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charlie303 says

We're just packing peanuts really that's all. What is the purpose of packing peanuts, and how insignificant is just one?

richwicks, where does morality come from? Right and wrong...where do they come from? How would "criminality" even be a thing without them?

You're saying morality is innate?

Heck, folks be trying to market time RE, goodness gracious!

Investing replacing interest baring saving, is the biggest fuck job, H.W. Bush and his henchmen ever pulled on the world.

See S&L crisis of 1986, the collapse of our Savings institution, was a controlled demolition, just like the 2000's tech stock market crash was.

The notion that everyone can be a prudent knowledgeable investor trader is the biggest bunch of malarkey in modern day economics.

The way it was done for most of America's history was working slobs put their money into a savings account. That got interest in return, a guaranteed return, often more than what our stock indexes payout in normal times. You gave the bank money, and Widget factory ACME, then went to the bank to borrow money to expand and grow.

After the S&L destruction, Workers are forced to just give ACME Widget factory your money directly and allow them to spend anyway they see fit, and not owe you one single red cent, unless they grow or can find more idiots to give them their money. So it can create an illusion they had growth.

And don't kid yourselves, the minute the majority of the workforce figures out the real winners and losers in the stock market, and stop putting their money into indexes and consumer financial products. Will be the day they pull the plug on the stock market crashing it and bringing it all down.

They want our money, they don't want us making money. Or when/if we do, they will just toss the chess board, and collect all of the marbles and go home, leaving everyone broke.

Funny how the tech market of the late 90's early 00's crashed, yet it didn't! Tech stocks are more valuable today than they were way back then. The problem was Marge the secretary day trader was the hot shit investor, beating out the top cats at the brokerage houses, pushing consumer financial investment vehicles.

Doodahman is correct.
The reason is a little surprising.
It's because of the similarities between the interest compounding effect and the compounding effect of dividends and capital gains (in mutual funds).
Look at a graph of the compounding effect; notice it begins gradually rising and later goes up like an exponential equation.
You get that big rise after many years invested.
Of course, some stocks are exceptional, AAPL is an example.
My advice to young people is have a shitload in mutual funds and spend their "beer money" or "funny money" on a few stocks if they can't resist the urge.
Always have mutual funds to back you up.
$500/month invested for 33 years=$ 1million
If you can't come up with the 500 you should examine your life choices.
"Money talks, bullshit walks." Someone

DooDahMan says

I only invested in companies that I knew something about that were related to the field I worked in. As for trading - I was a buy and hold type that went for those with a history of paying dividends.

Every trade is an investment or they wouldn't buy the damn thing!

What I bet you know, or have experience in deducing or realizing yourself, that your average 401K contributor doesn't know.
Will be the difference in losing it all when the market tanks.
You probably know where to find relevant investment news, you can read investment news, while most it's like trying to read tealeaves.
You can probably know a company is going to get in trouble and might go bankrupt in the coming months, while the other folks will be advised to keep their money parked because they are in it for the long haul .

Since 1999 the same person has told me their 401k is worth the same value over three times. It keeps going back down to a starting point.
There has been a good run for the last 12 years or so. But there will be folks who will be back to the same spot they were in 2007-2008 the last time the stocks took a shit on their 401K.

That doesn't happen to saving accounts.

The only thing more expensive than having a top-notch military is NOT having a top-notch military.

Cloaking technology aint' cheap.

I highly recommend John Vervaeke's Awakening From the Meaning Crisis series. Vervaeke is a cognitive scientist at the University of Toronto and has been working on a grammar for dealing with meaning making, wisdom and relevance realization. Many of these concepts have been part of the religious domain, and are not going away even as many religious traditions fade.

Life is suffering.
Suffering without meaning is just torture and unbearable.
A belief in a higher power and a transcendent purpose for life is what gives most people meaning, making the suffering of life bearable.

By this logic, we could surmise that the increased health, comfort, ease, and distractions of modern life make for less suffering and thus less need for meaning, thus less need for faith in the eternal.

But everyone gets there someday. To that point where suffering is everything and you wonder what the point of it all is. When you get there will you submit to the despair or look up to the Father?

WineHorror1 says

richwicks, where does morality come from? Right and wrong...where do they come from? How would "criminality" even be a thing without them?

The best explanation I think of how morality develops is through evolutionary psychology. Behaviors that a group engages in either helps or harms the group, and most behaviors and beliefs are passed down from the old to the young. If the group has thinking which harms the group as a whole, it works against the group's expansion and survival. IF the group has thinking which is beneficial to the group as a whole, it expands.

There's more than one group though of course. Eventually these groups come into conflict with one another and that's a war. Ideas and beliefs can combine when this happens while other ideas are extinguished.

Foot binding was done away with in China. Sati was done away in India and the Caste system lost a lot of its power. Cannibalism has been done away with in certain parts of Africa. 1000's of years ago though we adopted the Arabic numeric system doing away with Roman numerals.

What's interesting about this hypothesis is that morality doesn't only exist among people, but any social animal.

Slavery was a moral advancement. The practice came from turning conquered people into forced servants. Prior to that, they were just exterminated. People, properly, decry slavery - but it was a moral and social advancement. Had the United had different moral principles in the 1950's, it could have taken over the world, extinguished the Chinese, Russians, Indians, and Africans in time. Had we the same morals that were prevalent in 0 AD, we probably would have.

I like Jordan Peterson. He puts into words many of my own feelings. For Example, About Belief in God: (yes, it;s Twitter)

https://twitter.com/i/status/1521849619055091712?source=patrick.net

rocketjoe79 says

I like Jordan Peterson. He puts into words many of my own feelings. For Example, About Belief in God: (yes, it;s Twitter)

https://twitter.com/i/status/1521849619055091712?source=patrick.net

Peterson just had a run in with the grim reaper which he escaped.

It's a common feature of people to "find god" at their end of their life. I'm going through the same process, although I'm not nearly as close to the end of my life as he is.

richwicks says

rocketjoe79 says

I like Jordan Peterson. He puts into words many of my own feelings. For Example, About Belief in God: (yes, it;s Twitter)

https://twitter.com/i/status/1521849619055091712?source=patrick.net

Peterson just had a run in with the grim reaper which he escaped.

It's a common feature of people to "find god" at their end of their life. I'm going through the same process, although I'm not nearly as close to the end of my life as he is.

What run in did Peterson have?

It’s facilitated to see how people live with a nonexistent s* and lazy enough to know that they were brainwashed by parents.

mell says

Peterson just had a run in with the grim reaper which he escaped.

It's a common feature of people to "find god" at their end of their life. I'm going through the same process, although I'm not nearly as close to the end of my life as he is.

What run in did Peterson have?

I cannot say. He had some medical problem, the family elected to keep it private and I respect that privacy.

It happened about a year ago. I have no idea what it was, but I suspect stroke or something that effected him neurologically. I may be wrong about this, and it's wrong for me to poke and prod. He's basically recovered.

Peterson was a hard atheist at one point, to his credit, I don't think his medical condition was what changed his viewpoint - I think merely age did, but I would bet whatever he experienced further solidified it.

atheist will never take u turn. It’s non atheist appears like atheist are the ones take uturn to become none atheist, duh!

richwicks says

I cannot say. He had some medical problem, the family elected to keep it private and I respect that privacy.

He had a severe and life threatening addiction to valium congeners. Yes, valium can be addictive, and the withdrawal process is slow, but very distressing and long due to the slow clearance from the body. He had to go to Russia where they had a particular withdrawal and treatment protocol. Jordan and his daughter believe that it saved his life. They did an interview on it a while back when Jordan disappeared for a while and came back months later looking like a few miles of really bad road. It was bad enough that he nearly died. However, valium in and of itself has an extremely high lethal threshold, so one wonders if something else was involved as well, like suicide attempts.

Thanks for the "heads up"! I should go buy a gasoline-powered generator, assuming they haven't been outlawed for sale in the state. It'll be especially fun knowing that the state's anti-pollution and anti-carbon stance is causing me to use something that is far more pollution and carbon producing than normal generation in normal states.

Electricity rates go up to 42¢ (off peak) in June, but I doubt this will be high enough to reduce demand.

DooDahMan says

No water, no power - what's next ?

Along with crime at its highest in over 2 decades, rampant homeless, and the highest state income tax in the nation!

California Democrat voters are literally braindead. True mouth breathers. Unthinking and uncaring imbecile drones.

I will not live in the pod. I will not eat the bugs.

Oh man this sounds awful and degrading.

I move to Anywhere, USA before I live in a pod.

For $800 you can listen to Austin, the Fentanyl ass whore get crammed in the ass by his John, in the stall above you, all night.

When Privacy doesn't matter!

When I did residential flooring way back in the day. I would go into occupied homes to put in carpet, tile or sheet goods. The one thing I noticed was the difference in the way the family cat would circumvent the work area, vs the family dog. A dog will just go prancing right through and step right on an exposed tack strip, not even just once, but coming and going. Where as a cat would walk up to a potential hazard and stop, sniff and step over any sharp pointy obstacles in his way. A cat will never go walking through freshly troweled glue or tile mud. I've seen countless dogs do it. You have to lock the dog up in a room in the back of the house. Not to protect the guest from a dog bite, but to protect the dog from himself.

Also when you observe a cat in a tree, they intrinsically know which limbs can and can't support their weight. I don't think dogs have that amount of visual analytical skills.

SunnyvaleCA says

Thanks for the "heads up"! I should go buy a gasoline-powered generator, assuming they haven't been outlawed for sale in the state. It'll be especially fun knowing that the state's anti-pollution and anti-carbon stance is causing me to use something that is far more pollution and carbon producing than normal generation in normal states.

Electricity rates go up to 42¢ (off peak) in June, but I doubt this will be high enough to reduce demand.

For which Utility provider, PG&E? Are you talking commercial off peak or residential off peak TOU? Residential off peak TOU rates right now hover in the high $.2x to low $.3x range in PG&E territory. There must have been something in the last GRC to CPUC that I missed…

SunnyvaleCA says

Thanks for the "heads up"! I should go buy a gasoline-powered generator, assuming they haven't been outlawed for sale in the state. It'll be especially fun knowing that the state's anti-pollution and anti-carbon stance is causing me to use something that is far more pollution and carbon producing than normal generation in normal states.

Electricity rates go up to 42¢ (off peak) in June, but I doubt this will be high enough to reduce demand.

Costco often has them but they go fast. I got the triple fuel whole house powering version for 899

ForcedTQ says

SunnyvaleCA says

Thanks for the "heads up"! I should go buy a gasoline-powered generator, assuming they haven't been outlawed for sale in the state. It'll be especially fun knowing that the state's anti-pollution and anti-carbon stance is causing me to use something that is far more pollution and carbon producing than normal generation in normal states.

Electricity rates go up to 42¢ (off peak) in June, but I doubt this will be high enough to reduce demand.

For which Utility provider, PG&E? Are you talking commercial off peak or residential off peak TOU? Residential off peak TOU rates right now hover in the high $.2x to low $.3x range in PG&E territory. There must have been something in the last GRC to CPUC that I missed…

Even SMUD here in Sacramento goes up to .32c kWh for summer rates, so PGE in the 40s sounds right

Not all cats are equal. I've had some really stupid ones on par with dogs. Its been my experience the less domesticated they are the smarter they are. Unfortunately all my smart ones die premature deaths while the stupid fat ones are still here sleeping on the couch.

The first fart gas explosion after somebody lights a match in the pod room will end this social experiment in flaming disaster.

Amodal completion is what trannies rely on. You fill in the blanks with horndog wishful thinking.

I can’t imagine the smell of this place with 14 people sharing air after the kitchen has been running from 4pm to 9pm

So 1978 Prop 13 closed the gap to 3rd world.

Are they forcing you to have battery backup now!
Many should eventually have rainwater harvesting to live with water shortage.

Blue says

atheist will never take u turn. It’s non atheist appears like atheist are the ones take uturn to become none atheist, duh!

That's not entirely true. There have been quite a few very outspoken atheists that have reconsidered their position and I'm not talking about myself.

I was a vicious atheist at one point. When I ran into a religious person my mission immediately turned to forcing them into doubt. If somebody talked about Jesus being the messiah, I would point out that if God was omnipotent and good, why would God Himself setup the conditions to ensure his own son was tortured to death - because it's God, God is supposedly good, He makes all the rules - why do this? Isn't this the most evil way to create redemption for mankind? Might not God Himself be the devil?

I am still effective at doing this, however, I realize the importance of religion as a counterbalance to immortality and an immoral government. I keep my mouth mostly shut now about this topic. My own personal belief? I'm trained as an electrical engineer, I have a very hard background in science and all my education was theory and derivation, I delved into it, I understand the hypothesis of how morality would need to develop in any social creature - however, we can't duplicate life. We're not even close.

An AI is not life, it's a machine that is able to process input and produce output, but it's not creative, it doesn't think, it doesn't ponder, it has no internal monologue, it doesn't feel, it's nothing like life. We thought we'd have made it by now 30 years ago, and perhaps it's not possible. Now ignorance doesn't prove anything, but there are many thousands of people who have gone after this problem, and I have to consider, it's possible that it's impossible but I don't know. I just entertain the possibility. I could be wrong about my earlier assessment.

I've seen friends die, family die, and I guess it's better to have hope - for them. I've seen people that have had terribly difficult lives die. I've even seen dogs with terribly difficult lives die - when I fostered for dogs I had a 6 year old dog, severely abused which I had as a foster, who then developed lung cancer, which I had to euthanize - seeing the unfairness of life is devastating at times, even for an animal. I'd like to have hope for some sort of ultimate justice - but when I engage in this, I immediately recoil back into the stark learning and education I undertook, it's reflex now. It's said the first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you. That's just the writing of another man though. We'll see. It's an eternal struggle to learn and to understand.

There's a madness with being an atheist. We can't stare into the void for long. Well, at least I can't, perhaps other people are stronger than I am. Seeing this all as a mechanism, it's terrifying.

We will witness public executions of snorers in front of these favela hotels.

Actually Jordan Peterson almost died from an addiction to benzodiazepine, a tranquilizer that was prescribed by a doctor to him. Turns out that this drug is extremely difficult to wean oneself off of, and has caused death in many people. This was a targeted hit on the notable philosopher by the medical cartel. He is fortunate that he survived this breathtaking medical malpractice.

Shaman says

Actually Jordan Peterson almost died from an addiction to benzodiazepine, a tranquilizer that was prescribed by a doctor to him. Turns out that this drug is extremely difficult to wean oneself off of, and has caused death in many people. This was a targeted hit on the notable philosopher by the medical cartel. He is fortunate that he survived this breathtaking medical malpractice.

I watched my grandmother go into dementia once her well meaning siblings convinced her to go on medication. When she broke her hip, her medication was terminated and she became lucid after 2 decades, then she died.

I'm never going on pharmaceutical maintenance drugs. It might end my life sooner, but my grandmother, she wasn't even alive for 20 years.

BayArea says

I can’t imagine the smell of this place

Baby oil and shit.

Ceffer says

He had a severe and life threatening addiction to valium congeners. Yes, valium can be addictive, and the withdrawal process is slow, but very distressing and long due to the slow clearance from the body. He had to go to Russia where they had a particular withdrawal and treatment protocol.

If this is correct, and I have no doubt it is, what kind of medical system do we have?

I'm extremely suspicious of the medical profession now. They are vampires more than they are allies.