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B.A.C.A.H. says

The ban was lifted a while ago.

Didn't know. Usually anytime I'm out there recently I'm buying 1-2 items tops and tossing it in a hotel fridge. So I don't need a bag.

My wife saves all ours (and they're free). We have a stinky teenager so he bags his soccer cleats in his backpack so it doesn't transfer the awful smell to his jersey or locker and he gets known as the smelly kid. No joking, he's not allowed to keep his cleats in the house anymore. I'm fine as an adult, but it must be something genetic with stinky feet. Mine used to be bad and I still get sweaty working around the house.

I had it bad. There's a Zappa line in there, but I'm not looking up how to spell the word.

B.A.C.A.H. says

But Gavin probably had paid help for those matters with his kids.

That's the problem with some of these governors. Mine in IL is a billionaire. There's not a chance he took care of his kids. Sure maybe he showed up to games and sat their eating a massive sub sandwich. They're completely disconnect with real life. Not paying for a nanny when my wife and I are completely capable. We could financially. We won't.

As a man my sons and nephew need to see me there. Especially the nephew with sperm donor in prison. Sports, making meals, show them how to make food, travel, etc. Travel was the only thing my dad got right. I think I've been to about 90% of the civil war battle sites. Lived a good part of my life in the FL Panhandle. A lot of memories that were good outside of him yelling at my mom about directions. Oh the days without phones. That was a real treat with that ass hole.

I did get my driving permit hours for the license driving down there. I had memorized the route by 14. So my parents just slept and I drove. One year for my oldest. Time flies isn't a god damn joke. Jesus, my kid is going to be driving a car. Just crashed a 4-wheeler.

Well there goes a couple million. I'll just visit places on the coast or mountain areas. I like my flat land.

There's a cluster fuck EM energy emanating from the earth that causes the hive to bee mob into the most dangerous (and beautiful) areas of Cali. Dangling off of hills and cliffs, on fault lines, in fire disaster areas, building on fill rather than cut, by waterways, overlooking the manifestly erosive Pacific. It's a lite form of the ozone madness preceding hurricanes.

I wouldn't have one of those house danglies on the Cali cliffs by the ocean. In any five to ten year period, you're gonna get fucked and they age four times faster (wind and salt, everything that can rust will rust) than an ordinary inland house. The beach places are constantly being renovated for the rich to playground in. Nonetheless, the prices are outrageous for the exclusivity and show.

One guy on the cliff where I paddle board lost half his back yard to the ocean a couple of years ago. Shored things up but the for sale sign was up within a few months. Some ancient artifacts were found in the landslide. Kids in his yard used to yell at me when I got a wave around there.

All the rip rap and the expensive concrete walls trying to hold back the erosive Pacific are only supposed to last a mere fifteen years or so.

zzyzzx says

That shit is real. I've driven by a few like that after big storms here.

When I first moved to CA, it was the El Nino year and the local creek filled to overflowing with fast muddy water. One day I saw an entire backyard deck float by.

Patrick says

That shit is real. I've driven by a few like that after big storms here.

When I first moved to CA, it was the El Nino year and the local creek filled to overflowing with fast muddy water. One day I saw an entire backyard deck float by.

You have to drive the pilings/steel at least 20' and even that might not be enough if you do it right. Each one is an easy $50k. Probably need 15 on that house. Houses are too close so I'm not sure you can get a crane in there anyway.

I don't get what engineers were thinking. You don't even have to be that close to a cliff to understand what is going to happen, even if you're not an engineer. Problem is people that see this type of stuff will scream global warming.

You built a house or bought a house on a soil cliff. Just because it is temperate with little rain doesn't mean earth doesn't erode at some point. That pool is toast too. So there's another $150k and insurance likely won't cover it or they'll drop you. That's a $2M job all day.

50 years ago when that shack was built it was not "close to the cliff", mwahahahaha.

How much will this increase gas prices? Gas lost will be replaced by bringing in gas from overseas.

Phillips 66 announced Wednesday it will close its 650-acre oil refinery complex near the Port of Los Angeles by the fourth quarter of 2025, days after Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) signed a new law regulating gas storage and refineries.

The refinery in Wilmington, together with a complex in Carson 5 miles away, produces up to 85,000 barrels per day of gasoline and 65,000 barrels per day of distillates, such as diesel.

RC2006 says

How much will this increase gas prices? Gas lost will be replaced by bringing in gas for overseas.

Phillips 66 announced Wednesday it will close its 650-acre oil refinery complex near the Port of Los Angeles by the fourth quarter of 2025, days after Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) signed a new law regulating gas storage and refineries.

The refinery in Wilmington, together with a complex in Carson 5 miles away, produces up to 85,000 barrels per day of gasoline and 65,000 barrels per day of distillates, such as diesel.

Daaaymn! That's gonna hurt.

Patrick says

One day I saw an entire backyard deck float by.

Were the people still in the hot tub?

RC2006 says

How much will this increase gas prices? Gas lost will be replaced by bringing in gas for overseas.

Phillips 66 announced Wednesday it will close its 650-acre oil refinery complex near the Port of Los Angeles by the fourth quarter of 2025, days after Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) signed a new law regulating gas storage and refineries.

The refinery in Wilmington, together with a complex in Carson 5 miles away, produces up to 85,000 barrels per day of gasoline and 65,000 barrels per day of distillates, such as diesel.

Last time they allowed gas from overseas it required relaxing of "specisl formulation" requirement, iirc.

RWSGFY says

50 years ago when that shack was built it was not "close to the cliff", mwahahahaha.

Yes it was. Wasn't engineered properly. You can avoid erosion like that no problem. It's not complicated. But whatever? Look at the house to the North. It's fucked. They didn't do pilings correctly. This is engineering 101. Do it right once.

WookieMan says

You can avoid erosion like that no problem.

I can see you have never met the Pacific Ocean.

I have in many parts of the of the West coast from Seattle to San Diego many of times.

My folks owned a condo on a barrier island in Florida in the panhandle. All it is, is 12' of sand above sea level (if that) and gets hit by up to CAT 4 hurricanes. Still there's no erosion. 1/4 of a mile at widest. It's a sand bar basically.

Kind of weird a place that doesn't get hurricanes wasn't engineered as well as places in FL? If you want to live on water you need to engineer it correctly or plan better when building. Doesn't matter what body of water.

That slide could have been prevented. If you don't have the money to put in proper infrastructure to secure your property, don't live there? That place is uninsurable now without spending millions.

zzyzzx says

Instant infinity pool!!!

WookieMan says

RWSGFY says

50 years ago when that shack was built it was not "close to the cliff", mwahahahaha.

Yes it was. Wasn't engineered properly. You can avoid erosion like that no problem. It's not complicated. But whatever? Look at the house to the North. It's fucked. They didn't do pilings correctly. This is engineering 101. Do it right once.

There are buildings in, say, Pacifica which are front row now but weren't less than 10 years ago. That coastline constantly moves inward.

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Commercial Real Estate Foreclosures Soar By 48% Nationwide While California Sees A 238% Surge

Booger says

zzyzzx says

Instant infinity pool!!!

And the hot tub is now an Indiana Jones themed sled ride to the beach.

Last year, the weather poundings tore the Capitola pier in half, relegated the restaurant at the end to demolition. An old concrete ship around Aptos and its pier have also been destroyed and the concrete ship that was already sunk destroyed even more.

The surf also tore open some of the cutsie multi million dollar Renaissance beach condos wide open in Capitola. Capitola has been seriously flooded and beaten three times since we have been here (14 years) and the restaurant row wrecked. That means, those in the beach culvert close to the ocean have to be funded to rebuild every five years or so.

Those concrete walls cost multi millions to build for short stretches, even more than the houses that perch on them, and they will be returned to the sea sooner or later anyway. I've been watching a small rock peninsula dissolving year by year. It's now a small island broken into thirds.

RWSGFY says

There are buildings in, say, Pacifica which are front row now but weren't less than 10 years ago. That coastline constantly moves inward.

Concrete and steel are a thing. Barrier islands in the panhandle protect their properties with sand dunes. Not foolproof, but their homes don't get washed away into the sea generally with hurricane force winds.

Like I said, if you want to live in that location there are things that you can do to prevent erosion for 100's of years. Costs $$$$. If you cannot afford it don't live there. Plenty of cheaper and better places to live in the country if you're not a wimp and can handle seasons.

Ceffer says

Those concrete walls cost multi millions to build for short stretches, even more than the houses that perch on them, and they will be returned to the sea sooner or later anyway.

That's what I said. There are solutions they just cost a shit load of money. Tons of steel hammered into the ground, rebar and concrete. It's doable, just no one wants to pay for it. And it probably doesn't look as "pretty" for home owners. Guess what, you own what is likely to be an uninsurable house. You're now looking at a worthless asset that will fall into the Ocean and won't get compensated. That $5M home just got flushed down the toilet and you'll need to default or sell for a fraction of what it used to be worth.

Drop the $2-3 million shoring it up. If/when you go to sell it will pay itself back. Uninsurable houses are worthless really. That's why I don't live on water. If I did I'd be above the flood plain or away from areas that could erode like that. I'd rather live on the hill 1/2 mile away. You're not even at your house that much anyway. Between work and sleep, you get maybe what, 2-4 hours to enjoy the view? And if it's a vacation rental, the renters won't even be there that much. It's just not worth it.