nature and it concentrates on the ground and low brush and plants.
Oh, I don't really believe that.
BOTH my dogs got to 16. They were 45 and 65 lbs - not small dogs.
They'd never get that old in the wild. I used to foster. I've seen 8 year old dogs "living in the rough" and they're way old before their time.
I (really my parents) had dogs when I was a kid in the middle of Nowheresville Nowhere. Seriously, very isolated community. None of them made it past 12. We lived a full 1/2 mile away from the road, nearly all of them were hit by cars. I sometimes wonder if it wasn't just suicide? Some just never returned after a day running around through the wilderness - plenty of animals were around that could take them out.
So I don't worry about "non organic food".
It's not about organic. It's about concentration of pesticides. It's the same principle as to why kids used to get sick from lead in fuel but adults didn't get as sick if at all. And families living on ground floor were worse off than those living on the 4th or 5th floor. Smaller beings inhale what's close to the ground, and animals eat a lot of the plants that have been sprayed or come in very close contact with them. It's a real issue for small beings, hardly an issue for a 6 foot tall grown adult. Doesn't always mean though that life is easier "in the wild" as we optimize their care in other ways.
2000
Robert Sproul
2021 Jun 15, 8:14pm
Dr Roger Hodkinson in Canada calls it all EXTREME MEDICAL MALPRACTICE in this 40 minute video with Anna Brees:
original link
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original link
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2001
Karloff
2021 Jun 15, 9:54pm
Karloff
2021 Jun 15, 9:54pm
Good to hear from Hodkinson again. Brees interrupts too much though, and the good doctor is still naive in thinking how they're going to get their message out. He says,
"You can't suppress books"
After he personally experienced what goes on with censorship by massive tech giants, government, and the medical industry, he thinks globalist Amazon is going to just let those books fly out of their warehouses? The cabal behind this will ensure all major publishers will be the choke point.
Oh, and that Bernier fellow they mention near the end? They arrested that guy.
"You can't suppress books"
After he personally experienced what goes on with censorship by massive tech giants, government, and the medical industry, he thinks globalist Amazon is going to just let those books fly out of their warehouses? The cabal behind this will ensure all major publishers will be the choke point.
Oh, and that Bernier fellow they mention near the end? They arrested that guy.
2002
Patrick
2021 Jun 15, 10:02pm
Patrick
2021 Jun 15, 10:02pm
The Streisand Effect should help mitigate that though.
People do want to read exactly what you try to prevent them from reading.
People do want to read exactly what you try to prevent them from reading.
2004
Patrick
2021 Jun 16, 3:31am
Patrick
2021 Jun 16, 3:31am
I bought it exactly because it is not Google. Yandex has a far better security profile!
If you don't want to be spied on by the CIA/NSA etc, then Yandex is the place to search.
I actually bought the stock in 2015, and have doubled my money. So it's been good.
P/E is not bad considering the revenue growth:
PEG is more important than plain P/E
If you don't want to be spied on by the CIA/NSA etc, then Yandex is the place to search.
I actually bought the stock in 2015, and have doubled my money. So it's been good.
P/E is not bad considering the revenue growth:
PEG is more important than plain P/E
2005
WookieMan
2021 Jun 16, 6:09am
WookieMan
2021 Jun 16, 6:09am
I have my first vaccination challenge coming this October assuming they keep regulations the same. BVI is open and you can get in if vaccinated. No quarantine. We have a boat day planned from St. Thomas and want to stop in the BVI as last time one of our dip shit friends didn't have a passport. I've been, but the Baths on Virgin Gorda are amazing. Haven't gotten over to Jost Van Dyke either.
I'm not getting vaxxed. Wife is willing to and I don't want her too. Besides the card I've seen here and elsewhere, anyone have any suggestions of work arounds? It's another country and wasn't sure if some database has been created that's being shared with the world. I highly doubt they'd actually call the place of the poke and confirm if I've been vaccinated. Too labor intensive as they'd likely be on hold for minutes and maybe hours and they have a steady flow of people coming in.
Hysterical part is you still need a negative covid test AND be vaccinated. Not the US government, but pure retardation. I thought the vaccine protected you? Basically an admission that covid is the flu and will keep spreading indefinitely. Hopefully they unwind this fear mongering by the time we go as I'm not getting vaccinated and not sure the consequences of getting caught with a forged vax card.
I'm not getting vaxxed. Wife is willing to and I don't want her too. Besides the card I've seen here and elsewhere, anyone have any suggestions of work arounds? It's another country and wasn't sure if some database has been created that's being shared with the world. I highly doubt they'd actually call the place of the poke and confirm if I've been vaccinated. Too labor intensive as they'd likely be on hold for minutes and maybe hours and they have a steady flow of people coming in.
Hysterical part is you still need a negative covid test AND be vaccinated. Not the US government, but pure retardation. I thought the vaccine protected you? Basically an admission that covid is the flu and will keep spreading indefinitely. Hopefully they unwind this fear mongering by the time we go as I'm not getting vaccinated and not sure the consequences of getting caught with a forged vax card.
2006
joshuatrio
2021 Jun 16, 6:20am
joshuatrio
2021 Jun 16, 6:20am
WookieMan says
No, there is not a massive database in the US on who got the shot. Biden and his crew already backed off the vax passport because:
1) States fought him on this
2) Biden/Psaki admitted they didn't have a way to track vaxxed people making this whole thing a cluster and losing 100% control of the narrative.
You can download the CDC vax card and fill that shit out yourself if you want. Plenty of people have posted their shots online for you to copy. They have no real way of tracing it back.
However, they are now pushing the booster shot this Sept which may be the ground work on how to track those who took it.
The whole thing from covid to the shot is a joke.
It's another country and wasn't sure if some database has been created that's being shared with the world. I highly doubt they'd actually call the place of the poke and confirm if I've been vaccinated. Too labor intensive as they'd likely be on hold for minutes and maybe hours and they have a steady flow of people coming in.
No, there is not a massive database in the US on who got the shot. Biden and his crew already backed off the vax passport because:
1) States fought him on this
2) Biden/Psaki admitted they didn't have a way to track vaxxed people making this whole thing a cluster and losing 100% control of the narrative.
You can download the CDC vax card and fill that shit out yourself if you want. Plenty of people have posted their shots online for you to copy. They have no real way of tracing it back.
However, they are now pushing the booster shot this Sept which may be the ground work on how to track those who took it.
The whole thing from covid to the shot is a joke.
2007
RWSGFY
2021 Jun 16, 6:56am
RWSGFY
2021 Jun 16, 6:56am
WookieMan says
They will simply be told to fuck off: no medical provider would divulge any info about their patient to some fuck on the phone claiming he's some kind if authority figure in some shithole country. The lawsuit would be epic.
I highly doubt they'd actually call the place of the poke and confirm if I've been vaccinated. Too labor intensive as they'd likely be on hold for minutes and maybe hours and they have a steady flow of people coming in.
They will simply be told to fuck off: no medical provider would divulge any info about their patient to some fuck on the phone claiming he's some kind if authority figure in some shithole country. The lawsuit would be epic.
2008
GNL
2021 Jun 16, 6:57am
GNL
2021 Jun 16, 6:57am
joshuatrio says
If it's a joke, we have nothing to worry about then. If it's an evil plan...
The whole thing from covid to the shot is a joke.
If it's a joke, we have nothing to worry about then. If it's an evil plan...
2009
WookieMan
2021 Jun 16, 7:14am
WookieMan
2021 Jun 16, 7:14am
joshuatrio says
I'm just pissed this is something I even have to think about. I think most MLB stadiums are at full capacity now. Cases should be surging like a mother fucker. They're below the start of this thing at this point as far as new daily cases. Vaccine doesn't stop the spread, just reduces or stops symptoms. I'm going to Red Rocks, CO this weekend for a show. I have zero fear of covid from the plane, concert or my buddies coming down from MT.
None of this has ever made sense, but I keep getting so fucking frustrated over it. We need to move the fuck on. I honestly don't think this will be labeled as a pandemic historically down the road. Basically 3.9M deaths out of 7B+. That's a rounding error. 0.05% of the population died "supposedly" from this virus. Most have multiple health issues or older in age. Pandemics kill kids, it kills everyone. This kills old fat people. Who cares? Don't be fat and you can't stop aging. BOOM! Pandemic solved.
However, they are now pushing the booster shot this Sept which may be the ground work on how to track those who took it.
I'm just pissed this is something I even have to think about. I think most MLB stadiums are at full capacity now. Cases should be surging like a mother fucker. They're below the start of this thing at this point as far as new daily cases. Vaccine doesn't stop the spread, just reduces or stops symptoms. I'm going to Red Rocks, CO this weekend for a show. I have zero fear of covid from the plane, concert or my buddies coming down from MT.
None of this has ever made sense, but I keep getting so fucking frustrated over it. We need to move the fuck on. I honestly don't think this will be labeled as a pandemic historically down the road. Basically 3.9M deaths out of 7B+. That's a rounding error. 0.05% of the population died "supposedly" from this virus. Most have multiple health issues or older in age. Pandemics kill kids, it kills everyone. This kills old fat people. Who cares? Don't be fat and you can't stop aging. BOOM! Pandemic solved.
2010
zzyzzx
2021 Jun 16, 7:24am
zzyzzx
2021 Jun 16, 7:24am
joshuatrio says
It's not a joke. It's a scam used to steal an election.
The whole thing from covid to the shot is a joke.
It's not a joke. It's a scam used to steal an election.
2012
Shaman
2021 Jun 16, 7:37am
Shaman
2021 Jun 16, 7:37am
WookieMan says
The Novavax is due to be approved shortly and will offer another option that’s not mRNA based, but more of a traditional vaccine. It might still cause problems for some people but so far trials show that it’s not only safer than the mRNA vaccines but it’s also more effective against the variants.
If I were to get vaccinated against Covid this would be my choice.
I have my first vaccination challenge coming this October assuming they keep regulations the same. BVI is open and you can get in if vaccinated. No quarantine. We have a boat day planned from St. Thomas and want to stop in the BVI as last time one of our dip shit friends didn't have a passport. I've been, but the Baths on Virgin Gorda are amazing. Haven't gotten over to Jost Van Dyke either.
The Novavax is due to be approved shortly and will offer another option that’s not mRNA based, but more of a traditional vaccine. It might still cause problems for some people but so far trials show that it’s not only safer than the mRNA vaccines but it’s also more effective against the variants.
If I were to get vaccinated against Covid this would be my choice.
2013
WookieMan
2021 Jun 16, 7:51am
WookieMan
2021 Jun 16, 7:51am
porkchopexpress says
Agreed. Masks are basically done here in IL despite what you'd see on the local media. I'll wear one if required for travel. I don't trust the FDA much, but until that hurdle is cleared I ain't touching the vax, if I ever do. It's the flu, one that only kills geezers in 98% of infection. I'm fine for 20+ years at my age.
I’ll wear a mask to work before injecting this poison.
Agreed. Masks are basically done here in IL despite what you'd see on the local media. I'll wear one if required for travel. I don't trust the FDA much, but until that hurdle is cleared I ain't touching the vax, if I ever do. It's the flu, one that only kills geezers in 98% of infection. I'm fine for 20+ years at my age.
2014
joshuatrio
2021 Jun 16, 8:00am
joshuatrio
2021 Jun 16, 8:00am
WookieMan says
Does it?
The vaxx is killing people in record numbers, teenagers dying from heart problems, women losing their babies/period irregularities.
I don't even think it reduces symptoms at this point lol.
Vaccine doesn't stop the spread, just reduces or stops symptoms.
Does it?
The vaxx is killing people in record numbers, teenagers dying from heart problems, women losing their babies/period irregularities.
I don't even think it reduces symptoms at this point lol.
2015
Patrick
2021 Jun 16, 8:08am
Patrick
2021 Jun 16, 8:08am
Even the novavax is likely to kill people, being an injection of the same spike protein.
2016
Shaman
2021 Jun 16, 8:18am
Shaman
2021 Jun 16, 8:18am
Patrick says
Sort of. I mean, have you heard that “dose makes the poison?” A shot of some spike proteins is likely far less quantity and injected in a far more local way than getting your whole body to produce the spike protein by injecting billions of viruses or mRNA particles to produce mass quantities of the spike. The smaller portion with the Novavax should be far less than it takes to cause disease and it won’t cause your body to produce any more of it.
They’re already saying that Novavax is safer for people with medical issues.
And you have to consider that contracting the actual Covid virus will likely expose you to far more spike protein than a small vaccination shot would.
Even the novavax is likely to kill people, being an injection of the same spike protein.
Sort of. I mean, have you heard that “dose makes the poison?” A shot of some spike proteins is likely far less quantity and injected in a far more local way than getting your whole body to produce the spike protein by injecting billions of viruses or mRNA particles to produce mass quantities of the spike. The smaller portion with the Novavax should be far less than it takes to cause disease and it won’t cause your body to produce any more of it.
They’re already saying that Novavax is safer for people with medical issues.
And you have to consider that contracting the actual Covid virus will likely expose you to far more spike protein than a small vaccination shot would.
2017
HeadSet
2021 Jun 16, 11:52am
HeadSet
2021 Jun 16, 11:52am
Shaman says
You are talking as if getting that jab stops you from getting Covid.
And you have to consider that contracting the actual Covid virus will likely expose you to far more spike protein than a small vaccination shot would.
You are talking as if getting that jab stops you from getting Covid.
2018
Patrick
2021 Jun 16, 11:55am
Patrick
2021 Jun 16, 11:55am
The j&j "vaccine" has just the spike protein but has proven as deadly as the mrna ones.
2019
joshuatrio
2021 Jun 16, 12:08pm
joshuatrio
2021 Jun 16, 12:08pm
Looks like Facebook killer the covid side effects group.
More suppression.
More suppression.
2021
mell
2021 Jun 16, 12:11pm
Why do they have to build vaccines based on the spike protein - it's nonsensical unless your motive is pure greed as the antibodies will fade quickly and then you need regular and frequent boosters. I know that somehow simply supplying weakened or dead strains of actual CVs hasn't worked well in the past, perhaps for the same reason as for the flu, frequent mutations, but for the flu they try to anticipate the variants in a yearly cocktail and at least exposure to the actual virus should give you some T cell immunity with some cross immunity as well, not just AB based immunity. If anyone medically skilled has the answer as to why no weakened/dead strain cocktail is used, please post here. Any current "vaccine" is a no-go for me.
2022
Rin
2021 Jun 16, 2:15pm
Rin
2021 Jun 16, 2:15pm
Shaman says
Since the Novavax is suppose to be viral based, my regimen applies ...
https://patrick.net/post/1339724/2021-06-16-enter-rin-wah-how-one-man-killed-a-vacc
So for 2 days, I took a daily dose of the following (spreading it out over time):
4000 mg Flax Seed Oil (mostly used as a lipid based solvent)
4000 mg Turmeric with Bioperine
3000 mg Quercetin (This is a LOT!)
3000 mg Ascorbate (Vitamin C in salt form)
2000 mg Allisure Allicin (Active ingredient in Garlic, fully isolated)
1000 mg R-Lipoic Acid (Thioctic Acid which recycles all antioxidants including Glutathione)
1000 mg Enteric Coated Aspirin
200 mg Zinc
Novavax
Since the Novavax is suppose to be viral based, my regimen applies ...
https://patrick.net/post/1339724/2021-06-16-enter-rin-wah-how-one-man-killed-a-vacc
So for 2 days, I took a daily dose of the following (spreading it out over time):
4000 mg Flax Seed Oil (mostly used as a lipid based solvent)
4000 mg Turmeric with Bioperine
3000 mg Quercetin (This is a LOT!)
3000 mg Ascorbate (Vitamin C in salt form)
2000 mg Allisure Allicin (Active ingredient in Garlic, fully isolated)
1000 mg R-Lipoic Acid (Thioctic Acid which recycles all antioxidants including Glutathione)
1000 mg Enteric Coated Aspirin
200 mg Zinc
2023
Shaman
2021 Jun 16, 2:32pm
Shaman
2021 Jun 16, 2:32pm
Patrick says
Well not exactly. It uses a chimp adenovirus as a vector to get the mRNA into your cells and cranking out the spike protein. It’s basically doing the same thing as the Moderna and Pfizer shots just using a different transport agent. It may actually be worse since the virus it uses is infectious and will infect many cells to hijack them to become spike protein factories.
The Novavax is supposed to have only the spike protein in weakened form. It’s not doing things the same so I figure it’s safer.
The j&j "vaccine" has just the spike protein but has proven as deadly as the mrna ones.
Well not exactly. It uses a chimp adenovirus as a vector to get the mRNA into your cells and cranking out the spike protein. It’s basically doing the same thing as the Moderna and Pfizer shots just using a different transport agent. It may actually be worse since the virus it uses is infectious and will infect many cells to hijack them to become spike protein factories.
The Novavax is supposed to have only the spike protein in weakened form. It’s not doing things the same so I figure it’s safer.
2024
mell
2021 Jun 16, 2:49pm
Shaman says
Just looked it up and that's correct. The Novavax vaccine would be the preferred choice once approved as there is no spike-protein producer active, instead harvested spike proteins are injected, so there's a known number of spike proteins entering the body. Definitely better than the MRNA and Viral DNA vector based vaccines. What remains unknown though is the length of protection and also it had less than 50% effectiveness against one of the variants. Either way it's progress.
Patrick saysThe j&j "vaccine" has just the spike protein but has proven as deadly as the mrna ones.
Well not exactly. It uses a chimp adenovirus as a vector to get the mRNA into your cells and cranking out the spike protein. It’s basically doing the same thing as the Moderna and Pfizer shots just using a different transport agent. It may actually be worse since the virus it uses is infectious and will infect many cells to hijack them to become spike protein factories.
The Novavax is supposed to have only the spike protein in weakened form. It’s not doing things the same so I figure it’s safer.
Just looked it up and that's correct. The Novavax vaccine would be the preferred choice once approved as there is no spike-protein producer active, instead harvested spike proteins are injected, so there's a known number of spike proteins entering the body. Definitely better than the MRNA and Viral DNA vector based vaccines. What remains unknown though is the length of protection and also it had less than 50% effectiveness against one of the variants. Either way it's progress.
2025
GNL
2021 Jun 16, 2:52pm
GNL
2021 Jun 16, 2:52pm
mell says
Progress toward what? Saving me from a non event?
Progress away from what? Killing people?
Either way it's progress.
Progress toward what? Saving me from a non event?
Progress away from what? Killing people?
2026
mell
2021 Jun 16, 3:00pm
WineHorror1 says
Progress in the way of a lesser evil for those who are high risk. Still not a good choice to inject spike proteins vs weakened or dead viral strains instead. The spike protein is part of the virus but theoretically a small amount of virus should suffice for the immune system to remember it and moreover to not just recognize it by the spike protein but also via its other characteristics.
mell saysEither way it's progress.
Progress toward what? Saving me from a non event?
Progress away from what? Killing people?
Progress in the way of a lesser evil for those who are high risk. Still not a good choice to inject spike proteins vs weakened or dead viral strains instead. The spike protein is part of the virus but theoretically a small amount of virus should suffice for the immune system to remember it and moreover to not just recognize it by the spike protein but also via its other characteristics.
2027
Robert Sproul
2021 Jun 16, 4:48pm
Went today to my local Natural Food Co-op. At least half of the youngish, affluent, hippie/hipster customers were wearing masks. It is now clearly a virtue signal for them.
2028
joshuatrio
2021 Jun 16, 5:21pm
joshuatrio
2021 Jun 16, 5:21pm
mell says
I believe this is completely false. Please provide supporting information.
The spike protein is part of the virus
I believe this is completely false. Please provide supporting information.
2029
GNL
2021 Jun 16, 5:29pm
GNL
2021 Jun 16, 5:29pm
Robert Sproul says
Where are you located?
Went today to my local Natural Food Co-op. At least half of the youngish, affluent, hippie/hipster customers were wearing masks. It is now clearly a virtue signal for them.
Where are you located?
2030
Patrick
2021 Jun 16, 5:29pm
Patrick
2021 Jun 16, 5:29pm
I'm up in WA checking out quiet little towns far from Seattle.
Sadly, mask mania seems to be a permanent mental infection up here.
Sadly, mask mania seems to be a permanent mental infection up here.
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I know a few and they sound like absolute shit, and both feel like absolute crap.
Anyone else?
Why the fuck are people injecting themselves with a non-FDA approved biological agent?
And what the fuck are people afraid of, when this covid has a 99.97% survival rate?
I don't understand this level of retardedness... Or maybe I am just super, over the top, fucking retarded, that I can't understand this shit.