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WookieMan says

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Energy may not just become expensive, it may become unavailable.

Propane, it's just a crappier natural gas. We'll see, I hope everybody is OK, but Europe's government's leaders are traitors, literal traitors to their population. They could have easily avoided this mess - kick NATO out, no aggression with Russia, maintain the US' nuclear missiles. Detente, but instead they moved against Russia, and Russia is pushing back.

The "leaders" of Europe don't give a shit about their own populations. If (hopefully when) these mother fuckers get hung by lamp posts, I'm buying rounds of beer for anybody that wants to show up. I'd love to see Macron strung up, and I know a few Frenchmen that think the same.

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So help me out here. Who are the Neocons in the current administration that you are alluding ?

95% of our government are Neocons, Democrat and Republican.

We're still bombing Syria, Yemen, and Somalia, and we're itching for war with Russia. How does this advantage the United States, and why doesn't our government stop it?

Victoria Nuland is not executed, that tells you all you need to know. Fauci, a man that pushed to poison AIDs patients with AZT is still alive - that's a chemotherapy drug which killed the people that took it - is our "top doctor" still. That mother fucker isn't dead either.

Neocons are fascists, or really - authoritarians. They seek to destroy this nation for ultimate control, they are psychopaths. Why are they listening to Klauss Schwab? Who the FUCK is he? How did Schwab become a thing, and I mean a thing, to listen to? Name any accomplishment of that fuck? Why isn't George Soros in jail, at minimum?

Communism/Fascism - they don't care. As long as they have absolute control. They are moving us to own nothing and to eat bugs, and be happy. Who is speaking out against this in our federal government?

i think all north korea stuff is fake news. it sounds too silly.

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

i think all north korea stuff is fake news. it sounds too silly.

It would be interesting to see who would surrender quicker. Unmotivated Russians vs North Koreans eager to defect in exchange for free transportation to South Korea.

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richwicks says

I've railed against the Neocons of the United States for 20 years.

Cheney is gone, and so is Rumsfield and Wolfowitz. Who is left ? I don't think there are any stalwarts like McCain left.

Not even Lindsey Graham is that bad even though he said he wanted to see someone inside Russia to take out Putin.

So help me out here. Who are the Neocons in the current administration that you are alluding ?

Putin, Patrushev and Shoygu, duh.

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His legacy is on the line. He's got to deliver a war prize to the Russian masses by showing victory and annexation of new Russian states that were part of Ukraine.

In the 80's it was conceded that if the US justified bombing Japan in 1945, then any country could justify using a Nuke to resolve unwinnable conflict.

IT was why the biggest Idiots leading the latest thing these days, were the creators of the "No More Nukes" movement in the 80's.

Oh then their campaign won, but not letting consensus power go waste, they then turned their attention to "No More Nukes" to mean no more cheap clean nuke energy.

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Patrick says

I think the Russians look stupid for not executing the Powell Doctrine of going in with overwhelming force and a clear exit strategy, or not at all.

There is "no exit".

Putin wants to permanently occupy Ukraine as in "Stalinize" it. Its not just about Russian troops killing and looting, taking back stolen refrigerators and other valuable possessions to their Siberian homes.

I think he over extended himself and turned away many Ukrainians who were at least luke-warm pro-Russia. Now he has to rule over them with an iron fist for anyone of those that still remain in eastern Ukraine that borders Russia.

Russians being Russians, they'll likely try to get Russian citizens to move into these new annexed states.

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People still think that there is an "overwhelming force" hidden somewhere which hasn't been used yet? What was demonstsrated was it. They blew their load. If you hasn't achieved your objective with your most modern tanks, helicopters, missiles and professional troops, pulling T-62s out of storage and giving them to conscripts after 2 weeks of training won't do it either.

RWSGFY says

People still think that there is an "overwhelming force" hidden somewhere which hasn't been used yet? What was demonstsrated was it. They blew their load. If you hasn't achieved your objective with your most modern tanks, helicopters, missiles and professional troops, pulling T-62s out of storage and giving them to conscripts after 2 weeks of training won't do it either.

The "easy" part was supposed to be the shock and awe conventional part where they would quickly overthrow Zelensky's government assuming a big chuck on the Ukrainian population supported Russia. That is all out the window.

If Russia does manage to hang onto portions of Eastern Ukraine, I would think Russia and their puppets would be facing years of bloody insurgency.

I really fail to see any upside for Russia. They lost this thing in the first few weeks of the war. The sooner they wind this thing down the sooner the world can try to put this in the past and move on and get back to somewhat normal relations with Russia.

socal2 says

The sooner they wind this thing down the sooner the world can try to put this in the past and move on and get back to somewhat normal relations with Russia.

I'm thinking that Putin has gotta go before that can happen. Putin will either be dead or moved to North Korea or Iran.

RWSGFY says

People still think that there is an "overwhelming force" hidden somewhere which hasn't been used yet? What was demonstsrated was it. They blew their load.

People still think of Russians in terms of their late WW2 army, which was an anomaly.

RWSGFY says

pulling T-62s out of storage and giving them to conscripts after 2 weeks of training won't do it either.

Fixed:
pulling T-55'ss out of storage and giving them to conscripts after 2 weeks of training won't do it either.

And exactly how do you run out of tanks in storage when you have more than 10,000??? That must be some pretty shitty storage procedures / lack of oversight / lack of spare parts.

zzyzzx says

And exactly how do you run out of tanks in storage when you have more than 10,000??? That must be some pretty shitty storage procedures / lack of oversight / lack of spare parts.

In Ruscia everything which is not bolted down gets stolen. Then there is the weather which is also the climate, LOL.... If trucks were not properly maintained in active duty professional outfits (as shown by the Feb-March disaster when tires were falling apart on Ruscists 6x6s and 8x8s whenever they aired down for off-road use) what do you think happening on some storage lot in the middle of Siberia?

jykiodfgr says

I think the goal is to kill the maximum number of liberal Ukrainians.

Yep, it's the good old genocide and ethnic cleansing, nothing else. Laid bare with "NATO", "Nazis" and "bioWEAPONS labs" have been clearly proven to be horse shit and false pretense.

socal2 says

I really fail to see any upside for Russia.

They are truly a low IQ country, that's all.

Russia already doesn't have enough NCO's and officers. How are they going to manage another 300,000+ ???

They are already at the point of sending people into combat without weapons and just asking them to pick up a rifle

Putin now wants anyone with call of duty experience to report for draft immediately.

Booger says

Russia already doesn't have enough NCO's and officers. How are they going to manage another 300,000+ ???

I see most of the 300,000 just boots on the ground to act as police force within regions that they already control. Its to solidify their control such as the region north of Crimea, as well as the water supply. I suspect they are trying displace anyone within those regions who do not toe the line as far as Kremlin takeover, and they'll bring in Russians to populate these areas following Stalin's playbook.

They may reinforce the border of this region with regular troops. I do not know if they will try to move further west within the next 12 months, but they may try to recover from this and eventually move toward Kiev.

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Those 300, or more, extra troops aren't going to do much, if anything except strain Russia's crappy supply lines. Once Ukraine has F-16's and Abrams Tanks and more HIMARS (like 100), what do you think is going to happen? We are talking about early 2023 here.

If 100 HIMRS sounds like a lot, well Poland wants 500, and the US probably has a lot more than that.

RWSGFY says

People still think that there is an "overwhelming force" hidden somewhere which hasn't been used yet?

Russia is not America in 1940. But it has nukes and as will be shown in the coming months, it can field a large Army if it has the will. In that regard Russia is Iike a sleeping giant. Probably stronger today than it was before world war 2. NATO is giving it little choice but to defend its territory, and let’s not pretend that Ukraine isn’t part of Russian territory.

PeopleUnited says

let’s not pretend that Ukraine isn’t part of Russian territory

The only pretending is you disingenuously thinking that towns such as in central Ukraine like Uman want to be under the thumb of the Kremlin.

I see Putin using nuclear weapons as extortion as he psychotically considers any attack on Russian soldiers invading Ukraine such as south of Kiev as an attack on Russian land and people.

Next he'll invade Alaska and threaten to use nuclear weapons if the attack is repealed or resisted.

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The only pretending is you disingenuously thinking that towns such as in central Ukraine like Uman want to be under the thumb of the Kremlin.

Did Ukraine build those nuclear power plants or was that the Soviet Union under direction of the Kremlin? Like it or not USSR created Ukraine’s infrastructure. Thus, the Kremlin sees it as theirs. Nobody has to like it. But they better realize it because that is how the Kremlin feels. They feel as if they lost a piece of their country. They want it back.

PeopleUnited says

They feel as if they lost a piece of their country.

Russia is famous for being a shitty place to live, and treating it's people and neighbors poorly. Then they wonder why everyone hates them, and even most Russians want to leave the country.

Those Russians fleeing the draft and going to places like Georgia (the country) and Serbia is the same as Californians moving to Texas.

Booger says

They are already at the point of sending people into combat without weapons and just asking them to pick up a rifle

Ukraine has been releasing prisoners since June to go to war.

At best, Ukraine will be destroyed, and Eastern Ukraine will be part of Russia and Ukraine will not be a landlocked country. That's the MOST they can hope for at this point. Europe will go through energy starvation this winter, how the population reacts to that, and their many migrants react to it, will be the wild card. I expect serious riots to break out in France. They largely avoided World War II, I don't think that population has been pacified.

Booger says

Once Ukraine has F-16's and Abrams Tanks and more HIMARS (like 100), what do you think is going to happen? We are talking about early 2023 here.

Nothing.

It will take months to train troops on it, the MIC builds garbage to make money, not weapons. Anything that is actually useful and works, Russia will soon have in their hands reverse engineering.

Booger says

PeopleUnited says

They feel as if they lost a piece of their country.

Russia is famous for being a shitty place to live, and treating it's people and neighbors poorly. Then they wonder why everyone hates them, and even most Russians want to leave the country.

China is probably worse. But sure, everyone hates Russia. They are kind of like Ted Cruz.

I like Ted Cruz. He's amusing and makes a lot of good points.

Putin is now testing how much the Russians will tolerate; throwing the 300,000 unwilling conscripts along a 1000 kilometer front won’t accomplish much, a few hundred thousand more might be actually useful.
But, it’s proving the lie that the invasion and war is a “special operation”; any doubt about it is now gone.

Putin rolled the dice and lost; he’s rolling again because he knows Russian history.
He’s now thinking about self preservation, not the Russian people who will be worse off for decades.
Men of drafting age are trying to escape Russia, while others are getting passed out drunk before being loaded onto buses to go to military bases and later become cannon fodder.

Russia is incapable of gaining air superiority over Ukraine, so it cannot win.
Putin is able to terrorize Ukraine by sending cruise missiles to hit train stations, shopping malls, etc. but he can’t stop the precision artillery and missiles Ukraine is getting from the West.
Inexpensive drones can drop grenades on the Russians, while more capable drones can shoot missiles at them.

clambo says

Putin rolled the dice and lost; he’s rolling again because he knows Russian history.

If he lost then why does Ukraine keep whining like a bitch?
Russia is in control of every town he rolled through, they have been held and the trek has gotten more difficult. But Ukraine certainly isn't in the position to expel Russia from their country. A few Ukraine cities just had a vote last week, to join Russia. That only happened because Russia is dominating those towns, and the vote would legitimize it.

But to be honest with ourselves, Ukraine didn't jump up and say "The Fuck You ARE!?"

So there's news reports then there's the reality of things. I look for the reality of things, for they are the better Walter Concrite on things.

The special operation is now into the next phase, referendums asking residents if they want to join the Russian Federation. It would seem the Kremlin is getting what they wanted. I’m sure they would agree with this assessment. And they are making sure to defend their victory by calling up reserves fortify their position.

So as an American why should my government or countrymen have anything to do with this regional conflict? It would seem I have nothing to lose by avoiding any involvement at all, and everything to gain by keeping myself and my country neutral in the matter.

If Canada annexed Maine, would Ukraine send us money, weapons and mercenaries to try to take it back? No that is absurd. Just as absurd as us doing it for Ukraine. No the right solution is to negotiate peace with Canada in that hypothetical, and in this real world scenario the right solution is the same. The only involvement the west should have in this regional dispute is to negotiate peace.

https://youtu.be/5xhkfjhPSWs

Hitler is informed Putin announces partial mobilisation and threatens nuclear retaliation

A boy scout in my town has more equipment than a a russian conscript. I'm not even joking.

cisTits says

PeopleUnited says

The special operation is now into the next phase, referendums asking residents if they want to join the Russian Federation

And the moment these referendums pass, Putin will declare these parts to be Russian territory. That means any Uke Nazi troops in there will constitute an attack on Russia proper.

Pop goes the tac-nukes!

Bookmarked in the predictions thread.

RWSGFY says

thats a troop surge, we did same in afghanistan. world is a fucked up place

It's almost the end of winter. Any update on the offensive? Is it habbening right now?

PeopleUnited says

So as an American why should my government or countrymen have anything to do with this regional conflict?

Same reason our government and countrymen were involved with Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Afghanistan, and Pakistan, and probably many more - Americans really don't care, and those that do, they aren't going to do anything about it.

All the government has to say, and HAS said, for 20 years "that if you're not with us, you're with the TERRORISTS, terrorist!!!" and people cower in fear.

If you're upset Antifa and BLM ran riot for 9 months, you're a terrorist. If you think the election was stolen in 2020 and 2022, you're a terrorist. You're a terrorist if you complain about LGBTQ crap in elementary schools. You're a terrorist if you don't think that children should transgender at 5. You're a terrorist if this, and that, and blah blah blah. If you don't get along with whatever, and I mean whatever this criminal, psychopathic deep state does, you're a "terrorist".

That shuts up 90% of people who even recognize there's something wrong. People are pussies.

cisTits says

And the moment these referendums pass, Putin will declare these parts to be Russian territory. That means any Uke Nazi troops in there will constitute an attack on Russia proper.

Crimea has already been bombed.

jykiodfgr says

Right when the EU runs out of energy for life.

"Funds for the 300,000 contract soldiers will be provided by the extra revenue Russia got thanks to western sanctions"

jykiodfgr says

North Korea negotiating to provide 100,000 troops to gain experience in the Ukraines for the upcoming South Korean campaign?

This is gotta be the worst prediction thread about Ukraine war I have seen on Patnet, and it is saying a lot.

Bd6r says

This is gotta be the worst prediction thread about Ukraine war I have seen on Patnet, and it is saying a lot.

War will go on for AT LEAST 4 more years.

There's predictions that it will end this summer, I say BULLSHIT.

War itself might end, but it will end up like North and South Korea, where there's no settlement and constant provocations. I think that's what the US is aiming for, Cold War II.

richwicks says

War itself might end, but it will end up like North and South Korea, where there's no settlement and constant provocations. I think that's what the US is aiming for, Cold War II.

Preferrably with outbursts of expensive HIMARS missile exchanges for maximum costplus contracts.