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Tenpoundbass
2021 Jul 25, 12:32pm
Tenpoundbass
2021 Jul 25, 12:32pm
Ceffer says
It goes way beyond the sound quality and more about the fidelity of the music.
For example the human male voice, that is not a low baritone but normal sounding. Seems to have no registries in the lower frequencies that would require a cross over and subwoofer system to hear them. But the difference in someone speaking or singing in a PA that has a Subwoofer system, vs one that doesn't. Is more stark contrast than night and day. They may not be present in the vocal chords, but they are part of the sibilants and rumbles produced by your throat, mouth and tongue movements. There are so many semitones, produced with every note on every instrument, including the vocals, that CD's do not pick up. I don't care how polished and clean the engineer made the digital track sound. And it can get dam good at 192K 24bit recording samples, but then it gets converted to 16bit 44.1 KHz. I absolutely loath and detest the joyless fucks, that claim they can't tell the difference, so there for, there should never analog recording or devices to play them on.
They are same sorry fuckers, that think everyone should wear a mask, because they feel safer wearing one, even when they are driving a car alone.
The problem is, if you have never heard these things or made these comparisons, you will just never know. Most people don't care about quality sound. The closest most people have heard are in the large horn systems in movie theaters.
Also, you can't generalize about mastering because it is all over the map. Studio engineers are often artists, too, and there do exist recordings that are very carefully mastered and minimally compressed or uncompressed.
It goes way beyond the sound quality and more about the fidelity of the music.
For example the human male voice, that is not a low baritone but normal sounding. Seems to have no registries in the lower frequencies that would require a cross over and subwoofer system to hear them. But the difference in someone speaking or singing in a PA that has a Subwoofer system, vs one that doesn't. Is more stark contrast than night and day. They may not be present in the vocal chords, but they are part of the sibilants and rumbles produced by your throat, mouth and tongue movements. There are so many semitones, produced with every note on every instrument, including the vocals, that CD's do not pick up. I don't care how polished and clean the engineer made the digital track sound. And it can get dam good at 192K 24bit recording samples, but then it gets converted to 16bit 44.1 KHz. I absolutely loath and detest the joyless fucks, that claim they can't tell the difference, so there for, there should never analog recording or devices to play them on.
They are same sorry fuckers, that think everyone should wear a mask, because they feel safer wearing one, even when they are driving a car alone.
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Ceffer
2021 Jul 25, 1:46pm
Ceffer
2021 Jul 25, 1:46pm
80's to about '95, digital just about killed audio it was so bad. There was some good music, but it was so bad sounding it would make you brack. Digital made mastering guys lazy, and radio stations abandoned turntables for digital over the airwaves. FM radio is a pretty good sounding medium, but the digital over FM wasn't so hot.
Analog started being 'rediscovered' again in the mid 90's. Digital has gotten progressively better due to acknowledgment that it sucked, and about 2010 actually became decent and continues to get better. So, it only took 30 or 40 years of 'progress' in 'perfect sound forever' to become listenable. Now, inexpensive Chinese DAC's sound pretty good.
However, to really experience music in a way that seems natural, tuneful and toneful, many audiophiles still like analog.
The old music is good, but it was also generally mastered well in analog. Some of the stereo recordings from the early 60's and late 50's are some of the most revered still because they used tube electronics and printed to vinyl. There are even some studios that have re-adopted tube mastering, tape, vinyl etc., although the subjectivists would say that this is archaic and foolish given the 'perfection' of modern digital.
i used to browse Downbeat magazine. They had a section in the back describing how musicians developed and chose their instruments. One article was by a musician who spent two years trying to develop a particular formulation for a single cymbal that he wanted to sound a certain way. If you don't think 'subjective' sound matters, talk to some of these guys.
Analog started being 'rediscovered' again in the mid 90's. Digital has gotten progressively better due to acknowledgment that it sucked, and about 2010 actually became decent and continues to get better. So, it only took 30 or 40 years of 'progress' in 'perfect sound forever' to become listenable. Now, inexpensive Chinese DAC's sound pretty good.
However, to really experience music in a way that seems natural, tuneful and toneful, many audiophiles still like analog.
The old music is good, but it was also generally mastered well in analog. Some of the stereo recordings from the early 60's and late 50's are some of the most revered still because they used tube electronics and printed to vinyl. There are even some studios that have re-adopted tube mastering, tape, vinyl etc., although the subjectivists would say that this is archaic and foolish given the 'perfection' of modern digital.
i used to browse Downbeat magazine. They had a section in the back describing how musicians developed and chose their instruments. One article was by a musician who spent two years trying to develop a particular formulation for a single cymbal that he wanted to sound a certain way. If you don't think 'subjective' sound matters, talk to some of these guys.
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Ceffer
2021 Jul 25, 2:13pm
Ceffer
2021 Jul 25, 2:13pm
If you really want the lunatic fringe of hi end audio, watch this video and see if you can find any turntables. Munich High End Audio Show 2019. Sorry for Bad Tube, Pat. The costs can also be staggering, and there are audio nuts that pay them:
https://youtu.be/mNParABvqWA
https://youtu.be/mNParABvqWA
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richwicks
2021 Jul 25, 2:16pm
richwicks
2021 Jul 25, 2:16pm
HunterTits says
Unlikely it could, but should a train pass through, IF it worked, it would derail the train (and I doubt that), and if it didn't work, the train would just slice through it.
RC2006 says
That actually would not cause a problem.
Unlikely it could, but should a train pass through, IF it worked, it would derail the train (and I doubt that), and if it didn't work, the train would just slice through it.
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Tenpoundbass
2021 Jul 25, 4:29pm
Tenpoundbass
2021 Jul 25, 4:29pm
Ceffer says
It's not that it got better, they quit recording analog equipment, so there would be no inferior recording of it.
The DAW produced Midi and WAV files give them a pallet to paint with and boundaries that wont stray outside the line.
What we've ended up with is a homogenized sterile digital soundscape that more background noise, than music that actually connects with people on a sonic level.
You can watch the most talented guy play a whole ensemble on a Oaysis the most advanced keyboard today. The audience would not be as into it, as if there was an acual horn ensemble playing the piece.
We used to have a local Jazz band, they were averagely decent. There was a keyboard guy that could play anything in any genre. He would go on and do a piece with a horn section played on his keyboard. The band with the horn section came out, the people went nuts, even the cheesiest horn solo got roaring ovation. Nobody gave a crap when the keyboard guy went into his 20 minute flute solo.
Digital has gotten progressively better due to acknowledgment that it sucked, and about 2010 actually became decent and continues to get better.
It's not that it got better, they quit recording analog equipment, so there would be no inferior recording of it.
The DAW produced Midi and WAV files give them a pallet to paint with and boundaries that wont stray outside the line.
What we've ended up with is a homogenized sterile digital soundscape that more background noise, than music that actually connects with people on a sonic level.
You can watch the most talented guy play a whole ensemble on a Oaysis the most advanced keyboard today. The audience would not be as into it, as if there was an acual horn ensemble playing the piece.
We used to have a local Jazz band, they were averagely decent. There was a keyboard guy that could play anything in any genre. He would go on and do a piece with a horn section played on his keyboard. The band with the horn section came out, the people went nuts, even the cheesiest horn solo got roaring ovation. Nobody gave a crap when the keyboard guy went into his 20 minute flute solo.
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HeadSet
2021 Jul 25, 7:50pm
HeadSet
2021 Jul 25, 7:50pm
richwicks says
Do not forget VHS HiFi. VHS HiFi is analog, but the equivalent of playing a tape deck at 18 feet per second (regular reel-to-reel is about 7.5 inches per second). Although the best analog by far, VHS HiFi was like Quadrasonic in that it was superior but did not catch on.
There is HONESTLY no advantage of analogue over digital.
Do not forget VHS HiFi. VHS HiFi is analog, but the equivalent of playing a tape deck at 18 feet per second (regular reel-to-reel is about 7.5 inches per second). Although the best analog by far, VHS HiFi was like Quadrasonic in that it was superior but did not catch on.
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richwicks
2021 Jul 25, 8:18pm
richwicks
2021 Jul 25, 8:18pm
HeadSet says
Never heard of it, but there were some attempts to make digital VCR tapes I know. Would have been the equivalent of DVD but recording on it required some serious hardware at the time (analog to MP2 conversion required a computer the size of a refrigerator to get real time compression), and the cost of producing a DVD is actually LOWER than the cost of making a VCR tape. CDs are also cheaper to make than tape cassettes, although they cost more back in the day.
richwicks saysThere is HONESTLY no advantage of analogue over digital.
Do not forget VHS HiFi. VHS HiFi is analog, but the equivalent of playing a tape deck at 18 feet per second (regular reel-to-reel is about 7.5 inches per second). Although the best analog by far, VHS HiFi was like Quadrasonic in that it was superior but did not catch on.
Never heard of it, but there were some attempts to make digital VCR tapes I know. Would have been the equivalent of DVD but recording on it required some serious hardware at the time (analog to MP2 conversion required a computer the size of a refrigerator to get real time compression), and the cost of producing a DVD is actually LOWER than the cost of making a VCR tape. CDs are also cheaper to make than tape cassettes, although they cost more back in the day.
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richwicks
2021 Jul 28, 7:21pm
richwicks
2021 Jul 28, 7:21pm
Patrick says
Where the hell was that? That's nuts.
I'd have recognized the danger before they did, but I would have also recognized there was nothing I could do.
https://twitter.com/Not_the_Bee/status/1419380016044023813
Where the hell was that? That's nuts.
I'd have recognized the danger before they did, but I would have also recognized there was nothing I could do.
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Tenpoundbass
2021 Jul 29, 8:47am
Tenpoundbass
2021 Jul 29, 8:47am
Finally a reason why "The Funny Picture thread" is loathed and despised so much with dislikes by the Wet Blanket Commie Brigade.
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komputodo
2021 Jul 30, 9:20pm
komputodo
2021 Jul 30, 9:20pm
HunterTits says
What is the reason for the little red ramps for in this situation?
That actually would not cause a problem.
What is the reason for the little red ramps for in this situation?
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richwicks
2021 Jul 30, 9:25pm
richwicks
2021 Jul 30, 9:25pm
komputodo says
The idea is that the train would ride over the ramps, rather than just cutting them to pieces.
That's the joke.
If the ramps can actually make the train ride over them, there's a risk of derailment, given what I've seen a train do to a penny, it's unlikely, it would just cut through the ramps, destroying the water hose as well. Basically, the ramps have no effect so there was no point in using the ramps at all.
I assume the (real) point of the ramps are so that a car can drive over the water hose without damaging it. A car is a lot lighter than a train and has more weight distribution. It appears the firefighters didn't think before they laid down the ramps and hose, or, it's just a joke entirely, and they know how useless this is.
HunterTits saysThat actually would not cause a problem.
What is the reason for the little red ramps for in this situation?
The idea is that the train would ride over the ramps, rather than just cutting them to pieces.
That's the joke.
If the ramps can actually make the train ride over them, there's a risk of derailment, given what I've seen a train do to a penny, it's unlikely, it would just cut through the ramps, destroying the water hose as well. Basically, the ramps have no effect so there was no point in using the ramps at all.
I assume the (real) point of the ramps are so that a car can drive over the water hose without damaging it. A car is a lot lighter than a train and has more weight distribution. It appears the firefighters didn't think before they laid down the ramps and hose, or, it's just a joke entirely, and they know how useless this is.
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richwicks
2021 Jul 30, 9:41pm
richwicks
2021 Jul 30, 9:41pm
Tenpoundbass says
Oh, I'm not the only one!
My memory of the 1980's music was vapid stupid music was constantly promoted as being popular.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxgMGk9JPVA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yem_iEHiyJ0
Those are the most fucking vulgar songs I've ever heard, and I had to hear it everywhere. Fucking hate the 1980s. Those are the two that come to mind, but there's plenty.
Michael Jackson was a fucking pedophile, and Madonna is a whore - she built her brand around being a disgusting whore. That was her shtick. The most popular entertainers of the 1980s, were just disgusting. Now we have this slut:
What a disgusting piece of shit.
There were outcries of disgust when Elvis Presley sang "Let Me Be Your Teddy Bear" implying he wanted to sleep with a girl, not necessarily fucking her, just sleeping in the same bed, although sex was heavily implied. THAT was a scandal, and that was 1957 and less than 25 years later, it was explicit grotesque lyrics designed explicitly to piss off parents and today, we just have piece of shit propagandist whores for Planned Parenthood.
I have a friend that lives in Oakland that when his wife got pregnant he went to Planed Parenthood - they ONLY offer abortion services, nothing else. So he went to a placed called "Womens Choice" or something similar, that is an actual Planned Parenthood. The nurse he met was quite explicit that she was against abortion and now he has brought his children to her to meet a few times.
With regard to the picture, at least Miley Cyruss learned to brush her filthy disgusting thrush tongue, or maybe it's just photoshop. She's so fucking gross.
The 80's is when music started going to hell.
Oh, I'm not the only one!
My memory of the 1980's music was vapid stupid music was constantly promoted as being popular.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxgMGk9JPVA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yem_iEHiyJ0
Those are the most fucking vulgar songs I've ever heard, and I had to hear it everywhere. Fucking hate the 1980s. Those are the two that come to mind, but there's plenty.
Michael Jackson was a fucking pedophile, and Madonna is a whore - she built her brand around being a disgusting whore. That was her shtick. The most popular entertainers of the 1980s, were just disgusting. Now we have this slut:
What a disgusting piece of shit.
There were outcries of disgust when Elvis Presley sang "Let Me Be Your Teddy Bear" implying he wanted to sleep with a girl, not necessarily fucking her, just sleeping in the same bed, although sex was heavily implied. THAT was a scandal, and that was 1957 and less than 25 years later, it was explicit grotesque lyrics designed explicitly to piss off parents and today, we just have piece of shit propagandist whores for Planned Parenthood.
I have a friend that lives in Oakland that when his wife got pregnant he went to Planed Parenthood - they ONLY offer abortion services, nothing else. So he went to a placed called "Womens Choice" or something similar, that is an actual Planned Parenthood. The nurse he met was quite explicit that she was against abortion and now he has brought his children to her to meet a few times.
With regard to the picture, at least Miley Cyruss learned to brush her filthy disgusting thrush tongue, or maybe it's just photoshop. She's so fucking gross.
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Tenpoundbass
2021 Jul 31, 11:14am
Tenpoundbass
2021 Jul 31, 11:14am
richwicks says
FWIW, I don't ever recall ever seeing an 80's pop act in an Album collection. People who listened to that music and the music it became. Let others curate for them what they heard and when they heard it. My brother had a lot of punk records, (Husker Du, Black Flag, Dead Kenedy's, Violent Femes, ect.) and if one of the pop new wave bands, might have had a cross over hit, that might have been in his collection. But definitely no Madonna, Petshop Boys, Duran Duran and the like.
My memory of the 1980's music was vapid stupid music was constantly promoted as being popular.
FWIW, I don't ever recall ever seeing an 80's pop act in an Album collection. People who listened to that music and the music it became. Let others curate for them what they heard and when they heard it. My brother had a lot of punk records, (Husker Du, Black Flag, Dead Kenedy's, Violent Femes, ect.) and if one of the pop new wave bands, might have had a cross over hit, that might have been in his collection. But definitely no Madonna, Petshop Boys, Duran Duran and the like.
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