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Robert Sproul says

Ceffer says

nobody recommends starches, refined wheat flour products, cereals, fast food chips or certain oils like Canola or margarine.

Tufts University 'Food Compass'

All you have to do is invert the graph to know what to eat. What a load of seriously deadly bullshit.

Dholliday126 says

I use Stevia which takes some time to get used to, but once you do, eating sugar seems weird.

I used Stevia too.

If you're using Kal brand, they've recently changed their formulation somehow. It used to be "Pure Stevia" now it's "Sure Stevia".

Stevia is kind of cool in that a tiny bottle, lasts me literally more than a year. It's like $50 for a bottle of the powder, but it lasts forever. Stevia is very similar in flavor to saccharine, but it's (supposedly) healthier. I don't make much use of sweeteners, although I do like Chai and lemonade from time to time. Chai is just strongly brewed tea plus cardamon and ginger - you brew it with cracked cardamon pods and a slice or two of ginger root. I make a hell of a lot of it at once.

Stevia does NOT like dissolving in cold liquids, but it will eventually. I make coffee milk - use instant coffee and throw into 1/2 gallon of milk, plus stevia, then shake, and let it dissolve overnight. I made the mistake of drinking two glasses of the stuff today, and I'm wired off my ass.

Robert Sproul says

Ceffer says

nobody recommends starches, refined wheat flour products, cereals, fast food chips or certain oils like Canola or margarine.

Tufts University 'Food Compass'

HAHA - all the top recommended are junk foods except for kale and watermelon, both of which I hate.

richwicks says

Dholliday126 says

I use Stevia which takes some time to get used to, but once you do, eating sugar seems weird.

I used Stevia too.

If you're using Kal brand, they've recently changed their formulation somehow. It used to be "Pure Stevia" now it's "Sure Stevia".

Stevia is kind of cool in that a tiny bottle, lasts me literally more than a year. It's like $50 for a bottle of the powder, but it lasts forever. Stevia is very similar in flavor to saccharine, but it's (supposedly) healthier. I don't make much use of sweeteners, although I do like Chai and lemonade from time to time. Chai is just strongly brewed tea plus cardamon and ginger - you brew it with cracked cardamon pods and a slice or two of ginger root. I make a hell of a lot of it at once.

Stevia does NOT like dissolving in cold liquids, but it will eventually. I make coffee tea - use instant coffe...

There hasn't been a single non-sugar sweetener (artificial or natural), with the exception of sugar alcohol and monk fruit in moderation, which hasn't felt a bit off in the stomach. I'll stick with real sugar or honey (love honey) 99% of the time. Stevia is not bad though

Anything from Gov or any related groups and universities will be weighted in proportion to donations and lobbying by industrial food corporations. It is one of the reasons that actual nutrition is hard to figure out, a mass of economic propaganda and purposeful marketing persuasion and disinformation. The alternative food guru types also rely on targeted misinformation to sell shit, making the tower of nutritional Babel even worse.

Also, Pharma wants to keep you chronically ill to keep buying its products, so there's that.

mell says

There hasn't been a single non-sugar sweetener (artificial or natural), with the exception of sugar alcohol and monk fruit in moderation, which hasn't felt a bit off in the stomach. I'll stick with real sugar or honey (love honey) 99% of the time. Stevia is not bad though

I just try to avoid drinking calories and I don't drink much anyhow, unless it's in the form of some sort of beer. Do goddamned love beer. I wish there was a decent beer made, that had the alcohol removed, instead of it just being under-brewed. Seems like they could do it through a vacuum distillation process. There's a few sodas that are decent, THEY are brewed. You can't beat the complexity of a brewed product.

richwicks says

mell says

There hasn't been a single non-sugar sweetener (artificial or natural), with the exception of sugar alcohol and monk fruit in moderation, which hasn't felt a bit off in the stomach. I'll stick with real sugar or honey (love honey) 99% of the time. Stevia is not bad though

I just try to avoid drinking calories and I don't drink much anyhow, unless it's in the form of some sort of beer. Do goddamned love beer. I wish there was a decent beer made, that had the alcohol removed, instead of it just being under-brewed. Seems like they could do it through a vacuum distillation process. There's a few sodas that are decent, THEY are brewed. You can't beat the complexity of a brewed product.

I drink wine almost every night, 1-2 classes. Wine country makes some of the best wines of the world. I'd rather avoid sodas than wine, beer and the occasional hard liquor/cocktail

Lately I've discovered that Trader Joe's has a decent brandy for $10, looks like this:



It's really a bargain. You might get 20 shots out of it, so 50 cents each.

I'm no expert on brandy though. My only test is "Does it make me cringe?" This one does not.

Is it guaranteed to reverse the effects of spike protein?

Patrick says

I recently heard one good rule for deciding what to eat: if it has to be advertised, you probably shouldn't eat it.

Hey, good meme material there, so here I go:

Patrick says

Lately I've discovered that Trader Joe's has a decent brandy for $10, looks like this:



It's really a bargain. You might get 20 shots out of it, so 50 cents each.

I'm no expert on brandy though. My only test is "Does it make me cringe?" This one does not.

If you just want cheap alcohol, one thing I'd recommend is Popov vodka in a glass bottle - it's basically diluted everclear. Absolutely do not buy this in a plastic bottle.

It's essentially tasteless, and if you want to make some sort of infusion, it works well. I made ginger vodka. About a cup of (finely) chopped up ginger (packed into a measuring cup), mix with the vodka and let it sit for 4-6 days maybe give a shake here and there, remove the ginger. I'm going to play with rosemary next. I have a giant pyrex measuring cup, I just dump it into that, rise the bottle, and filter it back in. It's said you should peel the ginger, but, engh - I just used a vegetable brush to remove any dirt.

It's super cheap, under $7, basically has no flavor, at least not an offensive one, and it works well with mixed drinks. I would not recommend any vodka straight.

BTW - vanilla extract is nothing more than vanilla beans soaked in vodka. Ever had real vanilla? Probably not, since as children I bet ALL of us made vanilla extract in science class. Made banana too. Vanilla extract is made by taking dried beans, packing them into a small container, and adding just enough vodka to cover them. You end up with a deep dark brown liquid. Been a long time since I've made that, but I think I didn't remove the beans for like 2 weeks at least. Anything you use it in, the alcohol will boil off, unless you're mixing it with something that is going to be cold like ice cream, which has been 30 years since I've made.

Probably people ought to follow published recipes when I think about it: https://www.beanilla.com/blog/homemade-vanilla-extract since there's an army to criticize mistakes.

Robert Sproul says

Ceffer says

nobody recommends starches, refined wheat flour products, cereals, fast food chips or certain oils like Canola or margarine.

Tufts University 'Food Compass'

>honey nut cheerios(literally sugar on carbs)
76
>Ground beef(protein and healty fats)
23

Excuse me whaaaaaat

https://joshketry.substack.com/p/seed-oils-are-slowly-poisoning-us

Seed Oils are Slowly Poisoning Us & Our Children.
...and they are in EVERYTHING.

Not sure I agree with it all, but I remain very suspicious of all the new oils, especially rapeseed oil, aka "canola oil".

Patrick says

https://joshketry.substack.com/p/seed-oils-are-slowly-poisoning-us

Seed Oils are Slowly Poisoning Us & Our Children.
...and they are in EVERYTHING.

Not sure I agree with it all, but I remain very suspicious of all the new oils, especially rapeseed oil, aka "canola oil".

I don't buy most of it. Especially omega 6 is not bad for you, I consider walnuts one of the healtiest foods to eat and they are high in omega 6. To me this is mostly bs. Sure refined oils in high amounts are probably a bad idea. I'm also no fan of soybean and canola oil. But linking then to literally any disease is junk. So is promoting a carnivore only diet. I eat a lot of meat and love it, but there is bs on both sides. A meat only diet is not what I would recommend. To each their own.

mell says

A meat only diet is not what I would recommend. To each their own.

I go by the hypothesis that our ancestors fit their environment in order to survive in it, and we wouldn't exist, if they were killed by their environment. It was a tremendous advantage to have grandparents help raise children 1000 years ago.

For "my people", refined sugar didn't exist, beer did, but not refined alcohol. They got meat, on occasion, but often ate boiled vegetables. They had plenty of access to milk and eggs, but cheese not so much. Spices were a rarity. Salt wasn't too easy to get, but it was around, and they physically worked a lot.

Certain oils just didn't exist. Butter did, but not vegetable oil. Olive oil was a rarity and probably a treat. Lard was around, so was beef fat.

I'm Irish and Polish, I'd rather be dead than exist on their diet though. Polish food is bland, Irish food isn't so bad, but some of it is pretty disgusting for my palette. I'm never going to eat blood pudding. A lot of my ancestor's food, I consider suitable for dogs, but not for me. Guess I've become an elitist twat that my ancestors would want to spit on. That's fine, I respect them anyhow.

richwicks says

mell says

A meat only diet is not what I would recommend. To each their own.

I go by the hypothesis that our ancestors fit their environment in order to survive in it, and we wouldn't exist, if they were killed by their environment. It was a tremendous advantage to have grandparents help raise children 1000 years ago.

For "my people", refined sugar didn't exist, beer did, but not refined alcohol. They got meat, on occasion, but often ate boiled vegetables. They had plenty of access to milk and eggs, but cheese not so much. Spices were a rarity. Salt wasn't too easy to get, but it was around, and they physically worked a lot.

Certain oils just didn't exist. Butter did, but not vegetable oil. Olive oil was a rarity and probably a treat. Lard was around, so was beef fat.

I'm Irish and Polish, I'd rather be dead than exist on their diet though. Polish f...

I consider a boiled potato with skin, given it's not laced with pesticides (preferably organic origin), a perfectly healthy food (similarly carrots/yams). Superfood so to say. Gentle on the stomach and gives you almost all the nutrients you need, readily and easily to absorb, high in potassium. That's why I think potato chips aren't necessarily bad for you, in moderation. Not as good as the real potato deal though of course.

mell says

I consider a boiled potato with skin, given it's not laced with pesticides (preferably organic origin), a perfectly healthy food (similarly carrots/yams). Superfood so to say. Gentle on the stomach and gives you almost all the nutrients you need, readily and easily to absorb, high in potassium. That's why I think potato chips aren't necessarily bad for you, in moderation. Not as good as the real potato deal though of course.

I do enjoy baked potatoes. I can eat them with just salt and pepper on them, nothing else.

Potato chips though.. Umm, that's deep fried in some shit. When I want that I tend to cut up a potato or two into slices, dump them into water to soak over night, and then fry them in a pan of usually butter or ghee (ghee is just clarified butter - it's easy to buy here) to fry fry them up.

I'm becoming aware of deep fried anything at my age. I'm very aware of the oil. I'll do it sometimes, but rarely. My body tells me its bad for me. I cannot explain it, but eating deep fried anything my brain is saying "noooooooooo!" and really, I can taste all the oil, and it's too much. There a lot of foods I enjoyed as a kid that I now find disgusting now.

mell says

A meat only diet is not what I would recommend.

There are people who do it, but they eat head-to-toe. If you're going to do vegetarian or carnivore, either way the key is variety.

mell says

I consider a boiled potato with skin, given it's not laced with pesticides (preferably organic origin), a perfectly healthy food (similarly carrots/yams). Superfood so to say. Gentle on the stomach and gives you almost all the nutrients you need, readily and easily to absorb, high in potassium. That's why I think potato chips aren't necessarily bad for you, in moderation. Not as good as the real potato deal though of course.

The less cooked, the better. High heat is really the issue with chips. With baked, it's the soft starch/glucose increase.

mell says

Especially omega 6 is not bad for you, I consider walnuts one of the healtiest foods to eat and they are high in omega 6.

It's the way you get it that's the problem. Those oils are made using a process that separates things intended to remain together. With a walnut you get the Omega6 in it's natural intended state. Same way complex sugars(honey, fruits) are great for you, but when they're separated(added sugar), they're not.

NuttBoxer says

Dholliday126 says

I think this is is best. Based on Dr. Gundry(comes off as a quack), but it really cleared up some inflammation issues. Instead of sugar, I use Stevia which takes some time to get used to, but once you do, eating sugar seems weird.

He gets a lot right, but there's a bunch of good food on his Don't Eat list. That's my biggest problem with any of these people. If you become too restrictive, you have to really embrace variety in other places, or you end up malnourished.

A big miss on that graphic, nuts need to be raw, and refrigerated after opening. Otherwise the oils become rancid.

Honey is a complex sugar, one of the best things you can eat, especially for seasonal allergies. Yogurt has naturally occurring pro-biotics, and consumption through food is always better absorbed than through pills. Quinoa is a complete protein, Basmati rice is...

Gundry is very wrong on lectins imo. Lectins slow down digestion and aid weight loss. Many are studied now for their cancer inhibiting properties. Sure if you're sensitive to something, cut it out if you need to. Otherwise you'd miss out on all the good things about eating the whole nuts/fruits/legumes. Agree with Gundry on pistachios likely being the healthiest nut, maybe on par with walnut. That being said, pretty much all nuts are great.

I have a rule while traveling:

Don't eat food with a SYSCO Barcode. This would be all your chain restaurants like Olive Garden, BJ's, Red Robin, et al. Fast food only if you're really in a hurry (or craving, I guess.)

Look for one-offs with Yelp or Trip Advisor.

rocketjoe79 says

I have a rule while traveling:

Don't eat food with a SYSCO Barcode. This would be all your chain restaurants like Olive Garden, BJ's, Red Robin, et al. Fast food only if you're really in a hurry (or craving, I guess.)

Look for one-offs with Yelp or Trip Advisor.

I can't be that consequent ;) kudos

https://barsoom.substack.com/p/depopulocalypse

I find it darkly amusing that our overlords are so dead set on eliminating tobacco, which can slightly reduce birth weight doncha know, while force-feeding the plebs toxic seed oils that are almost certainly a primary reason for the obesity crisis. Seed oils, more often referred to as ‘vegetable’ oils, appear to systematically slow down metabolic function, meaning people who get a large fraction of their calories from these sources are burning less energy than they should be at a baseline level when they’re just sitting there doing nothing. The connection between metabolic slowing and the spike in obesity over recent decades should be obvious – sedentary lifestyles are doubtless a factor, but we aren’t that much physically lazier than we were in, say, the 50s. No one went to the gym back then, yet no one was fat. Odd, no?

I think McD's used to fry their fries in the grill grease, which is meat fat. Until the 90s, when they switched to vegetable oil.

If you can't make the oil by pressing it, don't use it.

Brave search synopsis:

Canola oil is made by slightly heating and crushing canola seeds at a processing facility. The seeds are then flaked to release the oil. Almost all commercial canola oil is extracted using hexane solvent, which is recovered at the end of processing. The extracted oil is refined using water precipitation and organic acid to remove gums and free fatty acids, filtering to remove color, and deodorizing using steam distillation.

Hexane is pretty poisonous. I wonder how much is left in the food.

Exposure to n-hexane can cause neurotoxicity, leading to symptoms such as vertigo, giddiness, and drowsiness. Longer-term exposures can lead to peripheral neuropathy, with symmetrical paraesthesia and weakness, particularly in the lower extremities.

Ah, rapeseed oil (branded Canola) itself is toxic:

Historically, it was restricted as a food oil due to its content of erucic acid, which in laboratory studies was shown to be damaging to the cardiac muscle of laboratory animals in high quantities and which imparts a bitter taste, and glucosinolates, which made it less nutritious in animal feed.[1][2] Rapeseed oil from standard cultivars can contain up to 54% erucic acid.[3]

Canola oil is a food-grade version developed in Canada (hence the name, see below) derived from rapeseed cultivars specifically bred for low erucic acid content. Also known as low erucic acid rapeseed (LEAR) oil, it has been generally recognized as safe by the United States Food and Drug Administration.[4] Canola oil is limited by government regulation to a maximum of 2% erucic acid by weight in the US[4] and the EU,[5] with special regulations for infant food. These low levels of erucic acid do not cause harm in humans.[4][6]

Just keep saying "It's safe and effective, safe and effective, safe and effective..."

I'm not a scientist like some of you guys. As a matter of fact, i just have a HS edumacation. But i was pondering why is it that fried food is so much crispier than other type of preparations. And I started thinking it was because OILS and Fats are just a vehicle to constantly deliver 370 degree heat to 100% of the foods surface. Water can only deliver 212 degrees at sea level. Air can deliver 370 degree heat but air is a poor delivery vehicle for holding heat so it can drop instantly just by opening the oven door. Which is why air friers work better than ovens because they are a small enclosed area heated by a large heat source.
if there was another type of liquid that could be heated to 370 degrees, it would probably make food crispy also.
Am i fucked up?

Patrick says

Brave search synopsis:

Canola oil is made by slightly heating and crushing canola seeds at a processing facility. The seeds are then flaked to release the oil. Almost all commercial canola oil is extracted using hexane solvent, which is recovered at the end of processing. The extracted oil is refined using water precipitation and organic acid to remove gums and free fatty acids, filtering to remove color, and deodorizing using steam distillation.

(some text omitted to shorten quote...) ntent. Also known as low erucic acid rapeseed (LEAR) oil, it has been generally recognized as safe by the United States Food and Drug Administration.[4] Canola oil is limited by government regulation to a maximum of 2% erucic acid by weight in the US[4] and the EU,[5] with special regulations for infant food. These low levels of erucic acid do not cause harm in humans.[4][6]

Just keep saying "It's safe and effective, safe and effective, safe and effective..."

They say you ingest more hexane daily via industrial/car fumes etc., but it seems like a no-go to start with if an oil needs this process just to keep longer, why expose yourself.

gabbar says

Have been doing a bit of research and it doesn't seem to be clear cut. I side with cooking with Olive Oil, Avocado Oil, and Coconut oil mostly, but I am not worried about ingesting seed oils via processed food that was cooked/fried with them. I do think soybean oil should be avoided, as it's usually heavily preprocessed, unstable and easily oxidized (plus not good for men in excess). Linoleic acid is controversial, but research is not conclusive, similar to PUFAs etc.

komputodo says

I'm not a scientist like some of you guys. As a matter of fact, i just have a HS edumacation.

You're probably smarter than all of us for that reason alone.

komputodo says

if there was another type of liquid that could be heated to 370 degrees, it would probably make food crispy also.
Am i fucked up?

I think you're right.

You know what you could do? You could fry a small piece of meat in different oils. Safflower has a smoke point of 510F, and olive oil is only 375F. That was the widest range in temperatures I could find.

mell says

but I am not worried about ingesting seed oils via processed food that was cooked/fried with them.

If you're ok with eating processed food, why would you care what oil its in?

We now have to avoid most desserts as well, as even organic ones tend to have sunflower lecithin. Maybe that one is ok, haven't looked into it. Interesting that Costco carries a brand of bacon without sugar, but read the ingredients, and they add sunflower oil, to BACON. Almost as if the food industry is trying to trick us into poisoning ourselves...

NuttBoxer says

Interesting that Costco carries a brand of bacon without sugar

have you noticed that there a lots of bacon that isn't even from the belly of the hog? substituting cuts that are more plentiful and cheaper. Kinda like "boneless" chicken wings.

NuttBoxer says

mell says

but I am not worried about ingesting seed oils via processed food that was cooked/fried with them.

If you're ok with eating processed food, why would you care what oil its in?

We now have to avoid most desserts as well, as even organic ones tend to have sunflower lecithin. Maybe that one is ok, haven't looked into it. Interesting that Costco carries a brand of bacon without sugar, but read the ingredients, and they add sunflower oil, to BACON. Almost as if the food industry is trying to trick us into poisoning ourselves...

Agreed, processed foods by themselves are a less healthy choice than fresh/raw foods, so the oils used are secondary. They use whatever is cheapest, bo deliberate attempt to poison. But there is also a lot of bs peddled on both sides. Palm oil has gotten a really bad rep, but mostly because of sustainability/esg bullshit, but if not adulterated it's actually quite healthy. Sunflower/Safflower is not that bad either from my initial research. I think canola and esp. soybean are to avoid, grapeseed oil likely as well. Sesame oil should be good to consume, just imo. Of course you need to keep in mind the use cases, smoke point if you're cooking etc.

I don't know that any of those oils we're avoiding leave us deficient in health in any way, and they might be inflaming our systems, so avoiding them doesn't have any downside. And with the high level of inflammatory disease in this country, for a while, it's gotta be coming from somewhere.

We do occasionally use Sesame and Peanut for Asian flavored dishes. Don't know that I've noticed an ill affects.

mell says

but if not adulterated it's actually quite healthy.

kinda like cheap grocery store olive oil? if not adulterated it's actually quite healthy.

komputodo says

mell says

but if not adulterated it's actually quite healthy.

kinda like cheap grocery store olive oil? if not adulterated it's actually quite healthy.

Probably, at the end of the day you have to trust your sources. But I doubt it's all extremely unhealthy in moderation. Every MD has their own diet to promote $$ and culprits. You can avoid most of those pitfalls if you're worried by avoiding processed foods, and eat mostly raw/cold food in general. I'm not doing this, but I probably eat more cold food than most, may have started out as laziness. But there are people who swear by it, saying it gave them great health into old age, not to prepare meals unless absolutely necessary. Eat raw as long as your stomach is up for it.

Avoid hash oil.

clambo says

Avoid hash oil.

unless you want to get stoned

Also, Nuts are highly recommended in moderation. You're getting a bit of oil, but not enough to worry about.
I started getting high triglycerides a few years back, and started taking fish oil pills. They didn't do a thing for me until I saw my flight surgeon. He asked my dose and I said 1000mg per day. He said it's 4k per day! Since then, my tri's have dropped 50%. If I go off, they go back up.

I think this is pretty close to Mom feeding you Cod liver oil back in the day. Little sardines on a cracker (Chicken of the Sea ) are still a favorite of mine.

rocketjoe79 says

Also, Nuts are highly recommended in moderation. You're getting a bit of oil, but not enough to worry about.
I started getting high triglycerides a few years back, and started taking fish oil pills. They didn't do a thing for me until I saw my flight surgeon. He asked my dose and I said 1000mg per day. He said it's 4k per day! Since then, my tri's have dropped 50%. If I go off, they go back up.

I think this is pretty close to Mom feeding you Cod liver oil back in the day. Little sardines on a cracker (Chicken of the Sea ) are still a favorite of mine.

Out of curiosity, what did you/they consider high levels of triglycerides?