Trump to be indicted on Fed Charges as early as this week
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AmericanKulak
2023 Jun 7, 7:03pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Jun 7, 7:03pm
A longtime Trump ally Steve Bannon said on his podcast that he thinks the DOJ is headed for an indictment of Trump. He cited a report from John Solomon’s Just The News, as well as a lengthy article by the U.K.-based news outlet The Independent. A Washington grand jury could vote to indict Trump as soon as June 8 for violations of The Espionage Act, The Independent said, citing unnamed sources.
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richwicks
2023 Jun 7, 8:34pm
richwicks
2023 Jun 7, 8:34pm
All they are doing is making a martyr out of him. They must know this and you should be concerned about that.
I can't tell if these people are fucking stupid, or if they are clever, and the general public is stupid. Time will tell.
I can't tell if these people are fucking stupid, or if they are clever, and the general public is stupid. Time will tell.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Jun 7, 9:13pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Jun 7, 9:13pm
They aren't omnipotent and eventually these habitual line crossers will go a bridge too far.
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RayAmerica
2023 Jun 8, 6:40am
RayAmerica
2023 Jun 8, 6:40am
While America remains in a very precarious state, there are real signs that the worm is beginning to turn.
The elites plan to stop Trump appears to be backfiring; the more Trump is harassed by the rigged system, the higher he rises in the polls.
The American people have reawakened, as evidenced by the incredible numbers of people (as of now, just shy of 103 MILLION), that have watched the anti-establishment Tucker Carlson's first Twitter show. Try to imagine any liberal on the entire planet getting even a tenth of that.
Hoards of people are becoming increasingly aware that the pandemic was used as an excuse to push the killer 'vaccines.'
Practically everyone I talk to, including Democrats, recognize that the 2020 election was stolen, also reflected in the polls.
RFK Jr., anti-war, close the borders, supporter of the 2nd. Amendment, leader against Big Pharma and their dangerous 'vaccines,' and, with a record to prove it, continues to rise in the polls against a sitting same party President.
Serious backlash is also being seen on the support for Ukraine. Americans are waking up to the fact that our own borders are being invaded, and our government is doing nothing to stop it.
In short, the American people are fed up, as they should be, and that is a very good sign.
The elites plan to stop Trump appears to be backfiring; the more Trump is harassed by the rigged system, the higher he rises in the polls.
The American people have reawakened, as evidenced by the incredible numbers of people (as of now, just shy of 103 MILLION), that have watched the anti-establishment Tucker Carlson's first Twitter show. Try to imagine any liberal on the entire planet getting even a tenth of that.
Hoards of people are becoming increasingly aware that the pandemic was used as an excuse to push the killer 'vaccines.'
Practically everyone I talk to, including Democrats, recognize that the 2020 election was stolen, also reflected in the polls.
RFK Jr., anti-war, close the borders, supporter of the 2nd. Amendment, leader against Big Pharma and their dangerous 'vaccines,' and, with a record to prove it, continues to rise in the polls against a sitting same party President.
Serious backlash is also being seen on the support for Ukraine. Americans are waking up to the fact that our own borders are being invaded, and our government is doing nothing to stop it.
In short, the American people are fed up, as they should be, and that is a very good sign.
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seesaw
2023 Jun 8, 9:20am
seesaw
2023 Jun 8, 9:20am
Fo$$ow the money... so how is making lots of $$$... Google... Facebook... et.al...
Learn how to avoid ads in the internet that are sponsored by them.
We know what we want, and we dont need any Ad Clicks to Generate $$ for Big Tech... and Big Tech is funding this crap.
If their is no $$ then these whack jobs cant pay people to misinform the Sheeple.
After you fix that, then go after A.I.
A.I. can do it for only the cost of electricity..( if their now doing it allready).
Learn how to avoid ads in the internet that are sponsored by them.
We know what we want, and we dont need any Ad Clicks to Generate $$ for Big Tech... and Big Tech is funding this crap.
If their is no $$ then these whack jobs cant pay people to misinform the Sheeple.
After you fix that, then go after A.I.
A.I. can do it for only the cost of electricity..( if their now doing it allready).
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Karloff
2023 Jun 8, 10:07am
Karloff
2023 Jun 8, 10:07am
richwicks says
These people are arrogant and stupid. Look at the overcharging of that Rhoades guy in J6 sham trials. They think they're "sending a message", but people will understand the real message is not "don't mess with us", and is instead "next time don't bother with words or requests, just go all the way because they've made it clear that this is war".
All they are doing is making a martyr out of him. They must know this and you should be concerned about that.
I can't tell if these people are fucking stupid, or if they are clever, and the general public is stupid. Time will tell.
These people are arrogant and stupid. Look at the overcharging of that Rhoades guy in J6 sham trials. They think they're "sending a message", but people will understand the real message is not "don't mess with us", and is instead "next time don't bother with words or requests, just go all the way because they've made it clear that this is war".
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HeadSet
2023 Jun 8, 2:00pm
HeadSet
2023 Jun 8, 2:00pm
Karloff says
I dunno. Common people do not want to take such warlike steps, and they know they will be jailed for protesting.
They think they're "sending a message", but people will understand the real message is not "don't mess with us", and is instead "next time don't bother with words or requests, just go all the way because they've made it clear that this is war".
I dunno. Common people do not want to take such warlike steps, and they know they will be jailed for protesting.
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richwicks
2023 Jun 8, 2:28pm
richwicks
2023 Jun 8, 2:28pm
Karloff says
What I mean by what I said, is that I'm not at all convinced Trump is "on our side". I've had long conversations with people where although we both agreed that Trump was certainly better than Hillary Clinton, neither of us were convinced that Trump wasn't being setup to be a legitimate dictator.
He's the "solution" being offered to us. They create a problem, they offer a solution, and people grab onto that solution, although it's controlled opposition.
Even I am feeling that we'd be better off with a dictator at this point. Even I wouldn't mind seeing the US military directly intervene in domestic affairs at this point - and I'm WELL aware of the dangers of this. I'm well aware of how propaganda and social control is implemented and I'm still a victim to it. Knowledge is no defense.
Be very careful in underestimating your enemy. Don't just think "oh, these people are STUPID" - why do you think that? We don't know what they are attempting to do. MAYBE they are trying to set us up to literally be the 4th Reich. We're kind of there in a lot of ways anyhow.
richwicks says
All they are doing is making a martyr out of him. They must know this and you should be concerned about that.
I can't tell if these people are fucking stupid, or if they are clever, and the general public is stupid. Time will tell.
These people are arrogant and stupid. Look at the overcharging of that Rhoades guy in J6 sham trials. They think they're "sending a message", but people will understand the real message is not "don't mess with us", and is instead "next time don't bother with words or requests, just go all the way because they've made it clear that this is war".
What I mean by what I said, is that I'm not at all convinced Trump is "on our side". I've had long conversations with people where although we both agreed that Trump was certainly better than Hillary Clinton, neither of us were convinced that Trump wasn't being setup to be a legitimate dictator.
He's the "solution" being offered to us. They create a problem, they offer a solution, and people grab onto that solution, although it's controlled opposition.
Even I am feeling that we'd be better off with a dictator at this point. Even I wouldn't mind seeing the US military directly intervene in domestic affairs at this point - and I'm WELL aware of the dangers of this. I'm well aware of how propaganda and social control is implemented and I'm still a victim to it. Knowledge is no defense.
Be very careful in underestimating your enemy. Don't just think "oh, these people are STUPID" - why do you think that? We don't know what they are attempting to do. MAYBE they are trying to set us up to literally be the 4th Reich. We're kind of there in a lot of ways anyhow.
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Patrick
2023 Jun 8, 5:29pm
Patrick
2023 Jun 8, 5:29pm
https://euphoricrecall.substack.com/p/reflecting-on-trumps-rise
This man isn’t the sort of candidate you’d vote for lightly. Trump’s voters meant it. It’s hard to see his support as anything less than a gesture of supreme repudiation, the political assertion of an insurgent and highly mobilized public reacting to a stifling left-wing orthodoxy intent on either erasing or replacing everything from merit and our shared sense of history to free speech and biological dimorphism, essentially rebuilding Western thought from first principles while racializing everything. In the face of such idiocy, many Americans rightly balked. “Make America Great Again” was just as much about nostalgia and stopping the Left from bulldozing the country as it was a call to sweep away the ruling order. ...
I don’t think 2016 should have been as shocking as it was made out to be. In many ways it was unexceptional; the U.S. was following in the footsteps of other countries during the same time period. The populist movement driven by white working and middle classes in America joined its counterpart in Great Britain, with the Brexit vote; Marine Le Pen’s Front National, in France; and the Alternative für Deutschland party, which threatened Angela Merkel’s centrist coalition in Germany. One way or another, they all represented a reaction against globalism and elite rule. (Note by Patrick - against The Empire) ...
For starters, it certainly helped that the Clinton campaign was entirely comprised of educationalist elites who had no idea how to talk to the wider American public, and who had no desire to make any overtures to the white working class. These hyper-educated morons believed big data was more important than public opinion and common sense. An algorithm nicknamed “Ada” was said to play a role in virtually every strategic decision Clinton aides made. Clearly, this computer algorithm, which “the campaign was prepared to publicly unveil after the election as its invisible guiding hand,” was a proxy for the public as the elites wished it to be rather than the grotesque, unclean masses. ...
Somewhat luckily, he stepped right into an institutional vacuum, using Twitter to bypass the traditional gatekeepers of information and communicate directly with the public. Ever media savvy, the Bad Orange Man w/ Mean Tweets knew that as “a peacock among the dull buzzards of American politics,” he could elevate himself above opponents. At one point in The Art of the Deal, Trump states:
One thing I’ve learned about the press is that they’re always hungry for a good story, and the more sensational the better . . . The point is that if you are a little different, or a little outrageous, or if you do things that are bold or controversial, the press is going to write about you.
Trump remains a master manipulator of sensationalist air time. Despite his campaign spending far less money on advertising than Clinton or his Republican opponents, he received far more media coverage. There’s no doubt that this will be the case again in ‘24. On May 25, MSNBC and CNN mentioned Trump 399 times between 6:00 AM - 4:00 PM. ...
Reflecting on the reaction to Trump’s win is instructive, if only because it underscores how forces on the Left turned morality-injected mainstream media coverage into an exercise in doctrinal enforcement. When Trump won in 2016, they insisted that he had subverted the election with Russian help. When he lost in 2020, the electoral process miraculously regained its vestal purity. But if he wins in 2024, we can expect his victory to be once again attributed to any number of malevolent forces Extremely Dangerous to Our Democracy™, and for the ruling class to withdraw into another defensive crouch...
The flurry of media content on this subject matter is easy to explain. If fake news had tricked the ignorant masses into electing Trump, and if shadowy Russians were behind this deluge of fake news, then the mainstream press and ruling class were in effect absolved from doing any soul-searching or critical thinking. ...
The elites and their Democratic handmaidens were obsessed with cancelling the 2016 election results, and, much like today, desperately wanted the pre-Trump status quo back. They were willing to sacrifice their own standards to try and make it happen, abandoning any pretense of serving the entire country. ...
Needless to say, this does not portend well. For those who convince themselves that they’re not up against normal political opponents but Literal Fascism™ led by Hitler 2.0 — which it’s no exaggeration to say is a core tenet of contemporary Democratic party politics — then it is not only expected but even rational to embrace authoritarian tactics to stave off this existential threat. Political parties that don’t believe they can win the old-fashioned way will seek to criminalize their adversaries, as criminality renders justifiable any subsequent acts of repression.
And if that doesn't work? Use your imagination. “Democracy is on the ballot” = It’s okay to cheat because the ends justify the means. This includes the “pre-cheating” that the Left boasts about as “election fortification,” i.e. changing the rules in advance in ways that favor Democrats and hurt Republicans, especially in swing states. But these people who’re absolutely convinced that Trump presents an unprecedented Danger to the Republic™—you know as well as I do that they wouldn’t have a problem looking the other way as a few boxes of ballots fell off some trucks near vote-counting headquarters. Americans would never know the difference. It’d be a repeat of 2020: On election night it’ll look like Trump has won, and then overnight the close states will tip to Biden as all the mail-in ballots are “counted.” ...
And we haven’t even mentioned the FBI, which for all intents and purposes has become a rogue agency whose fidelity extends only to the port side of the political spectrum. The Bureau has interfered in the last two elections in very serious, consequential ways. You think they won’t meddle in the 2024 election if Trump is the Republican nominee? That they’ve been properly chastened by the Durham report and will no longer operate as if their counterintelligence remit extends to “election integrity”? That they won’t subvert democracy to “save” it?
It truly should not matter whether you’re a Democrat or a Republican: What we know about the extent to which the FBI has interfered in the previous two elections should be concerning, to put it mildly. This kind of stuff really is extremely dangerous to democracy. But the point I’m trying to make is that if you don’t believe that powerful figures might intervene to stop Trump from becoming president again, you’re high.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Jun 8, 6:26pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Jun 8, 6:26pm
DOJ has informed Trump attorneys that charges will be levied on Tuesday
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AmericanKulak
2023 Jun 8, 6:29pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Jun 8, 6:29pm
The timing is perfect for the Burisma Scandal. It's now known that the Big Guy himself got $5M.
Why is this a big deal?
Vice Presidents sit around and go to state funerals or overseas meetings when the President doesn't want to be arsed to go. Once in a very blue moon they cast a deciding vote in the Senate. Other than that, the have no power.
So why is Biden being Protected?
It's not Biden being protected from shit he did in his Vice President or out of office days. Anything done had to have somebody else's approval.
It's to protect...
(FILL IN THE BLANK)
Why is this a big deal?
Vice Presidents sit around and go to state funerals or overseas meetings when the President doesn't want to be arsed to go. Once in a very blue moon they cast a deciding vote in the Senate. Other than that, the have no power.
So why is Biden being Protected?
It's not Biden being protected from shit he did in his Vice President or out of office days. Anything done had to have somebody else's approval.
It's to protect...
(FILL IN THE BLANK)
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AmericanKulak
2023 Jun 8, 6:35pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Jun 8, 6:35pm
richwicks says
But don't let them act like they're unassailable or unable to make mistakes, either.
Being from Upper Class/Upper Middle Class life and living is a weakness all of it's own.
In Not So Olden Times, even the future King of Britain was put in schools deliberately to toughen them up with hazing, sport, and rigorous academics, plus a stint in the military even if they were kept out of high risk situations. Charles slept in a bed near a leaky window, had the shit punched out of him by peers who didn't want him to complain to staff lest they all be punished, and was run around like a chicken with his head cut off. And yet he was still forced to learn how to use the exact Latin case in a sentence.
Whether it's Laura Jarret (the MSNBC Senior Legal "analyst" who just happens to be daughter of Obama Crony...), Valerie Jarrett, Alexander Soros, etc. they've never had to sleep in a soaked bed out of fear of a soap party.
The HuffPo/Fartbook/Alphabet people don't know any hardship worse than Sushi Wah being closed early or the pre-Musk Twitter Cafeteria running out of Acai Berry Drink. And frankly, many of the officer class in the military and most Mid-Senior Admin people.
Be very careful in underestimating your enemy. Don't just think "oh, these people are STUPID" - why do you think that? We don't know what they are attempting to do. MAYBE they are trying to set us up to literally be the 4th Reich. We're kind of there in a lot of ways anyhow.
But don't let them act like they're unassailable or unable to make mistakes, either.
Being from Upper Class/Upper Middle Class life and living is a weakness all of it's own.
In Not So Olden Times, even the future King of Britain was put in schools deliberately to toughen them up with hazing, sport, and rigorous academics, plus a stint in the military even if they were kept out of high risk situations. Charles slept in a bed near a leaky window, had the shit punched out of him by peers who didn't want him to complain to staff lest they all be punished, and was run around like a chicken with his head cut off. And yet he was still forced to learn how to use the exact Latin case in a sentence.
Whether it's Laura Jarret (the MSNBC Senior Legal "analyst" who just happens to be daughter of Obama Crony...), Valerie Jarrett, Alexander Soros, etc. they've never had to sleep in a soaked bed out of fear of a soap party.
The HuffPo/Fartbook/Alphabet people don't know any hardship worse than Sushi Wah being closed early or the pre-Musk Twitter Cafeteria running out of Acai Berry Drink. And frankly, many of the officer class in the military and most Mid-Senior Admin people.
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richwicks
2023 Jun 8, 6:47pm
richwicks
2023 Jun 8, 6:47pm
AmericanKulak says
These people are just cutouts. THEY aren't smart or intelligent at all. They're nobodies, they're servants.
Those people I don't worry about, and the whole point of the Internet was to show them they really were powerless and pointless. Why do we have "news" anchors telling us what the policies of the administration is? Why doesn't the administration just talk directly to people, and allow FEEDBACK for people?
Because, in most cases, they are simply cutouts.
If you go to the WhiteHouse page on YouTube, you'll notice comments are disabled. You know why? Nobody likes the asshole. Nobody. They don't allow feedback except when it's curated and controlled and generally it's not the public providing the feedback, it's a PR firm. "News" is PR. It's not information.
We're deceived about everything, if we weren't, we'd overthrow the system in short order. You have to give them SOME credit, they've fooled 90% of the population and that 10%, they just know they're lied to in certain areas, they have some idea what is going on, they DO hit one another occasionally, but very few of them have a complete overview. Those are the dangerous people, and you can spot them, they are the ones that are mercilessly hounded off from platforms.
Want to know, at least in part, what ACTUALLY happened in WWII? Listen to David Irving. The only people worth listening to are banned, and not all banned people are worth listening to either. Alex Jones is banned, he's worthless.
The HuffPo/Fartbook/Alphabet people don't know any hardship worse than Sushi Wah being closed early or the Cafeteria running out of Acai Berry Drink. And frankly, many of the officer class in the military and most Mid-Senior Admin people.
These people are just cutouts. THEY aren't smart or intelligent at all. They're nobodies, they're servants.
Those people I don't worry about, and the whole point of the Internet was to show them they really were powerless and pointless. Why do we have "news" anchors telling us what the policies of the administration is? Why doesn't the administration just talk directly to people, and allow FEEDBACK for people?
Because, in most cases, they are simply cutouts.
If you go to the WhiteHouse page on YouTube, you'll notice comments are disabled. You know why? Nobody likes the asshole. Nobody. They don't allow feedback except when it's curated and controlled and generally it's not the public providing the feedback, it's a PR firm. "News" is PR. It's not information.
We're deceived about everything, if we weren't, we'd overthrow the system in short order. You have to give them SOME credit, they've fooled 90% of the population and that 10%, they just know they're lied to in certain areas, they have some idea what is going on, they DO hit one another occasionally, but very few of them have a complete overview. Those are the dangerous people, and you can spot them, they are the ones that are mercilessly hounded off from platforms.
Want to know, at least in part, what ACTUALLY happened in WWII? Listen to David Irving. The only people worth listening to are banned, and not all banned people are worth listening to either. Alex Jones is banned, he's worthless.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Jun 8, 6:55pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Jun 8, 6:55pm
richwicks says
No thanks, hahaha. I know his schtick.
Back in the 70s, he supported the EU and said Der Juden were against the EU since Jews were suspicious of a "Master Race" arising from a united Europe. Decades later, "Corbyn is a very fine man" in reaction to his anti-Israel stances. He was anti-semitic long before he began his "Holocaust Research"
One of the problems with destabilization and demoralization eras is that the baby gets thrown out with the bathwater, and extremists use the situation to maximize entryism.
Irving, despite claims of censorship, was invited to many events from Oxford Union to the largest festival of Books in Norway, yet gets butthurt when people debate him and counter his claims. That's why I hate whenever these guys are deplatformed. Their bullshit is usually exterminated faster than a Polish Village after an Einsatzgruppen Death Squad shows up whenever they debate somebody familiar with WW2 and the Holocaust.
It's important to listen to extremes, but it's also important to realize they aren't correct just because they oppose the general census, either. Some folks simply love dissent, and many flop from one extreme to the other but never to anywhere near the middle.
Any many social truths are truths. The old truth that Sexual Licentiousness was a tool of control was mocked as Old Biddy Myth. It sure seems true since the Sexual Revolution that a great many people become total slaves to their genitals when their Lust is unbounded by any social controls. Or at least repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot over valueing the pursuit of sexual/romantic interest(s).
Want to know, at least in part, what ACTUALLY happened in WWII? Listen to David Irving. The only people worth listening to are banned, and not all banned people are worth listening to either. Alex Jones is banned, he's worthless.
No thanks, hahaha. I know his schtick.
Back in the 70s, he supported the EU and said Der Juden were against the EU since Jews were suspicious of a "Master Race" arising from a united Europe. Decades later, "Corbyn is a very fine man" in reaction to his anti-Israel stances. He was anti-semitic long before he began his "Holocaust Research"
One of the problems with destabilization and demoralization eras is that the baby gets thrown out with the bathwater, and extremists use the situation to maximize entryism.
Irving, despite claims of censorship, was invited to many events from Oxford Union to the largest festival of Books in Norway, yet gets butthurt when people debate him and counter his claims. That's why I hate whenever these guys are deplatformed. Their bullshit is usually exterminated faster than a Polish Village after an Einsatzgruppen Death Squad shows up whenever they debate somebody familiar with WW2 and the Holocaust.
It's important to listen to extremes, but it's also important to realize they aren't correct just because they oppose the general census, either. Some folks simply love dissent, and many flop from one extreme to the other but never to anywhere near the middle.
Any many social truths are truths. The old truth that Sexual Licentiousness was a tool of control was mocked as Old Biddy Myth. It sure seems true since the Sexual Revolution that a great many people become total slaves to their genitals when their Lust is unbounded by any social controls. Or at least repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot over valueing the pursuit of sexual/romantic interest(s).
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richwicks
2023 Jun 9, 2:45pm
richwicks
2023 Jun 9, 2:45pm
AmericanKulak says
His opinions are irrelevant. Besides, I've been down this road too - IS this his opinion? Surely you have him writing this, or saying this on video?
A LOT of lies are told about David Irving, to smear him.
I don't give the slightest damn about if he's anti-Semitic or not either. I only care if he's correct or not and he does have an awful lot of evidence he's correct.
There are so many stupid lies about WWII. It's just atrocity propaganda. there's one story I saw recently going around about a woman holocaust survivor whose hands were cut off and swapped, left to right, right to left, and surgically reattached. Sounds very shocking, until you do a little learning about anatomy... There's SO many hoaxes about WWII. Jewish skin lampshades, soap made from Jewish bodies. Some lady claimed she went to a gas chamber 3 times, and got VERY lucky because they ran out of gas. cause you know, no other way to kill them or something. What's diesel exhaust? Knives and bullets don't exist or something. Just the stupidity.
There was certainly a holocaust, but it isn't as large in scope, it affected more peoples than just "the Jews", and there are countless false stories. It's hard to separate truth from fiction at this point.
AmericanKulak says
A DEBATE has no value. That's just 2 assholes trying to "win" an argument. Have a discussion instead.
A skilled debater can win even when they are entirely wrong. I've seen Kent Hovind (creationist) wipe out a physicist before. You know how this is done? Hovind would just make a ton of claims "(insert famous name here) found proof of X!" in his few minutes that the physicist never heard of, and the audience believed, but the claims weren't true. They physicist wouldn't have time to address all the claims, or even think about them, so it was perceived Hovind won.
My experience is that only lies are protected with censorship, not the truth. Truth doesn't need any protection.
AmericanKulak says
It's pretty simple - if you're not allowed to discuss it, it's because you're over the target. Every time. Rachael Maddow can lie all day long and never worry about losing her job or even acknowledge her "mistake", because that's her job - to lie. But if you're Kerry Mullis, maybe you end up dead. If you're Gary Webb, maybe you end up dead, Robert Malone deplatformed. People are only silenced when they are right, not when they are consistently wrong.
Take for example this asshole:
https://stevepieczenik.com/2021/02/04/feb-4-return-to-the-alex-jones-show/
He is a complete liar. Oh, and look, he still has a youtube channel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdfK6viHjh4
You now who has been banned from Youtube?
https://rumble.com/c/GGreenwald
Glenn Greenwald..
It's EASY to recognize who is telling the truth, when the same methods, same techniques and same tactics are consistently and reliably used over and over again. You're smearing Irving - show direct evidence that he's anti-semitic, in his own words, not claims. If you try to take him out of context, I'll source it, and show you have taken him out of of context, IF you have.
Then again, maybe you haven't taken out of context maybe you haven't smeared him. Let's find out. Let's discuss. You're making a claim, demonstrate it's true.
Back in the 70s, he supported the EU and said Der Juden were against the EU since Jews were suspicious of a "Master Race" arising from a united Europe. Decades later, "Corbyn is a very fine man" in reaction to his anti-Israel stances. He was anti-semitic long before he began his "Holocaust Research"
His opinions are irrelevant. Besides, I've been down this road too - IS this his opinion? Surely you have him writing this, or saying this on video?
A LOT of lies are told about David Irving, to smear him.
I don't give the slightest damn about if he's anti-Semitic or not either. I only care if he's correct or not and he does have an awful lot of evidence he's correct.
There are so many stupid lies about WWII. It's just atrocity propaganda. there's one story I saw recently going around about a woman holocaust survivor whose hands were cut off and swapped, left to right, right to left, and surgically reattached. Sounds very shocking, until you do a little learning about anatomy... There's SO many hoaxes about WWII. Jewish skin lampshades, soap made from Jewish bodies. Some lady claimed she went to a gas chamber 3 times, and got VERY lucky because they ran out of gas. cause you know, no other way to kill them or something. What's diesel exhaust? Knives and bullets don't exist or something. Just the stupidity.
There was certainly a holocaust, but it isn't as large in scope, it affected more peoples than just "the Jews", and there are countless false stories. It's hard to separate truth from fiction at this point.
AmericanKulak says
That's why I hate whenever these guys are deplatformed. Their bullshit is usually exterminated faster than a Polish Village after an Einsatzgruppen Death Squad
A DEBATE has no value. That's just 2 assholes trying to "win" an argument. Have a discussion instead.
A skilled debater can win even when they are entirely wrong. I've seen Kent Hovind (creationist) wipe out a physicist before. You know how this is done? Hovind would just make a ton of claims "(insert famous name here) found proof of X!" in his few minutes that the physicist never heard of, and the audience believed, but the claims weren't true. They physicist wouldn't have time to address all the claims, or even think about them, so it was perceived Hovind won.
My experience is that only lies are protected with censorship, not the truth. Truth doesn't need any protection.
AmericanKulak says
It's important to listen to extremes, but it's also important to realize they aren't correct just because they oppose the general census, either.
It's pretty simple - if you're not allowed to discuss it, it's because you're over the target. Every time. Rachael Maddow can lie all day long and never worry about losing her job or even acknowledge her "mistake", because that's her job - to lie. But if you're Kerry Mullis, maybe you end up dead. If you're Gary Webb, maybe you end up dead, Robert Malone deplatformed. People are only silenced when they are right, not when they are consistently wrong.
Take for example this asshole:
https://stevepieczenik.com/2021/02/04/feb-4-return-to-the-alex-jones-show/
He is a complete liar. Oh, and look, he still has a youtube channel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdfK6viHjh4
You now who has been banned from Youtube?
https://rumble.com/c/GGreenwald
Glenn Greenwald..
It's EASY to recognize who is telling the truth, when the same methods, same techniques and same tactics are consistently and reliably used over and over again. You're smearing Irving - show direct evidence that he's anti-semitic, in his own words, not claims. If you try to take him out of context, I'll source it, and show you have taken him out of of context, IF you have.
Then again, maybe you haven't taken out of context maybe you haven't smeared him. Let's find out. Let's discuss. You're making a claim, demonstrate it's true.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Jun 9, 3:04pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Jun 9, 3:04pm
richwicks says
They CLAIM they're not allowed to discuss it. But the internet is big, and venues on and off it are many. Irving has a bad track record when questioned, and now he simply doesn't engage in forums (except lecturing to his followers) despite many invitations, while claiming he's censored.
Sometimes it's just a moron and their humbugs and feelings.
richwicks says
Many cranks claim to be totally censored - and they might be in some places and some times, but not all of them - the real reason is they get their clock cleaned when their claims are held up to scrutiny. So they pretend to be truth martyrs. Seen this over my life for decades on many subjects.
To me, the stamp of proof is when the System aggressively goes after you from every angle. The system leaves many cranks alone because it wants them to exist or is behind them in order to create the impression that Our Funding Against Alt Right Dangerous Badness is desperately needed.
That's why Jones, Bannon, etc. are the real deal. They pay a real price, and if you apply your own reasoning, you'd agree they're genuine.
I know the real reason why the Dawsons and Greenes "don't like" Alex Jones or Owen Shoyer. He doesn't share their special Humbug. Why would I expect Iranian or CCP backed media to have their sheepdipped "Daring Independent Content Creators" who do nothing but link back to Iranian State TV, Iranian backed Foundations, etc. like Bannon?
Most Internet nobodies are nobodies.
Not every unknown band is great, many times a band is unknown for good reason - they suck.
It's pretty simple - if you're not allowed to discuss it, it's because you're over the target
They CLAIM they're not allowed to discuss it. But the internet is big, and venues on and off it are many. Irving has a bad track record when questioned, and now he simply doesn't engage in forums (except lecturing to his followers) despite many invitations, while claiming he's censored.
Sometimes it's just a moron and their humbugs and feelings.
richwicks says
My experience is that only lies are protected with censorship, not the truth. Truth doesn't need any protection.
Many cranks claim to be totally censored - and they might be in some places and some times, but not all of them - the real reason is they get their clock cleaned when their claims are held up to scrutiny. So they pretend to be truth martyrs. Seen this over my life for decades on many subjects.
To me, the stamp of proof is when the System aggressively goes after you from every angle. The system leaves many cranks alone because it wants them to exist or is behind them in order to create the impression that Our Funding Against Alt Right Dangerous Badness is desperately needed.
That's why Jones, Bannon, etc. are the real deal. They pay a real price, and if you apply your own reasoning, you'd agree they're genuine.
I know the real reason why the Dawsons and Greenes "don't like" Alex Jones or Owen Shoyer. He doesn't share their special Humbug. Why would I expect Iranian or CCP backed media to have their sheepdipped "Daring Independent Content Creators" who do nothing but link back to Iranian State TV, Iranian backed Foundations, etc. like Bannon?
Most Internet nobodies are nobodies.
Not every unknown band is great, many times a band is unknown for good reason - they suck.
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richwicks
2023 Jun 9, 3:13pm
richwicks
2023 Jun 9, 3:13pm
AmericanKulak says
I can see people being censored in real time. Every single person I followed for information 10 years ago has been kicked off YouTube and Facebook, a FEW are back on Twitter, and they are self censoring themselves now.
These people have reasonably good track records, they're VERY good at pointing out what the "news" media is lying about when they are doing it.
It's easy for me to recognize lies now at this point, because I stopped watching fiction years ago. I know this seems odd to say, but I can spot an actor acting pretty quickly now because I only pay attention to real people. The most insidious thing about television and film is that it acclimates people to acting as being "authentic".
Again, you claimed Irving was "anti-Semitic" - can you show this not by what people CLAIM he has said, but by what he's said? I've seen Ron Paul be called "racist" for years. The "anti-Semitic" card is used in the same way. I have seen this done ALL the time. The left learned from the Zionists how to shut down criticism when they were acting like hypocrites. I've directly dealt with GIYUS - I know what they are like. I know precisely what they are like. They are ENTIRELY unprincipled.
Antifa will call you a fascist, a racist, a bigot, a person that wants to kill - ALL SORTS of smears, they will try to get you fired, ruin your reputation, attack you in ANY way possible, honest or dishonest it doesn't matter. That's exactly what GIYUS and Zionists in general are like. They are complete bullies, they will try to intimidate you, they will even physically attack you. They want to shut you up, they don't even want to entertain MAYBE what they are doing is gravely immoral.
richwicks says
My experience is that only lies are protected with censorship, not the truth. Truth doesn't need any protection.
Many cranks claim to be totally censored - and they might be in some places and some times, but not all of them - the real reason is they get their clock cleaned when their claims are held up to scrutiny. So they pretend to be truth martyrs. Seen this over my life for decades on many subjects.
I can see people being censored in real time. Every single person I followed for information 10 years ago has been kicked off YouTube and Facebook, a FEW are back on Twitter, and they are self censoring themselves now.
These people have reasonably good track records, they're VERY good at pointing out what the "news" media is lying about when they are doing it.
It's easy for me to recognize lies now at this point, because I stopped watching fiction years ago. I know this seems odd to say, but I can spot an actor acting pretty quickly now because I only pay attention to real people. The most insidious thing about television and film is that it acclimates people to acting as being "authentic".
Again, you claimed Irving was "anti-Semitic" - can you show this not by what people CLAIM he has said, but by what he's said? I've seen Ron Paul be called "racist" for years. The "anti-Semitic" card is used in the same way. I have seen this done ALL the time. The left learned from the Zionists how to shut down criticism when they were acting like hypocrites. I've directly dealt with GIYUS - I know what they are like. I know precisely what they are like. They are ENTIRELY unprincipled.
Antifa will call you a fascist, a racist, a bigot, a person that wants to kill - ALL SORTS of smears, they will try to get you fired, ruin your reputation, attack you in ANY way possible, honest or dishonest it doesn't matter. That's exactly what GIYUS and Zionists in general are like. They are complete bullies, they will try to intimidate you, they will even physically attack you. They want to shut you up, they don't even want to entertain MAYBE what they are doing is gravely immoral.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Jun 9, 3:37pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Jun 9, 3:37pm
richwicks says
I do treasure cranks and contrarians, but only to a degree. Contrarians often are as married to their hypothesis (and attracted to outlying explanations generally) emotionally as the "Sheeple" they claim to want to rescue.
I don't have time or desire to deeply examine every single controversial figure in the world, at some point, I have to leave somethings to a synopsis by others or I'd never get anything done or have time for anything enjoyable in life.
I did enjoy reading this article, and came away with a rather sypathetic figure of Irving as a lovable crank.
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/david-irving-hitler-wasnt-anti-semitic-and-the-holocaust-wasnt-his-fault/28462548.html
And of course Irving famously lost a lawsuit against an author who labelled him a Holocaust Denier, meaning - before these woke days - found that label to be justified by the preponderance of evidence. Keep in mind Irving filed the lawsuit as plaintiff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsLW7VrOpA8
If you can show extraordinary evidence that Irving isn't a lifelong Hitler Apologist and Anti-Semite, I'd be happy to listen. Note that his Judenhass (anti-semitism is a santized neologism, I prefer the original term) is pretty well documented. His very first noted book was "Wah, Dresden, but I don't mention the terror bombing of Poland by the Luftwaffe in 1939"
Irving is free to publish, sell, debate, etc. in the USA and elsewhere. Central Europeans have a deep seated love of deferense to administrative authority that always gets them in trouble. Sadly, this Central European Admin/Academic mentality arrived in the US after WW2 and is now dominant.
richwicks says
All Liberation Groups behave that way. Zionism isn't much different than the IRA or Basques or the PLO in that respect. British Loyalists were hanged by Washington. The same KGB that produced Yuri Bezmenov who explained subversion and other techniques also trained many "Little Farm" and "Planation" operatives, including Agent Aref.
Again, you claimed Irving was "anti-Semitic" - can you show this not by what people CLAIM he has said, but by what he's said?
I do treasure cranks and contrarians, but only to a degree. Contrarians often are as married to their hypothesis (and attracted to outlying explanations generally) emotionally as the "Sheeple" they claim to want to rescue.
I don't have time or desire to deeply examine every single controversial figure in the world, at some point, I have to leave somethings to a synopsis by others or I'd never get anything done or have time for anything enjoyable in life.
I did enjoy reading this article, and came away with a rather sypathetic figure of Irving as a lovable crank.
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/david-irving-hitler-wasnt-anti-semitic-and-the-holocaust-wasnt-his-fault/28462548.html
And of course Irving famously lost a lawsuit against an author who labelled him a Holocaust Denier, meaning - before these woke days - found that label to be justified by the preponderance of evidence. Keep in mind Irving filed the lawsuit as plaintiff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsLW7VrOpA8
If you can show extraordinary evidence that Irving isn't a lifelong Hitler Apologist and Anti-Semite, I'd be happy to listen. Note that his Judenhass (anti-semitism is a santized neologism, I prefer the original term) is pretty well documented. His very first noted book was "Wah, Dresden, but I don't mention the terror bombing of Poland by the Luftwaffe in 1939"
Irving is free to publish, sell, debate, etc. in the USA and elsewhere. Central Europeans have a deep seated love of deferense to administrative authority that always gets them in trouble. Sadly, this Central European Admin/Academic mentality arrived in the US after WW2 and is now dominant.
richwicks says
That's exactly what GIYUS and Zionists in general are like. They are complete bullies, they will try to intimidate you, they will even physically attack you. They want to shut you up, they don't even want to entertain MAYBE what they are doing is gravely immoral.
All Liberation Groups behave that way. Zionism isn't much different than the IRA or Basques or the PLO in that respect. British Loyalists were hanged by Washington. The same KGB that produced Yuri Bezmenov who explained subversion and other techniques also trained many "Little Farm" and "Planation" operatives, including Agent Aref.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Jun 9, 4:06pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Jun 9, 4:06pm
richwicks says
one would expect a layperson to describe Carbon Monoxide as "Diesel Exhaust", and not in a strict engineering/formal way.
https://remember.org/History.root.rev.html
What's diesel exhaust?
one would expect a layperson to describe Carbon Monoxide as "Diesel Exhaust", and not in a strict engineering/formal way.
2.16: Fumes from a diesel engine are not toxic enough to kill people.
(This claim is made with regard to the death camp of Treblinka – see file with ruling of German courts on this. In other death camps, gasoline engines were used. The method of killing was simple – people were crammed into the gas chambers, and the exhaust of powerful engines was pumped into them).
Nonsense. In a closed chamber, of course diesel fumes will kill. There was actually a study on this, and its results are reported in “The Toxicity of Fumes from a Diesel Engine Under Four Different Running Conditions”, by Pattle et al., British Journal of Industrial Medicine, 1957, Vol 14, p. 47-55. These researchers ran a few experiments in which various animals were exposed to diesel fumes, and studied the results.
In the experiments, the exhaust of a small diesel engine (568 cc, 6 BHP) was connected to a chamber 10 cubic meters (340 cubic feet) in volume, and the animals were put inside it. In all cases, the animals died. Death was swifter when the intake of air to the engine was restricted, as this causes a large increase in the amount of carbon monoxide (CO) that is emitted. (See, for instance, “diesel Engine Reference Book”, by Lilly, 1985, p. 18/8, where it is stated that at a high air/fuel ratio the concentration of CO is only a few parts per million but for lower ratios (25:1) the concentration of CO can rise up to 3,000 ppm. It is very easy to restrict the air intake; the British researchers did so by partially covering the air intake opening with a piece of metal.)
Even in cases where the CO output was low, the animals still died from other toxic components – mainly irritants and nitrogen dioxide.
Now, the diesel engines used in Treblinka were much larger – they belonged to captured Soviet T-34 tanks. These tanks weighed 26-31 tons (depending on the model) and had a 500 BHP engine (compared to a mere 6 BHP in the British experiments). The volume of the extermination chambers in Treblinka is, of course, a factor. But the chambers’ volume was about 60 cubic meters (2040 cubic feet); this is 6 times more than those in the British experiments, but the difference in the size of the engines is much larger than a factor of 6.
It should be remembered that what matters in CO poisoning is not the concentration of CO, but the ratio of CO to oxygen. In a small room, crammed full of people, oxygen levels drop quickly, thus making death by CO poisoning faster. As noted, other toxic components in the fumes further accelerate mortality.
The SS was aware of the fact that cramming as many people as possible into the gas chamber, thus leaving no empty spaces, would accelerate mortality. This is evident, for instance, from a letter regarding “gassing vans” (used in the Chelmno extermination camp and other locations) sent to SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Walter Rauff, 5 June 1942. The letter is quite long (more of it is reproduced in the file of original Nazi documents), but here is the relevant part (Nazism, document 913).
“2) The vans are normally loaded with 9-10 people per square meter. With the large Saurer special vans this is not possible because although they do not become overloaded their maneuverability is much impaired. A reduction in the load area appears desirable. It can be achieved by reducing the size of the van by c. 1 meter. The difficulty referred to cannot be overcome by reducing the size of the load. For a reduction in the numbers will necessitate longer period of operation because the free spaces will have to be filled with CO. By contrast, a smaller load area which is completely full requires a much shorter period of operation since there are no free spaces.”
Another gruesome testimony to the “science of gassing” developed by the SS is the letter from Dr August Becker to SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer Rauff, 16 May 1942 (Nazi Conspiracy, 418)
“The application of the gas is not undertaken correctly. In order to come to an end as fast as possible, the driver presses the accelerator to the fullest extent. By doing that the persons to be executed suffer death from suffocation and not death by dozing off as was planned. My directions have now proved that by correct adjustment of the levers death comes faster and the prisoners fall asleep peacefully. Distorted faces and excretions, such as could be seen before, are no longer noticed”.
https://remember.org/History.root.rev.html
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richwicks
2023 Jun 9, 4:16pm
richwicks
2023 Jun 9, 4:16pm
AmericanKulak says
I'm not going to beg you to listen to him, I don't care.
You know as well as I do you can't prove a negative.
I was wondering what basis you had for calling Irving an anti-Semite, thinking you wouldn't be able to. Even if he WAS anti-Semitic, the man is smart enough to steer clear of saying anything along the lines, the man isn't an idiot.
AmericanKulak says
Really?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDshjLccIHG
Oh, it's been deleted..
It doesn't matter, people make copies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2uzsUxafwo
I have copies, but I don't bother to re-upload to youtube. Anything I listen to I have a tendency to make a copy of, JUST to find out what is removed.
AmericanKulak says
NO they don't. I can shit on the PLO or IRA all day, and I might get disagreement, but I don't get threatened, I don't get 50 people showing up within a matter of a 1/2 hour to scream at me. I do with GIYUS.
You have ANY idea how difficult it is to discuss ANYTHING regarding Israel? Like when Rachael Corrie was killed I was on some board, discussing it along with my cousin and few other random people. We were just discussing what we thought had happened, and then 50 fuckers showed up with constant obscenities, noise, accusations - it made continuing impossible.
They do this ALL THE TIME. GIYUS is nothing more than an Israeli government program to prevent ANY criticism of Israel, no matter WHAT they do.
Happy USS Liberty day - by the way, it was yesterday.
If you can show extraordinary evidence that Irving isn't a lifelong Hitler Apologist and Anti-Semite, I'd be happy to listen.
I'm not going to beg you to listen to him, I don't care.
You know as well as I do you can't prove a negative.
I was wondering what basis you had for calling Irving an anti-Semite, thinking you wouldn't be able to. Even if he WAS anti-Semitic, the man is smart enough to steer clear of saying anything along the lines, the man isn't an idiot.
AmericanKulak says
Irving is free to publish, sell, debate, etc. in the USA and elsewhere.
Really?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDshjLccIHG
Oh, it's been deleted..
It doesn't matter, people make copies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2uzsUxafwo
I have copies, but I don't bother to re-upload to youtube. Anything I listen to I have a tendency to make a copy of, JUST to find out what is removed.
AmericanKulak says
All Liberation Groups behave that way.
NO they don't. I can shit on the PLO or IRA all day, and I might get disagreement, but I don't get threatened, I don't get 50 people showing up within a matter of a 1/2 hour to scream at me. I do with GIYUS.
You have ANY idea how difficult it is to discuss ANYTHING regarding Israel? Like when Rachael Corrie was killed I was on some board, discussing it along with my cousin and few other random people. We were just discussing what we thought had happened, and then 50 fuckers showed up with constant obscenities, noise, accusations - it made continuing impossible.
They do this ALL THE TIME. GIYUS is nothing more than an Israeli government program to prevent ANY criticism of Israel, no matter WHAT they do.
Happy USS Liberty day - by the way, it was yesterday.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Jun 9, 4:49pm
Yes, but I need to be arsed to discover more. The old "Muh Hitler dindu nuffin wrong" has been debunked countless times. To be arsed, I need to see evidence to make me go look again.
Irving himself has shown to add quite a bit to primary history, and add details that didn't exist to them. For example, the badge removal during the Beer Hall Pusch Days; Irving completely twisted the original sources to be what it wasn't - Hitler WANTED party members to wear their badges when socialistically terrorizing private property. Irving makes it sound like Hitler punished somebody for behaving like an Antifa rioter. And Irving writes it was Goebells who was shocked by the firing of the party member who removed the badge before Antifa'ing private property, a deli - the primary source has no reference to Goebells being present at all , much less a reaction. The original source makes it clear that because the party member didn't wear the badge during the vandalization and looting, Hitler considered him to be just a criminal not doing it for glorious socialist party reasons and thus expelled.
richwicks says
Let me know when you have evidence, not utterly unbacked speculation of a non-accidental motive. Meanwhile, from the undeniable fact that reparations were paid (twice) by Israel with full apologies for the accident, released radio intercepts, & USN's crash immediately following program to improve message transmission in the 6th (med) Fleet specifically, in the absence of any tangible evidence, we have no reason to believe otherwise.
richwicks says
The USS Liberty was more than a half-century ago, before Disco, before Nixon, before the VCR. Humbug proponents have to go back that far to find an accident that was immediately owned up to and paid for, for which not a shred of evidence of deliberate malfeasance exists, only dark hints and belabored explanations of underhanded motivations.
richwicks says
What college did Rachel Corrie attend?
What is this college famous for in the recent past?
Was she standing up or lying down?
How much ground ahead can you see in a rubble pile while driving a tactor with the scoop down, so as to see a slender person?
What was the area she was blocking set up for demolition?
Was Rachel Corie a humanitarian, or a useful idiot Socialist, the same kind who claim Maduro was duly elected?
Would Rachel Corie likely have been a full BLM/Antifa, TDS suffering and insufferable left-wing goon had she survived?
Have other US Citizens been killed in the area? Veterans pushed off a cruise ship in their wheelchair? American citizens being blown up while eating a pizza? Why don't they get long eulogies and plays and mournful remembrances, but only the Professional Class Socialist Radical College Student?
AmericanKulak
2023 Jun 9, 4:49pm
You know as well as I do you can't prove a negative.
Yes, but I need to be arsed to discover more. The old "Muh Hitler dindu nuffin wrong" has been debunked countless times. To be arsed, I need to see evidence to make me go look again.
Irving himself has shown to add quite a bit to primary history, and add details that didn't exist to them. For example, the badge removal during the Beer Hall Pusch Days; Irving completely twisted the original sources to be what it wasn't - Hitler WANTED party members to wear their badges when socialistically terrorizing private property. Irving makes it sound like Hitler punished somebody for behaving like an Antifa rioter. And Irving writes it was Goebells who was shocked by the firing of the party member who removed the badge before Antifa'ing private property, a deli - the primary source has no reference to Goebells being present at all , much less a reaction. The original source makes it clear that because the party member didn't wear the badge during the vandalization and looting, Hitler considered him to be just a criminal not doing it for glorious socialist party reasons and thus expelled.
richwicks says
Happy USS Liberty day - by the way, it was yesterday.
Let me know when you have evidence, not utterly unbacked speculation of a non-accidental motive. Meanwhile, from the undeniable fact that reparations were paid (twice) by Israel with full apologies for the accident, released radio intercepts, & USN's crash immediately following program to improve message transmission in the 6th (med) Fleet specifically, in the absence of any tangible evidence, we have no reason to believe otherwise.
richwicks says
They do this ALL THE TIME. GIYUS is nothing more than an Israeli government program to prevent ANY criticism of Israel, no matter WHAT they do.
The USS Liberty was more than a half-century ago, before Disco, before Nixon, before the VCR. Humbug proponents have to go back that far to find an accident that was immediately owned up to and paid for, for which not a shred of evidence of deliberate malfeasance exists, only dark hints and belabored explanations of underhanded motivations.
richwicks says
Like when Rachael Corrie
What college did Rachel Corrie attend?
What is this college famous for in the recent past?
Was she standing up or lying down?
How much ground ahead can you see in a rubble pile while driving a tactor with the scoop down, so as to see a slender person?
What was the area she was blocking set up for demolition?
Was Rachel Corie a humanitarian, or a useful idiot Socialist, the same kind who claim Maduro was duly elected?
Would Rachel Corie likely have been a full BLM/Antifa, TDS suffering and insufferable left-wing goon had she survived?
Have other US Citizens been killed in the area? Veterans pushed off a cruise ship in their wheelchair? American citizens being blown up while eating a pizza? Why don't they get long eulogies and plays and mournful remembrances, but only the Professional Class Socialist Radical College Student?
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richwicks
2023 Jun 9, 6:58pm
richwicks
2023 Jun 9, 6:58pm
AmericanKulak says
Don't make a claim you cannot support.
AmericanKulak says
Don't strawman positions. I'm an OLLLD hand at this game.
AmericanKulak says
OK, source?
AmericanKulak says
The motive has been given several times, to draw the US into a war against Egypt by framing Egypt for the attack. Is this true? I don't know, I know there wasn't a Congressional investigation into it, and the survivors were given medals in secret, not publicly.
I think that's a little suspicious..
I remember trying to discuss THIS incidence back in the late 1990's, and fools would march in claiming there WAS a Congressional investigation, but they couldn't give dates, they were just lying about it. Always when you try to discuss Israel, anything they do that might CONCEIVABLY be bad, all these fuckers come in and just make the conversation impossible. This even happened on USENet.
AmericanKulak says
Yeah. So what. The Holocaust was more than 75 years ago, before Israel existd, before Rock and Roll, before Eisenhower, before Civil Rights, before desegregation, before Elvis, before Count Folke Bernadotte was murdered by order of Yitzhak Shamir when he was one of the triumvirate of Lehi. I guess we can just forget about then. Finally!
Let sleeping dogs lie, RIGHT?
OH... I bet you have another standard for that. Hypocrisy abounds.
AmericanKulak says
Same one as Matt Groening, Evergreen State College. Is that supposed to have relevancy? What does it matter what her mindset was, or even her politics were?
AmericanKulak says
I don't know, you can't discuss it, as I've already pointed out. We TRIED to discuss it at the time, but it was broken up by a bunch of asshole propagandists from GIYUS. Israel would lie about the situation, they often do. The only way to know would be with video evidence and considering it was 2003, cameras were hardly as commonplace as they are now.
AmericanKulak says
Who cares? Was she purposely killed or not? Again, we couldn't find out because of GIYUS twats. You aren't allowed to discuss anything Israel does, unless you do it in secret. I'm not kidding either.
Yes, but I need to be arsed to discover more.
Don't make a claim you cannot support.
AmericanKulak says
The old "Muh Hitler dindu nuffin wrong" has been debunked countless times.
Don't strawman positions. I'm an OLLLD hand at this game.
AmericanKulak says
For example, the badge removal during the Beer Hall Pusch Days; Irving completely twisted the original sources to be what it wasn't - Hitler WANTED party members to wear their badges when socialistically terrorizing private property. Irving makes it sound like Hitler punished somebody for behaving like an Antifa rioter.
OK, source?
AmericanKulak says
Let me know when you have evidence, not utterly unbacked speculation of a non-accidental motive.
The motive has been given several times, to draw the US into a war against Egypt by framing Egypt for the attack. Is this true? I don't know, I know there wasn't a Congressional investigation into it, and the survivors were given medals in secret, not publicly.
I think that's a little suspicious..
I remember trying to discuss THIS incidence back in the late 1990's, and fools would march in claiming there WAS a Congressional investigation, but they couldn't give dates, they were just lying about it. Always when you try to discuss Israel, anything they do that might CONCEIVABLY be bad, all these fuckers come in and just make the conversation impossible. This even happened on USENet.
AmericanKulak says
The USS Liberty was more than a half-century ago, before Disco, before Nixon, before the VCR.
Yeah. So what. The Holocaust was more than 75 years ago, before Israel existd, before Rock and Roll, before Eisenhower, before Civil Rights, before desegregation, before Elvis, before Count Folke Bernadotte was murdered by order of Yitzhak Shamir when he was one of the triumvirate of Lehi. I guess we can just forget about then. Finally!
Let sleeping dogs lie, RIGHT?
OH... I bet you have another standard for that. Hypocrisy abounds.
AmericanKulak says
What college did Rachel Corrie attend?
Same one as Matt Groening, Evergreen State College. Is that supposed to have relevancy? What does it matter what her mindset was, or even her politics were?
AmericanKulak says
Was she standing up or lying down?
I don't know, you can't discuss it, as I've already pointed out. We TRIED to discuss it at the time, but it was broken up by a bunch of asshole propagandists from GIYUS. Israel would lie about the situation, they often do. The only way to know would be with video evidence and considering it was 2003, cameras were hardly as commonplace as they are now.
AmericanKulak says
Was Rachel Corie a humanitarian, or a useful idiot Socialist, the same kind who claim Maduro was duly elected?
Who cares? Was she purposely killed or not? Again, we couldn't find out because of GIYUS twats. You aren't allowed to discuss anything Israel does, unless you do it in secret. I'm not kidding either.
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AmericanKulak
2023 Jun 9, 8:58pm
AmericanKulak
2023 Jun 9, 8:58pm
richwicks says
Let's do that : with suspicions of USS Liberty motives, and assertions that Epstein worked for Mossad. Evidence, not speculation. Memos, recordings, etc. like Victoria Nuland's taped phone call re: Ukraine Coup.
From what I've read - including reports from a lecture he gave in Glasgow and some speeches he gave to the National Alliance in the 90s, that's he's anti-semitic. Though I think more of a contrarian who got it in his head young that Britain shouldn't have fought Hitler so he could have had more toys during the WW2 rationing.
richwicks says
Here you go: The content creator compares Irving's claims to the Primary Source Material, and finds Irving added and distorted what was reported, per Evans, who testified for the Defense at Irving vs. Penguin Books. Irving lost, by the way, with the Court deciding it was reasonable to call him a Holocaust Denier.
https://youtu.be/VsLW7VrOpA8?t=39
Walks viewer right through it, and asks the viewer to note the claims being made by Irving, and then compares them to the quotes made by participant of the event in question.
He gives another example of Irving distorting what happened to the Jews in Rome, Kesselring wanting to keep them as laborers, Berlin demanding he send them for "Liquidation".
richwicks says
Fixed. There was a Navy investigation into it, yes? The US accepted the indemnities, yes?
richwicks says
Mmm, I think there's some context differential. We're confusing a friendly fire attack on one ship over an hour with an organized, systemic, multi-year labor/death camp process involving quite a few more people participating somehow as victim or perpetrator.
richwicks says
We know plenty about Rachel Corie. She came from notorious left radical Evergreen College to enter into a country with the express purpose of assisting in anti-government activities, threw herself in front of a tractor, and perished voluntarily. FAFO, though the driver - who in a sniper protected tractor - with less viewable area - did not see her laying down with the bucket in the way. Of course propagandists will insist they were somehow in the driver's mind and somehow know he really saw her laying down among the rubble.
Plays are made about her, posters printed, moaning and groaning on old Indymedia and Technocracy NOW! and of course Electronic Intifada and various muh Odin websites.
Whereas Sbarro Diners or Achille Lauro Tourists did not enter into their activites with the purpose of opposing an overseas government. Yet they get no attention from the same Humanitarians worried about Peace and Evil compared to the Red Buttinsky from Washington State.
Don't make a claim you cannot support.
Let's do that : with suspicions of USS Liberty motives, and assertions that Epstein worked for Mossad. Evidence, not speculation. Memos, recordings, etc. like Victoria Nuland's taped phone call re: Ukraine Coup.
From what I've read - including reports from a lecture he gave in Glasgow and some speeches he gave to the National Alliance in the 90s, that's he's anti-semitic. Though I think more of a contrarian who got it in his head young that Britain shouldn't have fought Hitler so he could have had more toys during the WW2 rationing.
richwicks says
OK, source?
Here you go: The content creator compares Irving's claims to the Primary Source Material, and finds Irving added and distorted what was reported, per Evans, who testified for the Defense at Irving vs. Penguin Books. Irving lost, by the way, with the Court deciding it was reasonable to call him a Holocaust Denier.
https://youtu.be/VsLW7VrOpA8?t=39
Walks viewer right through it, and asks the viewer to note the claims being made by Irving, and then compares them to the quotes made by participant of the event in question.
He gives another example of Irving distorting what happened to the Jews in Rome, Kesselring wanting to keep them as laborers, Berlin demanding he send them for "Liquidation".
richwicks says
The motive has beengivenasserted or speculated upon several times, to draw the US into a war against Egypt by framing Egypt for the attack.
Fixed. There was a Navy investigation into it, yes? The US accepted the indemnities, yes?
richwicks says
Yeah. So what. The Holocaust was more than 75 years ago, before Israel existd, before Rock and Roll, before Eisenhower, before Civil Rights, before desegregation, before Elvis, before Count Folke Bernadotte was murdered by order of Yitzhak Shamir when he was one of the triumvirate of Lehi. I guess we can just forget about then. Finally!
Mmm, I think there's some context differential. We're confusing a friendly fire attack on one ship over an hour with an organized, systemic, multi-year labor/death camp process involving quite a few more people participating somehow as victim or perpetrator.
richwicks says
Who cares? Was she purposely killed or not? Again, we couldn't find out because of GIYUS twats. You aren't allowed to discuss anything Israel does, unless you do it in secret. I'm not kidding either.
We know plenty about Rachel Corie. She came from notorious left radical Evergreen College to enter into a country with the express purpose of assisting in anti-government activities, threw herself in front of a tractor, and perished voluntarily. FAFO, though the driver - who in a sniper protected tractor - with less viewable area - did not see her laying down with the bucket in the way. Of course propagandists will insist they were somehow in the driver's mind and somehow know he really saw her laying down among the rubble.
Plays are made about her, posters printed, moaning and groaning on old Indymedia and Technocracy NOW! and of course Electronic Intifada and various muh Odin websites.
Whereas Sbarro Diners or Achille Lauro Tourists did not enter into their activites with the purpose of opposing an overseas government. Yet they get no attention from the same Humanitarians worried about Peace and Evil compared to the Red Buttinsky from Washington State.
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PeopleUnited
2023 Jun 9, 9:02pm
PeopleUnited
2023 Jun 9, 9:02pm
AmericanKulak says
The globalists system. Romney’s kid, and a bunch of others are also on the take. That’s how the globalists pay their minions.
It's to protect...
(FILL IN THE BLANK)
The globalists system. Romney’s kid, and a bunch of others are also on the take. That’s how the globalists pay their minions.
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clambo
2023 Jun 10, 7:40pm
The most absurd thing is the Presidential Records Act has no crimnal penalty in it.
There's no way they can charge Trump with violating the Espionage Act, which is entirely different.
Edit: Evidently they are trying to pin Espionage Act charges on Trump.
This is absolutely absurd and will not withstand scrutiny.
So, Trump was " selling secrets to our enemies " or similar.
They really are crazy with TDS.
There's no way they can charge Trump with violating the Espionage Act, which is entirely different.
Edit: Evidently they are trying to pin Espionage Act charges on Trump.
This is absolutely absurd and will not withstand scrutiny.
So, Trump was " selling secrets to our enemies " or similar.
They really are crazy with TDS.
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Blue
2023 Jun 10, 7:50pm
clambo says
This is really a dumb move by Biden/DOJ to slow down political opponent while having similar documents with Biden (perhaps Obama/Bush/Clinton etc).
The most absurd thing is the Presidential Records Act has no crimnal penalty in it..
There's no way they can charge Trump with violating the Espionage Act, which is entirely different.
This is really a dumb move by Biden/DOJ to slow down political opponent while having similar documents with Biden (perhaps Obama/Bush/Clinton etc).
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HeadSet
2023 Jun 10, 9:59pm
HeadSet
2023 Jun 10, 9:59pm
Blue says
Yes, and especially bad because Biden was Vice President with no declassification powers.
This is really a dumb move by Biden/DOJ to slow down political opponent while having similar documents with Biden (perhaps Obama/Bush/Clinton etc).
Yes, and especially bad because Biden was Vice President with no declassification powers.
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AD
2023 Jun 11, 12:16am
AD
2023 Jun 11, 12:16am
At least in Miami there is less chance of a jury that will be dominated by Democrats and Wokes.
I would not want to be a dissident or political target of the Democrats tried in a court in New York City, Alexandria, VA, Tallahassee, etc.
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I would not want to be a dissident or political target of the Democrats tried in a court in New York City, Alexandria, VA, Tallahassee, etc.
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RayAmerica
2023 Jun 11, 7:26am
RayAmerica
2023 Jun 11, 7:26am
AmericanKulak says
My fill in the blank answer is the Deep State cabal that is stealing the American citizens blind. I have a lot of respect for Catherine Austin Fitts, who about a year ago conducted an investigation into the government's debt, using CBO official documents and data. To her amazement, she found that, officially, the CBO has over $21 TRILLION "missing and unaccounted for" from their books!
So where do you hide that unimaginable amount of money? In highly secret off shore accounts, where it is then eventually converted to jewels, precious metals, rare art, expensive real estate and even farm land.
It's to protect...
(FILL IN THE BLANK)
My fill in the blank answer is the Deep State cabal that is stealing the American citizens blind. I have a lot of respect for Catherine Austin Fitts, who about a year ago conducted an investigation into the government's debt, using CBO official documents and data. To her amazement, she found that, officially, the CBO has over $21 TRILLION "missing and unaccounted for" from their books!
So where do you hide that unimaginable amount of money? In highly secret off shore accounts, where it is then eventually converted to jewels, precious metals, rare art, expensive real estate and even farm land.
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WookieMan
2023 Jun 11, 10:27am
WookieMan
2023 Jun 11, 10:27am
Is anyone else just getting numb to this shit? There are legit incriminating things from past presidents and others. Nothing happens or rarely happens. And who gives a shit about classified documents? The bigger worry should be about corporate documents and especially those companies with government contracts.
I'm sure Trump has skeletons in the closet, but at this point I think the witch hunt is just a waste of time. Fact is the Dems need to find an actual candidate. Covid is over. I don't think mail in ballots will be as much this time around.
I'm sure Trump has skeletons in the closet, but at this point I think the witch hunt is just a waste of time. Fact is the Dems need to find an actual candidate. Covid is over. I don't think mail in ballots will be as much this time around.
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richwicks
2023 Jun 11, 4:57pm
richwicks
2023 Jun 11, 4:57pm
AmericanKulak says
Oh my fucking god. Here: USS Liberty: https://www.usslibertyveterans.org/
They were there. There was no Congressional investigation, it was covered up. When the US government covers something up, it's because the US government was fucking involved with it.
Epstein and ISRAEL, might be Mossad - I don't know how many freaking intelligence agencies Israel has. Epstein's handler was Ghislaine Maxwell, and he was not a brilliant stock trader. He got his money from Les Wexner, who sold Epstein the NYC mansion he bought (which was previously a school), for $1.00. His long time "girlfriend" was Ghislaine Maxwell, whose father was a spy for Mi6, Mossad, and possibly the KGB - that's Robert Maxwell who after he was murdered, got an Israeli state funeral. The Maxwell family, is a family of spies.
It's like, how much fucking evidence do you want?
It's like Mostly Reader denying that there was a coup in Ukraine just because Victoria Nuland was deciding more than 2 weeks and 4 days before Yanukovych was ousted, I mean, it's not absolute proof, maybe it's just a 1 in a trillion coincidence! I can't wake up a man that pretends to sleep.
Let's do that : with suspicions of USS Liberty motives, and assertions that Epstein worked for Mossad.
Oh my fucking god. Here: USS Liberty: https://www.usslibertyveterans.org/
They were there. There was no Congressional investigation, it was covered up. When the US government covers something up, it's because the US government was fucking involved with it.
Epstein and ISRAEL, might be Mossad - I don't know how many freaking intelligence agencies Israel has. Epstein's handler was Ghislaine Maxwell, and he was not a brilliant stock trader. He got his money from Les Wexner, who sold Epstein the NYC mansion he bought (which was previously a school), for $1.00. His long time "girlfriend" was Ghislaine Maxwell, whose father was a spy for Mi6, Mossad, and possibly the KGB - that's Robert Maxwell who after he was murdered, got an Israeli state funeral. The Maxwell family, is a family of spies.
It's like, how much fucking evidence do you want?
It's like Mostly Reader denying that there was a coup in Ukraine just because Victoria Nuland was deciding more than 2 weeks and 4 days before Yanukovych was ousted, I mean, it's not absolute proof, maybe it's just a 1 in a trillion coincidence! I can't wake up a man that pretends to sleep.
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FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden
2023 Jun 11, 5:46pm
you can’t and you don’t need to. reality eventually wakes people up when illusion can no longer be maintained by curtain pullers.
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PeopleUnited
2023 Jun 11, 8:16pm
PeopleUnited
2023 Jun 11, 8:16pm
WookieMan says
You mean Numb to the TDS that has dominated media and now Biden and other deranged maniac Dems are continuing it by taking it to the next level by weaponizing the government to attack the biggest threat to their power, a populist with more votes than any other sitting president In American history?WookieMan says
Yes, but those people supported the deep state globalists. It seems that to some degree Trump did not.WookieMan says
The witch hunt is to discredit Trump enough with the swing voters that they can push through some milquetoast globalist schill in either the primary or general election.
WookieMan says
The Dems don’t need a candidate, As long as they have a RINO/Trojan horse globalist schill like DeSantis or Chris Christie they win even if they lose.
WookieMan says
There will still be enough ballot harvesting in swing districts to change the outcome of the election. Democrats counting votes, or worse yet, “computers” counting votes, guarantees fraud.
Is anyone else just getting numb to this shit?
You mean Numb to the TDS that has dominated media and now Biden and other deranged maniac Dems are continuing it by taking it to the next level by weaponizing the government to attack the biggest threat to their power, a populist with more votes than any other sitting president In American history?WookieMan says
There are legit incriminating things from past presidents and others.
Yes, but those people supported the deep state globalists. It seems that to some degree Trump did not.WookieMan says
at this point I think the witch hunt is just a waste of time.
The witch hunt is to discredit Trump enough with the swing voters that they can push through some milquetoast globalist schill in either the primary or general election.
WookieMan says
Fact is the Dems need to find an actual candidate
The Dems don’t need a candidate, As long as they have a RINO/Trojan horse globalist schill like DeSantis or Chris Christie they win even if they lose.
WookieMan says
Covid is over. I don't think mail in ballots will be as much this time around.
There will still be enough ballot harvesting in swing districts to change the outcome of the election. Democrats counting votes, or worse yet, “computers” counting votes, guarantees fraud.
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richwicks
2023 Jun 11, 8:48pm
richwicks
2023 Jun 11, 8:48pm
PeopleUnited says
^^^^ THIS ^^^^
People think DeSantis is just great because he put the breaks on the stupid covid policies and ended some bullshit in the culture war.
We're facing a direct confrontation with Russia, a nuclear super power. We are still involved with Yemen, Somalia, and Syria and we're funding Ukraine which is just getting Ukrainians killed.
These wars are bankrupting this nation.
Illegal immigrants are and important issue as well. We have a MAJOR problem with our bureaucracy. If he does nothing with them, nothing important will change.
You might well point out he's ended a lot of this transkids bullshit in Florida. How many kids does this effect? Estimates place the current number of "transkids" at about 0.7% of the population, and Florida isn't that much on extreme liberalism.
Still, I think they will steal the election for the Democrats. Part of the reason they do this is to underscore that we can't vote our way out of this.
The Dems don’t need a candidate, As long as they have a RINO/Trojan horse globalist schill like DeSantis or Chris Christie they win even if they lose.
^^^^ THIS ^^^^
People think DeSantis is just great because he put the breaks on the stupid covid policies and ended some bullshit in the culture war.
We're facing a direct confrontation with Russia, a nuclear super power. We are still involved with Yemen, Somalia, and Syria and we're funding Ukraine which is just getting Ukrainians killed.
These wars are bankrupting this nation.
Illegal immigrants are and important issue as well. We have a MAJOR problem with our bureaucracy. If he does nothing with them, nothing important will change.
You might well point out he's ended a lot of this transkids bullshit in Florida. How many kids does this effect? Estimates place the current number of "transkids" at about 0.7% of the population, and Florida isn't that much on extreme liberalism.
Still, I think they will steal the election for the Democrats. Part of the reason they do this is to underscore that we can't vote our way out of this.
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richwicks
2023 Jun 11, 9:11pm
richwicks
2023 Jun 11, 9:11pm
AmericanKulak says
No specific examples are provided in that video of errors of Irving. The quotes of Richard J. Evans (if they ARE his quotes) are all just ad-hominem. These are 3rd party opinions.
There's no links to primary documents.
I don't want to read 3rd party accounts. My German is terrible, but translators aren't.
I know this is a hurdle to climb, but I'm forever fucking pissed off nobody links to documents. Nobody. I mean, is there not enough room on the Internet?
I'm not so much concerned about who Hitler was either. I'm concerned if Jewish bodies were being turned into soap and lampshades, and if 6 million people were killed in gas chambers. Those are the big lies.
This is the sort of shit I wade through on this subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhCbHZPwEEQ
"Max Blumenthal interviews Holocaust denier David Irving"
Irving isn't a holocaust denier. His position is simply that he cannot find any evidence of actual gas chambers, he can't find any orders to exterminate people in gas chambers. He believes PLENTY of Jews were killed, just there were no gas chamber camps. Why would there be?
If I was a sociopath and I wanted to just kill people, I'd shovel them on a train, and I'd fill the trains with carbon monoxide. They wouldn't even know what was happening. They'd get giddy first, then sleepy, then die. They'd have no idea what was happening to them unless they were experienced with oxygen deprivation. I wouldn't use a CYANIDE POISON. I might just use Nitrogen with no oxygen in the gas. That works just as well. I'm not a chemist, but I think that would be more difficult to do in 1940 something. I suppose you could remove oxygen by burning iron dust. You can burn a brillo pad.
AmericanKulak says
What book? What page? What speech? What video?
Why isn't that information included?
Here you go: The content creator compares Irving's claims to the Primary Source Material, and finds Irving added and distorted what was reported, per Evans, who testified for the Defense at Irving vs. Penguin Books. Irving lost, by the way, with the Court deciding it was reasonable to call him a Holocaust Denier.
https://youtu.be/VsLW7VrOpA8?t=39
No specific examples are provided in that video of errors of Irving. The quotes of Richard J. Evans (if they ARE his quotes) are all just ad-hominem. These are 3rd party opinions.
There's no links to primary documents.
I don't want to read 3rd party accounts. My German is terrible, but translators aren't.
I know this is a hurdle to climb, but I'm forever fucking pissed off nobody links to documents. Nobody. I mean, is there not enough room on the Internet?
I'm not so much concerned about who Hitler was either. I'm concerned if Jewish bodies were being turned into soap and lampshades, and if 6 million people were killed in gas chambers. Those are the big lies.
This is the sort of shit I wade through on this subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhCbHZPwEEQ
"Max Blumenthal interviews Holocaust denier David Irving"
Irving isn't a holocaust denier. His position is simply that he cannot find any evidence of actual gas chambers, he can't find any orders to exterminate people in gas chambers. He believes PLENTY of Jews were killed, just there were no gas chamber camps. Why would there be?
If I was a sociopath and I wanted to just kill people, I'd shovel them on a train, and I'd fill the trains with carbon monoxide. They wouldn't even know what was happening. They'd get giddy first, then sleepy, then die. They'd have no idea what was happening to them unless they were experienced with oxygen deprivation. I wouldn't use a CYANIDE POISON. I might just use Nitrogen with no oxygen in the gas. That works just as well. I'm not a chemist, but I think that would be more difficult to do in 1940 something. I suppose you could remove oxygen by burning iron dust. You can burn a brillo pad.
AmericanKulak says
Walks viewer right through it, and asks the viewer to note the claims being made by Irving, and then compares them to the quotes made by participant of the event in question.
What book? What page? What speech? What video?
Why isn't that information included?
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People close to the investigation said Smith was trying to tie up loose ends before a possible indictment.
NBC News confirmed that a grand jury was meeting in Florida.
"Why prosecutors are using multiple grand juries, and whether they are ready to seek an indictment in either jurisdiction is unknown," the NBC News report noted. "The Justice Department declined to comment on the investigation."
On Monday, attorneys for Trump met with officials at the Department of Justice to argue he should not be indicted.
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