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The deaths from the flu went to zero in 2020, while a respiratory illness with similar characteristics caused hundreds of thousands of deaths.

The CDC statistics have zero credibility.

Patrick says

I still do not know anyone who died from the virus, or even anyone who got seriously ill.

I do! They were vaxxed.

Misc says

The deaths from the flu went to zero in 2020, while a respiratory illness with similar characteristics caused hundreds of thousands of deaths.

The CDC statistics have zero credibility.

Not zero but they did dive. If you believe the CDC data.

Onvacation says

Check out the graph below.

They count WITH separately from FROM. It's confusing and I can't find any clarification from the CDC.

I don't see anything wrong with it, which is why I'm asking you to clarify, because I feel like maybe I'm missing the obvious. Assuming your answer to my question is "yes":

The way I look at it, there's probably 3 categories here:

1) "died with covid / multiple causes / death spiral"
2) "died directly from covid"
3) "BOTH 1&2"

They only show us 2 categories in the dataset, which are #2 & #3.
#2 is called "FROM" and #3 is called "WITH".
#1 is not provided. #1 = #3 minus #2 (edit - #1 is your calculated difference)

Although, I would have thought many more deaths would be in #1 vs #2, but the data implies the opposite, making me not feel confident.

If you start printing enough tens of thousands of dollars of fiat money for each sample of a particular cause of death, I would hazard the thought that the hospitals would be happy to kill as many patients as possible and assign them that cause of death, no matter any inconvenient facts of the situation.

It's just the same bribery crap that has infiltrated the foreign occupied foreign city state of Washington DC.

Multiple citizen journalists illustrated completely empty covid tents and nearly empty emergency rooms and waiting areas. The hospitals were gorged with fake Covid bux and didn't need the rest of the business.

Everyone I know who got seriously sick with Covid went one of two ways:
1)avoided hospitals and recovered at home, sometimes hiring medical workers to get them oxygen and iv drips as well as appropriate medications. Every single one of these people recovered even the ones in their 80s!
2)went to the hospital and most of them got put in a ventilator. Of these, over half of them died. Of the ones given Remdesivir, over half died.

I did know of two people who died. My wife’s ex brother in law (late 50s) and his brother both died of Covid. He refused ivermectin. I don’t know why. He’s dead now.
The other one was a coworker I didn’t really know. Obese and unhealthy and ventilated at the hospital with Remdesivir. Dead!

Hircus says

The way I look at it, there's probably 3 categories here:

1) "died with covid / multiple causes / death spiral"
2) "died directly from covid"
3) "BOTH 1&2"

They only show us 2 categories in the dataset, which are #2 & #3.
#2 is called "FROM" and #3 is called "WITH".

My analyses of the data indicates very few comorbidities contributed to the death toll, which is the opposite of what we saw and common sense would indicate. You can see in this chart that 90% of the WITH people died FROM covid.

I would further conject that the line I call difference is actually the people that died without any apparent comorbidities.

Covid is the hyena. It takes old the sick and old.

FURTHERMORE we know that first spike of covid deaths was from nursing homes and non treatment. The CDC's data implies that very few of these people had comorbidities and died FROM not WITH.

The COVID mind-fuck is turning lots of people into immunologists or epidemiologists, at least those who seek to understand. Not that that is a bad thing. And newly emergent infectious disease does affect the elderly more, but the 2009 H1N1 pandemic had an interesting twist, verifying the power of natural immunity and immune memory. The mortality rate for the 2009 outbreak was greatest in the 50-59 age group, but decreased in older age groups because these oldsters had been exposed to related strains that swept thru when they were much younger, and so they had pre-existing immunity, while the heading into oldsterism 50-59 age cohort had less exposure to the earlier viruses, not having been hatched yet at the time.

"Adults aged 50–59 years had the highest fatality due to 2009 H1N1; older adults may have been spared due to pre-existing immunity. However, once infected and hospitalized in intensive care, case-fatality ratios were high for all adults, especially in those over 60 years. Vaccination of adults older than 50 years should be encouraged."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3071719/

"H1N1 swine flu doesn't seem to be a big problem for seniors unless that person has a chronic underlying condition, says Thomas Yoshikawa, MD, professor of medicine at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA and editor-in-chief of the Journal of the American Geriatrics Society.

Most H1N1 cases are occurring in younger people. "It appears that older persons, who have been exposed multiple times in their life time with various flu outbreaks, may have residual immunity of which some of it is against this H1N1 flu strain," Yoshikawa tells WebMD."

However, underlying health problems like heart and lung diseases or a compromised immune system "confers an increased risk of influenza, whether it's swine flu or another type of flu," says Sean X. Leng, MD, PhD, a geriatrician conducting research on influenza immunization in older adults and assistant professor of medicine at Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine.
https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/features/swine-flu-and-the-elderly

So if younger, get out into the environment. Enjoy life. Don't shelter in place, it may kill you when you are older. Don't be obese, smoke, or neglect your health. And stay the fuck out of the hospital.

Onvacation says

Are you implying the pandemic was manipulated?

I can't explain the rationale behind the insanity that gripped this country, but our institutions clearly are compromised. And murderers do start fires to hide their crimes.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

However, once infected and hospitalized in intensive care, case-fatality ratios were high for all adults

So it's better to stay home and take Nyquil and drink lots of liquids until you feel better.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

Onvacation says

Are you implying the pandemic was manipulated?

I can't explain the rationale behind the insanity that gripped this country, but our institutions clearly are compromised.

I think I can explain the insanity.

Our institutions are clearly compromised and a large percentage of the population aren't aware of it and continue to listen to these corrupt institutions believing they are truthful and not corrupt.

It's a combination of corruption, and naivety. Apparently corruption + naivety = societal insanity. I think we've had societal insanity for at least 22 years. That's at least when I first became aware of it. It's very likely that society has been insane longer than I've been aware of it as well. I only became dimly aware of it 22 years ago, and it's certain I was part of it as well. 22 years ago, climate change and CO2 emissions were going to kill us all, or so I believed.

The election of Bush was my first REAL awakening, to realize all our media is propaganda.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

So if younger, get out into the environment. Enjoy life. Don't shelter in place, it may kill you when you are older. Don't be obese, smoke, or neglect your health. And stay the fuck out of the hospital.

This all that should have been promoted. I'm in a small town and see the same 6-10 people walking the dog or running. 2k people.... Maybe they take different routes on the other side of town, but no one moves!

My one neighbor who walks his dog is in his 70's. He's fucking awesome. He's a kindred spirit so to speak. He yells at his mower when doing yard work and also his dog when he's walking him. Basically it will be me at 70. We'll chat for an hour if we cross paths when he's walking. Really cool old dude, but has a temper like a mother fucker and it makes me smile. I don't know why... lol. He's happy, but gets pissed at stuff, much like me.

Tangent aside, covid is a virus of being unhealthy if you die. Not much else to it. I don't know anyone personally that has died from it, but everyone that has gotten it really has little to no issues. Some are unhealthy as well. I think age is factor 1 and then your comorbidities. If you have 2+ co's (diabetes, heart disease, asthma, lupus, etc) you're likely in for at least a rough bout of it or you could die.

Onvacation says

My analyses of the data indicates very few comorbidities contributed to the death toll, which is the opposite of what we saw and common sense would indicate. You can see in this chart that 90% of the WITH people died FROM covid.

I agree. Like I said, I would think deaths with comorbidities would be the majority, but the data according to your definitions shows the opposite. I'm assuming you didn't accidentally swap the data columns.

Have you done any research into what specifically those columns mean? I think you might be making faulty assumptions about what those 2 categories mean. I've dealt with a decent amount of data sets in my life, and often the title of some column of data does not well describe the data - they're often wildly different, and frequently leads to "WTF why is it named this???". So many times a column has a simple name but ends up being a mishmash of other stuff added and removed as time went on and business rules evolved, eventually leading to bizarre column names and combinations of columns, including historical columns that store a previous version that is included for backwards compat or different use cases. That might be the case here. How do you know which category includes comorbidities, and which comorbidities, and under which scenarios, each column covers? They may BOTH cover comorbidities for all we know, but have some different rules.

Hircus says

Have you done any research into what specifically those columns mean? I think you might be making faulty assumptions about what those 2 categories mean.

The data dictionary CDC provided is vague. I tried to find more info online with no luck.

Hircus says

How do you know which category includes comorbidities, and which comorbidities, and under which scenarios, each column covers? They may BOTH cover comorbidities for all we know, but have some different rules.

The data does not include info on comorbidities.

I think the worldwide proliferation of live on camera collapses and deaths of hundreds of major and minor media celebrities would be enough evidence for anyone with two functioning brain cells that the clot shot is a killer more than a cure.

None of these people, as well as anyone in the medical profession, is allowed to admit the reason for the collapse and/or deaths.

I believe that the principle of "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" can be suspended during this time of universal, ubiquitous censorship.

This shit is going on, it is real, it is coming for you and everyone you love. Though you might have your heads in the sand, they can still stick you with the clot shot in your collective asses, or is that in fact your brains?

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

However, once infected and hospitalized in intensive care, case-fatality ratios were high for all adults, especially in those over 60 years.

A cynical person might think the tens of thousands of dollars in federal funding per patient to administer lethal treatments like ventilators and Remdesivir had something to do with this.

All we know is that when Remdesivir doesn't do the trick in the ICU units, they have huge supplies of "The Pillow Man" pillows to finish the job.

It sure would be interesting to get a simple database with every victim of Covid-19.

NAME | BIRTHDATE | DEATHDATE | ADDRESS | TREATMENTS | COMORBIDITIES

Looked for it but couldn't find it. There were only a million US victims. It would not be hard to do and a lot of questions could be answered.

Onvacation says

Looked for it but couldn't find it.

Now you will be audited.

HeadSet says

Now you will be audited.

We're all on the list now. Process crimes are now worse than robbery.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/impactful-saturday-august-17-2024

In a way, the science mags are running into the same problem media had back during covid, when every new, more terrifying variant, arriving like clockwork every eight-point-three minutes, stretched the journalistic thesaurus to the breaking point. Alarming, dire, dangerous, dreadful, fearsome, formidable, horrifying, and so on until they reached the end of the alphabet: worrisome.

Then they went back to the beginning and started over, patiently and methodically working their way back through the letters, but Newsweek prematurely jumped the queue and ejected the “Doomsday variant.” It was all downhill from there, and reporters limply accepted they’d shot their wad and became a spent force.

This phenomenon is only ‘new’ in the sense that, as we’ve become increasingly mentally vaccinated to media alarmism through a long-term desensitization process, they’ve steadily increased the frightfulness-volume setting to a deafening ’11.’

I fondly recall how, back in the halcyon 90’s, enjoying the post-Soviet peace dividend, media would run much simpler doomsday stories like “Formica: The Silent Killer.” Or my personal, all-time favorite, even beyond covid (to which I’ve now devoted a substantial chunk of my career), the Venn-diagram convergence of about six attention-grabbing media gambits: “Is Your Bra Killing You?”