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jykiodfgr says

richwicks says

NATO is going to lose this

Agreed, do you think we'll see Chinese troops in Europe? or will it be a wholly Russian operation?

I think Europe will essentially be a 3rd world zone with NO military intervention.

I don't think any troops will have to enter Europe. All they need to do is cut off energy. Russia and China, however, might enter the Middle East. Just give the Middle East a better deal than "give me your shit, or we're going to bomb the fuck out of you" they'll go along.

Fucking stupid Neocons have destroyed this nation and Europe. They are as arrogant, as they are stupid.

Israel will remain a US "ally", a parasite, but that will be the extent of US influence in the Middle East soon.

All somebody needs to do with the stupid Muslims is say "hey shitheads, you assholes have been fighting for over 1000 years, if you stop being dumb fucking morons, you could co-operate and build something".

I've said it many times, the end of this nation didn't start recently, it began with George W. Bush using the murder of 3,000 people in NYC as a cynical excuse to attack Iraq, which has absolutely nothing to do with it. If he was executed, as he should have been, and still should be, it would have ended, but instead we got Obozo the Black Clown to attack 5 more nations.

The MIC has destroyed this nation.

Whoever is pulling the strings in the United States doesn't give a fuck about the United States. If we're lucky, we'll end up being as important as Australia is now.

Really, I think the last 30 years of foreign policy has been "fuck it, although I know this will destroy the country, it makes me a LOT of money for now, and by the time it destroys the nation, I'll be dead - also, fuck my kids, I don't give a shit about them"

jykiodfgr says

Interesting perspective, thanks! A possible best case scenario, but I don't think they will go quietly into the night though.

No, they aren't going quietly into the night.

This chaos is what they are doing to cling to power. They are kicking and screaming now.

There's censorship on the Internet, and CERTAINLY in our "news" media - that's a very clear sign of weakness, not strength. In order to maintain power, they have to continually lie to the population at this point, and they can't allow open discussion of what they are lying about.

I was personally happy to see censorship in the open. Suddenly, I could see who the enemies of the nation were. I didn't realize that Twitter was, I suspected Google but I could be certain afterward, I always knew Facebook were traitors. I didn't realize banks would deplatform people - kick them out of the actual banking system. I suspected the FIB and other intelligence agencies had some "bad apples", I didn't realize they were in fact entirely criminal organizations. I thought the DOJ was a bit corrupt, not entirely corrupt.

I'm just sitting back waiting for the rest of the public to realize it. I know it's taken many people by surprise. I think a lot of people have been in denial. I was in denial, and I'm CYNICAL, but it's 100x worse than I believed back in 2015, and I mean that, it's literally 100 times worse. I only scratched the surface. I now know our government regularly lies us into war, that politicians are nothing more than mafia heads, that the intelligence agencies will blatantly entrap and prosecute innocent people, that the DOJ engages in selective prosecution regularly. I thought these were rare occurrences, nope, that's their main function - real investigation, real prosecution, THAT is the rarity.

RWSGFY says

jykiodfgr says

Looks like 500 dead Ukrainian a day for the last 10 days, so 5000 dead. How many conscripts are there?

You have a proof for that number? Don't get me wrong, I TOTALLY BELIEVE you, but our very strict resident sceptics like @richwicks will require solid documentation. You better have your ducks in a row or he'll rip you a new asshole for spreading state propaganda.

So, are you going to put up?

jykiodfgr says

NATO is about to lose this entire region.

When exactly will it be "lost"?

jykiodfgr says

You can literally see Putin's rage building up on these maps. Let's nuke the EU Putin.

All I see is on that map Putin losing the last means to do the "pincer move to encircle AFU in Dumb Ass" because that one depended on Izum which he fucking lost.

Losing ground to the opponent having literally 1/10 of everything compared to the RU AF: tanks, artillery pieces, aircraft... Pathetic.

jykiodfgr says

NATO is about to lose this entire region.

ANY MOMENT NOW!

jykiodfgr says

Looks like another 500+ Ukrainian draftees were destroyed yesterday, I wonder how long they can keep this up.

Maybe, but they killed 1500+ Ruscist conscripts and destroyed/captured 200 tanks so the attrition rate is heavily in the Ukie favor.

https://nitter.pussthecat.org/TatsuyaIshida9

If mobilizing and throwing in 300,000 poorly-equipped conscripts as cannon fodder was part of the plan, why wasn't it done before starting the SCHMO? And if it wasn't, doesn't it mean that the SCHMO is not going as planned?

Let's see some pretzels!

RWSGFY says

If mobilizing and throwing in 300,000 poorly-equipped conscripts as cannon fodder was part of the plan, why wasn't it done before starting the SCHMO? And if it wasn't, doesn't it mean that the SCHMO is not going as planned?

Let's see some pretzels!

Nope, it ain't going as planned. Putin had hoped to have a puppet government in Kiev. He did not want to acquire territory. The Ukies fought back instead of surrendering so now he is acquiring buffer territory by annexing parts of Ukraine into Russia. I understand the locals in the 4 areas are holding referendums over the next week to vote on becoming part of Russia. According to UN charter this is permissible (we did the same thing with respect to Kosovo). If this goes according to plan, then any attack on these newly acquired territories would constitute a direct attack on Russia itself. Putin said something about possibly using nukes to defend Russia's territorial integrity, but he has lied in the past so we will see what happens.

https://nitter.pussthecat.org/ThePacificNews

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (AP) — Two U.S. military veterans who disappeared while fighting Russia with Ukrainian forces have been released after about three months in captivity, relatives said Wednesday.

Alex Drueke, 39, and Andy Huynh, 27, went missing after their unit came under heavy fire in the Kharkiv region of northeastern Ukraine near the Russian border June 9. Both had traveled to Ukraine on their own and became friends because both are from Alabama.

The families announced their release in a joint statement from Dianna Shaw, an aunt of Drueke.

“They are safely in the custody of the U.S. embassy in Saudi Arabia and after medical checks and debriefing they will return to the states,” the statement said.

The Saudi embassy released a statement saying it had mediated the release of 10 prisoners from Morocco, the United States, the United Kingdom, Sweden and Croatia, but there wasn’t any immediate confirmation on whether Drueke and Huynh were part of the group.

jykiodfgr says

Fatalities on the Ukrainian side are ten times higher, with 61,207 Kiev troops killed

"10 to 1 is not good enough, it should be at least 100 to 1 like when US forces illegaly invade other countries."

PS. So, let's recoup, Russia lost only 6,000 troops but needs to conscript 300,000? Why bother if everything works so swimmingly as is? And why did brave Ruscist troops clear out of thousands of square miles in less than a week? Tired of all that killing, I guess?

Misc says

He did not want to acquire territory.

Bzzzt, wrong: he said many times, including last night, that he wants to annex a piece of Ukraine. So he did want and still wants to acquire territory. It's just he's now doing negative acquisition, that's all.

jykiodfgr says

within the last three weeks Kiev had lost in total more than 7,000 service members killed and 970 weapon units neutralized, including 208 tanks, 245 APCs and 186 other armored military vehicles, as well as 15 military planes.

Hey, @rickwicks, are you going to demand proof or this Baghdad Bob shit is good enough for you as is? Just so you know: if you don't,you'll make a complete ass clown out of yourself (again).

Russian mobilization is popular!

Over 1,000 people detained in anti-mobilization protests across Russia

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1572657809027919875

https://nitter.pussthecat.org/colonelhomsi/status/1528355702523174913#m

215 Ukrainians including Azov commanders exchanged for 55 Russians including Putin’s friend.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1572706047378219008

The Ukrainians are said to have returned 55 Russians in exchange. Included is Viktor Medvedchuk.

Of the 55 Russians, 2 are senior officers, colonel and major, 6 are junior officers, 4 are warrant officers, 40 are privates and sergeants, 2 are DPR soldiers, and another 2 are LPR.

Patrick says

What's the point? I already know my $120 is there, fighting Ruscists... That trip would be redundant an therefore unproductive waste of money and we don't want that!

The mobilisation is receiveng immense support:

https://twitter.com/sotiridi/status/1572568782748680194

It's nice to see them lining up like that.... to escape it.

Mobilizing 300000 troops isn't going to get you any more tanks, trucks, or artillery shells.

Rumor has it that the main purpose of US troops in Poland and the Baltics is to prevent them from invading Russia and Belirus.

RWSGFY says

If mobilizing and throwing in 300,000 poorly-equipped conscripts as cannon fodder was part of the plan, why wasn't it done before starting the SCHMO? And if it wasn't, doesn't it mean that the SCHMO is not going as planned?

Everything we are told is given to us by a government that lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, lied about Qaddafi causing a humanitarian crisis in Libya, lied about Assad gassing his own citizens, and lied about not overthrowing Ukraine in a coup.

We've had the Ghost of "Kyiv", the massacre on Snake Island, a Massacre in Mariopol that wasn't done by the Russians - it's so weird to me people still believe this fucking lying government and it's pathetic propaganda media.

Eric Holder says

Hey, @rickwicks, are you going to demand proof or this Baghdad Bob shit is good enough for you as is? Just so you know: if you don't,you'll make a complete ass clown out of yourself (again).

What are you talking about?

Did we find a weapons of mass destruction program in Iraq yet?

Stop thinking like a child. I'm so sick of it. You insist on a false dichotomy. You realize, that if Iraq's government lies, doesn't mean that the US government tells the truth, don't you?

You realize that if Ukraine's puppet US government lies, doesn't mean that Russia's government tells the truth, don't you?

Grow up.

It seems to me Russia just has to keep the war going, and win through attrition, as Europe freezes to death this winter. That's likely what they do. This war is going to drag on forever now. Even if Ukraine now gives into all the demands of Russia, Russia isn't going to stop.

People within Ukraine that would like to come to terms with the Russians are targeted by our CIA (sometimes with missile strikes). The conflict is not popular in the Ukraine, but the opposing political party was disbanded and those vocalizing dissent are put in prison at best. It is a full on dictatorship.

We in the West hear about the 1000 people arrested for protesting the Russian mobilization, but we hear nothing about the arrests, closing down any opposing media and full on Big Brother activity of Zelensky.

When the Special Operation was initiated, Putin had no intention of occupying the Ukraine. He attacked with about 190000 personnel. For a country with Ukraine's population, it would take a force of about 1 million to occupy it. No, he wanted a puppet government in Kiev. He ain't gonna get that anytime soon, so he is annexing territory using the same type of referendums we used for Kosovo (let the people in the area vote to see if they wanna be part of Russia). He figures that if it is Russia territory the attacks from Ukraine will stop because Putin says he will use nukes. Putin has been known to lie on occasion, but with the systems Russia has in place if Russian territory is nuked I think the West backs down.

Booger says

Rumor has it that the main purpose of US troops in Poland and the Baltics is to prevent them from invading Russia and Belirus.

I doubt they need that. Russia's performance is unimpressive, regardless of there being Western Mercs probably doing 90% of the work and the Ukrainian conscripts merely doing positional warfare.

Where are the French and German and Italian troops? Much shorter transport and logistics line.

AmericanKulak says

Booger says

Rumor has it that the main purpose of US troops in Poland and the Baltics is to prevent them from invading Russia and Belirus.

I doubt they need that. Russia's performance is unimpressive, regardless of there being Western Mercs probably doing 90% of the work and the Ukrainian conscripts merely doing positional warfare.

Where are the French and German and Italian troops? Much shorter transport and logistics line.

That's the point. Russia isn't interested in forcing a win and end up losing through incompetence. Unless people rise up and fire putin the situation hurts Europe more than Russia. Sure some oligarchs are fucked but the common people aren't. Russia can simply do deals with the East, plenty of energy hungry developing countries. Europe doesn't want to commit troops and lose lives as their "leaders" are already totally hated by the people. And xiden keeps shuffling hard earned American taxpayer money into corrupt Ukraine to cover for hunter, nuland et al and all their corrupt dealings and meddling.

jykiodfgr says

there is a risk that the conflict would escalate into an all-out war between Russia and Europe, which could spiral out of control

In order for Europe to engage in a conventional war with Russia, they would have to get an alternative energy supply.

Europe should have LONG AGO, worked to make better relations with Russia and drop their alignment with the United States. The US should have also fostered better relations with Russia and dropped their alignment with Europe.

Remember, the whole bullshit about the Cold War was about the supposed evil of the USSR - well, the USSR is dead - so we know the enmity between the US / Europe and Russia had nothing to do with communism. It has nothing to do with human rights, it has nothing to do with democracy or self-determination.

Look at US and European relations with China. They don't give a shit about freedom, or self determination at all. We've been lied to our entire lives. Our government had made Russia an enemy for some reason, and they just make up the shit they think we want to hear to justify them as enemies. Oh, we're all mad that Russia is bombing Ukraine, Americans don't give a shit about that. The US government has been bombing tons of nations, who cares? None of the "liberals" do, they didn't give a fuck when Obomba brought back slavery to Libya, or fucking blew up Somalia or Syria. They cheered it on.

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/joe-bidens-last-stand/

Let us agree that the place called Ukraine was never any of America’s business. For centuries we ignored it, through all the colorful cavalry charges to-and-fro of Turks and Tatars, the reign of the dashing Zaporozhian Cossacks, the cruel abuses of Stalin, then Hitler, and the dull, gray Khrushchev-to-Yeltsin years. But then, having destroyed Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Somalia and sundry other places all on a great hegemonic lark, the professional warmongers of our land and their catamites in Washington made Ukraine their next special project. They engineered the 2014 coup in Kiev that ousted the elected president, Mr. Yanyukovich, to set up a giant grifting parlor and international money-laundromat. The other strategic aim was to prepare Ukraine for NATO membership, which would have made it, in effect, a forward missile base right up against Russia’s border. Because, well, Russia, Russia, Russia!

An early beneficiary of these arrangements, you might recall, was one Hunter Biden, the drug-addicted, sex-obsessed, no-account son of Barack Obama’s no-account vice-president then known simply as Joe Biden sans quote-marks — because in 2014, he was a closer approximation of a real person than is sadly now the case. In fact, he was known as “The Big Guy” among Hunter’s business coterie (though listed as “Pedo Peter” on Hunter’s speed-dial). After the 2014 coup, and for years beyond, Hunter pulled a steady revenue stream out of Ukraine’s Burisma Holdings, a natgas distributor (among other things), serving as a know-nothing, no-show board member. When this monkey business came to the attention of President Trump, and he made a telephone inquiry about it, he was instantly beset by swarms of DC swamp vermin hoisting writs of impeachment.

Fast forward through the past eight years and you have Kiev’s persecution of the Russian-speaking Donbas provinces, the constant shelling and harassment by Banderite Nazis. Between that and the ever more strident urgings for Ukraine to join NATO, President Putin of Russia, Russia, Russia apparently had enough. In February of this year, he started the Special Military Operation to put an end to these hostilities. By April, when whole battalions of Ukrainian Nazis had been exterminated, a call to peace talks was issued by Mr. Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister. This was shot-down without ceremony by “Joe Biden” (that is, by the junta behind him). The genius strategists in Foggy Bottom aimed to “weaken” Russia. To what end? (you might ask). Okay: Reasons….

Hence, many hard-fought battles on-the-ground later, Ukraine has lost roughly 70,000 troops killed to Russia’s roughly 6,000 KIA. The USA pours $10-billion-a-month into this venture, including missiles aplenty and other ordnance, in a stupid effort to prolong the conflict and bankrupt our own land. Thus, Mr. Putin has decided to stop pussyfooting around Ukraine, and declared an upgrade in Russia’s effort to put a conclusive end to these shenanigans. He set this forth clearly in a sober speech Wednesday, which included a reminder to the geniuses in the White House basement game room that Russia is a nuclear power.

“Joe Biden” (looking like the ghost of Konstantin Chernenko) answered in a speech to the UN General Assembly the next day, a maundering recitation of sanctimonious bluster, larded with climate hysteria to alarm and bamboozle the UN’s scores of Third World delegates, with not a word about any possible peace talks — because peaceful resolution of the conflict is the last thing that our government wants. It wants war, meaning we citizens of this land will get it, good and hard, if the puppeteers working “Joe Biden’s” mouth get their way. Prepare to live in an ashtray.

Obviously, we need a new iteration of our Republic. Whatever historic programmed decay orbit occurring in the foreign occupied foreign city state of Washington DC with its beholden prostitutes trying to fiddle us into WWIII has got to end.

Patrick says

Ukraine has lost roughly 70,000 troops killed to Russia’s roughly 6,000 KIA.

Kunstler loses all credibility by aping Russian propaganda like this.

If Russia really only had 6,000 KIA - why have they lost so much territory, emptying their prisons and now calling up a draft for new troops?

Does it make any logical sense to you?

I'm quoting Kunstler there.

Why would you believe that Russia is emptying prisons? If you heard that from the corporate-media/weapons-maker crowd, you know it's not worth believing.

Personally, I have no idea how many were killed on either side. It's impossible to know from here. "The first casualty of war is truth."

But Kunstler is a pretty smart guy, so I wouldn't bet on him being wrong.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/09/24/putin-was-pushed-to-try-to-replace-the-zelensky-govt-with-decent-people-berlusconi/

Putin was ‘Pushed’ to Try to ‘Replace the Zelensky Govt with Decent People’ – Berlusconi

Former Italian prime minister Silvio Berlusconi has courted controversy on the eve of the Italian elections by saying that Russian president Vladimir Putin was “pushed” into war with Ukraine.

“Putin was pushed by the Russian population, by his party and by his ministers to invent this special operation,” the three-time Italian premier claimed on Italian television, in comments quoted by the BBC.

“The troops were supposed to enter, reach Kyiv in a week, replace the Zelensky government with decent people and a week later come back,” he claimed — an implied criticism of Volodymyr Zelensky which may prove to be the most controversial part of his statement.

“Instead they found an unexpected resistance, which was then fed by arms of all kinds from the West,” he added.

socal2 says

If Russia really only had 6,000 KIA - why have they lost so much territory, emptying their prisons and now calling up a draft for new troops?

Is any of this true?

I don't get it, you're probably not 20, and if you're over 40, you've seen how ceaselessly our government lies about war. Why do you believe anything you hear? How many times do these fucking fuckers fucking have to fucking lie to you before you think "maybe these fucking fuckers are fucking lying to me, AGAIN"?

They haven't told the truth about ANY of the wars they've been in since 2000, and probably before, and definitely not before in some instances. It's exhausting to go through all the lies to deconstruct. It's so common, I just assume they are lying until it's demonstrated otherwise. I ASSUME they lied us into Bosnia and Grenada, because they always lie, they lied about Vietnam and the Gulf of Tonkin Incident.

richwicks says

socal2 says

If Russia really only had 6,000 KIA - why have they lost so much territory, emptying their prisons and now calling up a draft for new troops?

Is any of this true?

I don't get it, you're probably not 20, and if you're over 40, you've seen how ceaselessly our government lies about war. Why do you believe anything you hear? How many times do these fucking fuckers fucking have to fucking lie to you before you think "maybe these fucking fuckers are fucking lying to me, AGAIN"?

I made 3 basic claims that I don't think anyone disputes:

- Russia admits it lost territory they initially captured around Kyiv. Russia also admit they just lost territory from the recent Ukrainian offensive in Kharkiv.
- Russia announces to the whole world they are calling up a draft and mobilizing 300,000 additional soldiers
- Russia admits they are recruiting from prisons - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufOVEKwY2sw

Putin just fired another top general. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63021117 None of this is secret or "fake news".

Taking all of these things together, I just think it is highly dubious to ape Russia death statistics like Kunstler just did, let alone claim that Russia is "winning" this thing with all of these new definitions of winning we are getting from Putin's defenders.

It would be like taking China's COVID death statistics at face value.