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Shaman says

Imagine a populist movement (both parties!!! Has to be both!) where everyone who subscribed to this doctrine of term limits agrees NOT to vote for the person who has “termed out.”

@Shaman I like this!

We need to publish a voter guide that explicitly points out who has been in DC more than 2 terms.

It could be done...check out this site...I think term limits have to be done at a local level, state than national to get things in check.
https://conventionofstates.com/

I also think it is easier to get 2/3 of the state legislatures to do an amendment than the federal legislative branch....https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitution#:~:text=The%20Constitution%20provides%20that%20an,thirds%20of%20the%20State%20legislatures.

Ok so there’s a path, but it’s a path that goes straight through the weeds, all the power structure, entrenched politicians and big money interests... basically it’s never happened and will never happen.

Meanwhile, the grand majority of people want term limits. All I’m saying is that we can make this happen simply by warning the parties before the next primaries that termed out Congress people won’t be getting our votes. That gives them time to get it right. Some might if the movement got enough traction. Others would ignore and some of them would lose. The parties would take notice and the next election would include far fewer termed out politicians.
It could be a de facto thing. And eventually it could become a law.

Won't happen, but a more powerful 3rd party that could grab 20% on average in every state would by default eliminate career politicians in the same seat, house or senate. Sure there would still be some seats that are locks for one person, but it would greatly reduce the number of these fucking leeches.

Agree with the methodology of making this an informed voter agreement/pact and not a law. As every so often a rep/senator comes along that has the constitution primarily in mind, and you would want to keep that individual working as long as they represent you or your state effectively and don’t kowtow to paid interests and other bullies. One such individual I am referring to is Rand Paul, I’m sure there are a few others that fit this description as well though.

ForcedTQ says

One such individual I am referring to is Rand Paul,

I thought of him as an exception as well. Maybe Josh Hawley though he’s newish.

Shaman says

ForcedTQ says

One such individual I am referring to is Rand Paul,

I thought of him as an exception as well. Maybe Josh Hawley though he’s newish.

You are hitting on the reason there will be no term limits. Just like you think Rand Paul should be an exception, the loonie left thinks Nancy Pelosi and John Lewis should be exceptions.

HeadSet says

You are hitting on the reason there will be no term limits. Just like you think Rand Paul should be an exception, the loonie left thinks Nancy Pelosi and John Lewis should be exceptions.

In addition not voting for the better candidate just because they have been in office for too long will allow the worse candidate to gain power.

So we don’t need term limits?

Shaman says

So we don’t need term limits?

We do. But it won't happen. It would be easier to throw Hillary in jail for her crimes against humanity.

Shaman says

Congress is the only body which can create such a law...

Untrue.

It's going to take a Constitutional amendment and there are two ways to do that. Article 5 goes around Congress

We have term limits in CA. Is it less of a shitshow?

Eric Holder says

We have term limits in CA. Is it less of a shitshow?

Word

Eric Holder says

We have term limits in CA. Is it less of a shitshow?

We do?

Seriously - I live in this shithole, can you cite a source?

I've looked this up, I think you've made an error.

Eric Holder says

We have term limits in CA. Is it less of a shitshow?

Last time when I was reading about CA term limits (Santa Clara County) the term limit was increased.

There's two reasons people are in an elected position for decades upon decades.

1) They come from a district that has a disengaged uninformed Voting bloc. The party forces only entices their voter base to participate, when there's a boogey man they are trying to not let win. They call it the most important election in their lifetime. Of course preserving democracy will also mean preserving the party token in that district and reelect him/her/zer.

2) The candidate is a quite able representative for that district and the politician has delivered for his base time and time again. There isn't anyone better in that district that can carry what he does.

In both cases, there's a 99% chance that if they had term limits and couldn't run in the next election. A far worse grifter would be there to fill their shoes.
Just imagine George Soros throwing money at every election where a popular politician that has served for years, can no longer run.
Today there isn't any grooming, to build upon great politician's legacies to have someone pick up the torch and carry on.
Look at DeSantis he squandered his legacy, instead of building a Statewide coalition of strong Conservative candidates to flip Dade, Broward, Jacksonville and Tampa solid Red. He's trying his damndest to dethrone Trump as the King of Old Glory.
I fear when DeSantis' term is over, the person with the most brand recognition to win the next Gov election will be Andrew Gillium, the puking gay party druggie, that he narrowly beat out to win his first term.

Until voters are more engaged, and the current good politicians are doing what it takes to train the next replacements, I say leave it alone. Pulling them out because of some term limit is just dumb.

There should be a moral and cognitive test though. If they can't pass a cognitive test and ethics struggle session scrum. Then they shouldn't be allowed to run.

REpro says

Eric Holder says

We have term limits in CA. Is it less of a shitshow?

Last time when I was reading about CA term limits (Santa Clara County) the term limit was increased.

Used to be max 6 years in the Assembly and max 8 in the Senate. Now it's 12 total no matter where and what combination of terms. Last time I checked 14 was still more than 12, so not increased.

RWSGFY says

REpro says

Eric Holder says

We have term limits in CA. Is it less of a shitshow?

Last time when I was reading about CA term limits (Santa Clara County) the term limit was increased.

Used to be max 6 years in the Assembly and max 8 in the Senate. Now it's 12 total no matter where and what combination of terms. Last time I checked 14 was still more than 12, so not increased.

One of the last lucid conversations I had with my mother she asked me, in front of several extended family members, including young nephews, what I thought about the government. I told her I believe the government is a legalized criminal organization. This was about 3 years ago.

Right now Haiti offers a glimpse into a life without such a "legalized criminal organization" ruling over the free spirits...

RWSGFY says

Right now Haiti offers a glimpse into a life without such a "legalized criminal organization" ruling over the free spirits...

To be fair, you could make that same claim to an East German living under the Stasi. I do not see the US government as a "legalized criminal organization" but as a system that has been hijacked by criminals.

RWSGFY says

Right now Haiti offers a glimpse into a life without such a "legalized criminal organization" ruling over the free spirits...

You mean the country that the Clinton Foundation went into to build homes for, and didn't, and was caught smuggling out children from? Laura Silsby ring any bells?

I think the US is involved with the disaster that is Haiti.

Of course it can be worse, but it can be a lot better as well. Our own government right now DREAMS of making this nation like Haiti, and blind support for this government will make it happen. Resistance stopped the covid bullshit, the Amero may or may not be real, but it's dead, the WHO wasn't able to put the US under treaty to arbitrarily lock down our nation just because they declared a pandemic - this all happened because we still have some freedom of speech.