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Just act like an obnoxious but funny guy, start with a funny insult like "Your dress/shoes are great, which consignment store/thift shop did you get them from?" or "Hey, I see you've got Cinderella/Dorothy shoes, what Costume Shop did you get them from?" someshit like that. Bullshit with them for a few minutes, let them know you're NOT boyfriend material by not saying any "I think you are so beautiful, m'lady." type shit.

It's all about tone of voice and attitude. "Man, what a shitty week, I wanna drink a bit and make out with somebody.What are you guys up to?, act like they're just a sounding board for your attitude, like an extra in a film to react to establish your mood/vibe in the scene. I even say "How about you guys?" so it's flagrantly "I'm feeling fun and frisky, but not NECESSARILY to you". Project that "I'm here to have fun and be a little off the hook. Follow me to have fun, too." If you get some static, and want to bother, you can say "Y'all need to turn those frowns upside down, this is a party/bar and it's Friday Night." Turn to the most open girl and say "You need to buy your friend another Cosmo/Pinot/etc, she's not in party mode/getting loose yet. --- what do you guys drink, anyway?" if they are being aloof or difficult.

Go off and do something else for 15-20 minutes, then come back and make some light, poetic sexual remarks about skin touching or some shit, or find an excuse to hold their hand. "Palm Reading" works, or inspecting a class ring or something. Make a remark about their soft skin. If they're difficult, ask if they are bricklayers for a living and their hands are a bit rough and to use Palmolive.

It's really on if you go away for a few minutes and they find an excuse to go up to you again

That's it.

The absolute key, whether in Meatspace or Internet, is not to give out affirmation of beauty. You can say they look fun or goofy, but NEVER let them put you into the boyfriend box. You'll have to work 10x harder for 1/4 the service. Fun Guys get 10x the lovin' for 1/4 the work. And it's good for you, too, puts you in a positive frame of mind. Tease them if they get too serious or too obvious about wanting beauty/female validation.

Intenet:
Chick: "I'm not on Tinder (LOL)/Whatever to get laid"
Guy: "Me neither, everybody is so serious on here. I just want to have a good time."
"I'm not on here to have a good time!"
"Sheesh, why did you come on here, to find a Physics Tutor?"

Even if they are shit, you can still enjoy fucking with them:
"My ex yadda dadda full of shit lies about abusive/neglectful."
"Well I don't know about that, but Motorcycles are fun. Especially the vibration"
"OMG, I'm so offended. Vibration, always sexual"
"What's wrong with motorcycles? Or sexual? I'm sexual almost all the time, except when I'm eating. I really like the Burgers from Five Fat Guys, in fact I might go there in a bit""
"Five Fat Guys?"
"Yeah, best burgers, hey if you meet me there, you might have me non sexual for 10 minutes while I'm chomping down the burger"

And chances are the more you DGAF about them and project your frame, the more they will want you. Of course, then you have to think seriously if their juice is worth the squeeze.

Having no experience in such things in the 'apps era' and no desire to pursue it, I did have a lengthy conversation with an older dude with money who loved to tell me all about his app dating experience. I would say he had a good personality, a bit sociopathic, not unattractive, and plenty of dough

He did a lot ot this stuff, he was addicted to it. He said he ALWAYS paid, even when dutch was on the table, the women never even offered. He did a lot of the flash dating where you would meet somewhere for coffee for agreed amount of time, maybe fifteen minutes, to size each other up, and he said he would do this sometimes several times a day. Again, he alway paid. He didn't say what his 'score' percentage was, but he gave me the impression he had a regular harvest, albeit after quite a bit of work for each score.

I came away with the impression that if you have a bit of dough or your trust fund dollars, this might be fun for a while, but a bit exhausting and still as expensive or even more expensive than regular dating. If you measure each score in 'prostitute' dollars of 600 dollars a score, I think after all the running around, he was probably at parity or worse.

The rumors of coed hookups and horny young bitches have always been there, even from the olden days, when the Penthouse type mags would spin fantasies of horny coeds waiting in the stacks for a zipless, skirt lifting screw. I think now, like then, that the reality clash is that women are women, and always will be. It's never entirely zipless, no matter what fantasy is promulgated, and for women and girls, such dating is frankly dangerous with weird and sociopathic men around. Men mostly have to be worried about being dumb sticked by some black widow.

One of my frat brothers swore by the Sierra Club for singles. He said those hikes in the ozone rich mountains made the chicks horny, you could watch their twitching butts on the trails the whole way, there would sometimes be skinny dipping and nudity, and he never didn't get laid either during or after those hikes. But then, I wouldn't know.

I personally think joining a church singles group would work pretty well. After all the Jesus talk, apparently some of the women get pretty worked up with religious zeal and just want to get laid. Also, there are more women then men in churches at almost all times, so the ratios are reversed and the women can compete with each other for men, a biologic anomaly.

Ceffer says

I came away with the impression that if you have a bit of dough or your trust fund dollars, this might be fun for a while, but a bit exhausting and still as expensive or even more expensive than regular dating. If you measure each score in 'prostitute' dollars of 600 dollars a score, I think after all the running around, he was probably at parity or worse.

That probably depends on age. Younger generation needs less $$$. I occasionally have to deal with dating fallouts among my students aka womyn with wet eyes because their newest tinder or whatever catch just used them for a week and then dumped, instead of offering eternal love.

Bd6r says

That probably depends on age. Younger generation needs less $$$. I occasionally have to deal with dating fallouts among my students aka womyn with wet eyes because their newest tinder or whatever catch just used them for a week and then dumped, instead of offering eternal love.

Then, if she ever tracks him down or knows where he lives, the bastard has a vindictive female stalker who will wait patiently forever for revenge. My office girls would talk about how they stalked and punished the short term lotharios they slept with at dances, etc. A lot of them used Facebook as a tracking app to find out where their targets were hanging out so they could 'show up'.

I have a slide which makes me shake my head. At one of my graduations with my sister, mother and aunt, I had somebody take our picture with my camera. Out of the blue, three women I had slept with almost jumped into the picture. One was a classmate, her friend (yes, slept with both) and a Phd. grad student. It was incredibly embarrassing, because I didn't even know if these women knew I had slept with the others, but there we all were, my mother, aunt, sister and these three in the picture together. And this was when I was dirt poor. I can't imagine what complication arises with the monied.

When I moved to another city for more grad school work, a woman I had dropped years before managed to track down my number and called me to resume. I had to tell her to bite off all over again. I think they eventually just try to grind you down into monogamy in one form or another.

Ok I had a friend that did shotgun approach starting in 1990. And it worked but he got better and better and eventually I’d say he got numbers from more than half the women he approached and eventually sex from better than 1 in 10, some where very hot including an actual actress. He’s been with more women than anyone I know. He made it a lifestyle and anywhere we went he would hit on 5-10 women in a short period of time. Of course he wasn’t just walking up and straight asking to have sex although that did happen a few times.

I just don’t have the personality but wing manned any time the woman he was with wanted to bring a friend and also got bolder myself although nothing like he was doing.

On the other end, I was in my mid 30’s when I really started pursuing relationships. I found a lot of success using online dating. So much so that I really didn’t use it much. Both times I was seriously looking on eharmony I had to shut down the matching in less than a month because I was interacting with more women than I could reasonably date at any time.

Btw I wouldn’t say women are attracted to audacity. They are attracted to confidence. And really, it’s flattering to women to get approached. One of my female co workers is in her 30’s, married, and with kids. She’s cute, but chubby and not exactly sexy. Her personality is top notch. Occasionally a random guy will hit on her and she absolutely gushes.

Oh and it goes without saying but the wider ones set of standards are in regards to appearance, the easier things are. I don’t know about nowadays but back then if all you were into was typical all American blonde, your success rate would be super low. If you were good with latinas, overweight women, older women, etc, odds were much better.

The advantage to all of that, is women love Cads. They will fuck them, then hate them.

If they see other women pining over Cads, or pissed at being dumped by Cad/Chad, they will want to fuck him and also for intra-female competition points. "MY magic vagina had him pining for me, but I blew him off after the first few dates. Too bad your vagina isn't as magical as mine. " to make the other gals feel bad. Or, they can join the other discarded females in a hate club. Either way, they get Drama and Chaos.

Women always want to feel that if they dumped you, you never got over it. And if you dumped them, you'd see the error of your ways and grovel back to them.

Women are more egotistical than men in this way.

AmericanKulak says

Women always want to feel that if they dumped you, you never got over it. And if you dumped them, you'd see the error of your ways and grovel back to them.

LOL! Maybe the corollary to their inherent belief that even if they fuck like a pile of wet gym socks, they think it has to be the best sex you ever had in your life and you are intoxicated with them forever.

Ceffer says

LOL! Maybe the corollary to their inherent belief that even if they fuck like a pile of wet gym socks, they think it has to be the best sex you ever had in your life and you are intoxicated with them forever.

EXACTLY!

A lot of Alpha Widow or Roastie behavior is based on this. There's something to be said of their need for Beta Bucks to validate their magic pussy, which they carefully dole out in small portions. Alpha Man was getting a lot of vag and theirs was one of many and not magical enough to keep him, but their LTR with a Beta's thirst for rationed vagina of any kind validates their "Muh personal magic vagina" delusion. AKA "All the boys want my particular milkshake"

"I'm 33, rode the cock carousel real hard. And for a limited time, my 90,000 mileage vag engine is available as a limited offer to YOU! You're welcome. Note: Vag comes with no warranty, cannot be ridden frequently, only on weekend nights and only then if you wax and buff me and install all new leather interior. All loans are actually leases. Dealership reserves right to repo car at any time if better owner comes along""

When you're getting alot of varied pussy in a short period of time, you learn: It's 80% attitude and 20% the vagina itself (maybe less). When you're not getting much vagina at all, it's like being on a strict Keto diet for weeks/months and then having a slice of pizza. Even if it's Store Brand Frozen Pizza, it'll still taste awesome.

Whereas if you're eating at a different pizzeria every other night, you learn the subtle differences even between the best pizzas and your not all "WOW, A Pizza Slice!" And if you're eating different pizzas regularly, store brand frozen pizza can be turned up entirely.

So Women validate the magic vagina by withholding it and pretending that general vaginal starvation = their awesome vagina. Which is why men need to have at least 2-3 plates for a while to vaccinate them against the Magic Vagina Mindset Trap.

I can't stand it. I am laughing too much, have to go to a bummer thread.

Consider this:

We've gone from the stereotype of the sex starved housewife harassing her overworked husband, to the annoying begging overworked husband not being able to get any.

Anxiety plays a role in this. An uniformed woman is actually a low anxiety woman. Esp. Re: Finances.

Just remember fellas: You can't win if you don't play, and just like you get hard, she gets itchy/wet.

Finally: If she doesn't wanna fuck at her most fertile time of the month, and only wants slow sex with lots of cuddling and nesting first, she ain't that into you.

Don't compliment us. As soon as you do we no longer see you as interesting.

casandra says

Don't compliment us. As soon as you do we no longer see you as interesting.

Yes, that's why I start with noticing a piece of clothing - never a physical characteristic like eyes/hair/legs/build etc. - and make a backhanded compliment about it being a costume or thift store buy. Depends on what kind of gal it is. If a Artsy Gal, say she got it from Old Navy or Abercrombie and Fitch... if a Snooty Chick, ask if she got it from a Thrift Shop, etc.

Her Drink, Her Bag, Her clothes - never, ever her physicality on approach.

AmericanKulak says

women love Cads.

Actually, I think that woman do not love cads per se, just that women will overlook cad behavior if the man is good looking.

Ceffer says

they fuck like a pile of wet gym socks

Interesting, because usually gym socks are only wet after one fucks them.

casandra says

Don't compliment us. As soon as you do we no longer see you as interesting.

If they think they have you, you become less interesting. Works the other way too.
Tell compliment and then slap her on butt, like an East European gentleman would do. They usually dont lose interest after that...but hardly posssible in US these days.

In my younger days womyn told me that if they like you, slap on butt is better than a compliment.

"Naked man": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw7e4Fn8ehA

HeadSet says

Actually, I think that woman do not love cads per se, just that women will overlook cad behavior if the man is good looking.

They really do love Cads. Even homely guys can win big with confidence. The problem is that homely leads to less confidence. Once you adopt a Costanza/DGAF attitude towards going out in general, it opens doors (and thighs).

Bd6r says

In my younger days womyn told me that if they like you, slap on butt is better than a compliment.

mostly reader says

"Naked man": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw7e4Fn8ehA

Truth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uUuRD_atfI

Some thoughts on this topic:

First, let’s define what success with women means here. I’ll define it as having options. You have the option to have a relationship, option to have sex, option to reject. If you are being rejected by the woman, you have no option and that by definition means no success.

Based on the original thread topic, I’m separating the success of marriage here as my input is more based on earlier stage dating.

Thought #1:
During my single days, I found there were (4) primary ways to meet women:
1.) Walking up to women in public - this took some courage because rejection was a possible outcome.
2.) Joining some organization, which includes women, that puts you in a position to see the same women repeatedly (my friends and I called this repeated exposure). This allows things to develop more organically and creates a bit of a filter mechanism compared to #1 above. This could be a co-ed sports league, church, meet-up, gym, part time job at a local coffee shop etc. You get an opportunity to interact multiple times, assess how they view you, and observe that person in a social setting before asking them out.
3.) Set up by a friend. I was never a huge fan of this because too many people were involved and hungry for details. The nice thing is that a lot of the filtering has already been done by the matchmaker.
4.) Apps - I never liked this because you just never knew who it was that you were getting. Between my friends and I, we had some pretty crazy and unexpected stories from our dating App days. I’ve also talked to women who told me that they get as many as “multiple hundreds” of contacts daily from local men on these apps if they have even semi-attractive profiles. I’ve known single girls that had multiple dinner dates set up per week with new guys and were wined and dined anytime they wanted. To be fair, I also have close friends who are happily married today with kids from what started as App dating too.

#2 above is the best for developing a relationship. #1 and #4 lead to the quickest sex.

Thought #2
There was a period of time in my life when I was serial dating and putting a lot of effort into meeting women. I was going out with new women 2-3 times per week. It was the loneliest I’ve ever felt and most disappointed I’ve been with the quality of women I was meeting because my primary filter mechanism for the date was physical appearance. One observation that’s stuck with me during this time is I would never get offered to split the meal bill on a first date. I actually stopped taking women out for dinner dates for a period of time because it was getting too expensive, and instead opted for cheaper outings with an easier out in case I came to the conclusion that there wouldn’t be a repeat date. Time is precious and cutting the date short became an art.

Thought #3
I can’t stress this enough but the earlier a man gets comfortable and understands rejection, the more successful they’ll be with women. What helped me is understanding that if I approach a woman, she may be married, she may have a BF, she may be gay, she may be depressed, she may be terrified of being approached, etc etc. If you approach a woman and she rejects you, that’s fine, could be many reasons for it. Asking women out and dating in general is a language or dance. The more you do it, the more comfortable you get, the more data points you take in, the better you get at it.

Thought #4:
Any way you slice it, the more women you are engaging with, the more drama you will have, guaranteed. When I was dating, a good amount of my energy was just managing “crazy”. Some women are insane, some insecure, some won’t take no for an answer, some want to get back at you for rejecting them, list goes on and on. You always have to be smart and protect yourself.

Maybe someday I’ll write a book on this topic

paywall, but interesting read on how society changed. or maybe it was always like that. in middle east they have harems for successful men, since ancient times.

Elon has a de-facto harem in spite of the laws. Even slept with Sergei Brin's wife.

Patrick says

Elon has a de-facto harem in spite of the laws. Even slept with Sergei Brin's wife.

I see that as a Alpha behavior.

Elon must spread his seed! He is practicing panspermia without the space travel!

Many rock or pop concerts I have been to, there is groupie action of some kind. You see women handing keys to the performers onto the stage. One rocker at the Boardwalk concerts even announced one of his groupie regulars in the area, who screamed at him from the audience she was eager 'to get balls on her chin'.

Everybody knows that the female aphrodisiacs are fame, money, power and status. I would also add drug scores to that. It isn't that often that they just go out for physical release. It happens, just not that often.

A friend in Santa Cruz when he was stationed in the Navy said there was a dedicated phone line to the enlisted men's hangout in Corpus Christi. He asked what it was, and it was a 'zipless fuck' line where local women would call to pull up in a car to get dogged by young service men. If you answered, you could go out to her car and get laid. He claimed he didn't answer himself, but I suspect he is lying. I don't know what kind of women you could expect from such an experience.

Ceffer says

the female aphrodisiacs are fame, money, power and status

Doesn't work without confidence though.

LOL! I have fame, money, power and status, but I just can't score because I have no confidence.

I remember once a girl telling me she liked me because I was so confident, which surprised me because I never thought I was, more of a worry wart. Maybe I was confident compared to her.

#1 aphrodisiac for women is fame.

You can debate money, power, looks, and everything else after that.

Sorry for my super dumb question. what’s the ballpark percentage of cases one (male or female) can be evaluated without sex involved in dating before coming to conclusion that it’s a good match to go ahead and marry.

Blue says

Sorry for my super dumb question. what’s the ballpark percentage of cases one (male or female) can be evaluated without sex involved in dating before coming to conclusion that it’s a good match to go ahead and marry.

Western Civ hasn't done this in generations. Ask based people in South Asia.

This is not a sarcastic remark.

AmericanKulak says

Blue says

Sorry for my super dumb question. what’s the ballpark percentage of cases one (male or female) can be evaluated without sex involved in dating before coming to conclusion that it’s a good match to go ahead and marry.

Western Civ hasn't done this in generations. Ask based people in South Asia.

This is not a sarcastic remark.

I'm a Christian, I'm somewhat bias. That being said I believe Focus on the Family has some pretty good research on the issue.
https://www.focusonthefamily.com/marriage/premarital-sex-and-greater-risk-of-divorce/

Yes, WOMEN who are sexually active before marriage are involved in divorce more often.

Note, the study says women, not men. In fact all three of four that specifically mention women, it was women's premartial promiscuity that endangers marriage.

Very, very few Churches deal honestly and openly with the plain reading of Paul's recommendations these days.

Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord.

(The next verse, that men should AGAPE their wives, is translated as "Love" in English since our language is poor in breadth of love. Greek Agape is discriminatory love, the affection of desire for wellbeing that a teacher for a student or a caretaker for his flock involving making choices on their behalf and disciplining them when necessary. Maitrī would be the Indian Civilization equivalent - "Lovingkindness". It is not Chivalric Love, oh my beauty, I shall take every star from the sky for you, I hope my forgetfulness of the trash removal last week shall not ban me from thou bed, my head shall hit the floor 7x7 for my blind devotion to your beauty and grace)

And, that women - all women - are not to instruct men.

Our problem is gynocentrism, not equality or remnants of Patriarchy.

I had a Mormon female employee in the day. They are relentless converters, but I did enjoy hanging out with her husband and sons. They tried to sell me on the sex angle, and the employee showed me their bedroom, which was decked out like a Victorian whore house, it was hilarious, mirrors on the ceiling, everything but the velvet swing. The message was, that if we became Mormons, my wife would then become a totally subservient sex vessel to me by religious default, it was a strange selling point.

However, when her son became a missionary, we went to the Mormon services, which lasted HOURS and HOURS, with people mostly just sitting around and children running all over the place screaming. Coming from staid and ritualized Catholic masses with a beginning, a middle and an end, it was really strange.

Mormons tend to wed early and start popping out the kids. Marriage is nearly mandatory. I don't know what their general policies are to random fuckaciousness or pre marital sex, though. I don't think they are that strict.

How to sleep with lots of womyn:

Blue says

Sorry for my super dumb question. what’s the ballpark percentage of cases one (male or female) can be evaluated without sex involved in dating before coming to conclusion that it’s a good match to go ahead and marry.

I read a book on statistics once that claimed that the optimal number of women to date before proposing is six, assuming that you cannot go backwards and change your mind about previous ones. After the sixth one, you should accept the first woman after that who is better than the previous six.

The argument made lots of assumptions, but seemed pretty clear to me at the time.

2 n half men charlie had good advice. You pay to get rid of women after sex. Women,almost all, act up n cause headaches if u break up with them. Best to tell them u lost job n have no money. They will break up with you. Act as if you were sad to lose her.

If u r 6 ft , famous , or rich u can get lot of women. 90 percent want top10% men. Rest of the people have to work towards getting one.

My Guage for women is get to know them 6 months and see if i can handke them when they are angry. See if you can handle when they are on their period. Besides sex , you have to deal with her about 23 hrs.

Around age of 26 women tend to look for husband type man who is relatively handsone. Around 30 they want man who has job so they can marry n have kids fast. 35 aged women will marry anyone but her looks will be done so I doubt men would marry.

Bd6r says

"How to sleep with lots of womyn:"
How about the "Musk" men's fragrance? Probably smells like that 230 billion.

Patrick says

After the sixth one, you should accept the first woman after that who is better than the previous six.

Not sure, if there is any co-relation that once I read. Generally most folks choose wrong one if the choices are given more than around 6.

KgK one says

2 n half men charlie had good advice. You pay to get rid of women after sex. Women,almost all, act up n cause headaches if u break up with them. Best to tell them u lost job n have no money. They will break up with you. Act as if you were sad to lose her.

If u r 6 ft , famous , or rich u can get lot of women. 90 percent want top10% men. Rest of the people have to work towards getting one.

My Guage for women is get to know them 6 months and see if i can handke them when they are angry. See if you can handle when they are on their period. Besides sex , you have to deal with her about 23 hrs.

Around age of 26 women tend to look for husband type man who is relatively handsone. Around 30 they want man who has job so they can marry n have kids fast. 35 aged women will marry anyone but her looks will be done so I doubt men would marry.

KgK one says

Besides sex , you have to deal with her about 23 hrs.

You mean 23hrs and 59min? 😀

Ceffer says

There was a guy on Bad Tube a few years ago who filmed the 'shotgun' approach by just approaching girls on the beach and very quickly asking for sex. Out of 200 American women attempts, none said yes though there was those who were entertained by the question. When he tried somewhere in Europe, he got one girl to agree out of about 100 to go with him to have zipless sex, and she was cute, too.

In my misspent youth, I had a friend who said shotgun would work with about one out of 50, with many slaps on the face, but he always projected ready cash.

Another friend who owned a bar said the real short cut is flashing cash and a baggie of cocaine, which he said guaranteed getting laid before closing.

It tends to be the same ole same ole. Some suggestion of resources flowing to the woman from the man. Has to be done at least in a token, symbolic manner if nothing else.

Those are terrible odds and seems risky… get your ass kicked by an out of frame boyfriend or cancelled after someone gets you on camera.

Seems to me that the shotgun approach where you approach with confidence, strike up conversation first, and get a number would spike those odds considerably

BayArea says

You mean 23hrs and 59min?

Like prisoners, 59 minutes of R&R outside of the cell or on the crapper before she rips the hinges off and comes after you.

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